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(Christian Science Monitor)   The Supreme Leader, once a revolutionary student himself, is about to be removed from his position by revolutionary students (Unlike those protesting, this thread can drink; discussion part XXI)   (csmonitor.com) divider line 1587
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2009-06-19 12:34:02 AM
PanicMan: fernandez: PanicMan: SJKebab: When did that happen anyway? Didn't even notice it until it was pointed out.

I don't know, but there's 12 people (already picked) getting a month of TF on me, as soon as I get paypal to stop hating me. I got the first 3 in before it started yelling for verification:
1. thenateman [Totalfark]
2. Von_Ruff [Totalfark]
3. Sooner01 [Totalfark]

Thanks Drew.

Ah, you beat me to it

5. fernandez [Totalfark]


Its...so...beautiful

/heres a month, right back at ya
 
2009-06-19 12:34:04 AM
Hobodeluxe: what time do the prayers start?

Noon Iran time (those are the ones that the Supreme Leader is speaking at).
Iran is +3:30 GMT, so 3:30 AM EST.
 
2009-06-19 12:34:04 AM
Biological Ali: In any event, I'd suggest changing it from "highly probable" to "persistent rumour", and to reconsider the inclusion of the Der Spiegel link in that section.

It can only help to make things more accurate, if even by a tiny bit.


Occasionally in videos people will refer to the police or their attackers as arabs, sometimes jokingly, some times as an extremely biting comment. I think there's a racist undercurrent with Iranians v Arabs. But I'm not so well versed in their culture that I can speak on it with any intelligence, but it seems like a little somethin somethin they got going on over there. At least that was the impression I'm left with. There certainly are some arabs, but the fact that it seems to be used as a perjorative doesn't help illuminate the objective fact of the very muddy circumstances.
 
2009-06-19 12:34:11 AM
VwlssWndr: richard1138: Or perhaps they don't really see this as a revolution. We talked a bit about this last night, so don't really want to re-hash it, but the idea that this is a true revolution for Iran seems to exist in the minds of some of the people watching it unfold. From the best information we have available, I can't really see how this is anything more than political infighting, a rumble between political parties under the same establishment. Not making any kind of case against those who ARE excited by all this and choose to get involved, more power to 'em, just pointing out that without all the hoopla being generated by secondary actors, this just doesn't seem to be a huge, revolutionary thing...we'll see I suppose.

If the Iranian people are successful, it will be a revolution. Otherwise, this will likely be considered a "rebellion" or an "uprising." I only say this with the cynicism that the winners write the history books.

I still stand by what I have said all along, however, that the very nature of this event is revolutionary in and of itself. Hackers aiding a political uprising? It's stranger than fiction. There's a much deeper statement here about the global community that can't be denied.


Essentially, this. Personally (and, albeit with only limited data, professionally), I still think how the Iranian regular military falls in on this if/when they get ordered point-blank to suppress the protests, will be a sticking point. The IRGC, I feel confident, would follow the orders given to them. The Basij, according to Tats (whom I have been very impressed with throughout the last few days) are standing down at some levels, rather than continue their missions, so I wonder how long it will take before some bright light in the Iranian defense council (I forget the precise name) comes up with the idea of using military force.

Actually, if they did, and especially if the Artesh forces were deployed to suppress a protest or rally, I would be surprised if Iran didn't have its own version of Tiannamen Square happen, if it hasn't already.

I apologize in advance if I seem a bit behind the times - being stuck doing filing now that we're back in garrison again has put a serious crimp in my ability to stay informed on any ongoing issue. While I was deployed, this was the kind of stuff I did on a daily basis for fifteen months.
 
2009-06-19 12:34:12 AM
bberg: I'm sorry, but the Mullah is a very busy man. He can squeeze you in for a lunch/Jihad declaration a week from Thursday, or a stoning/sumo match the following Monday.

