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2009-06-17 09:33:00 AM
Joe Six-Keg: /I frakking hate stupid people.

I take it you were referring to the NYT op-ed and not to me.
 
2009-06-17 09:33:07 AM
roadmarks: X1's Here: I don't go anywhere near 4Chan, and I must have missed it while reading through these threads, but what, exactly, are they doing?

They are responsible for setting up over 9000 proxy servers that allow Iranians to keep getting their messages to each other and the rest of the world.


Yeah, but 9000 isn't evenly divisible by 7...unless you typoed and meant 9002 :)

//Good luck!
 
2009-06-17 09:33:09 AM
Joe Six-Keg: Either today or tomorrow is our lunch date. It will be an intersting and fun debate.

I hesitate to ask, since it could bring a bunch of your mom/subby's mom jibs at you, but is she a farker? If not, has she been keeping up with everything that's been going on (through BBC or another source) or is she limited to what the MSM has been revealing?
 
2009-06-17 09:33:31 AM
can't stay, just wanting to say I wish them luck.
 
2009-06-17 09:33:33 AM
Uchiha_Cycliste: UNC_Samurai: luckyeddie: drew46n2: Uchiha_Cycliste: Iran is not really that far behind IMO.



women can't be in public without covering their heads. that's pretty far.

You can't be in public without covering your dick.

Different country, different anatomical restrictions

What country lets us walk around with our schlong out?

San Francisco?


Actually, you'll get arrested in SF - head over to Berkeley for that though. In 2000 there was a nude male and female (approx 50 years old) busking band there.
 
2009-06-17 09:33:45 AM
The Icelander: roadmarks: They are responsible for setting up over 9000 proxy servers that allow Iranians to keep getting their messages to each other and the rest of the world.

Or they're making a joke about having OVER 9000. You really can't tell with those guys.


No, they're totally serious. (new window)
 
2009-06-17 09:33:49 AM
Bocanegra: Too bad our president remains silent and does nothing.

The easiest way to discredit Mousavi and the protesters would be for Obama to come out and openly support them.
 
2009-06-17 09:33:53 AM
"Members of Iran's national soccer team wore green arm and wrist bands Wednesday during their World Cup qualifying match against South Korea."
 
2009-06-17 09:34:00 AM
Uchiha_Cycliste: drew46n2: luckyeddie: drew46n2: Uchiha_Cycliste: Iran is not really that far behind IMO.



women can't be in public without covering their heads. that's pretty far.

You can't be in public without covering your dick.

Different country, different anatomical restrictions

so the religious oppression of women is the same as us not being able to walk around with our wangs out?

got it.

It's kind of a valid point, why DO we have to be not naked?


Religious oppression, of course. Naked people are sinful.
 
2009-06-17 09:34:07 AM
Ok, I'm going to bite the big bullet and actually sink to making a twitter account, just to help screen for the brave twitterers. What's the timezone/area for Iran?
 
2009-06-17 09:34:08 AM
Some pertinent comments from Glenn Greenwald:

Much of the same faction now claiming such concern for the welfare of The Iranian People are the same people who have long been advocating a military attack on Iran and the dropping of large numbers of bombs on their country -- actions which would result in the slaughter of many of those very same Iranian People. During the presidential campaign, John McCain infamously sang about Bomb, Bomb, Bomb-ing Iran. The Wall St. Journal published a war screed from Commentary's Norman Podhoretz entitled "The Case for Bombing Iran," and following that, Podhoretz said in an interview that he "hopes and prays" that the U.S. "bombs the Iranians." John Bolton and Joe Lieberman advocated the same bombing campaign, while Bill Kristol -- with typical prescience -- hopefully suggested that Bush might bomb Iran if Obama were elected. Rudy Giuliani actually said he would be open to a first-strike nuclear attack on Iran in order to stop their nuclear program.

