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(Chicago Sun-Times)   Roger Ebert: "I am not interested in discussing Bill O'Reilly's politics here. That would open a hornet's nest. I am more concerned about the danger he and others like him represent to a civil and peaceful society"   (blogs.suntimes.com) divider line 551
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2009-06-21 01:23:35 PM  
SpeshilEdjukashin: Again with the insults, and again with the inability to cite your sources...

Again with ignoring the point. I didn't say you had to be an idiot. You could be willingly blind too. Everyone that is still a Republican is willingly blind. And it's funny when you're calling me to cite sources when you haven't cited a goddamn thing. But, just because this only took a couple of seconds:

The well-cited Wikipedia article.

Knoxville news

Adkisson targeted the church, Still wrote in the document obtained by WBIR-TV, Channel 10, "because of its liberal teachings and his belief that all liberals should be killed because they were ruining the country, and that he felt that the Democrats had tied his country's hands in the war on terror and they had ruined every institution in America with the aid of media outlets."

Inside the house, officers found "Liberalism is a Mental Health Disorder" by radio talk show host Michael Savage, "Let Freedom Ring" by talk show host Sean Hannity, and "The O'Reilly Factor," by television talk show host Bill O'Reilly.
 
2009-06-21 01:25:16 PM  
SpeshilEdjukashin: GAT_00: SpeshilEdjukashin: More than the average person, I assure you. Do you have a valid point to make, or were you just trying to insult me?

The point I think he was trying to make is that if you do read the news a lot, you'd have to either be an idiot or be willingly blind to the violent rhetoric of your own party to think the violence is equally distributed among the right and left, instead of being almost wholly a bastion of the right.

Again with the insults, and again with the inability to cite your sources...

Weaver95: I merely suggest that you might want to expand your news searchs to something OTHER than fox news and freerepublic.com.

I get news from sources around the world. And the only time I ever even hear about freerepublic.com much less end up there, is when the libs here at Fark whine about them. I pay less attention to them then I do to DailyKOS, and I hate DailyKOS.

But again, try the guilt by association thing. A few right-wing nuts have a website, therefore all conservatives must be nuts, right? (I won't bother dragging out the list of left-wing nut websites to try to discredit you - I'm above that.)


There have been a number of O'Reily shows linked in numerous threads that show his hatred of Tiller. Go check them out. They are spread out over about 6 years though. They were well written about in the Tiller threads when it happened, and you can YouTube the clips by typing in "Bill O'Reily George Tiller."

That is just a single example. What about the Holocaust museum shooting? Hard right-winger. Oklahoma City? Right winder. The church shooting mentioned above? Right winger. Malvo? Right winger.

I find it very hard to believe that you get your news from "all over the world." I heard about all these things on BBC first. CNN covered them, as did MSNBC, USA Today, Reuters and others. The only place that didn't mention the connections to the right wing of American politics is Fox. Either you skip to the sports section or you're lying.
 
2009-06-21 01:25:58 PM  
SpeshilEdjukashin: And how exactly am I intolerant? You know what, I'm not

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2009-06-21 01:27:33 PM  
SpeshilEdjukashin: You're doing on the Internet, exactly what Ebert was complaining O'Reilly does on television. You do realize that, right? Ok.

Not exactly. He isn't talking over you. He isn't shouting you down and preventing you from saying your piece. You can still type and post whatever you want. You are under no obligation to respond to anyone's post, either. You are under no obligation to do anything here. Hell, you ignored my post where I told you that, contrary to your assumption about me based solely on the fact that I disagree with you that I must be a leftist, that I am not left on the political spectrum.

Of course, had you acknowledged that, you'd have to implicitly acknowledge that you're also acting, in some ways, like O'Reilly and Beck and Hannity by assuming everyone who disagrees with you is a hypocritical liberal.

And even if he's insulting you, so what? Put him on your ignore list if it gets your panties in a such a wad.
 
2009-06-21 01:28:46 PM  
Let's see, here's a good article with a lot of O'Reilly's comments on Tiller, including On June 12, 2007, he said, "Yes, I think we all know what this is. And if the state of Kansas doesn't stop this man, then anybody who prevents that from happening has blood on their hands as the governor does right now, Governor Sebelius." That's asking for someone to commit murder, and saying that he wouldn't think it was wrong. Oh, and it was the very first result on o'reilly tiller as a Google search. Reality is right in front of your eyes, but yours are closed as tight as you can.
 
2009-06-21 01:29:38 PM  
SpeshilEdjukashin: Weaver95: you act like a freeper, sound like a freeper, and are just as intolerant as a freeper. so why be upset if you get tagged as one? By the way, I believe that tradition demands you reject freerepublic 2 more times before sunrise.

You're doing on the Internet, exactly what Ebert was complaining O'Reilly does on television. You do realize that, right? Ok.


you still haven't wandered over to youtube and checked out all those O'Reilly rants about Tiller, have you?
 
2009-06-21 01:31:18 PM  
Kome: SpeshilEdjukashin: You're doing on the Internet, exactly what Ebert was complaining O'Reilly does on television. You do realize that, right? Ok.

Not exactly. He isn't talking over you. He isn't shouting you down and preventing you from saying your piece. You can still type and post whatever you want. You are under no obligation to respond to anyone's post, either. You are under no obligation to do anything here. Hell, you ignored my post where I told you that, contrary to your assumption about me based solely on the fact that I disagree with you that I must be a leftist, that I am not left on the political spectrum.

Of course, had you acknowledged that, you'd have to implicitly acknowledge that you're also acting, in some ways, like O'Reilly and Beck and Hannity by assuming everyone who disagrees with you is a hypocritical liberal.

And even if he's insulting you, so what? Put him on your ignore list if it gets your panties in a such a wad.


I laughed when he called you a liberal.
 
2009-06-21 01:32:37 PM  
You guys are wasting way too much time and energy replying to one of the biggest assholes on this entire site, someone who's really not even worthy of being acknowledged, ever.
 
2009-06-21 01:32:55 PM  
SpeshilEdjukashin: darkhorse23: when it happens time and time again..

^Citation needed.


Here is just a few of the folks on your side.

1995

July 28, 1995
Antigovernment extremist Charles Ray Polk is arrested after trying to purchase a machine gun from an undercover police officer, and is later indicted by a federal grand jury for plotting to blow up the Internal Revenue Service building in Austin, Texas. At the time of his arrest, Polk is trying to purchase plastic explosives to add to the already huge arsenal he's amassed. Polk is sentenced to almost 21 years in federal prison, with a projected release date in 2009.


October 9, 1995
Saboteurs derail an Amtrak passenger train near Hyder, Ariz., killing one person and injuring scores of others. An antigovernment message, signed by the "Sons of Gestapo," is left behind. The perpetrators remain at large.


November 9, 1995
Oklahoma Constitutional Militia leader Willie Ray Lampley, his wife Cecilia and another man, John Dare Baird, are arrested as they prepare explosives to bomb numerous targets, including the Southern Poverty Law Center, gay bars and abortion clinics. The three, along with another suspect arrested later, are sentenced to terms of up to 11 years in 1996. An appeals court upholds Lampley's sentence the following year. Baird is released in August 2004, while Ray Lampley - who wrote letters from prison urging others to violence - is slated to be freed in January 2006.


