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2009-06-18 08:59:18 AM
Scerpes: I remember the outcry after Don Imus made a joke about 5 adult black women being whores.


He called them ho's

Which is even moar worser, because it is a combo of racism and sexism.

We all know only a wise Latino woman is capable of coming to that conclusion. Imus is a white male, therefore pure evil.
 
2009-06-18 08:59:39 AM
DarnoKonrad: And per the context of where I was posting, No, white justices would never be questioned if they knew what America was all about.


But keep defending that kind of rhetoric and wonder why the republican party is just a bunch of pissy resentful old white dudes, tea baggers, and Palinphiles.


When you claim to make a better decision because of your race and gender, then yes...it's reasonable to question whether you really know what America is all about.
 
2009-06-18 09:01:36 AM
OMG YOU LIBRULS R SO POLITICLY CORECT!!1
 
2009-06-18 09:02:01 AM
Kierkegaard's Pseudonym: Michelle Obama is made fun of all the time. She looks like a man. She looks like a horse.


That is not actually the animal that comes to mind.
 
2009-06-18 09:03:00 AM
The Great EZE: "RAPES WITH HIS MOUTH."

At least he didn't tie her to the radiator first.
 
2009-06-18 09:03:34 AM
Jackpot777: If what KeiserSoze says is accurate, and if Levi and Bristol had sex between his 18th and her 18th, then yes. It's a 40lb box of rape.

Not in Alaska, it's not.
 
2009-06-18 09:04:01 AM
Phil Herup: Jackpot777: Ah, I see your master Limbaugh has taught you well. In the face of embarrassment, claim it was just a joke.

Saying it's a joke doesn't make it a joke. You do know that, right?



If you actually think that, that is sad. The paint is not even dry on last week's Sotomayor and "context" bullshiat, and you still missed it, and looks like you still are.


Also.. what embarrasment? Where?

If anyone should be embarrassed it is defenders of this worthless Media Matters crapola. I think it is funny to watch the flailing.


I will ask the same question, but I'll phrase it using other words. What is 'embarrasment'? It's not in any dictionary I have.

If you're trying to make a joke about context, and context means the use of words (and their specific meaning) in a phrase or sentence ...and then you spell the words wrong (so they HAVE no meaning or context)...

i252.photobucket.com

...I guess you don't know when the joke's on you.
 
2009-06-18 09:06:10 AM
Scerpes: DarnoKonrad: And per the context of where I was posting, No, white justices would never be questioned if they knew what America was all about.


But keep defending that kind of rhetoric and wonder why the republican party is just a bunch of pissy resentful old white dudes, tea baggers, and Palinphiles.

When you claim to make a better decision because of your race and gender, then yes...it's reasonable to question whether you really know what America is all about.


You just moved the goal posts. Boring Scerpes.

Don't claim I took Graham out of context if you want to discuss her quote.

Which BTW, is a case of taking something out of context becasue she qualified her statement with "who hasn't lived that life" To ignore that, as you have, is dishonest debate.


Latinas know something about being latinas that white dudes don't. Just like Justice Roberts knows something about being Catholic that a Protestant wouldn't have a clue about. It's a reasonable statement. To say nothing about the speech she was giving was about being an impartial jurist. That's context for you.
 
2009-06-18 09:06:24 AM
shastacola:
I could if Michelle Obama dressed like Tammy Wynette and had a teenaged daughter (who attended Harper Vally Jr. High) who got herself pregnant while Mommy preached the holy truth of abstinence to her holy roller fanclub. Do you really not see the difference?


How about the fact that Michelle's husband is a coke head who lectures about responsibility? Or the fact that her husband lectures about global warming while taking a private jet for a night out on the town? Or the fact that she thinks "America is a downright mean country" while her aunt in law is being allowed to live here illegally on the public dime? Or the fact that they are sending their kids to an expensive private school while not supporting efforts to allow other families to do the same? I know, I know saying those things is racist. Face it. Michelle Obama could take a shiat on an American flag on the White House lawn at high noon and the White House press corp would marvel at how perfectly shaped her turds are.
 
