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2009-06-24 09:42:05 PM
Dumbest headline ever. For so many reasons.
 
2009-06-24 09:52:43 PM
tonesskin: Dumbest headline ever. For so many reasons.

Agreed. There is undeniably a direct correlation between crime, liberation, and creativity. If that makes you an asshat, I don't want to be a non-asshat.

/also, others'
//pet peeeev
///'hacktivists' is a dumb name
 
2009-06-24 11:25:03 PM
Subby, did teh haxxors make you butthurt?

Seriously, that was a terrible headline.
 
2009-06-25 01:03:06 AM
doglover: Subby, did teh haxxors make you butthurt?

Seriously, that was a terrible headline.


He's probably running a proxy for Ahmadinnerjacket's "jewish gay porn and bacon grease" searches.
 
2009-06-25 01:14:37 AM
welcome to the past
 
2009-06-25 01:16:07 AM
OLD NEWS
 
2009-06-25 01:16:44 AM
tonesskin: Dumbest headline ever. For so many reasons.

yep.
 
2009-06-25 01:25:15 AM
What's wrong with the old name? TotalFarkers
 
2009-06-25 01:25:24 AM
Anothter idiot spewing idiot shiat. I can only assume it is a TotalFarker.
 
2009-06-25 01:28:12 AM
Did any of you winners read the article? no?

The "hacker" in question sounds like a pretty big douchebag. Redirecting people to a site that says:

Obama Sux!!!1111!
Amedinejehad ROX!!!!11!

meh on the headline, but fark that noise.
 
2009-06-25 01:28:22 AM
Fark you subby. From 127.0.0.1 I fart in your general direction.
 
2009-06-25 01:28:55 AM
Headline is for the subby?
 
2009-06-25 01:30:32 AM
Welcome to 1997
 
2009-06-25 01:40:10 AM
img291.imageshack.us
 
2009-06-25 01:46:42 AM
Besides asshativist not being great, I really don't get what is wrong with the headline.

The headline wasn't as much of a criticism of the article as it was the article's headline.

Even the article said this kind of attack had been around so I don't get all the "this is old" hate.

The guy in the article did seem a bit like an asshat.

Hacktivist is weak stick as far as monikers go imho.

//not subby
 
2009-06-25 02:09:39 AM
Yeah, anybody that attacks someone's website is a douche. I've had DoS attacks on a site I was running and it was really annoying. Also I fail to see what is so wrong with the headline. And why did some college's website getting hacked make it to the front page?
 
2009-06-25 02:23:43 AM
"Yeah, anybody that attacks someone's website is a douche. I've had DoS attacks on a site I was running and it was really annoying. Also I fail to see what is so wrong with the headline. And why did some college's website getting hacked make it to the front page?"

What part of NOT news don't you understand?
 
2009-06-25 02:24:48 AM
SeamusFerrell: Also I fail to see what is so wrong with the headline.

The term hacktivist has generally been reserved for the groups of people taking down, say Iranian government propaganda and infrastructure websites, to delay their assaults on their own people, or offer proxy services to allow those individuals to connect to the internet and spread information from behind the informational blacklist.

The entire premise of Project Chanology is 'hacktivism', as they release inter-office leaked Scientology memos and early correspondence on WikiLeaks, or deface the websites of Scientology to promote the dissemination of information which exposes the numerous problems with the church etc.

Illegal activities for certain, but 'asshativists' they are not.
 
2009-06-25 02:43:20 AM
ninjakirby: SeamusFerrell: Also I fail to see what is so wrong with the headline.

The term hacktivist has generally been reserved for the groups of people taking down, say Iranian government propaganda and infrastructure websites, to delay their assaults on their own people, or offer proxy services to allow those individuals to connect to the internet and spread information from behind the informational blacklist.

The entire premise of Project Chanology is 'hacktivism', as they release inter-office leaked Scientology memos and early correspondence on WikiLeaks, or deface the websites of Scientology to promote the dissemination of information which exposes the numerous problems with the church etc.

Illegal activities for certain, but 'asshativists' they are not.


Alright, I get it. An hactivist is a righteous dude because he was doing it in a cause the you believe in. Whereas when someone does the exact same thing for a cause you do not believe in he is a black hat hacker, criminal, and thug.

Really, I am not trolling.
 
2009-06-25 02:48:04 AM
ninjakirby: deface the websites of Scientology

No, this is asshativism. Vandalism is vandalism is vandalism.

Being a pain in the ass to assholes just doesn't seem like it will get them very far.

The Iran stuff is cool, but I suspect most of it is about as helpful as putting magnetic yellow ribbons on your car.

It reminds me of those Seattle protesters who had no idea what they had against the G8 they just found someone with a negative image that would alleviate any guilt for their idiotic behavior.
 