December 18, 1995
An Internal Revenue Service (IRS) employee discovers a plastic drum packed with ammonium nitrate and fuel oil in a parking lot behind the IRS building in Reno, Nev. The device failed to explode a day earlier when a three-foot fuse went out prematurely. Ten days later, tax protester Joseph Martin Bailie is arrested. Bailie is eventually sentenced to 36 years in federal prison.


1996

January 18, 1996
Peter Kevin Langan, the pseudonymous "Commander Pedro" who leads the underground Aryan Republican Army, is arrested after a shootout with the FBI in Ohio. Along with six other suspects arrested around the same time, Langan is charged in connection with a string of 22 bank robberies in seven Midwestern states between 1994 and 1996. After pleading guilty and agreeing to testify, conspirator Richard Guthrie commits suicide in his cell. Two others, Kevin McCarthy and Scott Stedeford, enter plea bargains and do testify against their co-conspirators. Eventually, Mark Thomas, a leading neo-Nazi in Pennsylvania, pleads guilty for his role in helping organize the robberies and agrees to testify against Langan and other gang members. Shawn Kenny, another suspect, becomes a federal informant. Langan is sentenced to a life term in one case, plus 55 years in another. Thomas is sentenced to eight years in prison, and is released in early 2004.


April 11, 1996
Antigovernment activist Ray Hamblin is charged with illegal possession of explosives after authorities find 460 pounds of the high explosive Tovex, 746 pounds of ANFO blasting agent and 15 homemade hand grenades on his property in Hood River, Ore. Hamblin is sentenced to almost four years in federal prison, and is released in March 2000.


April 12, 1996
Apparently inspired by his reading of a neo-Nazi tract, Larry Wayne Shoemake kills one black man and wounds seven other people, including a reporter, during a racist shooting spree in a black neighborhood in Jackson, Miss. As police close in on the abandoned restaurant he is shooting from, Shoemake, who is white, sets the restaurant on fire and kills himself. A search of his home finds references to "Separation or Annihilation," an essay on race relations by National Alliance leader William Pierce, along with an arsenal of weapons that includes 17 long guns, 20,000 rounds of ammunition, several knives and countless military manuals.


April 26, 1996
Two leaders of the Militia-at-Large of the Republic of Georgia, Robert Edward Starr iii and William James McCranie Jr., are charged with manufacturing shrapnel bombs for distribution to militia members. Later in the year, they are sentenced on explosives charges to terms of up to eight years. Another Militia-at-Large member, accused of training a team to assassinate politicians, is later convicted of conspiracy. Starr is released from prison in 2003, while McCranie gets out in 2001. The last member, Troy Allen Kayser (alias Troy Spain), draws six years in prison and is released in early 2002.


July 1, 1996
Twelve members of an Arizona militia group called the Viper Team are arrested on federal conspiracy, weapons and explosive charges after allegedly surveilling and videotaping government buildings as potential targets. All 12 plead guilty or are convicted of various charges, drawing sentences of up to nine years in prison. The plot participants are all released in coming years, with Gary Curds Baer, who drew the heaviest sentence, freed in May 2004.


July 27, 1996
A nail-packed bomb goes off at the Atlanta Olympics, which is seen by many extremists as part of a Satanic "New World Order," killing one person and injuring more than 100 others. Investigators will later conclude the attack is linked to 1997-1998 bombings of an Atlanta-area abortion clinic, an Atlanta gay bar and a Birmingham, Ala., abortion facility. Suspect Eric Robert Rudolph - a reclusive North Carolina man tied to the anti-Semitic Christian Identity theology - flees into the woods of his native state after he is identified in early 1998 as a suspect in the Birmingham attack, and is only captured five years later. Eventually, he pleads guilty to all of the attacks attributed to him in exchange for life without parole.


July 29, 1996
Washington State Militia leader John Pitner and seven others are arrested on weapons and explosives charges in connection with a plot to build pipe bombs for a confrontation with the federal government. Pitner and four others are convicted on weapons charges, while conspiracy charges against all eight end in a mistrial. Pitner is later retried on that charge, convicted and sentenced to four years in prison. He is freed from prison in 2001.


October 8, 1996
Three "Phineas Priests" - racist and anti-Semitic Christian Identity terrorists who feel they've been called by God to undertake violent attacks - are charged in connection with two bank robberies and bombings at the two banks, a Spokane newspaper and a Planned Parenthood office. Charles Barbee, Robert Berry and Jay Merrell are eventually convicted and sentenced to life terms. Brian Ratigan, a fourth member of the group arrested separately, draws a 55-year term.


October 11, 1996
Seven members of the Mountaineer Militia are arrested in a plot to blow up the FBI's national fingerprint records center, where 1,000 people work, in West Virginia. In 1998, leader Floyd "Ray" Looker is sentenced to 18 years in prison. Two other defendants are sentenced on explosives charges and a third draws a year in prison for providing blueprints of the FBI facility to Looker, who then sold them to a government informant who was posing as a terrorist.

January 16, 1997
Two anti-personnel bombs - the second clearly designed to kill arriving law enforcement and rescue workers - explode outside an abortion clinic in Sandy Springs, Ga., a suburb of Atlanta. Seven people are injured. Letters signed by the "Army of God" claim responsibility for this attack and another, a month later, at an Atlanta gay bar. Authorities later learn that these attacks, the 1998 bombing of a Birmingham, Ala., abortion clinic and the 1996 Atlanta Olympics bombing, were all carried out by Eric Robert Rudolph, who is captured in 2003 after five years on the run. Rudolph avoids the death penalty by pleading guilty in exchange for a life sentence, but simultaneously releases a defiant statement defending his attacks.


January 22, 1997
Authorities raid the Martinton, Ill., home of former Marine Ricky Salyers, an alleged Ku Klux Klan member, discovering 35,000 rounds of heavy ammunition, armor piercing shells, smoke and tear gas grenades, live shells for grenade launchers, artillery shells and other military gear. Salyers was discharged earlier from the Marines, where he taught demolitions and sniping, after tossing a live grenade (with the pin still in) at state police officers serving him with a search warrant in 1995. Following the 1997 raid, Salyers, an alleged member of the underground Black Dawn group of extremists in the military, is sentenced to serve three years for weapons violations. He is released from prison in 2000.


March 26, 1997
Militia activist Brendon Blasz is arrested in Kalamazoo, Mich., and charged with making pipe bombs and other illegal explosives. Prosecutors say Blasz plotted to bomb the federal building in Battle Creek, the IRS building in Portage, a Kalamazoo television station and federal armories. But they recommend leniency on his explosives conviction after Blasz renounces his antigovernment beliefs and cooperates with them. In August, he is sentenced to more than three years in federal prison. Blasz is released in early 2000.


