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2009-06-18 03:40:31 AM  
RemyDuron: Our comedians are just better than yours is the problem. I mean, you're got PJ O'Rourke and. . . Uh, Christopher Buckley voted for Obama. . . You've got one good comedian.

My only real experience with P.J. O'Rourke is on Real Time with Bill Maher and it seems the only person who still thinks he's funny is himself.
 
2009-06-18 03:44:29 AM  
Klingon Penis: RemyDuron: Our comedians are just better than yours is the problem. I mean, you're got PJ O'Rourke and. . . Uh, Christopher Buckley voted for Obama. . . You've got one good comedian.

My only real experience with P.J. O'Rourke is on Real Time with Bill Maher and it seems the only person who still thinks he's funny is himself.


I've read some bits of his writing and heard him a lot on Wait Wait, Don't Tell Me and he's always struck me as funny. I've never noticed him seeming that arrogant, but I also tend to like arrogant comedians, so maybe I just didn't notice.
 
2009-06-18 03:44:39 AM  
skunkmasher: All I see in this thread is a bunch of malcontent lefties going "waah!" "waah!" "waah!"

Pussies. You can dish it out but you can't take.


Don't cry, little girl. I'm sure your daddy will come back for you.
 
2009-06-18 03:47:48 AM  
Meh whatever. I think there is plenty whargarble coming from both sides at this point. Letterman as of late has been acting like a bit of a political hack. It's no longer political humor, there's more than a bit of viciousness coming from him, but again whatever. The problem I have is picking on the kids, they didn't ask to be thrown into this shiat. Chelsea Clinton had a hell of a time with the comedians, they ripped her to shreds. Luckily enough after all the "ugly" jokes she actually turned into a bit of a hotty and is really smart as well.
 
2009-06-18 03:47:52 AM  
skunkmasher: All I see in this thread is a bunch of malcontent lefties going "waah!" "waah!" "waah!"

Pussies. You can dish it out but you can't take.


Where were you in this thread? (new window)

Your weeping conservative brothers could have used a tough guy like you.
 
2009-06-18 03:48:09 AM  
skunkmasher: All I see in this thread is a bunch of malcontent lefties Sarah Palin supporters going "waah!" "waah!" "waah!"

Pussies. You can dish it out but you can't take.


There, I made you honest for a change.
 
2009-06-18 03:49:32 AM  
RemyDuron: Klingon Penis: RemyDuron: Our comedians are just better than yours is the problem. I mean, you're got PJ O'Rourke and. . . Uh, Christopher Buckley voted for Obama. . . You've got one good comedian.

My only real experience with P.J. O'Rourke is on Real Time with Bill Maher and it seems the only person who still thinks he's funny is himself.

I've read some bits of his writing and heard him a lot on Wait Wait, Don't Tell Me and he's always struck me as funny. I've never noticed him seeming that arrogant, but I also tend to like arrogant comedians, so maybe I just didn't notice.


Check out Parliament of Whores. His best work, in my opinion.
 
2009-06-18 03:50:00 AM  
yarnothuntin: Chelsea Clinton had a hell of a time with the comedians, they ripped her to shreds. Luckily enough after all the "ugly" jokes she actually turned into a bit of a hotty and is really smart as well.

This doesn't bode well for the beautiful Palin family.
 
2009-06-18 03:53:28 AM  
morrach: This doesn't bode well for the beautiful Palin family.

Heh, well Piper or Scout or whatever her name is, the 18 year old the joke was intended for- she's pretty hot now, maybe this will make her hotter LOL
 
2009-06-18 03:54:54 AM  
RemyDuron: So, wait, conservatives are outraged about what a comedian said, but we're the ones who can't take it?

I wasn't outraged. I just didn't think it was that funny. Cardinal sin in my book.

And some of those listed are reaching. People were saying that it would be a Latina pick for the court long before Pat Robertson on both sides of the aisle, for one.

Let's be honest--being eminently qualified is not necessarily a requirement to be a Supreme Court nominee. It's political, no matter left or right wing.
 