Imagine how many of the people protesting this week would be dead if any of these bombing advocates had their way -- just as those who paraded around (and still parade around) under the banner of Liberating the Iraqi People caused the deaths of hundreds of thousands of them, at least. Hopefully, one of the principal benefits of the turmoil in Iran is that it humanizes whoever the latest Enemy is. Advocating a so-called "attack on Iran" or "bombing Iran" in fact means slaughtering huge numbers of the very same people who are on the streets of Tehran inspiring so many -- obliterating their homes and workplaces, destroying their communities, shattering the infrastructure of their society and their lives. The same is true every time we start mulling the prospect of attacking and bombing another country as though it's some abstract decision in a video game.


Link (^)
 
2009-06-17 09:34:08 AM
Some background on the goings-on

-Basij

The Basij, as Tat said, are the largest student union in Iran. They are a Volunteer-based paramilitary force founded by the original Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini in late 1979. They recieve their orders directly from the Ayatollah, though ostensibly they are a division of the IRG. Originally, they were supposed to include those "Either too young or old for regular military service." (Interesting note: originally they also included women. ) However, lately they have been composed of those who are willing to do the Ayatollah's dirty work for him. With no "official" ties to him, they can act in a situation, and the Ayatollah can retain plausible deniability. Their Original purpose was (from wikipedia here): law enforcement, emergency management, providing of social service, organizing of public religious ceremonies, and more controvercially morals policing and suppression of dissident gatherings.(end wikiquote) It is also helpful to note that the organization is quite pervasive; with a chapter in almost every city, it is quite hard to escape their notice.

Originally a badge of honor, the title of "Baseej" has become synonymous with armed thuggery in recent years. The election of Ahmadinejad marked a very conservative shift in public opinion. The Ayatollah seems to have taken this as a carte' blance to send his 'enforcers' to quell any dissent. The Basij played a pivotal part in the Iran-Iraq war. They were pivotal in that many thousands of teenagers sacrificed their lives in order to clear minefields near Iraqi positions. The teenagers believed they were martyrs and sang songs about the greatest Shi'ite martyer, Imam Hussein. By the end of the war, 2.4 million Basij had been trained, and 450k had been sent to the front. (no info on how many died) The Basij have several divisions, usually based out of the local Mosque, but chapters exist in all primary, secondary, and post-secondary educational institutions, as well as among the integrated Kurds, and other tribes.

The Basij are not all bad, however. They still carry out their role as emergency response and first aid administrators in the event of natural disasters. They have recently been criticised, however, for causing more injuries than they mend. Their role as anti-dissident thugs was really quite minimal compared to their contemporary status, before the election of Ahmadinejad. With his election, they experienced a rebirth, both in numbers and in purpose. He stated the purpose of this genesis as preparation for them to assume "riot-control responsibilities."

In some ways, the Basij can be compared to the Catholic sect of Opus Dei, in that they are hyper-strict doctrinal observers. The muslim dietary prohibitions (Halal) and prohibitions of vice such as alcohol and pornography are a requirement of membership, and a common focus of their work. Being that Iran is an Islamic religious republic, such vices and dietary restrictions are respectively prohibited and required by law, and anyone found to break these requirements is a criminal. (interesting note: The rebirth that was started by Ahmadinejad only included the male branches of the Basij.) Their numbers are estimated at 12.5 million, with 5 million being women. The women are traditionally charged with caretaker and infrastructural roles, supporting the work of the "Ashura" (male) battalions, while not usually taking part in their "riot-busting" (my phrase) activities.

The Basij are prohibited from carrying firearms except under "special circumstances," but are not prohibited from carrying any other weapon. This is why we are seeing a large amount of beatings and machete attacks currently.

Ansar-e-Hezbollah

Literally "Supporters of the party of God," the ansar are a conservative Islamic Militia. They are specific to Iran, and have existed only after the revolution, with their "official" creation dated around 1995, and roots going back as far as 1979. They adhere to the principles outlined in the first Ayatollah's book, Valiyat al-faqih.