2009-06-18 09:08:32 AM
Hang On Voltaire: I know, I know saying those things is racist. Face it. Michelle Obama could take a shiat on an American flag on the White House lawn at high noon and the White House press corp would marvel at how perfectly shaped her turds are.

What was the word you guys used? I think you have Michelle Derangement Syndrome.
 
2009-06-18 09:08:35 AM
Jackpot777: ...I guess you don't know when the joke's on you.



whatever... so I made speeling misstakes


Have fun being a Nazi, I guess if you got nuthin else go with it.
 
2009-06-18 09:09:16 AM
DarnoKonrad: You just moved the goal posts. Boring Scerpes.

Don't claim I took Graham out of context if you want to discuss her quote.

Which BTW, is a case of taking something out of context becasue she qualified her statement with "who hasn't lived that life" To ignore that, as you have, is dishonest debate.


Latinas know something about being latinas that white dudes don't. Just like Justice Roberts knows something about being Catholic that a Protestant wouldn't have a clue about. It's a reasonable statement. To say nothing about the speech she was giving was about being an impartial jurist. That's context for you.


Ah...if only I had quoted her, like you "quoted" Graham yesterday.

And, if she was truly trying to be an impartial jurist, her race/gender would have nothing to do with it.
 
2009-06-18 09:11:24 AM
DarnoKonrad: Latinas know something about being latinas that white dudes don't. Just like Justice Roberts knows something about being Catholic that a Protestant wouldn't have a clue about. It's a reasonable statement. To say nothing about the speech she was giving was about being an impartial jurist. That's context for you.

And if Roberts had ever said that an old, white, Catholic man would make a better decision, you'd have crucified him for it.

Your partisanship. It's showing.
 
2009-06-18 09:11:26 AM
Scerpes: And, if she was truly trying to be an impartial jurist, her race/gender would have nothing to do with it.

She's not arguing her race/gender. She's arguing her experience. Would you say her experience has nothing to do with it too?
 
2009-06-18 09:12:25 AM
Scerpes: DarnoKonrad: Latinas know something about being latinas that white dudes don't. Just like Justice Roberts knows something about being Catholic that a Protestant wouldn't have a clue about. It's a reasonable statement. To say nothing about the speech she was giving was about being an impartial jurist. That's context for you.

And if Roberts had ever said that an old, white, Catholic man would make a better decision, you'd have crucified him for it.

Your partisanship. It's showing.


Okay, you need to go back and re-learn English, because clearly you don't understand enough of it to get what's going on.
 
2009-06-18 09:12:50 AM
cameroncrazy1984: Scerpes: And, if she was truly trying to be an impartial jurist, her race/gender would have nothing to do with it.

She's not arguing her race/gender. She's arguing her experience. Would you say her experience has nothing to do with it too?


She's arguing that because of her race/gender, her experience would lead her to a better decision. A decision better than that which a white male would reach. That's a problem.
 
2009-06-18 09:13:51 AM
Scerpes: She's arguing that because of her race/gender, her experience would lead her to a better decision. A decision better than that which a white male would reach. That's a problem.

..on racial discrimination issues. Once again, you do not understand context. Jesus how did you ever pass reading comprehension?
 
2009-06-18 09:17:06 AM
Scerpes: Ah...if only I had quoted her, like you "quoted" Graham yesterday.

That doesn't make sense Scerpes. Are you capable of making a coherent argument? Or just being simply contrarin?

Scerpes: And, if she was truly trying to be an impartial jurist, her race/gender would have nothing to do with it.

Ignoring race/gender/culture is a false dichotomy with solely focusing on race/gender/culture as a bigot would. They're both counterproductive positions.
 
2009-06-18 09:20:11 AM
The difference is that Letterman had some credibility. You do not expect any better from the likes of Limbaugh or other talk radio hosts because they are shameless political hacks. Letterman is a comedian, and one whose politics are beginning to get in the way of his act. Worse, his joke seemingly targeted a 14 year old. he claims that was not the intent, and I give him the benefit of the doubt. Even so, it was a tasteless joke.
 
2009-06-18 09:20:29 AM
RevMercutio: I'm beginning to wonder if we're actually hiding our stupid lefty members at this point. I mean, we've got a few Bachmann-level nutjobs on our side. Are we just tazing them if they make noise now?