April 22, 1997
Three Ku Klux Klan members are arrested in a plot to blow up a natural gas refinery outside Fort Worth, Texas, after local Klan leader Robert Spence gets cold feet and goes to the FBI. The three, along with a fourth arrested later, expected to kill a huge number of people with the blast - authorities later say as many as 30,000 might have died - which was to serve, incredibly, as a diversion for a simultaneous armored car robbery. Among the victims would have been children at a nearby school. All four plead guilty to conspiracy charges and are sentenced to terms of up to 20 years. Spence enters the Witness Protection Program. Carl Jay Waskom Jr. is released in June 2004. Shawn and Catherine Adams, a couple, are expected to be freed in 2006, and Edward Taylor Jr. in early 2007.


April 23, 1997
Florida police arrest Todd Vanbiber, a member of the neo-Nazi National Alliance's Tampa unit and the shadowy League of the Silent Soldier, after he accidentally sets off pipe bombs he was building, blasting shrapnel into his own face. He is accused of plotting to use the bombs on the approach to Disney World to divert attention from a planned string of bank robberies. Vanbiber pleads guilty to weapons and explosives charges and is sentenced to more than six years in federal prison. He is released in 2002. Within two years, Vanbiber is posting messages on neo-Nazi Internet sites boasting that he has built over 300 bombs successfully and only made one error, and describing mass murderer Timothy McVeigh as a hero.


April 27, 1997
After a cache of explosives stored in a tree blows up near Yuba City, Calif., police arrest Montana Freemen supporter William Robert Goehler. Investigators looking into the blast arrest two Goehler associates, one of them a militia leader, after finding 500 pounds of petrogel explosives - enough to level three city blocks - in a motor home parked outside their residence. Six others are arrested on related charges. Goehler, with previous convictions for rape, burglary and assault, is sentenced to 25 years to life in prison.


May 3, 1997
Antigovernment extremists set fire to the IRS office in Colorado Springs, Colo., causing $2.5 million in damage and injuring a firefighter. Federal agents later arrest five men in connection with the arson, which is conceived as a protest against the tax system. Ringleader James Cleaver, former national director of the antigovernment Sons of Liberty group, is eventually sentenced to 33 years in prison, while accomplice Jack Dowell is sentenced in a separate trial to serve 30 years. Both are ordered to pay $2.2 million in restitution. Dowell's cousin is acquitted of all charges, while two other suspects, Ronald Sherman and Thomas Shafer, plead guilty to perjury charges in connection with the case.


July 4, 1997
Militiaman Bradley Playford Glover and another heavily armed antigovernment activist are arrested before dawn near Fort Hood, in central Texas, just hours before they planned to invade the Army base and slaughter foreign troops they mistakenly believed were housed there. In the next few days, five other people are arrested in several states for their alleged roles in the plot to invade a series of military bases where the group believes United Nations forces are massing for an assault on Americans. All seven are part of a splinter group of the Third Continental Congress, a kind of militia government-in-waiting. In the end, Glover is sentenced to two years on Kansas weapons charges, to be followed by a five-year federal term in connection with the Fort Hood plot. The others draw lesser terms. Glover is released in 2003, the last of the seven to get out.


December 12, 1997
A federal grand jury in Arkansas indicts three men on racketeering charges for plotting to overthrow the government and create a whites-only Aryan People's Republic, which they intend to grow through polygamy. Chevie Kehoe, Daniel Lee and Faron Lovelace are accused of crimes in six states, including murder, kidnapping, robbery and conspiracy. Kehoe and Lee will also face state charges of murdering an Arkansas family, including an 8-year-old girl, in 1996. Kehoe ultimately receives a life sentence on that charge, while Lee is sentenced to death. Lovelace is sentenced to death for the murder of a suspected informant, although in early 2005 he will be up for resentencing because of court rulings. Kehoe's brother, Cheyne, is convicted of attempted murder during a February 1997 Ohio shootout with police and sentenced to 24 years in prison, despite his key role in helping authorities find his fugitive brother in Utah in June 1997 after the shootout. Cheyne went to the authorities after Chevie began talking about murdering their parents and showing sexual interest in Cheyne's wife.


1998

January 29, 1998
An off-duty police officer is killed and a nurse terribly maimed when a nail-packed, remote-control bomb explodes outside a Birmingham, Ala., abortion facility, the New Woman All Women clinic. Letters to media outlets and officials claim responsibility in the name of the "Army of God," the same entity that took credit for the bombings of a clinic and a gay bar in the Atlanta area. The attack also will be linked to the fatal 1996 bombing of the Atlanta Olympics. Eric Robert Rudolph, a loner from North Carolina, is first identified as a suspect when witnesses spot his pickup truck fleeing the Birmingham bombing. But he is not caught until 2003. He ultimately pleads guilty to all four attacks in exchange for a life sentence.


February 23, 1998
Three men with links to a Ku Klux Klan group are arrested near East St. Louis, Ill., on weapons charges. The three, along with three other men arrested later, had formed a group called The New Order, patterned on a 1980s terror group called The Order (a.k.a. the Silent Brotherhood) that carried out assassinations and armored car heists. New Order members plotted to assassinate a federal judge and civil rights lawyer Morris Dees, blow up the Southern Poverty Law Center that Dees co-founded and other buildings, poison water supplies and rob banks. In the end, all six plead guilty or are convicted of weapons charges, drawing terms of up to seven years in federal prison. Wallace Weicherding, who came to a 1997 Dees speech with a concealed gun but turned back rather than pass through a metal detector, is freed in 2003. New Order leader Dennis McGiffen is released in July 2004, the last of the six to regain his freedom.


March 18, 1998
Three members of the North American Militia of Southwestern Michigan are arrested on firearms and other charges. Prosecutors say the men conspired to bomb federal buildings, a Kalamazoo television station and an interstate highway interchange, kill federal agents, assassinate politicians and attack aircraft at a National Guard base - attacks that were all to be funded by marijuana sales. The group's leader, Ken Carter, is a self-described member of the neo-Nazi Aryan Nations. Carter pleads guilty, testifies against his former comrades, and is sentenced to five years in prison. The others, Randy Graham and Bradford Metcalf, go to trial and are ultimately handed sentences of 40 and 55 years, respectively. Carter is released from prison in 2002.


May 29, 1998
A day after stealing a water truck, three men shoot and kill a Cortez, Colo., police officer and wound two other officers as they try to stop the suspects during a road chase. After the gun battle, the three - Alan Monty Pilon, Robert Mason and Jason McVean - disappear into the canyons of the high desert. Mason will be found a week later, dead of an apparently self-inflicted gunshot. The skeletal remains of Pilon are found in October 1999 and show that he, too, died of a gunshot to the head, another apparent suicide. McVean is not found, but most authorities assume he died in the desert. Many officials believe the three men intended to use the water truck in some kind of terrorist attack, but the nature of their suspected plans is never learned.