While having no official ties to the government, many are also members of the Basij, or veterans of the the Iraq war, and thus have strong loyalty to the Ayatollahs and the Supreme Ayatollah Kahmeini. (as are the Basij) They are most certanly financed by senior clerics, perhaps even members of the Guardian Council itself. (no real proof of this, as there really isnt transparency of personal finances of the Ayatollahs). They have also been charged with high profile murders.

IF you're trying to identify them in a photograph, they commonly dress in black, have full, foot-long beards and wear the Keffiyeh on their shoulders or arms. (think: checkerboard tablecloth that Yasser Arafat used to wear.)

Velayat-e Faqih


Literally "Islamic Government" in english, this is the book written by the original Ayatollah Khomeini. It was published in 1970, and according to wiki, it is "probably the most influential document written in modern times in support of theocratic rule."

The book says basically what you'd expect, (Yay sharia! boo secular gov't!) and sets the stage for the "democracy" of iran. The book says that a secular government is all fine and dandy, but you need a council of faqih (islamic jurists) to make sure that the secular gov't adheres to Sharia.

What happens if public opinion moves away from Sharia and toward a more modern form of gov't you ask? Ask the Basij, they'll tell you.

Ironically, these are the stated purposed of the book, and the gov't it advocates: (again, according to wiki)

1. to prevent "encroachment by oppressive ruling classes on the rights of the weak," and plundering and corruption of the people for the sake of "pleasure and material interest"

2. to prevent "Innovation" in islamic law, "and the approval of the anti-islamic laws by sham parliaments"

3. to preserve "The Islamic order" and keep all individuals on "the just path of Islam without deviation, it is because the just Fuqaha (plural Faqih) have not had executive power in the land inhabited by Muslims... that Islam has declined."

4. To destroy "the influence of foreign powers in the Islamic lands."

He goes on to list the problems with secular gov'ts: (again, wiki)

1. mired by red tape thanks to "superfluous bureaucracies"

2. suffers from "reckless spending" and "constant embezzlement" and in the case of Iran, forcing it to "request aid or a loan from" abroad and hence "to bow in submission before America and Britain.

3. has excessively harsh punishments (Hah!)

4. and though democracies may be made up of elected reps, they do not "truly belong to the people" in the case of Muslim countries

It goes on to establish the authority of the Guardian Council as the same as Muhammed, using a saying attributed to the first Imam, Ali:

The seat you occupy is filled by someone who is a prophet, the legatee of a prophet, or else a sinful wretch.

He then goes on to "reason" that " a trained jurist can neither be a prophet, nor a sinful wretch, so they must be a legatee of a prophet."

Next he describes the reasons why this government hasn't been enacted: (my summary) Westerners hate the muslims of iran and want them to be poor and vice-riddled buffoons who can be exploited. also, every time an islamic gov't is attempted, we westerners stop them because we know it would work, as we were once ruled by islam. (see: spain)

There are many functional problems with the government outlined in this book, but those are a topic for another post.
 
2009-06-17 09:34:22 AM
tbernot: I_C_Weener: This is way better than a yellow magnetic ribbon.

Cheaper too!


I was about to say, it's too bad we can't make money off this.
 
2009-06-17 09:34:33 AM
OG Rafsanjani may be making move to unseat Khamenei. #Iranelection #Iranelections

Seems to be picking up steam.
 
2009-06-17 09:34:38 AM
Bocanegra: "Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty." - JFK


Too bad our president remains silent and does nothing.


The price Barack Obama is paying is shutting the fark up, which is an extremely hard thing for any politician to do. Any publicly acknowledged support coming from the US government would be the kiss of death for the revolutionaries. We cannot let this be portrayed as unrest stirred up by the Great Satan. Covert help is fine, and I wouldn't be suprised if we're already doing so, but by its nature Obama can't acknowledge it.
 