If we aren't, we should!
 
2009-06-18 09:21:16 AM
 
2009-06-18 09:21:54 AM
Scerpes: And if Roberts had ever said that an old, white, Catholic man would make a better decision, you'd have crucified him for it.

If it was with regards to the bylaws of the Knights of Columbus or something, I could appreciate that sentiment -- and it would make perfect sense.

See, what this really is about is your projected resentment -- and nothing I say will dissuade you. You don't even need partisans, you can just invent them.
 
2009-06-18 09:22:31 AM
Hang On Voltaire: shastacola:
I could if Michelle Obama dressed like Tammy Wynette and had a teenaged daughter (who attended Harper Vally Jr. High) who got herself pregnant while Mommy preached the holy truth of abstinence to her holy roller fanclub. Do you really not see the difference?

How about the fact that Michelle's husband is a coke head who lectures about responsibility? Or the fact that her husband lectures about global warming while taking a private jet for a night out on the town? Or the fact that she thinks "America is a downright mean country" while her aunt in law is being allowed to live here illegally on the public dime? Or the fact that they are sending their kids to an expensive private school while not supporting efforts to allow other families to do the same? I know, I know saying those things is racist. Face it. Michelle Obama could take a shiat on an American flag on the White House lawn at high noon and the White House press corp would marvel at how perfectly shaped her turds are.


Rusty DePass, ladies and gentlemen. Give him a big hand.
 
2009-06-18 09:23:50 AM
Media Matters knows it's a straw man.

Subby knows it's a straw man.


The isssue wasn't about offensive comments.


It was about offensive comments targeting the children of politicians.


Children, that even Obama said were off limits.


But Subby and Media Matters knew that.
 
2009-06-18 09:28:06 AM
Scerpes: Jackpot777: If what KeiserSoze says is accurate, and if Levi and Bristol had sex between his 18th and her 18th, then yes. It's a 40lb box of rape.

Not in Alaska, it's not.


You are correct (new window). In Alaska, it's not illegal for a 13 year-old girl to have sex, if the boy is young enough.

So seeing as the [f]right[ened] wing is so insistent that Dave was talking about one of Palin's younger daughters, and all he said was this...

"During the seventh inning, her daughter was knocked up by Alex Rodriguez."

...why are the [f]right[ened] wing so sure which Alex Rodriguez was being discussed? The film editor for the film "Children of Men" is called Alex Rodriguez (new window). I'd put money on there being a few hundred teenage boys with the name Alex Rodriguez in the country.

It's pretty obvious which Alex Rodriguez we're talking about here, though. A joke needs to have an element of the familiar about it (for example: not a lot of people would find jokes about radiometric dating funny, unless it included some element of why someone from popular culture was dating someone so old), so having the joke be about some teenage boy called A. Rodriguez doesn't connect, it's not funny (unless you know the boy that shares his name with A-Rod). And the other person in the joke is a daughter of Sarah Palin being knocked up... seriously. Willow? Why not just say Piper and be done with it? After all, neither of them have been pregnant (that we know of).

The familiar elements of the joke are A-Rod, and a daughter of Palin getting knocked up at the drop of a hat. Bristol meets that description, because (to steal from Rentboy in "Trainspotting") if she's shag one punter from Wasilla, she'd shag the farking lot of us.

Funny is subjective, so I guess some people just don't get the joke. Maybe they need to take the sticks out of their asses. Maybe that's why the majority of voters didn't identify with the prudes in 2008.
 
2009-06-18 09:28:07 AM
That article misses the point; regardless of which side of the aisle you fall on, a politician's 14 year-old daughter should be off-limits. That child didn't ask for any fame, and a 14 year-old shouldn't have to hear of Letterman making a reference to her getting knocked up while she was at a baseball game.

Back in the mid 90's Rush Limbaugh had a pretty bad, short-lived TV show. During one segment he mentioned Chelsea Clinton, not in a negative way at all, but while he was talking they put up an image of a dog briefly before cutting to Chelsea. Rush was skewered in the media and apologized repeatedly both publicly and privately, deservedly so. That would be a better parallel for the author in that link, and the public reaction was equal to what Letterman is enduring.