July 1, 1998
Three men are charged with conspiracy to use weapons of mass destruction after threatening President Clinton and other federal officials with biological weapons. Officials say the men planned to use a cactus thorn coated with a toxin like anthrax and fired by a modified butane lighter to carry out the murders. One man is acquitted of the charges, but Jack Abbot Grebe, Jr., and Johnnie Wise - a 72-year-old man who attended meetings of the separatist Republic of Texas group - eventually are sentenced to more than 24 years in prison.


July 30, 1998
South Carolina militia member Paul T. Chastain is charged with weapons, explosives and drug violations after allegedly trying to trade drugs for a machine gun and enough C-4 plastic explosive to demolish a five-room house. The next year, Chastain pleads guilty to an array of charges, including threatening to kill Attorney General Janet Reno and FBI Director Louis Freeh. He is sentenced to 15 years in federal prison.


October 23, 1998
Dr. Barnett Slepian is assassinated by a sniper as he converses with his wife and children in the kitchen of their Amherst, N.Y., home. Identified as a suspect shortly after the murder, James Charles Kopp flees to Mexico, driven and disguised by friend Jennifer Rock, and goes on to hide out in Ireland and France. Two fellow anti-abortion extremists, Loretta Marra and Dennis Malvasi, make plans to help Kopp secretly return. Kopp, also suspected in the earlier sniper woundings of four other physicians in Canada and upstate New York, is arrested in France as he picks up money wired by Marra and Malvasi. He eventually admits the shooting to a newspaper reporter - claiming that he only intended to wound Slepian - and is sentenced to 25 years in prison. Marra and Malvasi go to prison for almost three years after pleading guilty to federal charges related to harboring a fugitive.


1999

June 10, 1999
Officials arrest Alabama plumber Chris Scott Gilliam, a member of the neo-Nazi National Alliance, after he attempts to purchase 10 hand grenades from an undercover federal agent. Gilliam, who months earlier paraded in an extremist T-shirt in front of the Southern Poverty Law Center's offices in Montgomery, tells agents he planned to send mail bombs to targets in Washington, d.c. Agents searching his home find bomb-making manuals, white supremacist literature and an assault rifle. Gilliam pleads guilty to federal firearms charges and is sentenced to 10 years in prison. He is expected to be released in 2008.


July 1, 1999
A gay couple, Gary Matson and Winfield Mowder, are shot to death in bed at their home near Redding, Calif. Days later, after tracking purchases made on Mowder's stolen credit card, police arrest brothers Benjamin Matthew Williams and James Tyler Williams. At least one of the pair, Matthew Williams (both use their middle names), is an adherent of the anti-Semitic Christian Identity theology. Police soon learn that the brothers two weeks earlier carried out three synagogue arsons in Sacramento, along with the arson of an abortion clinic there. Both brothers, whose mother at one point refers in a conversation to her sons' victims as "two homos," eventually admit their guilt - in Matthew's case, in a newspaper interview. But Matthew, who at one point badly injures a guard in a surprise attack, commits suicide in jail in late 2002. Tyler, who pleads guilty to an array of charges in the case, is not expected to be eligible for parole for some 50 years.


July 2, 1999
Infuriated that neo-Nazi leader Matt Hale has just been denied his law license by Illinois officials, follower Benjamin Nathaniel Smith begins a three-day murder spree across Illinois and Indiana, shooting to death a black former college basketball coach and a Korean doctoral student and wounding nine other minorities. Smith kills himself as police close in during a car chase. Hale, leader of the World Church of the Creator, at first claims to barely know Smith. But it quickly emerges that Hale has recently given Smith his group's top award and, in fact, has spent some 16 hours on the phone with him in the two weeks before Smith's rampage. Conveniently, Hale receives a registered letter from Smith just days after his suicide, informing Hale that Smith is quitting the group because he now sees violence as the only answer.


August 10, 1999
Buford Furrow, a former member of the neo-Nazi Aryan Nations who has been living with the widow of slain terrorist leader Bob Mathews, strides into a Jewish community center near Los Angeles and fires more than 70 bullets, wounding three boys, a teenage girl and a woman. He then drives into the San Fernando Valley and kills Filipino-American mailman Joseph Ileto. The next day, Furrow turns himself in, saying he intended to send "a wake-up call to America to kill Jews." Furrow, who has a history of mental illness, eventually pleads guilty and is sentenced to two life terms without parole, plus 110 years in prison.


November 5, 1999
FBI agents arrest James Kenneth Gluck in Tampa, Fla., after he wrote a 10-page letter to judges in Jefferson County, Colo., threatening to "wage biological warfare" on a county justice center. While searching his home, police find the materials needed to make ricin, one of the deadliest poisons known. Gluck later threatens a judge, claiming that he could kill 10,000 people with the chemical. After serving time in federal prison, Gluck is released in early 2001.


December 5, 1999
Two California men, both members of the San Joaquin Militia, are charged with conspiracy in connection with a plot to blow up two 12-million-gallon propane tanks, a television tower and an electrical substation in hopes of provoking an insurrection. In 2001, the former militia leader, Donald Rudolph, pleads guilty to plotting to kill a federal judge and blow up the propane tanks, and testifies against his former comrades. Kevin Ray Patterson and Charles Dennis Kiles are ultimately convicted of several charges in connection with the conspiracy. They are expected to be released from federal prison in 2021 and 2018, respectively.


December 8, 1999
Donald Beauregard, head of a militia coalition known as the Southeastern States Alliance, is charged with conspiracy, providing materials for a terrorist act and gun violations in connection with a plot to bomb energy facilities and cause power outages in Florida and Georgia. After pleading guilty to several charges, Beauregard, who once claimed to have discovered a secret map detailing a planned un takeover mistakenly printed on a box of Trix cereal, is sentenced to five years in federal prison. He is released in 2004, a year after accomplice James Troy Diver is freed following a similar conviction.

January 16, 1997
Two anti-personnel bombs - the second clearly designed to kill arriving law enforcement and rescue workers - explode outside an abortion clinic in Sandy Springs, Ga., a suburb of Atlanta. Seven people are injured. Letters signed by the "Army of God" claim responsibility for this attack and another, a month later, at an Atlanta gay bar. Authorities later learn that these attacks, the 1998 bombing of a Birmingham, Ala., abortion clinic and the 1996 Atlanta Olympics bombing, were all carried out by Eric Robert Rudolph, who is captured in 2003 after five years on the run. Rudolph avoids the death penalty by pleading guilty in exchange for a life sentence, but simultaneously releases a defiant statement defending his attacks.


January 22, 1997
Authorities raid the Martinton, Ill., home of former Marine Ricky Salyers, an alleged Ku Klux Klan member, discovering 35,000 rounds of heavy ammunition, armor piercing shells, smoke and tear gas grenades, live shells for grenade launchers, artillery shells and other military gear. Salyers was discharged earlier from the Marines, where he taught demolitions and sniping, after tossing a live grenade (with the pin still in) at state police officers serving him with a search warrant in 1995. Following the 1997 raid, Salyers, an alleged member of the underground Black Dawn group of extremists in the military, is sentenced to serve three years for weapons violations. He is released from prison in 2000.