2009-06-17 09:34:41 AM
NEDM: xanadian: Where are those transmissions you intercepted? What have you done with those plans?

These aren't the ballot boxes you are looking for.


He must have hid the plans in the escape pod.
 
2009-06-17 09:34:44 AM
Murkanen: X1's Here: I don't go anywhere near 4Chan, and I must have missed it while reading through these threads, but what, exactly, are they doing?

DDoS on the government sites and setting up/running proxies for the protesters.


Speaking of the government anyone wanna lay odds on how many of our govt agencies are watching these threads?

/do what you guys do... and do it as well as you do!
 
2009-06-17 09:34:55 AM
SilentStrider: can't stay, just wanting to say I wish them luck.

Tweet it then - let the protesters know that the rest of the world is following and cares.
 
2009-06-17 09:35:14 AM
NotSoNiceBunny: Uchiha_Cycliste: UNC_Samurai: luckyeddie: drew46n2: Uchiha_Cycliste: Iran is not really that far behind IMO.



women can't be in public without covering their heads. that's pretty far.

You can't be in public without covering your dick.

Different country, different anatomical restrictions

What country lets us walk around with our schlong out?

San Francisco?

Actually, you'll get arrested in SF - head over to Berkeley for that though. In 2000 there was a nude male and female (approx 50 years old) busking band there.


Believe me, I know about Naked Guy, I started at Cal in 2001.
\Go bears!
 
2009-06-17 09:35:17 AM
MBarry: Back at work now, so I take it there were no major developments over night.

Which is bad news for Iran, because our overnight is their early morning to mid afternoon.

Something better happen over there or this will be known as the revolution that wasn't.
 
2009-06-17 09:35:22 AM
El_Swino: I was about to say, it's too bad we can't make money off this.

The revolution will not be capitalized.
 
2009-06-17 09:35:30 AM
[unconfirmed rt] Mousavi disappeared, taken away from house, one minute ago

If this is true, then AhmaDinnerJacket and company are dumber than I thought. The worst possible thing they could do would be to make Mousavi a martyr.

The pesky thing about martyrs, their image can be twisted to stand for something far different from what they stood for in life. Mousavi's relatively conservative even if he is "reformist" relative to the current batch of idiots. His supporters by and large seem to desire the change to go much farther than he does. If he becomes a martyr, however, how far Mousavi actually wanted to go becomes irrelevant. The pro-reform group'll have a rallying point for pushing for far greater reform than Mousavi ever would permit himself.
 
2009-06-17 09:35:31 AM
drew46n2: luckyeddie: drew46n2: Uchiha_Cycliste: Iran is not really that far behind IMO.



women can't be in public without covering their heads. that's pretty far.

You can't be in public without covering your dick.

Different country, different anatomical restrictions

so the religious oppression of women is the same as us not being able to walk around with our wangs out?

got it.


Think about it.

Who dictated that sex was 'dirty'?

God-botherers.

QED.
 
2009-06-17 09:35:39 AM
xellas84: Ok, I'm going to bite the big bullet and actually sink to making a twitter account, just to help screen for the brave twitterers. What's the timezone/area for Iran?

GMT +3:30
 
2009-06-17 09:35:40 AM
Bocanegra: "Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty." - JFK


*redacted to protect people from stupid troll quote*


Shut up. Just shut your mouth. People like you are the reason the rest of the world thinks Americans are shoot first, ask no questions buckaroos with a hard-on for bombing the crap out of brown people. You and the rest of your troll brethren need to shut your godsdamned pieholes and watch how grown-up people handle real-world events. Stop making this about OUR President (whom you're supposed to support in time of war, or is that only when it's your guy?), and keep it about the people in Iran. They need at least our moral support for now, so man up and quit your stupid bleating because your girl didn't win.

/yeah, I'm pissed
//and I bit at trollbait
///felt pretty good, too.
 