The sumo thing might be ok, but the fat farks better bathe
 
2009-06-19 12:34:17 AM
Slamguy: cmis04: I'm just getting here. Is it getting quiet now? The party starts in an hour or two, right? 11:28 central over here.

Haven't yet adjusted my inner clock to tehran time yet, need sleepy.


I'm off tomorrow. Flex Friday is good times. Otherwise, I'd be knocked the fuggout. I keep hearing, though, that tomorrow/today is when the shiat hits the fan
 
2009-06-19 12:34:34 AM
Tatsuma's love of the Persian people has warmed my heart permanently.
 
2009-06-19 12:34:37 AM
bberg: Don't be so pessimistic. We could all three be wrong!

Hooray for optimism!
 
2009-06-19 12:34:42 AM
HeartBurnKid: Tatsuma: SherKhan: I'd like to be updated, preferably in DBZ terms.

Khameini: *super sayan 1 stage 1* come tomorrow... OR YOU DIE
Montazeri: ... That's what you think, Captain Cocky!
Moussavi: *super sayan 1 stage 1* not sure we'll do that
Khameini: Let's ally each others.
Moussavi: Never
Khameini: ARGH *super sayan 1 stage 3*
Montazeri: Eternal Ayatollah, by your name, I summon you forth, Moussavi.
Moussavi: ... *super sayan 2* What now?
Khameini: .... NOOOOOOOO

Khameini: Check his popular support level on the scouter!
Ahmacharginmahlazor: IT'S OVER 9000!


the problem with that is the revolution will last 3 years, they'll win and the bad guy will come back from the dead for Iran Revolution GT
 
2009-06-19 12:35:28 AM
IXI Jim IXI: The sumo thing might be ok, but the fat farks better bathe

Sorry, you misunderstand - YOU will be in the sumo ring, after being stoned. Or getting stoned. One or the other.

Sorry, I'm not a very good translator.
 
2009-06-19 12:35:57 AM
IXI Jim IXI: Ok...what do you need me to do? Humor R&D?

Mein Führer, I can valk!
 
2009-06-19 12:36:49 AM
IXI Jim IXI: I'm glad I'm a farker.

hehehe :D
 
2009-06-19 12:37:22 AM
bberg: IMDWalrus: bberg: 3am Eastern - 2:30 from now.

GWSuperfan: 0300 Eastern/Midnight Pacific

Either you're both wrong, or the link in Tats's summary is.

Don't be so pessimistic. We could all three be wrong!


Nope, just the first two. They're an hour and a half early. 3:30 EST is when prayers start.
 
2009-06-19 12:37:37 AM
Jon Snow: Yes, how dare I politely ask a question. And I should just tolerate being accused of lying and insinuations of antisemitism/trolling for doing so.

When did I call you anti-semetic?

Another rhetorical question...

/heading off to bed
 
2009-06-19 12:37:45 AM
I think its the young Iranians who are about to witness true history.
 
2009-06-19 12:37:52 AM
bberg: Sorry, you misunderstand - YOU will be in the sumo ring, after being stoned. Or getting stoned. One or the other.

Sorry, I'm not a very good translator.


Well...we're really going to want to nail that one down.
 
2009-06-19 12:38:04 AM
fernandez: Philip J. Fry: I just wanted to tell you guys, I love Fark.


From your obsession with beer to your ability to completely ignore human decency in one thread and demand it in another to your ability to love beer.

I just love you guys.

You said 'beer' twice


In his defense, it would have been hard to put the word beer in a third time without just seeming like he's just saying beer just to say beer.
 
2009-06-19 12:38:21 AM
tetsoushima: does anybody know what drew's opinions are on this whole thing?

I don't know Drew, but in my head, I can only see him running around throwing as much dry ice as he can get to keep his servers cool during this.
 
2009-06-19 12:38:25 AM
Control_this: YoungSwedishBlonde: He's only gone through the motions of caring about this entire ordeal to painstaking document every piece of information thrown at his, just to implicate Hizbollah. Good call.