March 26, 1997
Militia activist Brendon Blasz is arrested in Kalamazoo, Mich., and charged with making pipe bombs and other illegal explosives. Prosecutors say Blasz plotted to bomb the federal building in Battle Creek, the IRS building in Portage, a Kalamazoo television station and federal armories. But they recommend leniency on his explosives conviction after Blasz renounces his antigovernment beliefs and cooperates with them. In August, he is sentenced to more than three years in federal prison. Blasz is released in early 2000.


April 22, 1997
Three Ku Klux Klan members are arrested in a plot to blow up a natural gas refinery outside Fort Worth, Texas, after local Klan leader Robert Spence gets cold feet and goes to the FBI. The three, along with a fourth arrested later, expected to kill a huge number of people with the blast - authorities later say as many as 30,000 might have died - which was to serve, incredibly, as a diversion for a simultaneous armored car robbery. Among the victims would have been children at a nearby school. All four plead guilty to conspiracy charges and are sentenced to terms of up to 20 years. Spence enters the Witness Protection Program. Carl Jay Waskom Jr. is released in June 2004. Shawn and Catherine Adams, a couple, are expected to be freed in 2006, and Edward Taylor Jr. in early 2007.


April 23, 1997
Florida police arrest Todd Vanbiber, a member of the neo-Nazi National Alliance's Tampa unit and the shadowy League of the Silent Soldier, after he accidentally sets off pipe bombs he was building, blasting shrapnel into his own face. He is accused of plotting to use the bombs on the approach to Disney World to divert attention from a planned string of bank robberies. Vanbiber pleads guilty to weapons and explosives charges and is sentenced to more than six years in federal prison. He is released in 2002. Within two years, Vanbiber is posting messages on neo-Nazi Internet sites boasting that he has built over 300 bombs successfully and only made one error, and describing mass murderer Timothy McVeigh as a hero.


April 27, 1997
After a cache of explosives stored in a tree blows up near Yuba City, Calif., police arrest Montana Freemen supporter William Robert Goehler. Investigators looking into the blast arrest two Goehler associates, one of them a militia leader, after finding 500 pounds of petrogel explosives - enough to level three city blocks - in a motor home parked outside their residence. Six others are arrested on related charges. Goehler, with previous convictions for rape, burglary and assault, is sentenced to 25 years to life in prison.


May 3, 1997
Antigovernment extremists set fire to the IRS office in Colorado Springs, Colo., causing $2.5 million in damage and injuring a firefighter. Federal agents later arrest five men in connection with the arson, which is conceived as a protest against the tax system. Ringleader James Cleaver, former national director of the antigovernment Sons of Liberty group, is eventually sentenced to 33 years in prison, while accomplice Jack Dowell is sentenced in a separate trial to serve 30 years. Both are ordered to pay $2.2 million in restitution. Dowell's cousin is acquitted of all charges, while two other suspects, Ronald Sherman and Thomas Shafer, plead guilty to perjury charges in connection with the case.


July 4, 1997
Militiaman Bradley Playford Glover and another heavily armed antigovernment activist are arrested before dawn near Fort Hood, in central Texas, just hours before they planned to invade the Army base and slaughter foreign troops they mistakenly believed were housed there. In the next few days, five other people are arrested in several states for their alleged roles in the plot to invade a series of military bases where the group believes United Nations forces are massing for an assault on Americans. All seven are part of a splinter group of the Third Continental Congress, a kind of militia government-in-waiting. In the end, Glover is sentenced to two years on Kansas weapons charges, to be followed by a five-year federal term in connection with the Fort Hood plot. The others draw lesser terms. Glover is released in 2003, the last of the seven to get out.


December 12, 1997
A federal grand jury in Arkansas indicts three men on racketeering charges for plotting to overthrow the government and create a whites-only Aryan People's Republic, which they intend to grow through polygamy. Chevie Kehoe, Daniel Lee and Faron Lovelace are accused of crimes in six states, including murder, kidnapping, robbery and conspiracy. Kehoe and Lee will also face state charges of murdering an Arkansas family, including an 8-year-old girl, in 1996. Kehoe ultimately receives a life sentence on that charge, while Lee is sentenced to death. Lovelace is sentenced to death for the murder of a suspected informant, although in early 2005 he will be up for resentencing because of court rulings. Kehoe's brother, Cheyne, is convicted of attempted murder during a February 1997 Ohio shootout with police and sentenced to 24 years in prison, despite his key role in helping authorities find his fugitive brother in Utah in June 1997 after the shootout. Cheyne went to the authorities after Chevie began talking about murdering their parents and showing sexual interest in Cheyne's wife.


1998

January 29, 1998
An off-duty police officer is killed and a nurse terribly maimed when a nail-packed, remote-control bomb explodes outside a Birmingham, Ala., abortion facility, the New Woman All Women clinic. Letters to media outlets and officials claim responsibility in the name of the "Army of God," the same entity that took credit for the bombings of a clinic and a gay bar in the Atlanta area. The attack also will be linked to the fatal 1996 bombing of the Atlanta Olympics. Eric Robert Rudolph, a loner from North Carolina, is first identified as a suspect when witnesses spot his pickup truck fleeing the Birmingham bombing. But he is not caught until 2003. He ultimately pleads guilty to all four attacks in exchange for a life sentence.


February 23, 1998
Three men with links to a Ku Klux Klan group are arrested near East St. Louis, Ill., on weapons charges. The three, along with three other men arrested later, had formed a group called The New Order, patterned on a 1980s terror group called The Order (a.k.a. the Silent Brotherhood) that carried out assassinations and armored car heists. New Order members plotted to assassinate a federal judge and civil rights lawyer Morris Dees, blow up the Southern Poverty Law Center that Dees co-founded and other buildings, poison water supplies and rob banks. In the end, all six plead guilty or are convicted of weapons charges, drawing terms of up to seven years in federal prison. Wallace Weicherding, who came to a 1997 Dees speech with a concealed gun but turned back rather than pass through a metal detector, is freed in 2003. New Order leader Dennis McGiffen is released in July 2004, the last of the six to regain his freedom.


March 18, 1998
Three members of the North American Militia of Southwestern Michigan are arrested on firearms and other charges. Prosecutors say the men conspired to bomb federal buildings, a Kalamazoo television station and an interstate highway interchange, kill federal agents, assassinate politicians and attack aircraft at a National Guard base - attacks that were all to be funded by marijuana sales. The group's leader, Ken Carter, is a self-described member of the neo-Nazi Aryan Nations. Carter pleads guilty, testifies against his former comrades, and is sentenced to five years in prison. The others, Randy Graham and Bradford Metcalf, go to trial and are ultimately handed sentences of 40 and 55 years, respectively. Carter is released from prison in 2002.


May 29, 1998
A day after stealing a water truck, three men shoot and kill a Cortez, Colo., police officer and wound two other officers as they try to stop the suspects during a road chase. After the gun battle, the three - Alan Monty Pilon, Robert Mason and Jason McVean - disappear into the canyons of the high desert. Mason will be found a week later, dead of an apparently self-inflicted gunshot. The skeletal remains of Pilon are found in October 1999 and show that he, too, died of a gunshot to the head, another apparent suicide. McVean is not found, but most authorities assume he died in the desert. Many officials believe the three men intended to use the water truck in some kind of terrorist attack, but the nature of their suspected plans is never learned.


