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seanpg71		2009-06-17 10:58:16 PM

Phillip Ondiz: Many of us are doing what is in our power to support the Iranians, but cannot imagine what life would be like if we found ourselves in a similar scenario.

My question is "what would it take for something like that to happen in America?" Are the masses so subjugated that it would never happen?

Imagine that Obama had lost 70/30. He called the results a sham and called for people to protest the results in the streets and at rallies and attended said rallies himself. Imagine that Obama called on foreign countries to not recognize the illegitimate McCain administration.

You don't think the people would hold some huge farking rallies?

Now imagine the Gov't then proceded to shut down communications and the media and started shooting people. We wouldn't just sit around quietly.

We may be complaicant - but for the most part that's because the issues poeple are debating just aren't that important.

WorldCitizen		2009-06-17 10:58:28 PM

There's a lot of Tats worship going on in Fark right now. That's fine. Tats, you're doing a great job of being our Iran information aggregator. By appearances you are doing a good job of putting together likely scenarios in a very information strapped environment and working very hard to do so. I have appreciated the information you have provided as part of what I use when trying to pull in info from multiple sources to try to figure out what is going on in Iran.

However, I fully expect to butt heads with you when this all calms down and the Israeli/Palestinian threads flow once again. There will be no worship involved there.

But I do appreciate what you and many others have been doing here to concentrate what information is coming out of Iran.

sleeps in trees		2009-06-17 10:58:37 PM

Cybernetic: sleeps in trees: Show your boobies and you get it for free.... or so I've heard.

You could try it and let us know how it works.

( . ) ( . )

/how's that?

Occam's Chainsaw		2009-06-17 10:58:41 PM

CanisNoir: the lord god: Be careful man. That almost sounds liberal.

Fark, between EsteeFlwr claiming lack of hygiene and this, I feel like I should be buying a damn hybrid next.

/ACK - I've become a Filthy Hippie!!! ;P

Take another bong rip and you'll feel a little better. ONE OF US, ONE OF US, ONE OF US!!! ~_^

nicksteel		2009-06-17 10:58:41 PM

WhyteRaven74: Since someone is curious, and tats has much better things to do than search youtube, here's L'internationale (pops) with original french lyrics

nicksteel: the vote had nothing to do with eliminating the theocracy

you realize the theocracy of Iran is nothing like that of, say, Saudi Arabia right? And that there many reform minded people within the religious establishment, who have spoken out, not just in the last few days but for years about what needs to be changed?

talk is cheap, put one of those reform minded people in charge and guess what - SSDD.

MadTheologian		2009-06-17 10:58:42 PM

For those joining this thread:

Purveyors of Twitter Disinfo (new window)

Softens_hands_while_you_do_the_dishes		2009-06-17 10:59:01 PM

Jacobin: This great man keeps coming to mind in the struggle we are watching unfold.

M. K. Gandhi

As he described in 1920 before a court of law in India, he called his methodology Satyagraha: "The term 'Satyagraha' was coined by me in South Africa ... Its root meaning is holding on to truth, hence truth-force. I have also called it love-force or soul-force. In the application of Satyagraha, I discovered in the earliest stages that pursuit of truth did not admit of violence being inflicted on one's opponent but that he must be weaned from error by patience and sympathy. For what appears to be truth to the one may appear to be error to the other. And patience means self-suffering. So the doctrine came to mean vindication of truth, not by infliction of suffering on the opponent, but on one's own self.

"But in the political field, the struggle on behalf of the people mostly consists in opposing error in the shape of unjust laws. When you have failed to bring the error home to the lawgiver by way of petitions and the like, the only remedy open to you, if you do not wish to submit to error, is to compel him by physical force to yield to you or by suffering in your own person by inviting the penalty for the breach of the law ... In my opinion, the beauty and efficacy of Satyagraha are so great and the doctrine so simple that it can be preached even to children.

I'm in awe of the bravery of these rebels

He went up against the British. This bunch of Stalinists would have fed his dik to the dogs. His sort of pacifism gets a bayonet in the gut.

WhyteRaven74		2009-06-17 10:59:02 PM

Eowunyth: This seriously is eeriely like the French Revolution over 250 years ago

You may want to shave a few years off that, more like 220 years :)

SilentStrider		2009-06-17 10:59:24 PM

CanisNoir: Look, if the Catholic Church held power even remotely like the Cleric's do in Iran, we'd have President Palin and you'd LIKE IT.

Palin is protestant, I doubt the catholic church would want anything to do with her.

nicksteel		2009-06-17 10:59:37 PM

CanisNoir: nicksteel: I think that your lack of knowledge on the subject of the Catholic Church is the real problem here.