That's not what I said. What I said was he taints his good work with his own historic bias.


Fair enough, he's a gigantic douchebag and God should chuck a asteroid at him. Now that we're done with the ad hominem, how about we address the argument, OOOH look at the time, I need to check for new torrents. I'll let you address the case he makes.
 
2009-06-19 12:38:33 AM
pvd021: I think its the young Iranians who are about to witness true history.

Or become history...
 
2009-06-19 12:38:37 AM
Amnesty International is sending an action alert out suggesting that the below letter (you can edit it) be sent.

this is their intro to the letter then the letter follows:

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intro
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Iranian authorities must refrain from using excessive violence against those protesting against the recent election results

Since President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was declared the winner in the June 12 elections in Iran, there have been widespread protests against the contested election results. The Iranian authorities have responded with violence and repression. Reports indicate that large numbers of people were severely beaten by riot police and that several people have been fatally shot Furthermore, over 100 people are reported to have been arrested, including the brother of former President Mohammad Khatami. Amnesty International is concerned that those detained may be subjected to torture and ill-treatment. The Iranian authorities have attempted to stop the flow of information both among Iranians and from Iranians to those outside by blocking cell phone communication, text messaging and email. Amnesty International is also concerned that the protests, which have already drawn massive crowds in Tehran and other cities in Iran, may be met with increased levels of violence by Iranian authorities. AI calls for the authorities to exercise restraint in response to further demonstrations and to release all those who have been detained for peacefully expressing their opinions about the results of the election. It also calls for an end to restrictions on the right to freedom of expression and association, including the freedom to receive and impart information and ides.


------
letter
------

To: Ayatollah Sayed Ali Khamenei - His Excellency
Subject: Release those detained for peacefully opposing the election results

I am writing to you to express my concern over the use of violence by security forces responding to protests over the election results following the 12 June elections in Iran. Large numbers of people have been severely beaten by riot police on motorcycles who wield truncheons and night sticks. Furthermore, up to five students at Tehran University were reportedly shot dead on Sunday 14 June and another person was reportedly shot when security agents opened fire on a demonstration on behalf of Mir Hossein Mousavi on 15 June. Several other people were injured by gunfire.

I am also concerned that at least 170 people have been detained by authorities since 12 June, including the brother of former President Mohammad Khatami. Furthermore, the Iranian authorities have attempted to prevent the flow of information by blocking cell phone, text messaging, email and web sites.

I urge you to insure that security agents will exercise restraint in the use of lethal force to respond to protests, and to refrain from beating people for exercising their right to freedom of expression and association. I also urge that those detained for peacefully expressing their opposition to the election results be released. I finally urge you not to restrict the right to freedom of expression and association, by permitting peaceful public protests and by not interfering with communications.

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

Sincerely, ...
 
2009-06-19 12:39:46 AM
So, who thinks North Korea is really, really pissed that Iran is totally stealing their thunder?
 
2009-06-19 12:39:48 AM
Mentat: Mein Führer, I can valk!

I got the chance to see that in a midnight showing at a college theatre a few years back. Spectacular!

I only hope they put 2001 in there sometime
 
2009-06-19 12:40:06 AM
YoungSwedishBlonde: When did I call you anti-semetic?

What was the point of answering me by saying that "the Jews" didn't make it up?
 
2009-06-19 12:40:32 AM
Gosling: symbolset
Good luck to you and yours.
 
2009-06-19 12:40:59 AM
things I do to my cats...: Amnesty International is sending an action alert out suggesting that the below letter (you can edit it) be sent.

The UN is going to be pissed. Amnesty is cutting into their "strongly worded letter" action
 
2009-06-19 12:41:21 AM
Slamguy:
Damnit, I signed up a few days ago but haven't started following anyone yet. Anyone care to email me with some names? EIP.

/Not a spy.


