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2009-06-17 11:27:12 PM
Well, don't you understand?

Hannity, O'Reilly, Beck, Limbaugh, they're all ENTERTAINERS. They can say anything about anyone. They don't need any standards, and they don't have any responsibilities.

David Letterman is a MEMBER OF THE MEDIA. And worse yet, he's a COMEDIAN. And don't you understand that liberals get all their NEWS from COMEDIANS in the MEDIA? If he says anything obscene, it's a farking affront to everything American!
 
2009-06-18 12:00:03 AM
Just a reminder: when a comedian, whose nightly monologue proves he's obsessed with a certian politician, jokes about a 14-year-old girl being raped by an athlete this month, it's okay because her mother holds political opinions that he finds offensive; when a right-wing talk show host says something liberals don't understand as part of his political commentary over the last few years, it's evidence of a horrible double standard.
 
2009-06-18 12:03:45 AM
playblu: Just a reminder: when a comedian, whose nightly monologue proves he's obsessed with a certian politician, jokes about a 14-year-old girl being raped by an athlete this month, it's okay because her mother holds political opinions that he finds offensive; when a right-wing talk show host says something liberals don't understand as part of his political commentary over the last few years, it's evidence of a horrible double standard.

this... I read all those horrible quotes and I didn't see any making jokes about sex with 14 year old children.

And don't even think about the quotes from DU or KOS kids. They are all clean and above reproach, too.
 
2009-06-18 12:17:20 AM
I love that this issue has the die hard republicans frothing instead of actually doing something to save their party. Yes... the problem you need to address is the abuse of poor innocent Sarah Palin. You focus on that and we'll take care of the important things.

And please continue having the babymamma stumping for the importance of "abstinence only" education. It proves the ineffectiveness of Republican policy better to the public than any democrat could.
 
2009-06-18 12:40:36 AM
Yeah, if Rush says it it's just a joke. Can't you libtards take a joke?
 
2009-06-18 01:04:47 AM
real shaman: this... I read all those horrible quotes and I didn't see any making jokes about sex with 14 year old children.

The gassing the jews one isn't great.
 
2009-06-18 01:34:58 AM
playblu: Just a reminder: when a comedian, whose nightly monologue proves he's obsessed with a certian politician, jokes about a 14-year-old girl being raped by an athlete this month, it's okay because her mother holds political opinions that he finds offensive; when a right-wing talk show host says something liberals don't understand as part of his political commentary over the last few years, it's evidence of a horrible double standard.

real shaman: I read all those horrible quotes and I didn't see any making jokes about sex with 14 year old children.

And don't even think about the quotes from DU or KOS kids. They are all clean and above reproach, too.


Wow, some of you people here are really over thedge, too. The joke wasn't that bad.
Well, I always say if a 14 year old can't take a joke, fark 'em.
 
2009-06-18 02:30:56 AM
playblu: jokes about a 14-year-old girl being raped by an athlete

Where do you people get this "rape" thing? It wasn't in the joke.
The phrase used was "knocked up", which means to become pregnant.

But, by all means, keep lying if it beefs up your otherwise non-existent case. That's the wharbblgarbbl way.
 
2009-06-18 02:37:24 AM
playblu: Just a reminder: when a comedian, whose nightly monologue proves he's obsessed with a certian politician, jokes about a 14-year-old girl being raped by an athlete this month, it's okay because her mother holds political opinions that he finds offensive; when a right-wing talk show host says something liberals don't understand as part of his political commentary over the last few years, it's evidence of a horrible double standard.

Wow, that's a plate full of fail, with a side of stupid.
 
2009-06-18 02:40:05 AM
And let's keep saying it was directed at a 14 year and not an 18 year so we can add that extra outrage factor.



Reality. Let me show you it. ...please?
 
2009-06-18 02:43:04 AM
Remember, folks - this isn't a battle between left and right, it's between smart and stupid.
It just so happens the lion's share of stupid is on the right.

A big part of the reason the GOP's slow death has been fast-tracked is that we're now an information-saturated culture; the old tried and true Republican formula of half-truths and gut reactions get refuted and lambasted almost immediately.
 
2009-06-18 02:43:05 AM
Conservatives can incite violence but when a comedian makes a bad joke it's outrage time!!!

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2009-06-18 02:43:40 AM
playblu: Just a reminder: when a comedian, whose nightly monologue proves he's obsessed with a certian politician, jokes about a 14-year-old girl being raped by an athlete this month,

It means you're a liar or Yet Another Troll. Either way, fark off.
 
2009-06-18 02:45:05 AM
Procedural Texture: Where do you people get this "rape" thing? It wasn't in the joke.

Sex by an adult with a 14 year old (which was what the joke literally meant) is statutory rape.