Look, if the Catholic Church held power even remotely like the Cleric's do in Iran, we'd have President Palin and you'd LIKE IT.

Again, why are we having this conversation?

The Catholic Church in the US does not have any power to hold.

sparkeyjames		2009-06-17 10:59:37 PM

They are becoming exactly what they despised and then removed back in the late 70's. Power hungry dictators under a religious guise.

Party Boy		2009-06-17 10:59:40 PM

Biological Ali: Party Boy: Anyone been watching the various reports from Nate Silver?

I've been following them quite closely, actually. Some of the other contributors at 538 have been doing some damn good work as well.

Good stuff there. Hes been changing some of his opinions, some of which is on the quality of information.

jennyz		2009-06-17 11:00:17 PM

Oooh, TDS is on.

casey17		2009-06-17 11:00:19 PM

Recent HuffPo video of Basij "breaking stuff":

Link (new window)

jpbreon		2009-06-17 11:00:23 PM

nicksteel:
the vote had nothing to do with eliminating the theocracy. They are dying for nothing. The difference between the two candidates is minimal and then there is still that theocracy sitting on top of all of it.

I believe it does. They may not realize it just yet, but eventually they will.

It'll be a simple question - why were the votes thrown out, uncounted, or ignored?

The answer: The mullahs didn't like the results, and did what they wanted in defiance of the people, like all religious figures from Tertullian down the line always do. In that moment, the tiny spark of intellectual curiosity will begin to grow, and they'll realize their son and daughter was killed for an ancient myth intended to mimic Judaism.

I watch this struggle REALLY hoping to see this revelation in the Iranian people, so no more blood is shed.

fizzix_is_fun		2009-06-17 11:00:28 PM

Party Boy: fizzix_is_fun: hey haven't seen you post in a while. Do you have anything interesting that you've found?

Nope. I've read some stuff. Theres not a whole lot there.

I do have a grant proposal almost done. That was worth it.

I figure most of this chatter is going to be full of rampant speculation, so Im going to let the dust settle a little.

you'd be right. Although, I feel it's going to be years until the dust settles, and then the result will be whatever the victor decides it to be anyways.

Biological Ali		2009-06-17 11:00:32 PM

sleeps in trees: Cybernetic: sleeps in trees: Show your boobies and you get it for free.... or so I've heard.

You could try it and let us know how it works.

( . ) ( . )

/how's that?

Too saggy.

nicksteel		2009-06-17 11:00:35 PM

RevCarter: The vote had nothing to do with eliminating the theocracy. The subsequent riots do.

sure they do. Who told you that??

Iranians.

Really? The ones out in the streets?

somedude210		2009-06-17 11:00:52 PM

wow...nice to know that when the sun goes down in Iran, the fark thread about them turns into any other fark thread.

there must be some formula or something that shows the bigger the news story, the more threads it takes before eventually dissolving into our typical fark threads

Dire		2009-06-17 11:01:01 PM

AliasUndercover: EsteeFlwrPot: Geez have you farkers even been outside the past 5 days?

No, the game is on.

They're using some kind of code.... Words like "bank heist, Crapgame, Big Joe... Little Joe, Oddball--"

/Get the hell out of here! We've got the game on!

IXI Jim IXI		2009-06-17 11:01:20 PM

eqtworld: you guys just got so pwnd

come on, admit it

pwnd

Well, sure can't keep up with Tats...

Tatsuma		2009-06-17 11:01:22 PM

WhyteRaven74: here's L'internationale (pops) with original french lyrics

I've been humming that more than I should have this last week

mephyt: I'm trying to figure that one out for myself right now. I don't know that they're trying to get rid of the religious yoke over their shoulders right now. Maybe they are though, I hope so. This is getting more confusing as I'm having a chance to sit and think about it....

Tatsuma? What you think, good sir?

They are not trying to overthrow the Theocracy and establish a secular democracy. What they are trying is to establish a moderate Muslim state, where Mosque and State are separated, and women as well as other non-Muslim minorities have equal rights, that drops its belligerency and anti-Western politics.

I don't think we possibly could be asking for more right now. This is the dream right here.

IronTony		2009-06-17 11:01:25 PM

Oh, we needed another sign for the end of days? A Tats centric thread is not anti-Israel PLUS has an anti-Catholic subthread.

Amazing.

CanisNoir		2009-06-17 11:01:26 PM

SilentStrider: Palin is protestant, I doubt the catholic church would want anything to do with her.