This grid shows the ones farkers have found most reliable.
Link (new window)
 
2009-06-19 12:41:36 AM
This cannot be good...I'm having trouble connecting to "random" on 4chan
 
2009-06-19 12:41:41 AM
Colonelcool: So, who thinks North Korea is really, really pissed that Iran is totally stealing their thunder?

They're the Jan to Iran's Marsha
 
2009-06-19 12:42:31 AM
Tickle Mittens: Occasionally in videos people will refer to the police or their attackers as arabs, sometimes jokingly, some times as an extremely biting comment. I think there's a racist undercurrent with Iranians v Arabs. But I'm not so well versed in their culture that I can speak on it with any intelligence, but it seems like a little somethin somethin they got going on over there. At least that was the impression I'm left with. There certainly are some arabs, but the fact that it seems to be used as a perjorative doesn't help illuminate the objective fact of the very muddy circumstances.

That they may have been Arabs is easy enough to show, however, that they were specifically Lebanese Hizbullah can't be established with any degree of confidence based on the evidence we have, though it does appear to be a popular rumour.
 
2009-06-19 12:42:44 AM
IXI Jim IXI: This cannot be good...I'm having trouble connecting to "random" on 4chan

4chan has been known to DDoS themselves before. It could just be them being... well... them.
 
2009-06-19 12:42:58 AM
Colonelcool: So, who thinks North Korea is really, really pissed that Iran is totally stealing their thunder?

Although you wouldn't know it if you have been watching CNN.
 
2009-06-19 12:43:41 AM
IXI Jim IXI: This cannot be good...I'm having trouble connecting to "random" on 4chan

I got through, but it took forever to load.
 
2009-06-19 12:44:03 AM
IXI Jim IXI: PanicMan: I'll have to do the rest tomorrow. I gotta get some sleep.

Holy christ...you're TFing 10?

While you're at it, wanna buy some stuff for my baby registry? The breast pump looks like it could be fun...


He is, apparently, a man of his word.
 
2009-06-19 12:44:37 AM
Well I have to go to bed everyone. I will say a prayer for the freedom fighters in Iran that God keeps them safe. Up until a few days ago I hadn't prayed in years. Now, I feel it's really all I can do outside of running a proxy, posting words of support, and watching what's happening.
 
2009-06-19 12:44:40 AM
IXI Jim IXI: This cannot be good...I'm having trouble connecting to "random" on 4chan

It's been flaky for me all day.
And they were saying something about shutting it down earlier - but that could have been a joke.
I can access it just fine currently.
 
2009-06-19 12:44:56 AM
IMDWalrus: IXI Jim IXI: This cannot be good...I'm having trouble connecting to "random" on 4chan

I got through, but it took forever to load.


Oh NOES THEY GOT MOOT!!! everyone protect Drew and Lotax, we cannot lose them too!
 
2009-06-19 12:45:35 AM
mylonitic: Colonelcool: So, who thinks North Korea is really, really pissed that Iran is totally stealing their thunder?

Although you wouldn't know it if you have been watching CNN.


I just wanna hear them say type-o-dong over and over.

Maybe the Daily Show can give me my fix.
 
2009-06-19 12:45:36 AM
So is it concluded that there is no designated rally tomorrow? Is it a day off or will there still be a demonstration after the prayer service?
 
2009-06-19 12:45:43 AM
Daykeras: 4chan has been known to DDoS themselves before. It could just be them being... well... them.

LMFAO! I think Anonymous needs to get back on his meds.

VlagimarPutin: He is, apparently, a man of his word.

Yep. Gotta love that.
 
2009-06-19 12:45:53 AM
mylonitic: Colonelcool: So, who thinks North Korea is really, really pissed that Iran is totally stealing their thunder?

Although you wouldn't know it if you have been watching CNN.


If we're going by what CNN has been showing then Kim Jong Ill must be really pissed at the Jonas Brothers.
 