2009-06-17 09:35:45 AM
OG:

Iran theatening Youtube and twitter with legal action if they keep us online #Iranelection #Iranelections1 minute ago from web

Mousavi called mass official rally tomorrow. Khatami will ask for anullment #Iranelections2 minutes ago from web

Rafsanjani may be making move to unseat Khamenei. #Iranelection #Iranelections3 minutes ago from web
 
2009-06-17 09:35:48 AM
the American MSM is so useless in this situation.

Having to get any real news through FARK makes me feel like I'm my grandparents huddeling around the radio listening to events
unfolding in a far away Poland back in 1939.
 
2009-06-17 09:36:15 AM
OG Iran theatening Youtube and twitter with legal action if they keep us online #Iranelection #Iranelections
half a minute ago from web

Do we need to start an email campaign to Twitter and Youtube to keep things up and going?
 
2009-06-17 09:36:20 AM
UPDATE FOR DC FARKERS (AND Nemo's Brother): THE DATE FOR THE RALLY HAS MYSTERIOUSLY CHANGED TO 2 DAYS AGO. I TAKE IT THERE'S NO EVENT TONIGHT. STAY TUNED TO FOR MORE UPDATES.
 
2009-06-17 09:36:26 AM
roadmarks: Tweet it then - let the protesters know that the rest of the world is following and cares.

If the internet is still so farked in Iran, clogging up their feed is probably a bad idea.
 
2009-06-17 09:36:33 AM
RT form OG:
Iran theatening Youtube and twitter with legal action if they keep us online
 
2009-06-17 09:36:35 AM
I_C_Weener: This is way better than a yellow magnetic ribbon.

I know... I've worn a green shirt to work every day this week. But it doesn't seem to be doing anything!

*claps tor Tinkerbell*
 
2009-06-17 09:36:39 AM
sensualstrwbry: Alacritous: "I realize now i do not fear death. I fear my daughter will not be free when i die."

That keeps getting retweeted. I think it's the most powerful sentence I have ever read in my life.

NR has been very poignant and heart warming through all of this.

Haven't seen much from him since yesterday, but he was doing EMS in the streets, he's a med student and at one point yesterday he was trying to get medical advice about getting metal out of someone's hard palate through twitter... he's pretty incredible.


Can I get this guys twitter? EIP.
 
2009-06-17 09:36:43 AM
Arkitekt4040: Any confirmation of the rumors regarding the Ayatollahs meeting to toss Khameni out?

nope. more realistic situation would be them spooking him into tossing A-jad out
 
2009-06-17 09:36:43 AM
Another thread, another day of Zero productivity. Wearing Green for my 4th day in a row, telling everyone i can about what is going on and why it does matter.

On a purely selfish side note - if a moderate government does take shape, I am doing a fall trip to Tehran. Seriously, I have to go there now, I knew Iran was a beautiful country already but now that I know the people are this awesome, I have to go. Nothing worse than traveling to a new country and finding out the people are dicks (Im looking at you Nicaragua!)
 
2009-06-17 09:36:44 AM
Murkanen: X1's Here: I don't go anywhere near 4Chan, and I must have missed it while reading through these threads, but what, exactly, are they doing?

DDoS on the government sites and setting up/running proxies for the protesters.


or as they like to call it, Tuesday.
 
2009-06-17 09:36:51 AM
UNC_Samurai: What country lets us walk around with our schlong out?

You're already packing, aren't you?

/our schlong?
//Not sharing!

Gsm136: Angry Buddha: Gsm136: BBC are showing images of the Iranian football wearing the green armbands.

William Hague (Opposition MP, UK) has also been on denouncing Iran in what IMHO is the most hardened criticism by a leading UK politician, and got a "'ere 'ere from me"

I can't find those images (or, strangely, any recent mention or the Iranian team). Have a link handy?

It's coming on the News 24 channel every now and then,

As for the football team
Link (new window)


Thankee, sai!
 