*snaps fingers*

See, I knew I was turning into a filthy hippie, already I'm easily proven wrong ;P

jopyfarks		2009-06-17 11:01:39 PM

This is what we call

A voter mullah Twitter prattle battle

(among other, more serious things)

Ms.Maus		2009-06-17 11:01:49 PM

Party Boy: greentea1985: This thread has helped me expand my favorites and ignored lists. You're now on the favorites, jpbreon is now on the ignored along with other people.

Has this degenerated into groupthink or something?

i haven't added any favorites - but i did filter out some threadshiatters earlier. since i;d never used my ignore list, it'll be easy enough to clear out in a couple days and watch the usual folks do their thing.

i do have to say, it is nice seeing so many people that usually tear each other's throats out being civil, nay - friendly, with one another.

Cybernetic		2009-06-17 11:02:06 PM

Eowunyth: This seriously is eeriely like the French Revolution over 250 years ago. Could this be the Iranian version also?

It depends. Do they have a language, or just a stupid accent?

Party Boy		2009-06-17 11:02:07 PM

fizzix_is_fun: Party Boy: fizzix_is_fun: hey haven't seen you post in a while. Do you have anything interesting that you've found?

Nope. I've read some stuff. Theres not a whole lot there.

I do have a grant proposal almost done. That was worth it.

I figure most of this chatter is going to be full of rampant speculation, so Im going to let the dust settle a little.

you'd be right. Although, I feel it's going to be years until the dust settles, and then the result will be whatever the victor decides it to be anyways.

Maybe.

Softens_hands_while_you_do_the_dishes		2009-06-17 11:02:15 PM

I find it curious that Ahmadinejad can be in Russia right now getting advice from Putin but we can't say shiat to help the people of Iran? WTF is up with that? We ought to be stoking this motherfarker at this point. These people obviously want to go western. Can't have that and the Russians might even drop in a brigade of harden troops if push came to shove.

RevCarter		2009-06-17 11:02:19 PM

nicksteel: RevCarter: The vote had nothing to do with eliminating the theocracy. The subsequent riots do.

sure they do. Who told you that??

Iranians.

Really? The ones out in the streets?

Yup...

AliasUndercover		2009-06-17 11:02:20 PM

Dire: AliasUndercover: EsteeFlwrPot: Geez have you farkers even been outside the past 5 days?

No, the game is on.

They're using some kind of code.... Words like "bank heist, Crapgame, Big Joe... Little Joe, Oddball--"

/Get the hell out of here! We've got the game on!

SOMEONE GETS IT!
HOORAY!!!!!!

/I love that movie...

SilentStrider		2009-06-17 11:02:25 PM

CanisNoir: See, I knew I was turning into a filthy hippie, already I'm easily proven wrong ;P

its ok man, we forgive you.

seamus james		2009-06-17 11:02:27 PM

WhyteRaven74: Since someone is curious, and tats has much better things to do than search youtube, here's L'internationale (pops) with original french lyrics

nicksteel: the vote had nothing to do with eliminating the theocracy

you realize the theocracy of Iran is nothing like that of, say, Saudi Arabia right? And that there many reform minded people within the religious establishment, who have spoken out, not just in the last few days but for years about what needs to be changed?

If your president says that god tells him what to do, and he only listens to other people who say the same thing, you might be living in a theocracy.

Tatsuma		2009-06-17 11:02:30 PM

WorldCitizen: There's a lot of Tats worship going on in Fark right now. That's fine. Tats, you're doing a great job of being our Iran information aggregator. By appearances you are doing a good job of putting together likely scenarios in a very information strapped environment and working very hard to do so. I have appreciated the information you have provided as part of what I use when trying to pull in info from multiple sources to try to figure out what is going on in Iran.

However, I fully expect to butt heads with you when this all calms down and the Israeli/Palestinian threads flow once again. There will be no worship involved there.

But I do appreciate what you and many others have been doing here to concentrate what information is coming out of Iran.

And I would expect nor want anything less than that.

Thank you very much for all your kind words, everyone else as well.

Mentat		2009-06-17 11:02:36 PM

Jon Stewart leads off with the Obama fly swat. OUTRAGE

/Dan Rather for the win!

casey17		2009-06-17 11:02:44 PM

The anonymous Twitter Proxy at has been blocked in Iran. went offline. #iranelection #gr88

1 min ago· Reply · Retweet · View twee

nicksteel		2009-06-17 11:02:45 PM

jpbreon: nicksteel:
the vote had nothing to do with eliminating the theocracy. They are dying for nothing. The difference between the two candidates is minimal and then there is still that theocracy sitting on top of all of it.

I believe it does. They may not realize it just yet, but eventually they will.

It'll be a simple question - why were the votes thrown out, uncounted, or ignored?

