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(Christian Science Monitor)   The Supreme Leader, once a revolutionary student himself, is about to be removed from his position by revolutionary students (Unlike those protesting, this thread can drink; discussion part XXI)   (csmonitor.com) divider line 1587
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2009-06-18 11:54:45 PM
jennyz: Off topic, but dammit, I wish I had a PS3 or Wii so I could play Ghostbusters. This commercial has been on every 5 seconds.

I wish I had a Pizza Hut BBQ pizza. AND A NEW THREAD!

Mmmmmmm.....BBQ pizza...
 
2009-06-18 11:55:21 PM
Hey Tatsuma... I have a question for you, if you would be kind enough to email me.
Anaxphone at gmail
 
2009-06-18 11:55:33 PM
People wounded in the streets of Tehran, graphic:
Link (new window)
 
2009-06-18 11:56:13 PM
YoungSwedishBlonde: Biological Ali: That's a bit of a red herring, don't you think?

Assuming the claim of Lebanese Hizbollah involvement is not true, would there still be the same uproar about the summary containing that snippet if it was not written by Tatsuma?

And yes, that is a rhetorical question.


Your posts are missing something.

Oh I know what it is! A shade of green behind the text. I'll fix that.
 
2009-06-18 11:56:21 PM
For TF, there's a new thread here, though I don't if it's going to be the erm, official one.

Maybe Tats will go bless it.
 
2009-06-18 11:56:28 PM
I have an available proxy server. Who do I need to email to get this info in the right hands? Thank you.

/long time lurker
 
2009-06-18 11:56:38 PM
BMulligan: the meat of the nut:

Khamenei maintained his silence for two days before urging the opposing sides not to anger each other by making explosive comments at a private meeting of the candidates' representatives.

He asked the opposition candidates to lodge their complaints to the Guardians of the Constitution for consideration - an indirect admission that the correct procedure had not been followed following the election.

The Guardians of the Constitution later announced they would consider the complaints and admitted a partial recount of the election results may be necessary.


The Guardians thought they wouldn't need to stick their necks out to affirm the incumbent regime's retention of power, and felt safe ignoring the warning signs. They likely took comfort in the Ayatollah's rhetoric and assurances everything was fine, and now everyone in the government is paying for a few people's conspiracy and many people's complacency.
 
2009-06-18 11:56:49 PM
rppp01a: Persian hip hop (new window)

That was awesome.

And I hate rap.
 
2009-06-18 11:56:49 PM
YoungSwedishBlonde: Because if it was anybody but Tatsuma who was writing those summaries, there would be no controversy to the claim of Lebanese Hizbollah involvement.

You still can't seem to answer the question. Why is Fark posting at the top of every thread something that is claimed to "highly probable" that is dubious at best and so far uncorroborated by any credible sources?

I don't care who made the claim initially, and if you look at my posts I specifically am avoiding makeing this about any individual. To call it "trolling for spite' is not only unsupportable, it's cowardly and lazy.

WhyteRaven74: How else would you explain people screaming in Arabic or in Persian with Arabic accents? There aren't exactly a whole lot of ways to explain that.

True, it's not as though there's any nearby predominately Arabic-speaking countries with a history of crossborder extra-military action on behalf of the Iranian regime other than Lebanon...
 
2009-06-18 11:56:54 PM
Murkanen: Jesus All The Beer Names Are Taken: The Arab Iranian minority, for one.

I already addressed this.


Adherence to official state languages isn't as homogeneous in this part of the world as it is in the West. For example - Urdu is Pakistan's official language, but there are large swaths of the country where people don't speak or understand it at all. It tends to vary greatly by region and/or ethnicity.
 
2009-06-18 11:57:29 PM
stickmangrit: BMulligan: tetsoushima: does anybody know what drew's opinions are on this whole thing?

He's strongly in favor of selling more TF subs.

considering that in the last 12 hrs he's affixed a green armband to both the FARK and Total FARK logos, i'd say he's behind us on this. whether it's due to increased page-views or general awe at the role his site's played in all of this, i couldn't say, but if i were to abandon my cynicism for a moment and give him the benefit of being in awe of what his baby was doing in all of this, i'd postulate the latter.


I'm guessing he hasn't posted anything to specifically explain his view then? I saw the green band on the Fark logo, which obviously had to be run by him, but I guess I wanted to hear from the man himself....
 
2009-06-18 11:57:30 PM
Once again, cheers for all the nice comments, people

tetsoushima: does anybody know what drew's opinions are on this whole thing?