July 1, 1998
Three men are charged with conspiracy to use weapons of mass destruction after threatening President Clinton and other federal officials with biological weapons. Officials say the men planned to use a cactus thorn coated with a to

(blah blah blah)
 
2009-06-21 01:32:58 PM  
GAT_00: The problem is that we simply can't have open communication is this country anymore.

This. And its really sad.

I remember having more substantive, rational debates with my friends in 8th grade. I was a bit of a political nerd, but not THAT well read. But still, we took sides on the right/left scale, and I very much remember learning the whole concept of analyzing the other side for things I felt worked as well as debating those I felt didn't.

Yes, there are more radical far-righters and far-lefters today (probably). The real problem is the people that AREN'T to the far end of their political side are still completely close-minded, and use the same tactics in conversation as the nut jobs.

Sad.
 
2009-06-21 01:33:55 PM  
Weaver95: you still haven't wandered over to youtube and checked out all those O'Reilly rants about Tiller, have you?

He is busy reading the newspapers. All of them. Instead of TFA.
 
Bek
2009-06-21 01:37:24 PM  
Weaver95: they aren't going around saying we should get all French Revolution on wall street.

This is actually something I've been saying for a few months now. I want some heads to roll in the upper classes- we need a good old fashioned revolution.

the cake is a lie
 
2009-06-21 01:39:22 PM  
Sorry to go all Tolstoy y'all. I'm just sick of these idiots claiming that their side just has a "few" nutballs who murder in the name of their twisted, backwards, ideology. I don't have a problem with the fiscal conservatives (well, not much of one) They often even have good ideas. Social conservatism is a disease that needs to be eradicated. Luckily enough, education is the cure for it. As more time passes and fewer young people see the benefits in being part of America's Taliban, their numbers will drop even further.
 
2009-06-21 01:40:53 PM  
Weaver95: SpeshilEdjukashin: Weaver95: You don't read a lot of news, do you?

More than the average person, I assure you. Do you have a valid point to make, or were you just trying to insult me?

No, you handled the insult portion of that exchange quite well all by yourself. I merely suggest that you might want to expand your news searchs to something OTHER than fox news and freerepublic.com.


That's not fair. I'm sure he reads the Wall Street Journal, NY Post and Washington Times, too.
Maybe Redstate, NewsMax and WND, too.
 
2009-06-21 01:41:58 PM  
GAT_00: Again with ignoring the point. I didn't say you had to be an idiot. You could be willingly blind too. Everyone that is still a Republican is willingly blind.

Thank you for proving my point. Reminds me of the weeks before the 2008 election, when about half a dozen Farkers such as yourself posted about how anyone supporting a Republican should automatically be assumed to be trolling and have their posts deleted. ROFL.

GAT_00: And it's funny when you're calling me to cite sources when you haven't cited a goddamn thing.

I wasn't making false claims. What did I say that you would like a source on?

GAT_00: But, just because this only took a couple of seconds:
The well-cited Wikipedia article.
Knoxville news

Adkisson targeted the church, Still wrote in the document obtained by WBIR-TV, Channel 10, "because of its liberal teachings and his belief that all liberals should be killed because they were ruining the country, and that he felt that the Democrats had tied his country's hands in the war on terror and they had ruined every institution in America with the aid of media outlets." Inside the house, officers found "Liberalism is a Mental Health Disorder" by radio talk show host Michael Savage, "Let Freedom Ring" by talk show host Sean Hannity, and "The O'Reilly Factor," by television talk show host Bill O'Reilly.


THAT is why you are all spewing crap about how Bill O'Reilly told him to kill Tiller, because there was supposedly a Bill O'Reilly book found inside his home?! That's thin man... really farking thin.
 
2009-06-21 01:46:24 PM  
SpeshilEdjukashin: THAT is why you are all spewing crap about how Bill O'Reilly told him to kill Tiller, because there was supposedly a Bill O'Reilly book found inside his home?! That's thin man... really farking thin.

youtube.com - check it out.
 
2009-06-21 01:46:50 PM  
SpeshilEdjukashin: Thank you for proving my point. Reminds me of the weeks before the 2008 election, when about half a dozen Farkers such as yourself posted about how anyone supporting a Republican should automatically be assumed to be trolling and have their posts deleted. ROFL.

And attacks on me, while pretending to be a martyr for braving attacks on yourself.

I wasn't making false claims. What did I say that you would like a source on?

Anything you've said. Can you prove anything from an unbiased site? Without going to Fox, NRO, American Thinker, et. al?

THAT is why you are all spewing crap about how Bill O'Reilly told him to kill Tiller, because there was supposedly a Bill O'Reilly book found inside his home?! That's thin man... really farking thin.

What does O'Reilly say on his show? What was this guy writing? What was he reading? Put it together. Oh, and check out the stuff on him hating on Tiller. Much less 'thin' evidence for you to ignore.
 
2009-06-21 01:47:56 PM  
GAT_00: SpeshilEdjukashin: Again with the insults, and again with the inability to cite your sources...

Again with ignoring the point. I didn't say you had to be an idiot. You could be willingly blind too. Everyone that is still a Republican is willingly blind. And it's funny when you're calling me to cite sources when you haven't cited a goddamn thing. But, just because this only took a couple of seconds:

The well-cited Wikipedia article.

Knoxville news

Adkisson targeted the church, Still wrote in the document obtained by WBIR-TV, Channel 10, "because of its liberal teachings and his belief that all liberals should be killed because they were ruining the country, and that he felt that the Democrats had tied his country's hands in the war on terror and they had ruined every institution in America with the aid of media outlets."

Inside the house, officers found "Liberalism is a Mental Health Disorder" by radio talk show host Michael Savage, "Let Freedom Ring" by talk show host Sean Hannity, and "The O'Reilly Factor," by television talk show host Bill O'Reilly.


You're missing the point. What our SpecialEd friend is trying to get us to admit is that Bill O'Reilly never told Adkisson or Roeder to kill those people. Sure, he incited them, but he never specifically said the words "kill them."
So that completely absolves O'Reilly, see?
 
2009-06-21 01:49:17 PM  
SpeshilEdjukashin: I wasn't making false claims. What did I say that you would like a source on?

For starters:

And as for the news media, Bill O'Reilly may shout a lot (I stopped watching him a long time ago because of it) but at least he's trying to represent an otherwise unrepresented group of people.

Which unrepresented group of people does O'Reilly represent?

99% of conservatives are good God loving people who would never hurt anyone.

Oh? Where's the proof of that?
 
2009-06-21 01:49:57 PM  
SpeshilEdjukashin: He's trying to take the high road as if liberals have never been known to insult or shout down conservatives?

1) He didn't say that.

2) The point is responsibility and the discourse, not what side of the spectrum you're on.
 
2009-06-21 01:53:35 PM  
Kome: Which unrepresented group of people does O'Reilly represent?

