I don't go anywhere near 4Chan, and I must have missed it while reading through these threads, but what, exactly, are they doing?

suebhoney: Joe Six-Keg: suebhoney: Cinaed: suebhoney: UNC_Samurai: They're still running those "Keep pressure on Iran to stop them from building nukes" 527 ads on CNN. Someone please tell their ad manager about tact.

Fark has more tact than CNN, what does that tell us?

The MSM is shameless.

It's a question that is appropriate 'after' this has played out.
Honestly, the discourse, in terms of content, would be largely the same if these reformists manage to really do what it looks like they're gonna do...

But the tenor, the nature of the dialog between US and Iran, will be vastly different.

It's this new dialogue I am hopeful for, as I am ashamed of my gov't has done in the past to Iran.

I have the utmost respect for the Iranian people (always have as the populace != the gov't there) and over the last few days they have shown me once again how deserving of that respect they are.

I was actually talking to my mom about this, and have brought it up on occasion. Slight background: We go to lunch once a week and we have discussions about politics. It gets spirited.

Anyway, I've been telling her that eventually, the people of Iran were going to revolt. She kept saying no, they're very religious, there's no way they'd go against the holy ones in charge, etc, etc. My argument has been that these are the young people, the ones born just before or after the 1979 revolution and don't remember why the US is The Great Satan, or more likely don't care. Granted, the rhetoric of the prior administration really didn't help matters, as it allowed the making of a national enemy again.

Now things have changed. Now we're seeing what happens when the people realize they have power. Gods willing, they use is responsibly.

Either today or tomorrow is our lunch date. It will be an intersting and fun debate.

Sounds fun! Let me know what happens :D

It does get rather spirited. I've found that my mom's foriegn policy ideas will never get her elected to anything. Kinda goes like this:

Me: Mom, what do you think we should do about the drug trafficking in Afghanistan?
Mom: NUKE EM!
Me: What about Iraq?
Mom: NUKE EM!
Me: And what would you say about---
Mom: NUKE EM! NUKE EM ALL! *insert maniacal laughter here*

I exaggerate, of course. She knows saying that gets the debate going. She's a former dyed-in-the-wool Republican who voted Democratic for the first time in her life. She's really interested in what's going on with Iran, too, because of where she works. She's in agreement with me about the US government doing exactly what it's doing now (nothing) while the people of the US and the world do what we're doing, which is what jack21221 put so eloquently.

Please, whatever powers that be there are, don't let this screw up.

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The Iranian government said that they would seek the death penalty for anyone believed to have aided in organizing the protests. I don't know how credible this is, given the source.

That actually wouldn't surprise me, I've said a few times I think the protesters are fighting for their lives. They must succeed in a revolution or else.

Imagine if death or imprisonment was a possible outcome for people camped on the White House lawn protesting for gay rights or against the president's economic policy?

I have a lot to be grateful for; and often I take it for granted. :(

Yes we do. And it was only 30+ years ago that you ran the real risk of getting beat up or killed HERE while protesting. Kent State, Cal FSM. Racial integration/ending Jim crow/anti-misegination etc. Iran is not really that far behind IMO.

THe difference is, we condemend those on both sides who escalated the protests. The Iranian government is not copndemning people shooting protestors. This is more like Tieneman Square.

I'm not sure if I entirely agree. Getting rid of Jim Crow took A LOT of work.
My history is shiat, but didn't the Mississippi governor do his damndest to maintain segregation? Since it was more of a state issue than federal can we really say the gov condemned it? It was really OK for cops to beat anyone who wasn't white. Many died. It's a dark chapter.

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The Iranian government said that they would seek the death penalty for anyone believed to have aided in organizing the protests. I don't know how credible this is, given the source.

That actually wouldn't surprise me, I've said a few times I think the protesters are fighting for their lives. They must succeed in a revolution or else.

Imagine if death or imprisonment was a possible outcome for people camped on the White House lawn protesting for gay rights or against the president's economic policy?

I have a lot to be grateful for; and often I take it for granted. :(

Yes we do. And it was only 30+ years ago that you ran the real risk of getting beat up or killed HERE while protesting. Kent State, Cal FSM. Racial integration/ending Jim crow/anti-misegination etc. Iran is not really that far behind IMO.

This feels more like the French revolution to me than the civil rights movement. I'd fully expect heads rolling no matter which side wins. While these events may end up being great, the will NOT be pretty.

This is a good point, I neglected to consider. However, we don't know what will happen when the revolution succeeds, just that we suspect a bloodbath if it doesn't.

BBC are showing images of the Iranian football wearing the green armbands.

William Hague (Opposition MP, UK) has also been on denouncing Iran in what IMHO is the most hardened criticism by a leading UK politician, and got a "'ere 'ere from me"

nekom: Joe Six-Keg: Better than not doing it at all.

True. Actually the young internet crowd HATES censorship, that's probably their real motivation. It's the same thing that got them pissy about the scientologists. Free and open exchange of information FTW.

I guess we could call this Digital Revolution II: Electronic Boogaloo.

Murkanen: X1's Here: I don't go anywhere near 4Chan, and I must have missed it while reading through these threads, but what, exactly, are they doing?