Trust me, he's behind us.
 
2009-06-18 11:57:38 PM
vsavatar: I'd love to open a proxy but I'm not sure I could secure it or even get it to go through my firewall.

BITTORENT CLIENT:

VUZE (new window)
 
2009-06-18 11:57:43 PM
plesiosaur: I have an available proxy server. Who do I need to email to get this info in the right hands? Thank you.

/long time lurker


me
@
austinheap.com
As one thing

Or DM austinheap on Twitter
 
2009-06-18 11:57:48 PM
Post on yahoo from Time Magazine on four scenarios that might play out.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20090618/wl_time/08599190535600
 
2009-06-18 11:57:54 PM
stickmangrit: BMulligan: tetsoushima: does anybody know what drew's opinions are on this whole thing?

He's strongly in favor of selling more TF subs.

considering that in the last 12 hrs he's affixed a green armband to both the FARK and Total FARK logos, i'd say he's behind us on this. whether it's due to increased page-views or general awe at the role his site's played in all of this, i couldn't say, but if i were to abandon my cynicism for a moment and give him the benefit of being in awe of what his baby was doing in all of this, i'd postulate the latter.


I'm a cynical bastard to be sure, but my comment was 93% tongue-in-cheek. Sorry to ruffle anyone's feathers.
 
2009-06-18 11:57:56 PM
Threadjack

Anarchangel: I still would like to see an investigation into where the money came from, and it'd be nice if physical experiments simulating the events of 9/11 could be done to make sure their findings coincide with the computer models we currently use as our explanation.


Thermal expansion and annealing of steel are well-known and in the case of the later critically important effects. In the case of thermal expansion, I'm not sure there is a physics textbook printed which doesn't have pictures of 1. the tacoma narrows bridge (resonance, 2nd order effects) 2. the space needle (center of mass) and 3. railroad tracks twisting in the desert heat (thermal expansion). Annealing, well that's probably existed nearly as long as steel at least as art if not formalized knowledge, at that might be 8000 years. Control over the phase of a material is critically important, as important as composition.

/threadjack
 
2009-06-18 11:58:00 PM
roadmarks: People wounded in the streets of Tehran, graphic:
Link (new window)


Dayum.
 
2009-06-18 11:58:04 PM
plesiosaur: I have an available proxy server. Who do I need to email to get this info in the right hands? Thank you.

/long time lurker


Send it to me[nospam-﹫-backwards]pae­h­ni­tsu­a*com

I think he is sleeping right now, though.
 
2009-06-18 11:58:40 PM
YoungSwedishBlonde: Tatsuma: ... no, no that's not what happened at all. Iranian twitters reported that they were Hizbullah. A lot of them. After a thread or two, I decided to add it to the resume as a rumour. At which point there were more and more entries about it. I held off on a long time before adding Lebanese Hamas as well and voiced that I didn't believe it at first.

I'm not the one who first brought it up, this is just a lie.

Don't even f*cking bother, Tats...these idiots are here to troll the thread just to spite you.


I've got to say, it's posts like this that make me feel like I've gone straight through the looking glass. Lol this is on Fark. Good on ya, mate.
 
2009-06-18 11:58:43 PM
Pariah.: stickmangrit: behold his badge, in all it's glory (new window)

Aaaaaaaaaand profiled.


whilst i love the idea of my work(and as the badge generator's been down for this entire event, that was a fair bit of gimping on my part) permanently placed amongst the mighty FARK profiles, i wish to be completely honest. that was my badge for these threads, and though i believe Tats approved of it, it does not come directly from him.

/realize this may be my own clawing self-doubt/hatred playing out
//still don't want my work disseminated on false pretenses
 
2009-06-18 11:58:50 PM
DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: UNC_Samurai: CommandantVonThrash: UNC_Samurai: Tatsuma iran timeline

I see he had a Wikipedia article for a little while, but really, who hasn't?

His wiki page had to be removed because it revealed Tats as The Stig.

I admit I had already imagined Clarkson introducing Tats:

"Some say he sleeps with one eye open. Some say he has three testicles and his real name is Maurice. All we know is we call him Tatsuma."


"Some say his nipples are shaped like Stars of David and that they bottle his flatulence for perfume. All we know is we call him.....the Tats."
 
2009-06-18 11:59:22 PM
Fjornir: RobertBruce: compromise

Uh, do a view source on the twitter login page and then try to spread that lie again?