(The stuff about Palin's appearance is fair game from a comedian in my opinion).
 
2009-06-18 09:28:40 AM
Thune: Media Matters knows it's a straw man.

Subby knows it's a straw man.


The isssue wasn't about offensive comments.


It was about offensive comments targeting the children of politicians.


Children, that even Obama said were off limits.


Malkin says they're fair game if they get involved in campaigning, you stupid lib.

Go suck off your free speech hating messiah.

/yeah
 
2009-06-18 09:31:11 AM
Hang On Voltaire: shastacola:
I could if Michelle Obama dressed like Tammy Wynette and had a teenaged daughter (who attended Harper Vally Jr. High) who got herself pregnant while Mommy preached the holy truth of abstinence to her holy roller fanclub. Do you really not see the difference?

How about the fact that Michelle's husband is a coke head who lectures about responsibility? Or the fact that her husband lectures about global warming while taking a private jet for a night out on the town? Or the fact that she thinks "America is a downright mean country" while her aunt in law is being allowed to live here illegally on the public dime? Or the fact that they are sending their kids to an expensive private school while not supporting efforts to allow other families to do the same? I know, I know saying those things is racist. Face it. Michelle Obama could take a shiat on an American flag on the White House lawn at high noon and the White House press corp would marvel at how perfectly shaped her turds are.


i156.photobucket.com
 
2009-06-18 09:32:02 AM
Phil Herup: Jackpot777: ...I guess you don't know when the joke's on you.



whatever... so I made speeling misstakes


Have fun being a Nazi, I guess if you got nuthin else go with it.


Don't you have a molar to extract in 26 minutes?
 
2009-06-18 09:32:57 AM
Hang On Voltaire: How about the fact that Michelle's husband is a coke head who lectures about responsibility? Or the fact that her husband lectures about global warming while taking a private jet for a night out on the town? Or the fact that she thinks "America is a downright mean country" while her aunt in law is being allowed to live here illegally on the public dime? Or the fact that they are sending their kids to an expensive private school while not supporting efforts to allow other families to do the same? I know, I know saying those things is racist. Face it. Michelle Obama could take a shiat on an American flag on the White House lawn at high noon and the White House press corp would marvel at how perfectly shaped her turds are.

Presidents take their private planes on trips all the time, all presidents have,I know it bothers wingnuts that our negro president is doing the same, but that's the breaks.
You're allowed to send your kids to a private school,but not on my dime, same with the Obamas.
Michelle Obama is right ,America can be a mean country,wingnuts are proof. I'd rather have a President and first lady who don't bother with the blathering ,chest beating, cartoonish America that the wingnuts have invented for their knuckle dragging legion.
President Obama is a "cokehead"? Do tell.
 
2009-06-18 09:33:59 AM
dazuwood: The difference is that Letterman had some credibility. You do not expect any better from the likes of Limbaugh or other talk radio hosts because they are shameless political hacks. Letterman is a comedian, and one whose politics are beginning to get in the way of his act. Worse, his joke seemingly targeted a 14 year old. he claims that was not the intent, and I give him the benefit of the doubt. Even so, it was a tasteless joke.

"During the seventh inning, her daughter was knocked up by Alex Rodriguez."

Show me the part where the fourteen year-old is seemingly targeted.
 
2009-06-18 09:36:04 AM
p-e-t-e: That article misses the point; regardless of which side of the aisle you fall on, a politician's 14 year-old daughter should be off-limits. That child didn't ask for any fame, and a 14 year-old shouldn't have to hear of Letterman making a reference to her getting knocked up while she was at a baseball game.

Back in the mid 90's Rush Limbaugh had a pretty bad, short-lived TV show. During one segment he mentioned Chelsea Clinton, not in a negative way at all, but while he was talking they put up an image of a dog briefly before cutting to Chelsea. Rush was skewered in the media and apologized repeatedly both publicly and privately, deservedly so. That would be a better parallel for the author in that link, and the public reaction was equal to what Letterman is enduring.

(The stuff about Palin's appearance is fair game from a comedian in my opinion).


"During the seventh inning, her daughter was knocked up by Alex Rodriguez."

Show me the part where the fourteen year-old is mentioned.
 
