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(Abc.net.au)   Police are testing a taser gun to see if it malfunctioned when suspect dies after 28 taserings   (abc.net.au) divider line 89
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2009-06-17 06:47:05 PM  
Although it is not recommended
To tase 'til the suspect's expended,
What did they expect
While shocking unchecked?
I'd say that's "performed as intended."
 
2009-06-17 06:54:35 PM  
28 taserings and the guy died? I'd say the gun is working just fine.
 
2009-06-17 07:47:23 PM  
Testing it on themselves?
 
2009-06-17 07:50:40 PM  
I know that a bunch of people are going to come in here an complain about "police brutality".

What you need to understand is that in Australia, it is customary for the police to show up at your house and tase you on your birthday, once for each year. Afterwards, the lucky birthday boy and the cops go off and have vegemite and Fosters in good fun.

While it may seem strange to you, it is important for us to respect the ways of the Australian. The true tragedy here is that our good friend died 11 tasings short of his rightful due.
 
2009-06-17 08:01:29 PM  
IN THE FACE!!
 
2009-06-17 08:02:22 PM  
what an electrocuting development
 
2009-06-17 08:03:19 PM  
Well if people listened to what the police told them, they probably wouldn't get tasered.
 
2009-06-17 08:03:53 PM  
TFA: The reported results of the gun's data are baffling, concerning, and I believe are at odds with a number of other crucial pieces of evidence

Like what? the word of some cop saying "no I didn't"?
 
2009-06-17 08:03:56 PM  
This is shocking news.
 
2009-06-17 08:04:25 PM  
Cagey B: I know that a bunch of people are going to come in here an complain about "police brutality".

What you need to understand is that in Australia, it is customary for the police to show up at your house and tase you on your birthday, once for each year. Afterwards, the lucky birthday boy and the cops go off and have vegemite and Fosters in good fun.

While it may seem strange to you, it is important for us to respect the ways of the Australian. The true tragedy here is that our good friend died 11 tasings short of his rightful due.


Disparaging the taser is a tasering offense.
 
2009-06-17 08:05:25 PM  
LegacyDL 2009-06-17 08:01:29 PM

IN THE FACE!!



I came here for that reference.

/Leaving satisfied.
 
2009-06-17 08:06:35 PM  
the cop's trigger finger was obviously working fine.
 
2009-06-17 08:07:11 PM  
I'd rather be shot in the back while laying cuffed on the floor and killed quickly than be tasered 28 times (or whatever my personal lethal limit is).
 
2009-06-17 08:10:25 PM  
I miss the good ol' days of cops putting six rounds in the guilty bastards then putting a slipper in their hand and squeezing off one round up in the air.

Good times.
 
2009-06-17 08:13:40 PM  
In a row?
 
2009-06-17 08:14:14 PM  
Cagey B: What you need to understand is that in Australia, it is customary for the police to show up at your house and tase you on your birthday, once for each year. Afterwards, the lucky birthday boy and the cops go off and have vegemite and Fosters in good fun.


That's just awful. Vegemite....really? Damn.
 
2009-06-17 08:17:27 PM  
"I've spoken to the them at length - I spoke to them in Ayr - and I'm confident they told the truth," Mr Leavers said.

Ayr...is that sort of like parseltongue?

/kids are hyped, we're rewatching the first ones over and over...
 
2009-06-17 08:23:06 PM  
Do they test guns after they fire 28 bullets?
 
2009-06-17 08:24:47 PM  
FTA: Mr Leavers said on Friday that the man was extremely aggressive, armed with an iron bar and broken glass, and had harmed himself.

"Let's taser the hell out of him before he hurts himself again"
 
2009-06-17 08:26:35 PM  
A QLD police union spokesman really paid out on the victim the day this happened - telling the media that the victim was known to police and that he had a record for this and that - basically character assasination.

Now that it seems that the taser was discharged 28 times the same guy is saying that we shouldn't draw conclusions until an enquiry has presented and that trying to determine blame before an enquiry has concluded what happened is inappropriate (lol).

What a two-faced coward.
 
