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2009-06-17 01:36:07 AM
geom_00: Tatsuma, Weaver95, Persepolis, PartTimeBuddah, and part of IXI JIM IXI's handles were all in that...as is shiat


For the sake of wordle, or perhaps just because, we should end all of our posts with farkahmadinejad.

/farkahmadinejad
 
2009-06-17 01:36:10 AM
Has this thread gone to plaid yet?

Oh well, off to bed for me. With dreams of tweets in my head. Too much tweeting today!
 
2009-06-17 01:36:13 AM
Uchiha_Cycliste: I guess it becomes something that has to be partially nationalized. We all saw how badly Gray Davis deregulating power in CA farked things. Can't we anticipate the same problem occurring soon here. Further, I honestly believe we have a president that wants whats best for this country and it's citizens. Can we put faith in him realizing what's at stake here and doing the right thing? Or will this not come to a head during his administration?

Not, not nationalized. Squarely something that should be at the state or, preferably, local level. Nationalizing it would probably make it even worse.
 
2009-06-17 01:36:19 AM
at80eighty: hipsellipsis: I made a post yesterday saying that the Iranian people need to arm themselves, pick off Basij etc, and hang them from lampposts.

I was lampooned by a couple of idealists, but I have to say, I stand by post. Without direct violent action, and sheer force of numbers, this "revolution" is doomed to failure.

The military will fragment is they are called upon to kill their own. They are different from the Basij and Ansar and Hezbollah.
I worked with a very well connected Persian PhD. We talked about this scenario many times. The bulk of the military will come out of the people's side.

I'm sorry, farkers. That's the way it is. Without violence from the masses, this is all going to peter out and many brave and courageous people will be jailed, some even executed.

and normally I'd agree

but the army is the swing factor. so far they have not gone against the people since they didnt need to be quelled. do you think they would stay silent if things got violent?

and how does one arm millions of people overnight? lots of places are even blockaded - personally I'm all for removing extremist elements with a dose of their own medicine , but what are the logistics of making that happen?
 
2009-06-17 01:36:29 AM
Falcc:
There is no snarky comment I can make to encompass how much I want to help the youth of Persia achieve a society in which their smoking hot women can wear revealing clothing and be promiscuous. Also, democracy, I guess.

/oh wait, there was one


Smoking hot promiscuous Persian women in revealing clothes is a cause worth dying for in my book.
 
2009-06-17 01:36:48 AM
Aw, crap, forced pagination... Damn you, Fark.
 
2009-06-17 01:37:08 AM
Anaxphone: rathoth: And the Rifts is only for the setting, no one uses the actual rules. Not even the creator!

Ah, Palladium...

Last summer I did a minicampaign of TMNT for my group. I used the RAW, even where they contradicted themselves. If they could cite the proper rule in a timely manner, they got to use it. It was a ...surreal... experience, but hilarious.


When you say Palladium, do you mean a really fast Sparc chip?
 
2009-06-17 01:37:09 AM
Uchiha_Cycliste: chrylis: Uchiha_Cycliste: They can stop it if the ISPs collude, as they're increasingly doing. That's why MHO is that we should separate the infrastructure business, which was built on the back of formal monopolies, from the service business.

Still, even if that were to go down, could local new ISP's pop up and give access to the backbone? I kind of thought the capitalist nature of the internet/this country would guarantee it.

The problem is that rebuilding the last-mile infrastructure would likely cost hundreds of billions. The local phone and cable companies were able to build them by charging monopoly rents because they had (and usually still have) contracts with the city that ban any competition.

I'm not a fan of regulation generally, but "deregulating" the Internet-access market is like flying one kid to the top of Mt. Everest and then saying that you're not going to interfere with King of the Hill. The only solution I see is coop-owned (or similar) last-mile infrastructure so that ISPs can drop a single fiber link in the neighborhood and start offering service.

I guess it becomes something that has to be partially nationalized. We all saw how badly Gray Davis deregulating power in CA farked things. Can't we anticipate the same problem occurring soon here. Further, I honestly believe we have a president that wants whats best for this country and it's citizens. Can we put faith in him realizing what's at stake here and doing the right thing? Or will this not come to a head during his administration?