2009-06-25 03:04:50 AM
SeamusFerrell: An hactivist is a righteous dude because he was doing it in a cause the you believe in. Whereas when someone does the exact same thing for a cause you do not believe in he is a black hat hacker, criminal, and thug.

This is not some either/or dichotomy. A 'hacktivist' is a person who hacks as a form of activism.

I think people who throw paint on fur coats are activists, even if throwing paint on peoples close is an asshat thing to do. My value judgment regarding the validity of their actions has nothing to do with it. I was merely noting that the term has achieved notoriety and crept into public language with the above cases, and I haven't heard it being used elsewhere.


Speedbts alt: No, this is asshativism. Vandalism is vandalism is vandalism.

img.visualizeus.com
www.prodigalsonmagazine.com
l.yimg.com
(new window)
 
2009-06-25 03:13:53 AM
I love this headline. Good job subby!

/me is kidding, in case some of you farkers are high right now

here, subby, a gift from the world:

parkerdonat.files.wordpress.com
 
2009-06-25 03:14:03 AM
"Paging Mr. Romero... Mr. Ric Romero, you have a phone call from a ... decade ago"

/the term 'hacktivist' is not exactly new
//old news is old
 
2009-06-25 03:22:23 AM
ninjakirby: SeamusFerrell: An hactivist is a righteous dude because he was doing it in a cause the you believe in. Whereas when someone does the exact same thing for a cause you do not believe in he is a black hat hacker, criminal, and thug.

This is not some either/or dichotomy. A 'hacktivist' is a person who hacks as a form of activism.

I think people who throw paint on fur coats are activists, even if throwing paint on peoples close is an asshat thing to do. My value judgment regarding the validity of their actions has nothing to do with it. I was merely noting that the term has achieved notoriety and crept into public language with the above cases, and I haven't heard it being used elsewhere.


Speedbts alt: No, this is asshativism. Vandalism is vandalism is vandalism.



(new window)


Yeah I will take the bait. Maybe these people who vandalize are talented. But messing with other people's stuff is messing with other people's stuff.
 
2009-06-25 03:25:52 AM
ninjakirby: This is not some either/or dichotomy. A 'hacktivist' is a person who hacks as a form of activism.

The problem is, activism is a term that can be attached to any activity. Not liking someone in your class, and hacking his myspace to cover it in gootse could be called activism, also, because you disagree with his stance on baseball teams or something.

I'm all for freedom of expression, but you can't just trust that everyone who does certain things has noble goals, and you're always going to get people using that excuse.
 
2009-06-25 03:31:35 AM
Speedbts alt: messing with other people's stuff is messing with other people's stuff.

Correct. Defacing websites, or DDoSing servers, or vandalizing property is all illegal. That doesn't make it bad.

farm4.static.flickr.com
"Less social walls, and more street graffities. Graffities are letters and (....), the rest stay at home... Idiots!"



img.dailymail.co.ukwww.toxicocultura.comwww.thismoment.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk
 
2009-06-25 03:44:11 AM
ninjakirby: Speedbts alt: messing with other people's stuff is messing with other people's stuff.

Correct. Defacing websites, or DDoSing servers, or vandalizing property is all illegal. That doesn't make it bad.


"Less social walls, and more street graffities. Graffities are letters and (....), the rest stay at home... Idiots!"


It makes it bad to me if it is defacing someone else's property.

I will grant that without the "art" in your post the backgrounds are nasty and this bad. However two wrongs don't make a right.

Once someone puts their ideas on someone else's property they have committed an act of bullying. Even if it's pretty it is one person forcing all the passer by to listen to them and their ideas.

If you have a talent ask permission. If you think something is an eyesore complain.

Leave other people's shiat alone.
 
2009-06-25 03:45:09 AM
J. Frank Parnell: I'm all for freedom of expression, but you can't just trust that everyone who does certain things has noble goals, and you're always going to get people using that excuse.

So bust em. I'm familiar with graffiti as activism because a friend of mine ran with a few graff artists in LA until he had to call it quits due to 3 strikes fears (he now works as a graphic artist, you've probably seen a shirt or two he's designed). The images I've posted above (primarily from Banksy) are done by people who know they could go to jail for what they do, and do it anyway.

I'm not arguing that 'hackitivsm' isn't a crime, or that people should be automatically given a pass if their cause is considered 'just'. I'm merely refuting what appears to be some posters notions that all forms of this type of activism are automatically 'bad' and should be disregarded as ass-hattery automatically.
 
2009-06-25 03:47:58 AM
Don't misunderstand me. I am only referring to anonymous defacing websites and what not.
 