I've tried logging in with firefox, chrome, and ie. none were encrypted.
 
2009-06-18 11:59:31 PM
This keeps getting overlooked, so here it is again. I would really like any comments you might have.

I sent this letter to Rachel Maddow at MSNBC, and I'm posting it here in hopes that you Farkers have more information or ideas.


Dear Ms. Maddow,

I am writing to you because your show seems to be the only mainstream program devoting real time and effort to the protests in Iran. I am hoping that you, as a media figure, will be able to use the clout that I don't have.

I know that thousands of people in the US would love to send real support to the people of Iran, rather than just watch from afar with green Twitter icons. I think that donations to the Red Crescent Society operating in Iran would be an excellent way to do this; however, there doesn't seem to be a way to send money directly. Their main website, www.rcs.ir, seems to have only one single page in English ( http://www.rcs.ir/persian/index.aspx?portalid=19 ) and the Donate Now! button doesn't work. The International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies does have an online donation page at http://donate.ifrc.org/?navid=02_02 , but a donator can't choose Iran as a destination for their contribution.

I called several American Red Cross offices for information, starting with my own local Willamette Valley chapter here in Salem, OR, and worked my way up to the national headquarters in Washington DC. I finally got to the IFRC's New York delegation to the UN before I found anyone willing to speak with any authority. The lady I spoke with said that their Iran affiliate had not requested aid, but did not seem to know anything about the internet and telephone restrictions that Iran is currently under. She was also convinced that I could donate from the rcs.ir address, which is not currently working.

Is there any way that you can address this, Ms. Maddow? Could you get the Red Crescent society to add Iran to their list of available donation targets?

Iran RCS may not have an official appeal for aid out, but there is the possibility that they simply can't put out their appeal. We all know that human rights activists are getting into serious trouble over there right now. And besides, any charitable organization can use more money.

Can you help us help them?

Thank you so very much for your time, and for your work in reporting.
 
2009-06-18 11:59:52 PM
Anaxphone: Hey Tatsuma... I have a question for you, if you would be kind enough to email me.
Anaxphone at gmail


Try sending me an email and I'll answer you tomorrow unless you're telling me it's urgent. I'm kind of thoroughly smashed right now.
 
2009-06-19 12:00:26 AM
tetsoushima: does anybody know what drew's opinions are on this whole thing?


Look at the FARK on thetop of the page & you tell me.
 
2009-06-19 12:00:39 AM
horse-pheathers: DO NOT WANT Poster Girl: UNC_Samurai: CommandantVonThrash: UNC_Samurai: Tatsuma iran timeline

I see he had a Wikipedia article for a little while, but really, who hasn't?

His wiki page had to be removed because it revealed Tats as The Stig.

I admit I had already imagined Clarkson introducing Tats:

"Some say he sleeps with one eye open. Some say he has three testicles and his real name is Maurice. All we know is we call him Tatsuma."

"Some say his nipples are shaped like Stars of David and that they bottle his flatulence for perfume. All we know is we call him.....the Tats."


He's got hassidic jerry-curls, he's so cool.
 
2009-06-19 12:00:59 AM
YoungSwedishBlonde: Biological Ali: That's a bit of a red herring, don't you think?

Assuming the claim of Lebanese Hizbollah involvement is not true, would there still be the same uproar about the summary containing that snippet if it was not written by Tatsuma?

And yes, that is a rhetorical question.


Even if one were to grant that - so what? Are we just supposed to discard Occam's Razor just because some Farkers don't like Tatsuma?
 
2009-06-19 12:01:19 AM
"Hundreds of students from universities in Tehran, Esfahan, Shiraz and many other cities have been arrested in recent days.

"Agents of theIslamic Republic' notorious Ministry of Intelligence and Security (MOIS) and their liaison center on campus, or herasat office, late on Tuesday raided the dormitory for female students at Abu-Ali Sina University in Hamedan. They assaulted the female students and arrested a number of them, dragging them on the ground into vehicles belonging to the MOIS. In another raid on the university earlier in the evening a number of other students were arrested.

"More than 30 students have thus far been arrested at this university."

Source (new window)
 
2009-06-19 12:01:24 AM
Stop, hey, what's that sound?
 
2009-06-19 12:01:34 AM
Malachesque: Thank you so very much for your time, and for your work in reporting.