Letterman thought the joke was about Palin's 18 year old daughter.
 
2009-06-18 02:45:40 AM
Music. Keep it up, Wharrspouters.
 
2009-06-18 02:45:51 AM
Looks like the 2:35 is pulling into the station right on time

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2009-06-18 02:46:16 AM
Bloody William: Well, don't you understand?

Hannity, O'Reilly, Beck, Limbaugh, they're all ENTERTAINERS. They can say anything about anyone. They don't need any standards, and they don't have any responsibilities.

David Letterman is a MEMBER OF THE MEDIA. And worse yet, he's a COMEDIAN. And don't you understand that liberals get all their NEWS from COMEDIANS in the MEDIA? If he says anything obscene, it's a farking affront to everything American!


Hah! Exactly.

This is an absolutely PERFECT example of the clear double standard in the media where "conservatives" and the right aren't only expected to be aggressive and vicious, they are rewarded for it with invitations and appearance while lefties who use similar rhetoric far less often and that's usually less offensive are the "fringe" who are to be looked down upon and not treated as "serious" people.

Limbaugh, Savage, etc. have audiences approaching the size that Letterman does (if not outright beating it), they say things FAR worse than this several times an hour, and the media laugh it off:

"Ho ho ho, oh that Rush!"
 
2009-06-18 02:46:26 AM
Klingon Penis: Remember, folks - this isn't a battle between left and right, it's between smart and stupid.
It just so happens the lion's share of stupid is on the right.


I'm beginning to wonder if we're actually hiding our stupid lefty members at this point. I mean, we've got a few Bachmann-level nutjobs on our side. Are we just tazing them if they make noise now?
 
2009-06-18 02:46:41 AM
real shaman: this... I read all those horrible quotes and I didn't see any making jokes about sex with 14 year old children.

I didn't see any jokes about sex with 14 year old children in Letterman's act, either.
 
2009-06-18 02:47:31 AM
helix400: Procedural Texture: Where do you people get this "rape" thing? It wasn't in the joke.

Sex by an adult with a 14 year old (which was what the joke literally meant) is statutory rape.

Letterman thought the joke was about Palin's 18 year old daughter.


Considering Letterman (or his staff) wrote the joke, it WAS about the 18 year old daughter. The disingenuous Sarah Palin is the one who focussed it on her younger sprog.
 
2009-06-18 02:50:10 AM
Well when David Letterman did it he ended up with better ratings. When Don Imus did it he ended up out of a job.
 
2009-06-18 02:50:16 AM
Wouldn't it be awesome if the 14-year-old got knocked up in the near future?

That would totally make my decade.
 
2009-06-18 02:50:26 AM
RevMercutio: I'm beginning to wonder if we're actually hiding our stupid lefty members at this point. I mean, we've got a few Bachmann-level nutjobs on our side. Are we just tazing them if they make noise now?

I think they're somewhat placated by having a center-left president and congress in power instead of the hard righties of the previous 6-8 years -- but someone from PETA or something will occasionally pop their heads up and complain about a swatted fly and the like.
 
2009-06-18 02:50:45 AM
Am I the only one who doesn't even know what the joke was?
 
2009-06-18 02:52:17 AM
playblu: Just a reminder: when a comedian, whose nightly monologue proves he's obsessed with a certian politician, jokes about a 14-year-old girl being raped by an athlete this month, it's okay because her mother holds political opinions that he finds offensive; when a right-wing talk show host says something liberals don't understand as part of his political commentary over the last few years, it's evidence of a horrible double standard.

Anyone with half a brain cell knew he was talking about Bristol, not Willow. You know, the girl who is a nice legal 18 years old and was, incidentally, knocked up by a clueless hockey player.
 
2009-06-18 02:55:25 AM
helix400: Procedural Texture: Where do you people get this "rape" thing? It wasn't in the joke.

Sex by an adult with a 14 year old (which was what the joke literally meant) is statutory rape.

Letterman thought the joke was about Palin's 18 year old daughter.


Damn you fell for the talking point he was talking about her 14 year old? Even my 52 year old non political mom got the joke.
 
2009-06-18 02:55:53 AM
xbattlewax: Well when David Letterman did it he ended up with better ratings. When Don Imus did it he ended up out of a job.

Uhuh, because they both made the exact same mistake. Riiiiight...
 
2009-06-18 02:57:37 AM
DalaiLamaDingDong: Am I the only one who doesn't even know what the joke was?

meh I wouldn't bother, it wasn't particularly funny nor offensive, but of course republicans don't understand comedy.

They have Dennis Miller...
 
2009-06-18 02:58:15 AM
RevMercutio:
Considering Letterman (or his staff) wrote the joke, it WAS about the 18 year old daughter. The disingenuous Sarah Palin is the one who focussed it on her younger sprog.