Of course, that raises the problem of what you do in a situation like Iran is facing, where the government becomes openly hostile with its people.
 
2009-06-17 01:37:34 AM
Wombatzu: UberDorkGirlie: RT @Wesconsin RT: NOT CNFRMD: Mohammad Asgari, the official who leaked the real results from interior min. reportedly dead.

OK..NOW we have some news. Can ANYONE confirm/deny?
 
2009-06-17 01:38:07 AM
AndyMan1: Out of curiosity, Iranian gov't has to know that information is still leaking out via proxies etc., despite the fact they obviously are having a hard time stopping it.

They've apparently shut down SMS and cellphone coverage, why haven't they gone full blackout with the internet?


The internet is a hard thing to shut down I guess.

After all, it was designed that way.
 
2009-06-17 01:38:10 AM
Uchiha_Cycliste: I guess it becomes something that has to be partially nationalized. We all saw how badly Gray Davis deregulating power in CA farked things. Can't we anticipate the same problem occurring soon here. Further, I honestly believe we have a president that wants whats best for this country and it's citizens. Can we put faith in him realizing what's at stake here and doing the right thing? Or will this not come to a head during his administration?

Not even close. A decade, maybe two. I can tell you as a CLEC grunt that last-mile stuff is absolutely not worth the work for us. We don't even do it. Until that changes, only 1 or 2 companies are going to hold those pieces of the pie.
 
2009-06-17 01:38:15 AM
chrylis: browncoatmouse: Mrstupid7: *snip*

harlot works fantastically

In more ways than one. Tee hee.

Best job ever!

Get a room, you two!


You know you wanna watch.
 
2009-06-17 01:38:20 AM
So tats is asleep, which one of us is going to play the part of the smart one now? ;)
 
2009-06-17 01:38:36 AM
chrylis: Uchiha_Cycliste: I guess it becomes something that has to be partially nationalized. We all saw how badly Gray Davis deregulating power in CA farked things. Can't we anticipate the same problem occurring soon here. Further, I honestly believe we have a president that wants whats best for this country and it's citizens. Can we put faith in him realizing what's at stake here and doing the right thing? Or will this not come to a head during his administration?

Not, not nationalized. Squarely something that should be at the state or, preferably, local level. Nationalizing it would probably make it even worse.


Then nationalizing was the REALLY wrong word, The sentiment I meant was non Laissez Faire, in the same vein of not deregulating. I want not to see what happened to my energy bills here.
 
2009-06-17 01:38:40 AM
Tranquil Hegemony: AndyMan1: They've apparently shut down SMS and cellphone coverage, why haven't they gone full blackout with the internet?

That's what I've been wondering. Does Khamenei really need his pr0n that bad?


Pff we all know he is just using Limewire to illegally download him some Spice Girls.
 
2009-06-17 01:38:53 AM
I've been away all evening (rock climbing). Any new events in the last 4 hours?
 
2009-06-17 01:38:57 AM
geom_00: Wombatzu: UberDorkGirlie: RT @Wesconsin RT: NOT CNFRMD: Mohammad Asgari, the official who leaked the real results from interior min. reportedly dead.

OK..NOW we have some news. Can ANYONE confirm/deny?


they were saying that 12+ hours ago. never heard confirmed.
 
2009-06-17 01:38:58 AM
FishingWithFredo: It was paid for with the blood of '89.

I agree, sir. Cheers.
 
2009-06-17 01:39:07 AM
HeartBurnKid: Of course, that raises the problem of what you do in a situation like Iran is facing, where the government becomes openly hostile with its people.

Or a situation like in the US, where the government gets bought by Hollywood (see the ACTA negotiations, e.g.)... and becomes openly hostile with its people.
 
2009-06-17 01:39:08 AM
WhyteRaven74: So tats is asleep, which one of us is going to play the part of the smart one now? ;)

not it!
 
2009-06-17 01:39:28 AM
WhyteRaven74: So tats is asleep, which one of us is going to play the part of the smart one now? ;)

We are legion.
 
2009-06-17 01:39:35 AM
UberDorkGirlie: RT @Wesconsin RT: NOT CNFRMD: Mohammad Asgari, the official who leaked the real results from interior min. reportedly dead.


OK..NOW we have some news. Can ANYONE confirm/deny?