DDoS on the government sites and setting up/running proxies for the protesters.

Ah! Most excellent.
Thank you.

MonkeyVegetables: Uchiha_Cycliste: This is a good point, I neglected to consider. However, we don't know what will happen when if the revolution succeeds, just that we suspect a bloodbath if it doesn't.

FTFY

that wasn't an accident.

Hope and change FTW!

You can tell the East Coast is awake, RT from about 5 hours ago are flooding the #iranelection #gr88

Joe Six-Keg: I guess we could call this Digital Revolution II: Electronic Boogaloo.

I think that's pretty accurate really. The thing about the internet is that once you have a pipe, you can't control what comes through it. Once a repressed population sees the greater world around them, can communicate semi-anonymously, and has all the world's information at their fingertips, it's hard to keep them down.

@BreakingNews on Twitter says:

Tehran Governor Tamaddon says 7 people were killed and 29 others injured during the protests on Monday, the first number on wounded.

MonkeyVegetables: Uchiha_Cycliste: This is a good point, I neglected to consider. However, we don't know what will happen when or if the this or the next revolution succeeds, just that we suspect a bloodbath if it doesn't.

FTFY

At this point, it could go either way. The thing is, the people have gotten a taste of revolution. They weren't prepared for something like this. Now they know what to expect and will prepare accordingly, should the current one fail. I'm hoping it doesn't. Should it fail, this won't happen again for at least a decade, maybe longer.

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The Iranian government said that they would seek the death penalty for anyone believed to have aided in organizing the protests. I don't know how credible this is, given the source.

That actually wouldn't surprise me, I've said a few times I think the protesters are fighting for their lives. They must succeed in a revolution or else.

Imagine if death or imprisonment was a possible outcome for people camped on the White House lawn protesting for gay rights or against the president's economic policy?

I have a lot to be grateful for; and often I take it for granted. :(

Yes we do. And it was only 30+ years ago that you ran the real risk of getting beat up or killed HERE while protesting. Kent State, Cal FSM. Racial integration/ending Jim crow/anti-misegination etc. Iran is not really that far behind IMO.

I can appreciate the parallel you're trying to draw, but I disagree when looking at he whole picture. Iran 2009 is vastly different from USA 1979, 1969, or 1959.

We can save this debate for later, I reckon.

I guess we can. Seemed like something legitimate to discuss while things wake up. Also added perspective to JUST how lucky we REALLY are right now, in this country.
I heart USA.

Is there a list of Tweets we should Ignore.

http://twitter.com/Obamaspy
/FreeMediaNews

MonkeyVegetables: off to work now

/wearing green

I can't wear green today =( I have one shirt and I've been wearing it since yesterday... Black I got covered though.

bush: Checking in for the day shift.

w007!

nekom: NEDM: Yeah. Who new that 4chan would go down doing something awesome like this?

It's called being right for the wrong reasons. They're just doing it for the lulz.

Isn't everything for teh lulz nowadays if you're 1337?

/do people still type '1337'?
//lawn - get off it

Too bad our president remains silent and does nothing.

Good point there, maybe you care to back it up by shutting the fark up you weapons grade tardbucket?

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<font color="#009933">your text here</font>

Into your comment screen, and replace "your text here" with, well, um, your text.

This is way better than a yellow magnetic ribbon.

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The Iranian government said that they would seek the death penalty for anyone believed to have aided in organizing the protests. I don't know how credible this is, given the source.

That actually wouldn't surprise me, I've said a few times I think the protesters are fighting for their lives. They must succeed in a revolution or else.

Imagine if death or imprisonment was a possible outcome for people camped on the White House lawn protesting for gay rights or against the president's economic policy?

I have a lot to be grateful for; and often I take it for granted. :(

Yes we do. And it was only 30+ years ago that you ran the real risk of getting beat up or killed HERE while protesting. Kent State, Cal FSM. Racial integration/ending Jim crow/anti-misegination etc. Iran is not really that far behind IMO.

THe difference is, we condemend those on both sides who escalated the protests. The Iranian government is not copndemning people shooting protestors. This is more like Tieneman Square.

I'm not sure if I entirely agree. Getting rid of Jim Crow took A LOT of work.
My history is shiat, but didn't the Mississippi governor do his damndest to maintain segregation? Since it was more of a state issue than federal can we really say the gov condemned it? It was really OK for cops to beat anyone who wasn't white. Many died. It's a dark chapter.


I was talking about peoples reaction at things like the Kent State. The movements themselves were important.

Bondidude: Uchiha_Cycliste: MonkeyVegetables: off to work now

/wearing green

I can't wear green today =( I have one shirt and I've been wearing it since yesterday... Black I got covered though.

I'm wearing a black polo with a green bandana on my arm and Green Chuck Taylors.

More than one way to wear Green! :-)

It's true, but I've been at work since yesterday too... lose a little freedom that way.

drew46n2: Uchiha_Cycliste: Iran is not really that far behind IMO.



women can't be in public without covering their heads. that's pretty far.

You can't be in public without covering your dick.

Different country, different anatomical restrictions