The answer: The mullahs didn't like the results, and did what they wanted in defiance of the people, like all religious figures from Tertullian down the line always do. In that moment, the tiny spark of intellectual curiosity will begin to grow, and they'll realize their son and daughter was killed for an ancient myth intended to mimic Judaism.

I watch this struggle REALLY hoping to see this revelation in the Iranian people, so no more blood is shed.

Oppressed people seldom win in this sort of a fight. Lots of people will die, but very little is going to change.

ScreamingInDigital		2009-06-17 11:02:46 PM

jennyz: Oooh, TDS is on.

Man, that guy is a pussy.

jennyz		2009-06-17 11:02:54 PM

Dan Rather just called Jon Stewart a pussy... ROF

Hobodeluxe		2009-06-17 11:03:12 PM

Dan Rather just called Jon Stewart a pussy

eqtworld		2009-06-17 11:03:23 PM

CanisNoir: eqtworld: That's ok, I am used to suffering with Anonymous

Seriously, not trying to rain on your parade, just trying to be slightly historically accurate. We didn't have a whole lot of help in all honesty.

Social networking sites have played major roles in several recent uprisings; the fact that Iran has been threatening to nuke up has kept them in the World Spotlight, causing this one to be much more highly visible than the rest. Nobody is diminishing the role these services are playing and to be sure it has opened peoples eyes who weren't previously open, just don't over do it.

So the French didn't help us; but we are helping Iran via Twitter, but less than the little help the French did not give?

jennyz		2009-06-17 11:03:29 PM

jennyz: ROF

Erm, ROFL.

nicksteel		2009-06-17 11:03:48 PM

RevCarter: nicksteel: RevCarter: The vote had nothing to do with eliminating the theocracy. The subsequent riots do.

sure they do. Who told you that??

Iranians.

Really? The ones out in the streets?

Yup...

Are you in Iran? Are you out on the streets? How many people told you this??

Lt. Cheese Weasel		2009-06-17 11:03:49 PM

nicksteel: Lt. Cheese Weasel: nicksteel: xaks: nicksteel: xaks: jpbreon: nicksteel:

and how are they pissing on you??

To start...

1) Fiscal irresponsibility
2) gay/lesbian discrimination
3) rules about what you can put in your body, what you can wear, what you can say, what you can do, where you can live, whether you can put a 7 foot shallow swimming pool in your backyard or not

The US Government is one of the most interfering and insufferable organizations on earth. Thomas Paine would be disgusted.

The US gov't has NOTHING on the catholic church or muslim sect. Most organized religions have the US government in 'biatch' status for insufferable, interfering, corrupt, yada yada.

The Catholic Church is interfering and insufferable?? How so?

You're either not from the US, being intentionally obtuse, a flaming idiot and possibly retarded, or a churchgoer, right?

Look, I'm not gonna bring this up in here again, it'll start a derail we don't need. Consider my comment withdrawn until a more suitable thread presents itself. I don't like it, but this isn't the time or place for such a comment and I shouldn't have said it, in hindsight...regardless of its accuracy.

I was a Catholic, I no longer participate. The Catholic Church in the USA is about as interfering as a fence post. Insufferable?? Not that either.

Your religious indoctrination/brainwashing means crap. Go Away.

I think that your lack of knowledge on the subject of the Catholic Church is the real problem here.

*Must resist...must n o t give i in must deflect...m u s t *

Tatsuma		2009-06-17 11:03:54 PM

somedude210: wow...nice to know that when the sun goes down in Iran, the fark thread about them turns into any other fark thread.

It's not so much that the sun went down, more like the lack of news and major events from Iran right now

TeddyRooseveltsMustache		2009-06-17 11:03:55 PM

Hobodeluxe: Dan Rather just called Jon Stewart a pussy

That was awesome.

Mentat		2009-06-17 11:04:03 PM

Hobodeluxe: Dan Rather just called Jon Stewart a pussy

Do you hear that Iran! Jon Stewart is a pussy! Know hope!

exempli gratis		2009-06-17 11:04:07 PM

Tatsuma: ravenlore: Tatsuma when this is over, promise me you'll get a good night's sleep.

Well, Shabbos is coming up, so I expect a nice 8 hours and then a good 5 hours nap during the day

Not how you roll?

sleeps in trees		2009-06-17 11:04:21 PM

Good god you people. I've had Nicksteel highlited as a troll for months. If there's a thread he trolls it. To be honest it's kind of funny because he is so bad at it.

Instructions:

Click on "Nicksteel"
Highlite in orange (clown colour)
Put "troll and a really bad one" beside his name
Move on