2009-06-17 08:26:51 PM  
"Baffling!"
 
2009-06-17 08:27:37 PM  
images1.wikia.nocookie.net
BBBBZzzzzzzZZZZZZztttt....
Fascinating
We're gonna need another Timmy!!!!


//Hot like a tazed bro
 
2009-06-17 08:29:48 PM  
Solty Dog: In a row?

Thank you, and try not to (wait, will I get banned?) on the way through the parking lot.
 
2009-06-17 08:31:04 PM  
You'll be a policeman
You have a talent for causing things pain
Son, be a policeman
People will pay you to be inhumane
Your temperament's wrong for the priesthood
And teaching would suit you still less
Son, be a policeman
You'll be a success
 
2009-06-17 08:33:12 PM  
Cagey B: I know that a bunch of people are going to come in here an complain about "police brutality".

What you need to understand is that in Australia, it is customary for the police to show up at your house and tase you on your birthday, once for each year. Afterwards, the lucky birthday boy and the cops go off and have vegemite and Fosters in good fun.

While it may seem strange to you, it is important for us to respect the ways of the Australian. The true tragedy here is that our good friend died 11 tasings short of his rightful due.


We don't drink Fosters in Australia.

Everything else you said is true though.
 
2009-06-17 08:34:01 PM  
Forgive me if I'm an idiot, but aren't you only supposed to use the Taser as a less-lethal alternative to shooting someone? Would they seriously have shot this dude 28 times?

Now, the kicker: would it be more or less of a headbanger if the answer to that second question is "yes"?
 
2009-06-17 08:39:13 PM  
If I ever find myself in the unlikely situation of having a taser pointed at me, I'm using the "Stop, I have a pacemaker!" defense. I'll let ya'll know if it works...
 
2009-06-17 08:39:16 PM  
As Carlin would say, it's passive eugenics. The guy that can't get tasered 28 times doesn't go home to dinner that night. Too farking bad.

/came to party.
 
2009-06-17 08:41:04 PM  
Why does a taser have to be capable of 28 discharges?
 
2009-06-17 08:42:26 PM  
Now see, THAT'S why we can't have fun things.
 
2009-06-17 08:46:11 PM  
Here's a fun yarn. Two guys I used to work with were given the assignment to see if taser guns could damage cockpit instruments. (It was just post 911 and our pilots decided they wanted them)

So my good buddies went up to where some of our old planes were parked up in the high desert in CA.
Evening came around. They went drinking and of course when they got back to the hotel room and drank even more beer, they decided to sit there and taser the crap out of each other.
Boys will be boys.
 
2009-06-17 08:51:15 PM  
NakedApe: Why does a taser have to be capable of 28 discharges?

For the same reason most guns take more than one bullet at a time?
 
2009-06-17 08:51:54 PM  
smeegle: Here's a fun yarn. Two guys I used to work with were given the assignment to see if taser guns could damage cockpit instruments. (It was just post 911 and our pilots decided they wanted them)

So my good buddies went up to where some of our old planes were parked up in the high desert in CA.
Evening came around. They went drinking and of course when they got back to the hotel room and drank even more beer, they decided to sit there and taser the crap out of each other.
Boys will be boys.


I was waiting for a punch line somewhere, but since we're sharing stories

My brother used to use a taser with low batteries as an alarm clock for me. I slap my alarm button really fast now.

I went to a party one time and the guy throwing the party had bought a collar that shocks dogs when they bark. He refused to put it on his dog unless someone tried it with him. I was the drunkest, so obviously the job was mine. When I stopped choking on my own muscle spasm I decided that I was no longer the drunkest and he owed me beer.
 
2009-06-17 08:52:00 PM  
I believe that Tasers should be considered torture. So, please forgive me for asking the obvious question:

Does the Taser's battery pack have a 28 discharge capacity?
 
2009-06-17 08:53:10 PM  
edmo: Do they test guns after they fire 28 bullets?

They would if you didn't reload.
 
2009-06-17 08:53:51 PM  
ZAP!
 