2009-06-17 09:36:55 AM
MBarry: 829[nospam-﹫-backwards]li­amg­*c­om

Just sent you the names of the three that are the most reliable.
 
2009-06-17 09:37:01 AM
NotSoNiceBunny: Actually, you'll get arrested in SF - h

Also... not at the raves I've been to. But I guess that's a horse of a different color.
 
2009-06-17 09:37:25 AM
From oxfordgirl: Iran theatening Youtube and twitter with legal action if they keep us online #Iranelection #Iranelections2 minutes ago from web

That's rich. I'd volunteer to do the defense on that suit.
 
2009-06-17 09:37:33 AM
Sooo, what I'm getting from the protesters is...

"MONTAZERI/MOUSAVI '09!"
 
2009-06-17 09:37:34 AM
StephenAtHome: #iranianelection (this has nothing to do with the election, i just wanted in on the tweet market share)

(That's Stephen Colbert)
 
2009-06-17 09:37:51 AM
EchoMike: Iran theatening Youtube and twitter with legal action if they keep us online

good luck with that
 
2009-06-17 09:38:05 AM
PartTimeBuddha: Uchiha_Cycliste: NEDM: xanadian: Where are those transmissions you intercepted? What have you done with those plans?

These aren't the ballot boxes you are looking for.

These aren't the ballot boxes we are looking for.

I have altered our election. Pray I do not alter it further.


That's no mullah.
 
2009-06-17 09:38:06 AM
4 of the Iranian national football team players are wearing GREEN wristbands. #Iranelection #iranianelection #iran

Bridge of Karim-Khan Street after the 7-Tir square is full of people who are walking in silence towards the Vali-Asr Sq.

More and more people are coming

Tabesh
 
2009-06-17 09:38:07 AM
Balder333: the American MSM is so useless in this situation.

Having to get any real news through FARK makes me feel like I'm my grandparents huddeling around the radio listening to events
unfolding in a far away Poland back in 1939.


Only you keep having to hit refresh.
 
2009-06-17 09:38:11 AM
roadmarks: Uchiha_Cycliste: drew46n2: luckyeddie: drew46n2: Uchiha_Cycliste: Iran is not really that far behind IMO.



women can't be in public without covering their heads. that's pretty far.

You can't be in public without covering your dick.

Different country, different anatomical restrictions

so the religious oppression of women is the same as us not being able to walk around with our wangs out?

got it.

It's kind of a valid point, why DO we have to be not naked?

Religious oppression, of course. Naked people are sinful.



good question, but i dont mind it. i really dont want to see anyones tropical forests while at starbucks or wherever
 
2009-06-17 09:38:20 AM
Uchiha_Cycliste: NotSoNiceBunny: Uchiha_Cycliste: UNC_Samurai: luckyeddie: drew46n2: Uchiha_Cycliste: Iran is not really that far behind IMO.



women can't be in public without covering their heads. that's pretty far.

You can't be in public without covering your dick.

Different country, different anatomical restrictions

What country lets us walk around with our schlong out?

San Francisco?

Actually, you'll get arrested in SF - head over to Berkeley for that though. In 2000 there was a nude male and female (approx 50 years old) busking band there.

Believe me, I know about Naked Guy, I started at Cal in 2001.
\Go bears!


Go bare?

/or have I accidentally Rotsky'ed the thread?
 
2009-06-17 09:38:21 AM
MBarry: UPDATE FOR DC FARKERS (AND Nemo's Brother): THE DATE FOR THE RALLY HAS MYSTERIOUSLY CHANGED TO 2 DAYS AGO. I TAKE IT THERE'S NO EVENT TONIGHT. STAY TUNED TO FOR MORE UPDATES.

*MORBO*
EVENT PLANNING DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY!
 
2009-06-17 09:38:41 AM
I thought I saw some highlights on the news the other night, then I realized it was just footage of the L.A. streets after the Lakers won the title.
 
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