I read this in a previous thread, didn't know if you'd still be around for comments (halfway down a monster thread). If there's one media member I'd ask for help and possibly expect a little pull in return on this issue, it's Rachael Maddow. Well written on your part and you did a ton of leg work on the American Red Cross and the Red Crescent. Hopefully you're email can do some good.
 
2009-06-19 12:01:35 AM
BMulligan: stickmangrit: BMulligan: tetsoushima: does anybody know what drew's opinions are on this whole thing?

He's strongly in favor of selling more TF subs.

considering that in the last 12 hrs he's affixed a green armband to both the FARK and Total FARK logos, i'd say he's behind us on this. whether it's due to increased page-views or general awe at the role his site's played in all of this, i couldn't say, but if i were to abandon my cynicism for a moment and give him the benefit of being in awe of what his baby was doing in all of this, i'd postulate the latter.

I'm a cynical bastard to be sure, but my comment was 93% tongue-in-cheek. Sorry to ruffle anyone's feathers.


no feathers ruffled. much like you, i'm not about to discount that remaining 7%, but i'll give him the benefit of the doubt on this one
 
2009-06-19 12:01:46 AM
Biological Ali: Murkanen: Jesus All The Beer Names Are Taken: The Arab Iranian minority, for one.

I already addressed this.

Adherence to official state languages isn't as homogeneous in this part of the world as it is in the West. For example - Urdu is Pakistan's official language, but there are large swaths of the country where people don't speak or understand it at all. It tends to vary greatly by region and/or ethnicity.


True, though Iran has such a strong national and cultural sense of pride in having preserved their own language despite the centuries-past arab conquest that it would be hard to imagine people there who didn't speak it.

now, people there who spoke another language PRIMARILY? Couldn't say, though it is possible if not probably. Come to think of it I think the Azerbaijani minority has their own language that they could well speak in preference to Farsi.

/shiat I was gonna go to bed.
 
2009-06-19 12:01:54 AM
richard1138: TejanoCharmander: Most of them think revolutions are "cool" but when they actually happen they think they are pointless......

Or perhaps they don't really see this as a revolution. We talked a bit about this last night, so don't really want to re-hash it, but the idea that this is a true revolution for Iran seems to exist in the minds of some of the people watching it unfold. From the best information we have available, I can't really see how this is anything more than political infighting, a rumble between political parties under the same establishment. Not making any kind of case against those who ARE excited by all this and choose to get involved, more power to 'em, just pointing out that without all the hoopla being generated by secondary actors, this just doesn't seem to be a huge, revolutionary thing...we'll see I suppose.


I am really just hoping this ends well for the people. I understand what you are saying and I have never really thought of this as a full fledged revolution. I haven't lived much and am never sure what I think and just like to watch things unfold and send my support to those I think are right to fight.
 
2009-06-19 12:02:02 AM
Philip J. Fry: I just wanted to tell you guys, I love Fark.


From your obsession with beer to your ability to completely ignore human decency in one thread and demand it in another to your ability to love beer.

I just love you guys.


You talk like a fag and your shiat's all retarded.


:)


/free Iran!
 
2009-06-19 12:02:13 AM
Hiymenator: Hopefully you're email can do some good. your email. Damn, it's getting late.
 
2009-06-19 12:02:20 AM
stickmangrit: Pariah.: stickmangrit: behold his badge, in all it's glory (new window)

Aaaaaaaaaand profiled.

whilst i love the idea of my work(and as the badge generator's been down for this entire event, that was a fair bit of gimping on my part) permanently placed amongst the mighty FARK profiles, i wish to be completely honest. that was my badge for these threads, and though i believe Tats approved of it, it does not come directly from him.

/realize this may be my own clawing self-doubt/hatred playing out
//still don't want my work disseminated on false pretenses


I figured that you made it. No worries. =)
 
2009-06-19 12:02:31 AM
roadmarks: People wounded in the streets of Tehran, graphic:

Do I hear machine gun fire in that one?
 
2009-06-19 12:02:48 AM
IMDWalrus: Which is good, because THAT'S NOT WHAT HIS POST SAYS.

That's what everyone else is basically saying though. They're deep throating every Tatsma post.

Also, Tats, I reviewed your posts you cite as support for "someone else said it first," and I gotta' tell ya', I don't see it. You are surprisingly non-specific and your links don't say what your post claims they do.

No big deal. Who said what first is the least of my argument. My main point is that it was unsupported for days, still is, and you kept putting it up there and people kept buying it.