2009-06-18 04:03:39 AM  
Coco LaFemme: I'm still trying to figure out how people didn't think he was talking about Bristol. I happen to think that a politician's kids are off-limits because they didn't do anything other than pick the wrong cooter to come sliding out of. That being said, he wasn't talking about the jailbait daughter, he was talking about the one who's already popped out a brat.

Bristol is now 18 and hitting the talk shows to promote abstinence. (Which is kind of like Dom DeLuise promoting dieting) As such she is a legitimate target of media criticism.
 
2009-06-18 04:04:00 AM  
All I see in this thread is a bunch of malcontent lefties going "waah!" "waah!" "waah!"

you're village called...
 
2009-06-18 04:12:21 AM  
Coco LaFemme: I'm still trying to figure out how people didn't think he was talking about Bristol. I happen to think that a politician's kids are off-limits because they didn't do anything other than pick the wrong cooter to come sliding out of. That being said, he wasn't talking about the jailbait daughter, he was talking about the one who's already popped out a brat.

Letterman doesn't like Sarah Palin (who does?) but I don't really think he'd go after the 14 year old.


No one really believes he did. The entire thing is a.) manufactured outrage, b.) a ploy to keep Palin "relevant", and c.) and attempt to make Letterman more cautious about any jokes involving Palin. Which is a shame, because she's a comic goldmine if ever there was one.

Anyone who actually thinks Letterman was intentionally referring to the younger daughter is a retard, or a Palin supporter (sorry, didn't mean to repeat myself there.)
 
2009-06-18 04:13:14 AM  
helix400: Procedural Texture: Where do you people get this "rape" thing? It wasn't in the joke.

Sex by an adult with a 14 year old (which was what the joke literally meant) is statutory rape.

Letterman thought the joke was about Palin's 18 year old daughter.


But sex wasn't in, the joke was about artificial insemination.
Because, uh, A-Rod's going to be an OBGYN when his baseball careers over.

Don't you people know anything?

/sleepy sarcasm
/is still wondering why Gov. Palin participated on SNL after they made a joke about her husband banging their daughters. Is raping 14 year olds only fun when it's incest?
 
2009-06-18 04:13:26 AM  
Burn98: Coco LaFemme: I'm still trying to figure out how people didn't think he was talking about Bristol. I happen to think that a politician's kids are off-limits because they didn't do anything other than pick the wrong cooter to come sliding out of. That being said, he wasn't talking about the jailbait daughter, he was talking about the one who's already popped out a brat.

Bristol is now 18 and hitting the talk shows to promote abstinence. (Which is kind of like Dom DeLuise promoting bulimia-only dieting) As such she is a legitimate target of media criticism.


There's nothing wrong with her promoting abstinence. It's the abstinence-only part that makes her look dumb. I would have no problem listening to Dom DeLuise talk about dieting so long as he wasn't telling me the only way to lose weight was through puking or excessive enemas.
 
2009-06-18 04:15:15 AM  
How do you right-wing dumbasses manage to breathe??
 
2009-06-18 04:16:06 AM  
Kierkegaard's Pseudonym: Wouldn't it be awesome if the 14-year-old got knocked up in the near future?

That would totally make my decade.


Good God man! I laugh at the train wreck that is the Palin family as much as anyone. But I don't want to see more family members sucked into it.
 
2009-06-18 04:17:34 AM  
Burn98: Bristol is now 18 and hitting the talk shows to promote abstinence. (Which is kind of like Dom DeLuise promoting dieting) As such she is a legitimate target of media criticism.

I was wondering about that- is she hitting the talk shows or is she just doing high school motivational speeches, or both? If she's shoving herself in the national limelight, then yeah, I'd have to say fair game.
 
2009-06-18 04:19:19 AM  
Burn98: Kierkegaard's Pseudonym: Wouldn't it be awesome if the 14-year-old got knocked up in the near future?

That would totally make my decade.