2009-06-18 09:37:37 AM
Thune: The isssue wasn't about offensive comments.


It was about offensive comments targeting the children of politicians.


Children, that even Obama said were off limits.


But children of regular people?

That's perfectly fine.
 
2009-06-18 09:38:38 AM
Thune: Media Matters knows it's a straw man.

Subby knows it's a straw man.


The isssue wasn't about offensive comments.


It was about offensive comments targeting the children of politicians.


Children, that even Obama said were off limits.


But Subby and Media Matters knew that.


Lols sir. Who said the kids of politicians were off limits to comedians? I would love to see that quote. Your consistent intellectual dishonesty or mild retardation have earned you an ignore list. Honestly, from the number of times I've seen you, I don't know how you made it this far without it. Get back to the gym or wherever you have to be in 26 minutes.
 
2009-06-18 09:39:54 AM
i agree with the top ten, esp boortz
 
2009-06-18 09:41:27 AM
Skleenar: Thune: The isssue wasn't about offensive comments.


It was about offensive comments targeting the children of politicians.


Children, that even Obama said were off limits.

But children of regular people?

That's perfectly fine.


"During the seventh inning, her daughter was knocked up by Alex Rodriguez."

Anyone, please, show me the part where the fourteen year-old is mentioned.
 
2009-06-18 09:44:04 AM
Skleenar: Thune: The isssue wasn't about offensive comments.


It was about offensive comments targeting the children of politicians.


Children, that even Obama said were off limits.

But children of regular people?

That's perfectly fine.


"During the seventh inning, her daughter was knocked up by Alex Rodriguez."

Please, anybody at all, show me the part where a child is mentioned.
 
2009-06-18 09:44:49 AM
Jackpot777: p-e-t-e: That article misses the point; regardless of which side of the aisle you fall on, a politician's 14 year-old daughter should be off-limits. That child didn't ask for any fame, and a 14 year-old shouldn't have to hear of Letterman making a reference to her getting knocked up while she was at a baseball game.

Back in the mid 90's Rush Limbaugh had a pretty bad, short-lived TV show. During one segment he mentioned Chelsea Clinton, not in a negative way at all, but while he was talking they put up an image of a dog briefly before cutting to Chelsea. Rush was skewered in the media and apologized repeatedly both publicly and privately, deservedly so. That would be a better parallel for the author in that link, and the public reaction was equal to what Letterman is enduring.

(The stuff about Palin's appearance is fair game from a comedian in my opinion).

"During the seventh inning, her daughter was knocked up by Alex Rodriguez."

Show me the part where the fourteen year-old is mentioned.


Her 14 year-old daughter was the only one of her daughters at the game. Had someone from Letterman's writing staff had seen any NY paper or local news they would have heard it was not the 18 year-old daughter with them.

I happened in NY celebrating my anniversary with my wife and we were at that game too with my wife and saw Palin, her husband and daughter sitting beside Guilliani and his g/f behind home plate. It didn't take rocket science to see it wasn't the 18 - y.o.
 
2009-06-18 09:45:34 AM
"During the seventh inning, her daughter was knocked up by Alex Rodriguez."

Come on. ONE person should be able to show me where the fourteen year-old was mentioned.

ONE person. Just one.
 
2009-06-18 09:46:32 AM
I should really proof-read before I post.

/Typos
 
2009-06-18 09:46:56 AM
p-e-t-e: I happened in NY celebrating my anniversary with my wife and we were at that game too with my wife and saw Palin, her husband and daughter sitting beside Guilliani and his g/f behind home plate. It didn't take rocket science to see it wasn't the 18 - y.o.

The rest of the viewing audience was there too, so everyone knew the joke referred to the 14-year-old, rather than the 18-year-old who actually had been knocked up (and would have made the joke funny).
 
2009-06-18 09:47:19 AM
Jackpot777: Come on. ONE person should be able to show me where the fourteen year-old was mentioned.

ONE person. Just one.


By default the jailbait daughter is the object of the joke, because she was the only daughter present.
 
2009-06-18 09:47:46 AM
HotWingConspiracy: Thune: Media Matters knows it's a straw man.

Subby knows it's a straw man.