2009-06-17 08:56:07 PM  
the article seems to suggest the taser was fired 28 times ever.
 
2009-06-17 08:56:13 PM  
But the tazer company's marketing said it was impossible to kill someone with it!

It must have malfunctioned, because everybody knows tazers don't kill.
 
2009-06-17 08:57:00 PM  
Do Australian police carry guns?
 
2009-06-17 08:59:36 PM  
tacos813: the article seems to suggest the taser was fired 28 times ever.

That or 28 officers stood around the guy in a circle and everyone fired at the same time.
 
2009-06-17 09:07:01 PM  
Cagey B: What you need to understand is that in Australia, it is customary...

You magnificent bastard.
 
2009-06-17 09:08:29 PM  
Chiller Theatre: I believe that Tasers should be considered torture. So, please forgive me for asking the obvious question:

Does the Taser's battery pack have a 28 discharge capacity?


Probably. It depends on the length of each discharge.

The "28 times" they refer to wasn't the number of times the Taser was discharged during this particular use, it was the total number of times the Taser had been discharged on that battery.

After a Taser is used, the data can be downloaded. It shows the date and time of each discharge and the length of each discharge. What is puzzling the cops is why it shows it had been discharged 28 times when the cops only discharged it three times. There are a couple possibilities: The cops really did pull the trigger 28 times, which is highly unlikely because it would have required that the cops pull the trigger repeatedly with over 5 seconds between each pull*; the battery was loose and each time it connected it counted it as another discharge; the 28 discharges were over a long period of time (the article doesn't give enough information to determine this) and counted times the Taser was test fired; or the Taser could have malfunctioned in another way.

*It's far more common for a cop to hold the trigger down longer than he thought. In those cases it will show as one continuous discharge, not 28 separate discharges. Unless the battery was loose, in which case`it could have kept connecting and disconnecting 28 times. That's what I suspect happened and why the Taser wasn't as effective as it should have been.
 
2009-06-17 09:13:13 PM  
CruiserTwelve: There are a couple possibilities: The cops really did pull the trigger 28 times, which is highly unlikely because it would have required that the cops pull the trigger repeatedly with over 5 seconds between each pull*;

I guess the "Suffer, miscreant! Mwa ha ha ha!" option is right out, then?
 
2009-06-17 09:14:15 PM  
CruiserTwelve

:

"the Taser wasn't as effective as it should have been."


But dude DIED and that's not as effective as it could be?
 
2009-06-17 09:19:12 PM  
thesubliminalman: But dude DIED and that's not as effective as it could be?

Hell, it took 28 times! There's a lot of room for improvement there.

/somewhere in here is a joke about the little criminal guy being another shrimp on the barbie but I can't quite make it work
 
2009-06-17 09:19:48 PM  
"Mr Leavers has called on the State Government to immediately free up funds to install camera attachments on all Tasers."

I can only guess the camera will be no more effective than the taser.
 
2009-06-17 09:21:21 PM  
erewhon: thesubliminalman: But dude DIED and that's not as effective as it could be?

Hell, it took 28 times! There's a lot of room for improvement there.

/somewhere in here is a joke about the little criminal guy being another shrimp on the barbie but I can't quite make it work


An thats him hanging on the shed Jed, tase my Kangaroo down clown...
 
2009-06-17 09:27:15 PM  
thesubliminalman: "Mr Leavers has called on the State Government to immediately free up funds to install camera attachments on all Tasers miscreants."

FTFT. I'm thinking I had it backwards. Instead of having all the cops wear cameras, it would be more straightforward to have the officers toss something like an ELASTIC camera at the malfeasant. Think referees throwing flags at a football game. Then wade in and beat hell out of him as required. There would be multiple angle recordings to prove it was necessary. And it would be pretty intimidating - if you knew that was the prelude to 'forceful restraint' you might quit yer yappin.
 
2009-06-17 09:38:07 PM  
We should just go back to shooting the farkers who do not co-operate.
 
2009-06-17 09:40:17 PM  
have the officers toss something like an ELASTIC VELCRO camera at the malfeasant
 
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