2009-06-25 03:49:42 AM
Speedbts alt: Once someone puts their ideas on someone else's property they have committed an act of bullying.

farm4.static.flickr.com


"In June 2006, Banksy created an image of a naked man hanging out of a bedroom window on a wall visible from Park Street in central Bristol. The image sparked some controversy, with the Bristol City Council leaving it up to the public to decide whether it should stay or go.After an internet discussion in which 97% (all but 6 people) supported the stencil, the city council decided it would be left on the building."
 
2009-06-25 03:53:00 AM
 
2009-06-25 03:53:27 AM
I think that articles about internet defacement (especially ones that mention a specific example) are only making the problem worse. I don't know if anyone else checks Zone-H defacements ever, but web defacement for political purposes isn't remotely newsworthy. It happens everyday, hundreds of times. The Brazilians mastered it, then moved on to cybercrime, the Russians did it, then moved on to cybercrime, and soon the Turkish and Iranian hackers who currently lead the world in website defacement will learn that their intrusion skills can be used elsewhere.

/follows defacements regularly
//Zone-H Special Defacements Archive for those of you interested
/// if you follow the link, click the "mirror" links to view copies of the defacements
 
2009-06-25 03:58:26 AM
I don't know anything about Park Street in central Bristol, maybe Banksy does. Seems like an internet discussion in Bristol wouldn't really get the true consensus of the citizens but 97% is a high number.

You realize that the city probably couldn't just wash that off. They would have to cover it up. This would look like hell. To me it's like the old story of Congress cutting Teddy Roosevelts defense budget so he sent the Navy on their mission without funding to bring them back, after all what choice did they have?
 
2009-06-25 04:01:27 AM
Calling these script babies hackers is an insult to the real hackers. I'm not talking about phishers or the other douche bags who want your bank account number.
 
2009-06-25 04:07:52 AM
Tyralis: I don't know if anyone else checks Zone-H defacements ever, but web defacement for political purposes isn't remotely newsworthy.

Pretty cool link, I'll check that out, but I don't think anyone is out there calling this 'hacktivism'. Defacement is how a lot of hackers get their 'status', but it's rarely politically motivated.

But you say you follow it, so maybe I'm wrong. Be glad to know more.
 
2009-06-25 04:39:27 AM
Just checking in to see if any of you chuckleheads actually read the article to see the point its making.Here's the short form for those of you who can't read too good.

Government shills can employ the tactics as anarchists.

In this instance the former was the case. Its sad but true.
 
2009-06-25 07:33:31 AM
Put me in the asshativists camp. If you want to spread your message, get your own website! They are amazingly cheap these days. Defacing someone else's site (or physical property), even if you don't agree with their message, is asshattery, plain and simple. Throwing paint on a fur coat that is not yours, even if you really really don't like fur, is asshattery. Stealing an iphone off the dashboard because the window was down, even if you totally don't know the guy, is still thievery.

And, you guys DO know that this is a story about a "hacktivist" that supports the current regime in Iran, right?
 
2009-06-25 08:08:51 AM
what happens when hackers attack DAVE'S server:
http://aley.wordpress.com/

I installed a honeypot in place of his hacker tools and watched him access accounts through my server. Now I am the proud new owner of six of this hackers email accounts, six of his IRC users and 20 IRC channels that he uses to control his zombie army, five blog sites, two Friendster accounts, two Facebook accounts, his entire list of cell phone contacts (thanks bloove.com), and anything else I could find that this little piss owned online.

Hackers: 1
Dave: 54
 
2009-06-25 08:42:53 AM
Here it is as a link...

http://aley.wordpress.com/ (new window)

complete with pictures!!
 
2009-06-25 09:13:30 AM
Hey, I thought it was great when the Valujet website got hacked way back when they had that crash in the Everglades. They had changed their company named to avoid bad publicity and some people were annoyed with it.

ValuJet site hacked, 1997 (new window)

Dammit, I'm starting to feel nostalgia for the old days...
 
2009-06-25 09:15:16 AM
SeamusFerrell: ninjakirby: SeamusFerrell: Also I fail to see what is so wrong with the headline.

The term hacktivist has generally been reserved for the groups of people taking down, say Iranian government propaganda and infrastructure websites, to delay their assaults on their own people, or offer proxy services to allow those individuals to connect to the internet and spread information from behind the informational blacklist.

The entire premise of Project Chanology is 'hacktivism', as they release inter-office leaked Scientology memos and early correspondence on WikiLeaks, or deface the websites of Scientology to promote the dissemination of information which exposes the numerous problems with the church etc.

Illegal activities for certain, but 'asshativists' they are not.

Alright, I get it. An hactivist is a righteous dude because he was doing it in a cause the you believe in. Whereas when someone does the exact same thing for a cause you do not believe in he is a black hat hacker, criminal, and thug.

Really, I am not trolling.



No no no!!! That is the difference between a terrorist and a freedom fighter!
 