The isssue wasn't about offensive comments.


It was about offensive comments targeting the children of politicians.


Children, that even Obama said were off limits.

Malkin says they're fair game if they get involved in campaigning, you stupid lib.

Go suck off your free speech hating messiah.

/yeah


The children did not get involved in the campaign. blow me obamabot.
 
2009-06-18 09:48:06 AM
p-e-t-e: I happened in NY celebrating my anniversary with my wife and we were at that game too with my wife and saw Palin, her husband and daughter sitting beside Guilliani and his g/f behind home plate. It didn't take rocket science to see it wasn't the 18 - y.o.

Oh.

So you were the one who knocked her up?

I'm confused now.
 
2009-06-18 09:50:25 AM
I read the Media Matter list of GOP's "bad things said about Democrats". I didn't see anything about knocking up 14 year old girls in there. In fact, I didn't see anything about anyone's kids at all.

What a fabulously well written rebuttal. Abd by that I mean "horrible to the point of actually lowering my opion of Media Matters, which I didn't think was possible."
 
2009-06-18 09:50:27 AM
Jackpot777: Don't you have a molar to extract in 26 minutes?


It's spelled moler bro..


m-o-l-e-r
 
2009-06-18 09:51:03 AM
Thune: The children did not get involved in the campaign. blow me obamabot.

img269.imageshack.us

Thanks for the support, you betcha!

But please watch the language around the children, kay?
 
2009-06-18 09:51:42 AM
p-e-t-e: Jackpot777: p-e-t-e: That article misses the point; regardless of which side of the aisle you fall on, a politician's 14 year-old daughter should be off-limits. That child didn't ask for any fame, and a 14 year-old shouldn't have to hear of Letterman making a reference to her getting knocked up while she was at a baseball game.

Back in the mid 90's Rush Limbaugh had a pretty bad, short-lived TV show. During one segment he mentioned Chelsea Clinton, not in a negative way at all, but while he was talking they put up an image of a dog briefly before cutting to Chelsea. Rush was skewered in the media and apologized repeatedly both publicly and privately, deservedly so. That would be a better parallel for the author in that link, and the public reaction was equal to what Letterman is enduring.

(The stuff about Palin's appearance is fair game from a comedian in my opinion).

"During the seventh inning, her daughter was knocked up by Alex Rodriguez."

Show me the part where the fourteen year-old is mentioned.

Her 14 year-old daughter was the only one of her daughters at the game. Had someone from Letterman's writing staff had seen any NY paper or local news they would have heard it was not the 18 year-old daughter with them.

I happened in NY celebrating my anniversary with my wife and we were at that game too with my wife and saw Palin, her husband and daughter sitting beside Guilliani and his g/f behind home plate. It didn't take rocket science to see it wasn't the 18 - y.o.


I'll ask again. Where was the fourteen year-old mentioned?

I'll spell it out for you. Bristol. Is. A. Slut. From. The. Crack. Capital. Of. America. In fact, the idea that she would travel a few thousand miles just to have sex with someone linked with Cynthia Scurtis, Joslyn Noel Morse, Madonna, and Kate Hudson in the last two years makes it funnier because A-Rod's more of a slut than she is.
 
2009-06-18 09:53:13 AM
Hang On Voltaire: How about the fact that Michelle's husband is a coke head who lectures about responsibility? Or the fact that her husband lectures about global warming while taking a private jet for a night out on the town? Or the fact that she thinks "America is a downright mean country" while her aunt in law is being allowed to live here illegally on the public dime? Or the fact that they are sending their kids to an expensive private school while not supporting efforts to allow other families to do the same? I know, I know saying those things is racist. Face it. Michelle Obama could take a shiat on an American flag on the White House lawn at high noon and the White House press corp would marvel at how perfectly shaped her turds are.

Campaign's over dude. Time to come down from the ledge.
 
2009-06-18 09:53:18 AM
p-e-t-e: Her 14 year-old daughter was the only one of her daughters at the game. Had someone from Letterman's writing staff had seen any NY paper or local news they would have heard it was not the 18 year-old daughter with them.

Ya, I'm sure the lead story in all the papers was who Palin brought with her to a baseball game.
 
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