Good God man! I laugh at the train wreck that is the Palin family as much as anyone. But I don't want to see more family members sucked into it.


Agreed, she is 14, that's very not awesome. Still, I'll bet you $50 she's pregnant before 18.
 
2009-06-18 04:20:04 AM  
Burn98: Good God man! I laugh at the train wreck that is the Palin family as much as anyone. But I don't want to see more family members sucked into it.

It would be worth it for the Letterman monologue the next night.

He would just walk out, stand there smirking for ten seconds, then walk to his desk without telling a joke.
 
2009-06-18 04:26:14 AM  
yarnothuntin: I was wondering about that- is she hitting the talk shows or is she just doing high school motivational speeches, or both? If she's shoving herself in the national limelight, then yeah, I'd have to say fair game.

Bristol is fair game. I think the other children should be left alone on general principle. Let Willow grow up out of the spot light.

On the other hand, When their politician mother uses them as campaign material, it is hard to ignore them.
 
2009-06-18 04:26:18 AM  
veale728: How do you right-wing dumbasses manage to breathe??

Fox News ticker reminds them
 
2009-06-18 04:28:24 AM  
Argh2:

Agreed, she is 14, that's very not awesome. Still, I'll bet you $50 she's pregnant before 18.


I would not take that bet.
 
2009-06-18 04:33:58 AM  
morrach: There's nothing wrong with her promoting abstinence. It's the abstinence-only part that makes her look dumb. I would have no problem listening to Dom DeLuise talk about dieting so long as he wasn't telling me the only way to lose weight was through puking or excessive enemas.

Why would you listen to Dom Deluise talk about dieting when he has displayed an obvious lack of ability?

I would certainly listen to him talk about cooking.

Abstinence with a condom backup, or abstinence only, wouldn't you want someone who has displayed some ability, some success?

Now if Bristol wants to talk about sex, I'll listen.
 
2009-06-18 04:35:37 AM  
elffster: All I see in this thread is a bunch of malcontent lefties going "waah!" "waah!" "waah!"

you're village called...


angryflower.com
 
2009-06-18 04:43:59 AM  
Burn98: morrach: There's nothing wrong with her promoting abstinence. It's the abstinence-only part that makes her look dumb. I would have no problem listening to Dom DeLuise talk about dieting so long as he wasn't telling me the only way to lose weight was through puking or excessive enemas.

Why would you listen to Dom Deluise talk about dieting when he has displayed an obvious lack of ability?

I would certainly listen to him talk about cooking.

Abstinence with a condom backup, or abstinence only, wouldn't you want someone who has displayed some ability, some success?

Now if Bristol wants to talk about sex, I'll listen.


It would depend on the tone of what he was saying, sure, but you can't just discount everything someone says due to previous actions unless they refuse to learn from their mistakes. Bristol speaking up for abstinence-only education obviously hasn't learned her lesson. To return to the previous example, if Dom DeLuise were to talk about his health concerns and the importance of dieting I'd be all for it. If he preached that only a diet eliminating food entirely would work for everyone, it would be obvious that he's full of shiat.
 
2009-06-18 04:44:18 AM  
Bristol, Willow, we don't want Piper to feel left out.

punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com
 
2009-06-18 04:45:05 AM  
Let's see. Palin's daughter is a slut, porking every numb-nuts who comes along and the repubs treat her like a saint. Some random comedian makes a poorly constructed joke about it and the republicans come unglued.

Torture - good. War - good. Economic ruin - good. Some random remark about the slut daughter of a hypocritical conservative VP wannabee which they really don't care about for some oddly perceived political advantage - bad. I understand the republican moral code now.
 
2009-06-18 04:46:11 AM  
BTW, reading the Bible repeatedly does not mean understanding the Bible.
 
2009-06-18 04:47:34 AM  
Burn98: Bristol, Willow, we don't want Piper to feel left out.

Piper is going to a Democrat. Kid has moxie.
 
2009-06-18 04:51:42 AM  
This is the political equivalent of saying "He does it too!"