White, Christian, male, assholes. Duh.
 
2009-06-21 01:56:11 PM  
Diogenes: The point is responsibility and the discourse, not what side of the spectrum you're on.

Winner winner chicken dinner
 
2009-06-21 02:01:09 PM  
Maddogjew: SpeshilEdjukashin: darkhorse23: when it happens time and time again..

^Citation needed.

Here is just a few of the folks on your side.

1995

July 28, 1995
Antigovernment extremist Charles Ray Polk is arrested after trying to purchase a machine gun from an undercover police officer, and is later indicted by a federal grand jury for plotting to blow up the Internal Revenue Service building in Austin, Texas. At the time of his arrest, Polk is trying to purchase plastic explosives to add to the already huge arsenal he's amassed. Polk is sentenced to almost 21 years in federal prison, with a projected release date in 2009.
Anyi government? Doesn't pay his taxes? Obviously a liberal.


October 9, 1995
Saboteurs derail an Amtrak passenger train near Hyder, Ariz., killing one person and injuring scores of others. An antigovernment message, signed by the "Sons of Gestapo," is left behind. The perpetrators remain at large.
"Sons of Gestapo?" Nazis are Leftists.


November 9, 1995
Oklahoma Constitutional Militia leader Willie Ray Lampley, his wife Cecilia and another man, John Dare Baird, are arrested as they prepare explosives to bomb numerous targets, including the Southern Poverty Law Center, gay bars and abortion clinics. The three, along with another suspect arrested later, are sentenced to terms of up to 11 years in 1996. An appeals court upholds Lampley's sentence the following year. Baird is released in August 2004, while Ray Lampley - who wrote letters from prison urging others to violence - is slated to be freed in January 2006.
False flag operation.


December 18, 1995
An Internal Revenue Service (IRS) employee discovers a plastic drum packed with ammonium nitrate and fuel oil in a parking lot behind the IRS building in Reno, Nev. The device failed to explode a day earlier when a three-foot fuse went out prematurely. Ten days later, tax protester Joseph Martin Bailie is arrested. Bailie is eventually sentenced to 36 years in federal prison.
Incompetent bombmaker? Obviously a lefty.


1996

January 18, 1996
Peter Kevin Langan, the pseudonymous "Commander Pedro" who leads the underground Aryan Republican Army, is arrested after a shootout with the FBI in Ohio. Along with six other suspects arrested around the same time, Langan is charged in connection with a string of 22 bank robberies in seven Midwestern states between 1994 and 1996. After pleading guilty and agreeing to testify, conspirator Richard Guthrie commits suicide in his cell. Two others, Kevin McCarthy and Scott Stedeford, enter plea bargains and do testify against their co-conspirators. Eventually, Mark Thomas, a leading neo-Nazi in Pennsylvania, pleads guilty for his role in helping organize the robberies and agrees to testify against Langan and other gang members. Shawn Kenny, another suspect, becomes a federal informant. Langan is sentenced to a life term in one case, plus 55 years in another. Thomas is sentenced to eight years in prison, and is released in early 2004.
"Commander Pedro?" Illegal Mexican, must be a liberal. Neo-Nazi? Nazis are Leftists.


April 11, 1996
Antigovernment activist Ray Hamblin is charged with illegal possession of explosives after authorities find 460 pounds of the high explosive Tovex, 746 pounds of ANFO blasting agent and 15 homemade hand grenades on his property in Hood River, Ore. Hamblin is sentenced to almost four years in federal prison, and is released in March 2000.
Hates the government and lives in Oregon? Must be a Democrat.


April 12, 1996
Apparently inspired by his reading of a neo-Nazi tract, Larry Wayne Shoemake kills one black man and wounds seven other people, including a reporter, during a racist shooting spree in a black neighborhood in Jackson, Miss. As police close in on the abandoned restaurant he is shooting from, Shoemake, who is white, sets the restaurant on fire and kills himself. A search of his home finds references to "Separation or Annihilation," an essay on race relations by National Alliance leader William Pierce, along with an arsenal of weapons that includes 17 long guns, 20,000 rounds of ammunition, several knives and countless military manuals.
Nazis again.


April 26, 1996
Two leaders of the Militia-at-Large of the Republic of Georgia, Robert Edward Starr iii and William James McCranie Jr., are charged with manufacturing shrapnel bombs for distribution to militia members. Later in the year, they are sentenced ...

Redistribution? Sounds commie to me.
 
2009-06-21 02:01:14 PM  
even Weaver is a dirty librul now, it's well past the time to stop digging and start pulling dirt back into the hole.
 
2009-06-21 02:02:08 PM  
propasaurus: You're missing the point. What our SpecialEd friend is trying to get us to admit is that Bill O'Reilly never told Adkisson or Roeder to kill those people. Sure, he incited them, but he never specifically said the words "kill them."

GAT_00: What was this guy writing? What was he reading? Put it together. Oh, and check out the stuff on him hating on Tiller. Much less 'thin' evidence for you to ignore.

So you're saying that anyone who opposes late-term abortion and the people who do it is by default calling for their murder? I don't buy that.
 
2009-06-21 02:04:08 PM  
I'm out of here before the liter flamewar starts, it's been fun guys.
 
2009-06-21 02:05:20 PM  
SpeshilEdjukashin: I'm out of here before the liter flamewar starts, it's been fun guys.

In other words, "I started a flamewar, but can't take the heat. I'm out of here."
 
2009-06-21 02:06:33 PM  
SpeshilEdjukashin: I'm out of here before the liter flamewar starts, it's been fun guys.

O'Reilly would have stood his ground.
 
2009-06-21 02:06:43 PM  
SpeshilEdjukashin: I'm out of here before the liter flamewar starts, it's been fun guys.

Cut and run ya coward. Show those conservative ideals!
 
2009-06-21 02:07:37 PM  
So... if we silence speech from the other side of the political aisle, that helps promote a civil and peaceful society? Oh, I see... like fascist do.
 
2009-06-21 02:09:30 PM  
GAT_00: Let's see, here's a good article with a lot of O'Reilly's comments on Tiller, including On June 12, 2007, he said, "Yes, I think we all know what this is. And if the state of Kansas doesn't stop this man, then anybody who prevents that from happening has blood on their hands as the governor does right now, Governor Sebelius." That's asking for someone to commit murder, and saying that he wouldn't think it was wrong. Oh, and it was the very first result on o'reilly tiller as a Google search. Reality is right in front of your eyes, but yours are closed as tight as you can.

What gets me so pissed off about O'Reilly's comments about Tiller is that Tiller was performing a needed procedure. Read some of the stories from women who have had late term abortions. You don't wait seven months and then say, gosh, it isn't convenient to have a baby right now. And it keeps kicking me... guess I'll just abort it.

These women had to face terrible choices. How would you feel if you knew your baby had not brain (one of the circumstances under which patients had the late term procedure.)

Would you like to carry a baby to term under those conditions? Or if you knew that your baby would have to undergo multiple painful operations after birth and still most likely be unable to survive?
 