I am completely floored in how Palin managed to turn this onto her younger daughter instead of the target anyone with cognitive ability should have known it was.

To me, it's like telling someone "No offense, but your shoes are ugly," only to have them reply "How DARE you say my dress is made for old french whores! This is an outrage and you will hear about our fifteen personprotest in Vogue!"
 
2009-06-18 02:58:56 AM

8) Syndicated radio host Neal Boortz, for describing welfare recipients as "human parasitic garbage lining up to get their applications to loot."



When I read this I thought of coding a bot to harvest xp and loot for me on old text-based Dikumud variant.
 
2009-06-18 02:59:54 AM
Klingon Penis: RevMercutio: I'm beginning to wonder if we're actually hiding our stupid lefty members at this point. I mean, we've got a few Bachmann-level nutjobs on our side. Are we just tazing them if they make noise now?

I think they're somewhat placated by having a center-left president and congress in power instead of the hard righties of the previous 6-8 years -- but someone from PETA or something will occasionally pop their heads up and complain about a swatted fly and the like.


The same thing happens when we have a right wing president. We all noticed increased wharrgarbl(and violence) from the the right under Clinton/Obama. And less under Bush etc.
 
2009-06-18 03:01:10 AM
And really what is wrong with a MLB player knocking up a 14 year old? It's kind of like giving an autograph. She can sell the kid on eBay, and the beauty of it is the ease of authentication, a problem with other memorabilia.
 
2009-06-18 03:01:27 AM
Shadowknight: RevMercutio:
Considering Letterman (or his staff) wrote the joke, it WAS about the 18 year old daughter. The disingenuous Sarah Palin is the one who focussed it on her younger sprog.

I am completely floored in how Palin managed to turn this onto her younger daughter instead of the target anyone with cognitive ability should have known it was.

To me, it's like telling someone "No offense, but your shoes are ugly," only to have them reply "How DARE you say my dress is made for old french whores! This is an outrage and you will hear about our fifteen personprotest in Vogue!"


She is a grade A attention whore who is in need of some publicity.

Hard to imagine this biatch was once a vice presidential nominee and is now in a p.r. battle with a comedian.
 
2009-06-18 03:02:48 AM
SeismicJizzer: Damn you fell for the talking point he was talking about her 14 year old? Even my 52 year old non political mom got the joke.

I got both sides of the joke. Palin was traveling to New York with her 14 year old daughter. The joke was about an awkward moment where a Yankees player knocked up the daughter.

It was obvious to me though the joke got the details wrong, and they were referring to the 18 year old daughter who recently got pregnant.
 
2009-06-18 03:03:40 AM
I'm still trying to figure out how people didn't think he was talking about Bristol. I happen to think that a politician's kids are off-limits because they didn't do anything other than pick the wrong cooter to come sliding out of. That being said, he wasn't talking about the jailbait daughter, he was talking about the one who's already popped out a brat.


Letterman doesn't like Sarah Palin (who does?) but I don't really think he'd go after the 14 year old.
 
2009-06-18 03:08:57 AM
Somehow, saying that syndicated radio hosts are the de-facto leaders of the Republican party seems disingenuous to me.

The problem is that the party lacks a real leading voice at the moment, not that it listens to the media; it's just that Limbaugh et al are the most vocal members, and therefore the most visible on the stage of public opinion. Saying that the radio hosts are running the show is a little like saying that Al Gore and Air America ran the show for the Democrats during the Bush years.
 
2009-06-18 03:10:18 AM
*Sigh*

It's pretty farking simple. Palin has more than one daughter. One is legal and has a kid (though she wasn't legal when she got knocked up), one isn't and doesn't. Letterman made a joke generically about her daughter being with her, obviously intending the older daughter, but in fact only her younger daughter was with her. This is basically either Letterman being wrong about something or simply bending the truth for the sake of a joke. Which, guess farking what, IS WHAT COMEDIANS DO! And he even farking apologized for it.

And, just for bonus:

"Who says rape isn't funny? fark YOU I THINK IT'S HILARIOUS!"
 
2009-06-18 03:11:03 AM
The horses have left the barn on this one. Letterman moves on and so should anybody else tired of the Palin AWing. You've got a group of people (Palin supporters, conservatives, "good taste" watchdogs) who would stop at nothing to get one up on their political other. David Letterman didn't even try to give them that chance, but they twisted all things logic and reasoning to get the talking point and that's that. Never mind that anybody with two brain cells and a modicum of a sense of humor understands that he meant the joke for the 18 year old. Never mind the several apologies he's made on the subject. The joke was told and now you're never ever going to get them off the cries of "CHILD RAPIST!" "SEX WITH 14-YEAR-OLD GIRLS!" "RAPES WITH HIS MOUTH."