2009-06-25 09:41:12 AM
J. Frank Parnell: I'm all for freedom of expression, but...

You maybe had a good point (I didn't read it, because I'm a lazy douchebag), but I just wanted to point out that statements that start this way are typically an indication that your train has left the rails.

"Freedom is great, but <insert reason why freedom is not great>"

It's funny how often I see this construct on the 'tubes. (Note I'm not saying this is what you did, necessarily.)
 
2009-06-25 09:57:51 AM
Mrs. Chomsky: tonesskin: Dumbest headline ever. For so many reasons.

Agreed. There is undeniably a direct correlation between crime, liberation, and creativity. If that makes you an asshat, I don't want to be a non-asshat.

/also, others'
//pet peeeev
///'hacktivists' is a dumb name


No there isn't.

Crime is destructive. It is the opposite of creative. Just because someone is smart doesn't mean they're creative.

You ever see someone that mugs people paint a masterpiece? How about the meth dealers and their widely known craving for gardening?

Just because you like the idea of hacking doesn't mean the people who use it to commit crimes are any better than people who commit crimes in real life.

If you are CREATIVE (as in, use what you know to create things and better the world with new ideas) then you're creative. If you're DESTRUCTIVE (breaking into networks, causing system outages, releasing viruses, etc) you are in no way creative. Just because it takes intelligence doesn't mean it's creative.


Having asked google to define creative for me...

# having the ability or power to create; "a creative imagination"
# promoting construction or creation; "creative work"
 
2009-06-25 10:11:53 AM
Meh. Back in the earliest days of the web I would deface the sites of scammers and spammers. No one would take down a site since most hosting services were start ups and needed the cash. Back in the those days most people didn't know anything about security and it was easy to replace the index.html file. More recently though I have been tracking down the actual physical locations of phishers when I can then reporting them to the bank they are using as a front and either the FBI or INTERPOL depending on where they are. Even caught one bunch using my real domain to send millions of spam emails to sell Canadian pharmaceuticals over the internet. Tracked them down to a TV repair shop in South Florida. Called them up and told them to stop or I would make a visit with police backup. They denied it but the floods of emails stopped. IP tracers, Go Daddy, and whois are your friends. Also reading all the header info in an email helps too but you have to put your mailer agent into raw mode to do it.
 
2009-06-25 10:27:25 AM
Sigh...news. I took a unversity poli-sci course 8 years ago on "Hacktivism and political expression." Not only is this not news, it's been mainstream for almost a decade.

Next week: strange urban youths spray-painting walls for expressive purposes...what WILL it be called?
 
2009-06-25 11:13:59 AM
Fuggin Bizzy: You maybe had a good point (I didn't read it, because I'm a lazy douchebag), but I just wanted to point out that statements that start this way are typically an indication that your train has left the rails.

"Freedom is great, but <insert reason why freedom is not great>"

It's funny how often I see this construct on the 'tubes.


The most common is "no offence, but".

That's not really limited to the 'tubes', though. You might just be noticing it now because it offers a wider sample.
 
2009-06-25 12:04:53 PM
LavenderWolf: Mrs. Chomsky: tonesskin: Dumbest headline ever. For so many reasons.

Agreed. There is undeniably a direct correlation between crime, liberation, and creativity. If that makes you an asshat, I don't want to be a non-asshat.

/also, others'
//pet peeeev
///'hacktivists' is a dumb name

No there isn't.

Crime is destructive. It is the opposite of creative. Just because someone is smart doesn't mean they're creative.

You ever see someone that mugs people paint a masterpiece? How about the meth dealers and their widely known craving for gardening?

Just because you like the idea of hacking doesn't mean the people who use it to commit crimes are any better than people who commit crimes in real life.

If you are CREATIVE (as in, use what you know to create things and better the world with new ideas) then you're creative. If you're DESTRUCTIVE (breaking into networks, causing system outages, releasing viruses, etc) you are in no way creative. Just because it takes intelligence doesn't mean it's creative.


Having asked google to define creative for me...

# having the ability or power to create; "a creative imagination"
# promoting construction or creation; "creative work"


because every law should always be followed, always. No exceptions, right?

crime = breaking the law. I'm not advocating stealing cars, but there are crimes that shouldn't be crimes.

Being a law-abiding citizen has nothing to do with being a good citizen. It just means not pissing off the cops.
 
2009-06-25 01:13:57 PM
With so much at stake in Iran right now, I can imagine people there regarding "hacktivism" as an acceptable weapon.
 
2009-06-25 01:20:24 PM
Dear Journalists everywhere, please stop making up words and I'll stop laughing at your unemployed ass's as your industry falls apart.
 
2009-06-25 01:27:12 PM
Speedbts alt: Besides asshativist not being great, I really don't get what is wrong with the headline.

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
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