2009-06-19 12:46:53 AM
IXI Jim IXI: This cannot be good...I'm having trouble connecting to "random" on 4chan

It loaded just fine for me, and for my troubles, I got to see a penis. :(
 
2009-06-19 12:47:27 AM
IXI Jim IXI: pvd021: I think its the young Iranians who are about to witness true history.

Or become history...


They will witness history. They will witness the biggest beatdown ever. A beatdown so brutal they will never dare try it again. This is how it works in cesspools like Iran.
 
2009-06-19 12:47:39 AM
zunkus: mylonitic: Colonelcool: So, who thinks North Korea is really, really pissed that Iran is totally stealing their thunder?

Although you wouldn't know it if you have been watching CNN.

If we're going by what CNN has been showing then Kim Jong Ill must be really pissed at the Jonas Brothers.


And mosquito-filled swimming pools.
 
2009-06-19 12:47:58 AM
symbolset: Please: Go. Ruin the Internet for everybody else until nobody can deny that something important is happening here. These folks are speaking out for their human rights. A little bad blogging is the least you can do. Give up your dignity and be a Troll for Freedom for just one day.

I've been doing a similar thing down here. Info on facebook, sending youtube clips on email, comments, and so on.

The problem with flooding people with info, is that we might drown the Iranian people commenting on Twitter. So far, twitter is now flooded with with a lot of people that aren't Iranian, so the outlets are either words of encouragement, repeats of misinformation, recycled (and outdated) information, lulz, or just plain ole trolling.

We need to be smart. Perhaps sending the information to the papers, or to government might help. I'm doing this, actually. A few hours, I sent an email with some info to the representative of Foreign Affairs, other than that, and the stuff I mentioned above, nothing else.
 
2009-06-19 12:48:15 AM
Kuroshin:
jennyz: mylonitic: This is true, I was lurking when it came across the twitterquotes. Tatsuma was all like "Hamas? ORLY? That don't make no sense." And CFI was all like "I seen it with my own 2 eyes. They was beating people and all screaming in Arabic and shiat." And Tats was all "no way" and twitters were all "way."

That's exactly how I remember it.


THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS

Tatsuma hasn't invented or fabricated anything in his summary. All of it is taken in-context with the twitters from reliable sources (we all know who they are) and provided as-is without any further speculation than has already been provided by said twitterers. Rumors are marked as such, and originated with the reliable twitter sources within Iran.

Tats, seriously, rest up and don't bother with these people. Those of us who have been following along since the weekend can take over troll-bashing duties. If somebody has a legitimate question that's one thing, but people are just calling you out because you've gotten quite huge over the past few days. As far as the Iran issue goes, we all know you're on the up-and-up.

Unless you feel like some sparring, then by all means let 'er rip!


Hear, Hear!
 
2009-06-19 12:48:18 AM
From the Wall Street Journal:

"It's nothing if not exhilarating to watch young people in Tehran's streets trying to change the nature of the Iranian regime, and to imagine that they are forcing deep and positive changes in the nation that has been America's most implacable foe for a generation.

"Yet it also would be a mistake to ignore this darker reality: In the short run, the turmoil there could just as easily make Iran more dangerous and harder for the West to deal with.

"The fact that it's possible to envision such starkly different outcomes illustrates just how remarkable the story unfolding in Iran really is, and how much it is pulling the country and the watching world off into uncharted territory. There is no other nation that runs quite the way Iran runs, so there is no playbook to know how this kind of episode plays out -- not for Iranians, and certainly not for American policy makers."

More here (new window), including "three optimistic scenarios that could unfold -- followed by three pessimistic ones."
 
2009-06-19 12:48:30 AM
Looks like some b/tards have been busy (new window)
 
2009-06-19 12:48:37 AM
Yellol, shut up.
 
2009-06-19 12:48:40 AM
picturescrazy: IXI Jim IXI: This cannot be good...I'm having trouble connecting to "random" on 4chan

It loaded just fine for me, and for my troubles, I got to see a penis. :(


Did it have an AK47 next to it? Because I totally want to screw an AK47.
 
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