And I'd bet good money that if you hook them up to a polygraph, most of them would admit that they know the joke was for Bristol. But why let the truth get in the way of good outrage? Ah well.
 
2009-06-18 03:11:08 AM
dySWN: Somehow, saying that syndicated radio hosts are the de-facto leaders of the Republican party seems disingenuous to me.

The problem is that the party lacks a real leading voice at the moment, not that it listens to the media; it's just that Limbaugh et al are the most vocal members, and therefore the most visible on the stage of public opinion. Saying that the radio hosts are running the show is a little like saying that Al Gore and Air America ran the show for the Democrats during the Bush years.


I don't remember Howard Dean apologizing to Al Franken for criticizing his radical leftist views.
 
2009-06-18 03:16:26 AM
playblu: when a comedian, whose nightly monologue proves he's obsessed with a certian politician

What does Jay Leno's obsession with Bill Clinton have to do with this?
 
2009-06-18 03:16:45 AM
dySWN: Somehow, saying that syndicated radio hosts are the de-facto leaders of the Republican party seems disingenuous to me.

If members of the party didn't sound as idiotic as talk-show hosts, I'd agree with you.
 
2009-06-18 03:21:30 AM
tryptik: dySWN: Somehow, saying that syndicated radio hosts are the de-facto leaders of the Republican party seems disingenuous to me.

If members of the party didn't sound as idiotic as talk-show hosts, I'd agree with you.


It's only idiotic if it doesn't agree with you, amirite?
 
2009-06-18 03:22:47 AM
ghare: Wow, that's a plate full of fail, with a side of stupid.

Thread over.

You are my hero..
 
2009-06-18 03:25:34 AM
dySWN: tryptik: dySWN: Somehow, saying that syndicated radio hosts are the de-facto leaders of the Republican party seems disingenuous to me.

If members of the party didn't sound as idiotic as talk-show hosts, I'd agree with you.

It's only idiotic if it doesn't agree with you, amirite?


If it doesn't agree with me on things like "There wasn't a link between Iraq and 9/11" and "Evolution happened" and "Homosexuals are not evil and deserve equal rights" then yeah, I'd say it's idiotic.

Not all opinions are purely subjective, some can be evaluated against facts.
 
2009-06-18 03:27:21 AM
crab66: The same thing happens when we have a right wing president. We all noticed increased wharrgarbl(and violence) from the the right under Clinton/Obama. And less under Bush etc.

What people aren't seeing right now is that electing a black President is the equivalent socially of LBJ signing the Civil Rights Act in the 60s.

LBJ said (privately) that signing it meant losing the South for generations, and he was right. The Obama presidency is a similar sea change, only in the opposite direction - and what sort of counterattack does the GOP come up with? Red-baiting that went out of style with Sen. McCarthy and the House Un-American Activities Committee. No wonder they're lost.

The GOP, in its current incarnation, either has to change or die. Chances are they'll be back in power in another decade or two, but in a more moderate form.
 
2009-06-18 03:28:56 AM
dySWN: It's only idiotic if it doesn't agree with you, amirite?

Not at all. Two examples that come to mind are Michele Bachman's "re-education camps", and the Republicans getting offended that the Dept. of Homeland security identified right-wing extremism as a source of domestic terrorism, to the extent that they asked for an apology (the left wing did not ask for one regarding a similar report about left-wing extremism).

The hour is late, and I am tired, but I am confident I can find more. Michael Steele's cow-towing to Rush is pretty damning, as well.
 
2009-06-18 03:28:58 AM
playblu: Just a reminder: when a comedian, whose nightly monologue proves he's obsessed with a certian politician, jokes about a 14-year-old girl being raped by an athlete this month, it's okay because her mother holds political opinions that he finds offensive; when a right-wing talk show host says something liberals don't understand as part of his political commentary over the last few years, it's evidence of a horrible double standard.

This; although I don't think the mainstream CNN/MSNBC liberals will agree with you.
 
2009-06-18 03:33:04 AM
All I see in this thread is a bunch of malcontent lefties going "waah!" "waah!" "waah!"

Pussies. You can dish it out but you can't take.
 
2009-06-18 03:35:53 AM
xaveth: This; although I don't think the mainstream CNN/MSNBC liberals will agree with you.

Isn't it exhausting being paranoid about the commies every minute of every day?
 
2009-06-18 03:38:40 AM
skunkmasher: All I see in this thread is a bunch of malcontent lefties going "waah!" "waah!" "waah!"

Pussies. You can dish it out but you can't take.


So, wait, conservatives are outraged about what a comedian said, but we're the ones who can't take it?

Our comedians are just better than yours is the problem. I mean, you're got PJ O'Rourke and. . . Uh, Christopher Buckley voted for Obama. . . You've got one good comedian.
 
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