2009-06-21 02:09:37 PM  
SpeshilEdjukashin: I'm out of here before the liter flamewar starts, it's been fun guys.

Turn the page over. There's a whole nother list of talking points back there.

/Deficit. Muslin. Health Care. Fly killing. Secret Muslin.
 
2009-06-21 02:10:09 PM  
DamnYankees: Kome: Which unrepresented group of people does O'Reilly represent?

White, Christian, male, assholes. Duh.


You forgot old and racist.
 
2009-06-21 02:10:29 PM  
JonnyBGoode: So... if we silence speech from the other side of the political aisle, that helps promote a civil and peaceful society? Oh, I see... like fascist do.

Indeed and since fascism is the right wing ideal, we saw a lot of that while y'all were in power. Or do you forget the whole "America, love it or leave it, commie!" tripe that your side spouted for years?
 
2009-06-21 02:11:35 PM  
JonnyBGoode: So... if we silence speech from the other side of the political aisle, that helps promote a civil and peaceful society? Oh, I see... like fascist do.

So if we blindly follow leaders demands to boycott GM, boycott stimulus package meetings, etc., that helps promote a civil and peaceful society? Oh I see...like mindless zombies do.
 
2009-06-21 02:11:58 PM  
JonnyBGoode: So... if we silence speech from the other side of the political aisle, that helps promote a civil and peaceful society? Oh, I see... like fascist do.

why does the aisle only have 2 sides ? and why do the best people from the "other side" not agree with being represented by the chosen spokespeople ?

Most smart conservatives would rather gouge out their eyes than say that O'Reilly or the others like him speak for them.
 
2009-06-21 02:13:36 PM  
Cable news, and FOX in particular is a cancer on our nation.
 
2009-06-21 02:14:11 PM  
JonnyBGoode: So... if we silence speech from the other side of the political aisle, that helps promote a civil and peaceful society? Oh, I see... like fascist do.

You might want to RTFA.
 
2009-06-21 02:14:30 PM  
Hick: DamnYankees: Kome: Which unrepresented group of people does O'Reilly represent?

White, Christian, male, assholes. Duh.

You forgot old and racist.


Somethings you just assume...
 
2009-06-21 02:14:36 PM  
FTA:

What were those "same techniques?" The Indiana team quoted an earlier study:

The seven propaganda devices include:

* Name calling -- giving something a bad label to make the audience reject it without examining the evidence;
* Glittering generalities -- the opposite of name calling;
* Card stacking -- the selective use of facts and half-truths;
* Bandwagon -- appeals to the desire, common to most of us, to follow the crowd;
* Plain folks -- an attempt to convince an audience that they, and their ideas, are "of the people";
* Transfer -- carries over the authority, sanction and prestige of something we respect or dispute to something the speaker would want us to accept; and
* Testimonials -- involving a respected (or disrespected) person endorsing or rejecting an idea or person.


Sounds like a typical Fark atheist thread.
 
2009-06-21 02:15:03 PM  
Mordant: JonnyBGoode: So... if we silence speech from the other side of the political aisle, that helps promote a civil and peaceful society? Oh, I see... like fascist do.

why does the aisle only have 2 sides ? and why do the best people from the "other side" not agree with being represented by the chosen spokespeople ?

Most smart conservatives would rather gouge out their eyes than say that O'Reilly or the others like him speak for them.


They already kicked the intelligent fiscal conservatives out. They call them RHINOs and don't give those folks a spot at the table anymore. There never has been any intelligent social conservatives.
 
2009-06-21 02:15:50 PM  
One of these is not like the other.

deanswift.files.wordpress.com

wellsy.files.wordpress.com

bighollywood.breitbart.com

hillbuzz.files.wordpress.com

static.open.salon.com

www.mediabistro.com

Did you find the one that didn't fit?

No?

Okay, here, have a kick in the testicles, commie.

OMG BILL DOESN'T AGREE WITH ME! BURN HIM WITH FIRE!!!!

this is how it starts, frakwits.
 
2009-06-21 02:17:28 PM  
SpeshilEdjukashin: Which is worse, complaining about a new president who is trampling the constitution, or blindly following

I know, thank God Bush is out of office now...


him screaming about hope and change?


Oh, you meant Obama? Yeah, that sounds... rational. For a conservative, anyway. After all when that's the only way YOU are capable of supporting a President it MUST be the only way others are able to as well, right? Everyone I know who liked Obama is waiting to see how his plans work out. No blind following, no shouting to get their point across, no defending everything he does.

Just watching and evaluating.



And as for the news media, Bill O'Reilly may shout a lot (I stopped watching him a long time ago because of it) but at least he's trying to represent an otherwise unrepresented group of people.



Yeah, SO unrepresented that they took they won two elections in a row! I hate how persecuted Christians and conservatives in general are. It's terrible, what with them being a minority and all.

:roll:



The rest of the media is way too far to the left. The networks are even doing week long prime-time specials on Obama... yet late in Bush's presidency, they were telling him no when he requested a few minutes for a prime time press conference every once in a blue moon. The bias is sickening.


Perhaps because late in Bush's presidency his popularity was so low that no one wanted to watch him? While Obama is still quite popular and likely to draw a lot of viewers?

I thought you conservatives understood the whole greed as motivation thing, at least.



I agree with Ebert that shouting at people and insulting them is not the way to go... but this was a one-sided hatchet job. I could produce an equally compelling blog about how Olbermann is "dangerous," complete with YouTube clips in about half an hour if I gave enough of a shiat. But I don't.



So you mean the "others like him" that Ebert was talking about? So for all your wharbrgrbl you basically agree?

Yeah.
 
2009-06-21 02:18:50 PM  
isn't this the fat homo who reviews movies?

did Bill O'Reilly make a movie?
 
2009-06-21 02:19:42 PM  
Where's the "hero" tag when you need it. Tell it like it is Ebert!
 
2009-06-21 02:20:02 PM  
vertiaset: Sounds like a typical Fark atheist thread.

FTFY
 
2009-06-21 02:22:05 PM  
Bill O'Reilly has been brought low by the same process that afflicted Jerry Springer. Once respected journalists...

When?
 
2009-06-21 02:22:09 PM  
Mordant: JonnyBGoode: So... if we silence speech from the other side of the political aisle, that helps promote a civil and peaceful society? Oh, I see... like fascist do.

why does the aisle only have 2 sides ? and why do the best people from the "other side" not agree with being represented by the chosen spokespeople ?

Most smart conservatives would rather gouge out their eyes than say that O'Reilly or the others like him speak for them.


I'm sure one or two might exist. Either way, it is such a small number we can easily interview them and ask them their opinions on Bill here.

Go ahead, and get started.
 
2009-06-21 02:22:33 PM  
Why am i not suprised with the comments here. To sum up the libs comments, "its only hate and violence when Fox news and the right does it, its freedom of speech when we do it."
 
2009-06-21 02:24:16 PM  
So just because you disagree with his opinions, he ought to be banned, right?

"---------by the time they came for me, there was nobody left to say anything."
 
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