Newsflash, the Letterman joke was done in outstandingly poor taste and attacked a person not in the public sphere.

It was out of line.
 
2009-06-18 04:52:32 AM  
morrach: Burn98: morrach: There's nothing wrong with her promoting abstinence. It's the abstinence-only part that makes her look dumb. I would have no problem listening to Dom DeLuise talk about dieting so long as he wasn't telling me the only way to lose weight was through puking or excessive enemas.

Why would you listen to Dom Deluise talk about dieting when he has displayed an obvious lack of ability?

I would certainly listen to him talk about cooking.

Abstinence with a condom backup, or abstinence only, wouldn't you want someone who has displayed some ability, some success?

Now if Bristol wants to talk about sex, I'll listen.

It would depend on the tone of what he was saying, sure, but you can't just discount everything someone says due to previous actions unless they refuse to learn from their mistakes. Bristol speaking up for abstinence-only education obviously hasn't learned her lesson. To return to the previous example, if Dom DeLuise were to talk about his health concerns and the importance of dieting I'd be all for it. If he preached that only a diet eliminating food entirely would work for everyone, it would be obvious that he's full of shiat.


I understand the distinction you are trying to make. And I agree with it. Teaching abstinence is OK as long as it is not the only thing you teach.

But that distinction has nothing to do with the point I was making. Which is that I only want advice from someone who has proven that they take their own advice and is successful following it.

So I was not disagreeing with your distinction. I was simply trying to make my point clear.
 
2009-06-18 04:56:09 AM  
Swampthing in Korea: This is the political equivalent of saying "He does it too!"

Newsflash, the Letterman joke was done in outstandingly poor taste and attacked a person not in the public sphere.

It was out of line.


Keep repeating that until you finally convince your thirty cats.
 
2009-06-18 04:56:41 AM  
Swampthing in Korea: This is the political equivalent of saying "He does it too!"

Newsflash, the Letterman joke was done in outstandingly poor taste and attacked a person not in the public sphere.

It was out of line.


Bristol Palin is 18 and does talk shows. She certainly is in the public sphere.
 
2009-06-18 04:58:57 AM  
Swampthing in Korea: Newsflash, the Letterman joke was done in outstandingly poor taste and attacked a person not in the public sphere.

People who aren't in the public sphere don't usually give multiple interviews with the media and become national ambassadors for teaching kids about teen pregnancy. If you're trying to retain your privacy, you should probably refrain from doing those things.
 
2009-06-18 05:00:12 AM  
morrach: Swampthing in Korea: This is the political equivalent of saying "He does it too!"

Newsflash, the Letterman joke was done in outstandingly poor taste and attacked a person not in the public sphere.

It was out of line.

Keep repeating that until you finally convince your thirty cats.


Why the hell would I have cats? I hate pets.

Burn98: Swampthing in Korea: This is the political equivalent of saying "He does it too!"

Newsflash, the Letterman joke was done in outstandingly poor taste and attacked a person not in the public sphere.

It was out of line.

Bristol Palin is 18 and does talk shows. She certainly is in the public sphere.


She is not a political figure, nor is she a "professional" media personality.
 
2009-06-18 05:00:39 AM  
Burn98: So I was not disagreeing with your distinction. I was simply trying to make my point clear.

To be honest, I was mainly interested in getting people to think about enemas and Dom DeLuise simultaneously.
 
2009-06-18 05:03:17 AM  
morrach: To be honest, I was mainly interested in getting people to think about enemas and Dom DeLuise simultaneously.

And you missed my joke about being willing to listen to Bristol talk about sex!

Now my feelings are hurt.
 
2009-06-18 05:04:09 AM  
Swampthing in Korea: She is not a political figure, nor is she a "professional" media personality.

Political figures and media professionals are the only ones you can make televised jokes about?
 
2009-06-18 05:05:17 AM  
Burn98: morrach: To be honest, I was mainly interested in getting people to think about enemas and Dom DeLuise simultaneously.