Again, by and large yo're compiling a great deal of information and it helped me ask follow up questions and look into it deeper. It's the deeper look that made me think you were reverting to your bias in that one instance, and that one instance only. You're taking this awfully personal-like, and that's not how it's intended, although a few of your fanboys went off the deep end on the personal stuff.
 
2009-06-19 12:03:04 AM
jennyz: roadmarks: People wounded in the streets of Tehran, graphic:
Link (new window)

Dayum.


I assume that AK fire I'm hearing. shiat on a stick.
 
2009-06-19 12:03:12 AM
casey17: Look at the FARK on thetop of the page & you tell me.

When did that happen anyway? Didn't even notice it until it was pointed out.
 
2009-06-19 12:04:02 AM
I just noticed the new Fark logo. Cute. I hope they don't remove it at halftime.
 
2009-06-19 12:04:11 AM
jennyz: Tatsuma: A man leaves for a mere two hours (and ends up spending 1:45 of that explaining to his neighbours what's happening) and when he comes back, he finds out that he's got a third testicle and he's named Maurice? Well I'll be

/so anything interesting since I left?

Confirmed that Mousavi and Kourabi have told people not to show up to the prayers.

That's the main thing.


Really? This has been actually confirmed? If that's true it sets up a major showdown.
 
2009-06-19 12:04:26 AM
the lord god: roadmarks: People wounded in the streets of Tehran, graphic:

Do I hear machine gun fire in that one?


That certainly sounds like a heavier weapon than a rifle. Slow, like a .50 (which it's not) - rather than fast, like an AK.
 
2009-06-19 12:04:57 AM
chopit: jennyz: roadmarks: People wounded in the streets of Tehran, graphic:
Link (new window)

Dayum.

I assume that AK fire I'm hearing. shiat on a stick.


Yes. The Kalashnikov is the common weapon there.
 
2009-06-19 12:05:02 AM
Murkanen: Jesus All The Beer Names Are Taken: The Arab Iranian minority, for one.

I already addressed this.


Not well, and you didn;t address anything else.
 
2009-06-19 12:05:16 AM
wow:

A powerful and frightening account of a Canadian journalist mistakenly detained by the Ministry of the Interior in Iran:

"Before I knew what was happening, I was whisked away on a motorcycle to the Interior Ministry headquarters, and taken to a large basement room.Inside a concrete room to my left, I could see more than 50 others being made to stand in uncomfortable positions - on their toes with their hands pressed behind their heads. Some were covered in blood, and police with batons patrolled the rows, tapping some detainees on the shoulders with their sticks.

There was no screaming, just the sound of boots pacing on the concrete floor.

For a few terrifying hours yesterday, I was mistaken for an anti-government protester, giving me a glimpse into how the hundreds arrested over the weekend are being treated by authorities in a system where dissidents are known to "disappear" and not be seen again for months.

What was dubbed a "terrible misunderstanding" by the officers in charge has given this Canadian journalist a glimpse into the nightmare that countless Iranians are experiencing right now. When President Obama condemns the violence and human rights abuses going on in Iran, this is what he's talking about."

from here: Link (new window)
 
2009-06-19 12:05:31 AM
Tatsuma: Jesus All The Beer Names Are Taken: The way it went down here was that a tweet said there were Arab speaking Basij, and Tats made the leap to Lebanese Hezbollah.

... no, no that's not what happened at all. Iranian twitters reported that they were Hizbullah. A lot of them. After a thread or two, I decided to add it to the resume as a rumour. At which point there were more and more entries about it. I held off on a long time before adding Lebanese Hamas as well and voiced that I didn't believe it at first.

I'm not the one who first brought it up, this is just a lie.


he has a thing for lying. Hes been proven to blatantly lie in multiple threads, even about something as simple as his ignore list.. if he lies about something that noone really cares about, he'd have no compunctions about lying about you, dragging your name through the mud.

Hes a useless troll, check his creation date - he's someone's alt made specifically to troll this topic.

Just ignore him, makes life happier
 
2009-06-19 12:05:34 AM
Philip J. Fry: I just wanted to tell you guys, I love Fark.


From your obsession with beer to your ability to completely ignore human decency in one thread and demand it in another to your ability to love beer.

I just love you guys.


You said 'beer' twice
 
2009-06-19 12:05:38 AM
I has green nail polish.

I also has downloader thingy Link (clickypop)
if anyone wants to pick 'Tubie vids and compile
them and then torrent them on PersianBay.

Meow.
 
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