And you missed my joke about being willing to listen to Bristol talk about sex!

Now my feelings are hurt.


Let's compromise and come up with a joke about Dom DeLuise giving an enema to Bristol Palin.
 
2009-06-18 05:06:38 AM  
Kierkegaard's Pseudonym: Swampthing in Korea: She is not a political figure, nor is she a "professional" media personality.

Political figures and media professionals are the only ones you can make televised jokes about?


No, but the family of political figures has generally been off-limits.
 
2009-06-18 05:07:01 AM  
Swampthing in Korea:

Bristol Palin is 18 and does talk shows. She certainly is in the public sphere.

She is not a political figure, nor is she a "professional" media personality.


That is correct. She is just someone who goes on talk shows to promote a cause.

So she is sort of an "amateur" media personality. . . in the public sphere.

That's an important distinction.
 
2009-06-18 05:09:20 AM  
Swampthing in Korea: No, but the family of political figures has generally been off-limits.

So then what would Bristol have to do to cease being a political child and fully enter into the public sphere? Or is she always protected?
 
2009-06-18 05:09:23 AM  
Swampthing in Korea: Kierkegaard's Pseudonym: Swampthing in Korea: She is not a political figure, nor is she a "professional" media personality.

Political figures and media professionals are the only ones you can make televised jokes about?

No, but the family of political figures has generally been off-limits.


Since when?
 
2009-06-18 05:12:09 AM  
Swampthing in Korea: This is the political equivalent of saying "He does it too!"

Newsflash, the Letterman joke was done in outstandingly poor taste and attacked a person not in the public sphere.

It was out of line.


1> It's Letterman. A great deal of his humor is in poor taste. That's why he's hysterical. Hell, all humor is about someone getting hurt or a schism between what happened and what was expected. This makes humor, pretty much by definition, in poor taste.

2> Do you know her name? Then she's in the public sphere. Blame her mom for shoving her family out there.
 
2009-06-18 05:12:14 AM  
Swampthing in Korea: No, but the family of political figures has generally been off-limits.

Tell that to Chelsea Clinton!

Once they go on TV by themselves to promote their own causes. Then they become their own media personality.
 
2009-06-18 05:14:01 AM  
morrach: Swampthing in Korea: Kierkegaard's Pseudonym: Swampthing in Korea: She is not a political figure, nor is she a "professional" media personality.

Political figures and media professionals are the only ones you can make televised jokes about?

No, but the family of political figures has generally been off-limits.

Since when?


I did not see much coverage of Chelsea Clinton or the Kennedy kids.
 
2009-06-18 05:16:16 AM  
Swampthing in Korea: morrach: Swampthing in Korea: Kierkegaard's Pseudonym: Swampthing in Korea: She is not a political figure, nor is she a "professional" media personality.

Political figures and media professionals are the only ones you can make televised jokes about?

No, but the family of political figures has generally been off-limits.

Since when?

I did not see much coverage of Chelsea Clinton or the Kennedy kids.


This would make you willfully ignorant or just not very observant.
 
2009-06-18 05:18:31 AM  
morrach: Swampthing in Korea: morrach: Swampthing in Korea: Kierkegaard's Pseudonym: Swampthing in Korea: She is not a political figure, nor is she a "professional" media personality.

Political figures and media professionals are the only ones you can make televised jokes about?

No, but the family of political figures has generally been off-limits.

Since when?

I did not see much coverage of Chelsea Clinton or the Kennedy kids.

This would make you willfully ignorant or just not very observant.


Okay, care to provide an example of Chelsea Clinton being negatively attacked while Bill Clinton held political office?
 
2009-06-18 05:19:48 AM  
Swampthing in Korea: I did not see much coverage of Chelsea Clinton or the Kennedy kids

Coverage no. There is not much coverage of Bristol either.

Jokes yes. Rush Limbaugh called Chelsea the White House dog. People on Fark called her "the reason the Clintons support abortion".
 
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