\Not my post...reposting.
 
2009-06-17 01:39:40 AM
While I'm waiting for actual information to show up...

Who or what changes the (xxx) comment counter on the main page to something other than the usual plain number?

Right now this thread is on (1/4), sometimes I see (lots) and etc etc.

I get the joke behind the change, but who decides it's crossed over from "usual conversation" to "meme time"? A system? Mods? Allah?

Just trying to keep the conversation going.

/ba dump bump
 
2009-06-17 01:39:46 AM
geom_00: Wombatzu: UberDorkGirlie: RT @Wesconsin RT: NOT CNFRMD: Mohammad Asgari, the official who leaked the real results from interior min. reportedly dead.

OK..NOW we have some news. Can ANYONE confirm/deny?


I have read this before earlier in the day in an article that I wish I still had saved, however I don't think it was confirmed. Just a rumor.
 
2009-06-17 01:40:14 AM
boobsrgood: A Christian Science Monitor thread about a Muslim nation's political unrest.

If we only had a Buddhist jerking off a Hindu with a Jew filming it, the circle of life would finally be complete.


The athiests could sit around and try to logically explain why it's not actually happening. Preferably while butt-sexing Tom Cruise.
 
2009-06-17 01:40:16 AM
Uchiha_Cycliste: Markoff_Cheney: Uchiha_Cycliste: CaesarSneezy: Markoff_Cheney: Uchiha_Cycliste: Mentat: Funk Brothers: Also, you don't need guards and jerseys to play soccer, all you need is something you can kick and a group of people. I think it's still a much more accessable sport than anythign else.

i concede my argument as every foreign film about or having any scenes with poor people has had kids playing soccer barefoot in a dirtbox at one point or another.
 
2009-06-17 01:40:32 AM
To the people who ask why Iran isn't shutting down all Internet...

It's too late for them to keep the world from seeing... So they probably want to see what's going on themselves so they can find the responsible parties and capture them.

Or spread disinformation.

/that's my guess anyway
 
2009-06-17 01:40:49 AM
Uchiha_Cycliste: Then nationalizing was the REALLY wrong word, The sentiment I meant was non Laissez Faire, in the same vein of not deregulating. I want not to see what happened to my energy bills here.

They're already deregulated. That's why we pay $70/mo in the US for 8Mbps service while Sweden pays $25/mo for 100Mbps. Heck, there was a community in North Carolina that was trying to roll out something like $40/mo 100Mbps residential service!
 
2009-06-17 01:41:01 AM
WhyteRaven74: So tats is asleep, which one of us is going to play the part of the smart one now? ;)

123 NOT IT.
 
2009-06-17 01:41:19 AM
Markoff_Cheney: yes, its boring hockey on grass with no sticks and they are total pussies.. i dont get it.

I'm not a soccer fan, but watching some clown spike a football and dance around the endzone just doesn't have the same impact after watching a guy score a goal in World Cup and then do a series of back handsprings into a flip.
 
2009-06-17 01:41:26 AM
If we only had a Buddhist jerking off a Hindu with a Jew filming it, the circle of life would finally be complete.

And the scientologists would be suing for libel.
 
2009-06-17 01:41:28 AM
Tatsuma,

I think you'll be happy to hear that your summary has been posted on the Decemberists board. And thus, the circle is complete.
 
2009-06-17 01:41:29 AM
hipsellipsis: and how does one arm millions of people overnight? lots of places are even blockaded - personally I'm all for removing extremist elements with a dose of their own medicine , but what are the logistics of making that happen?

One doesn't surreptitiously arm millions of people overnight. First of all, you've got to find the weapons, the ammo, the magazines, the maintenance gear, slings, holsters, etc. Then you've got to somehow get them all to where they're going without being intercepted and killed immediately or noticed and killed later... then you have to somehow distribute them all. If one group tries to do it, it would be impossible. If hundreds or thousands of independent operators were trying to get it done without coordination, it would still be difficult.
 
2009-06-17 01:41:43 AM
Your Vacuous Texbook: Tranquil Hegemony: AndyMan1: They've apparently shut down SMS and cellphone coverage, why haven't they gone full blackout with the internet?

That's what I've been wondering. Does Khamenei really need his pr0n that bad?

Pff we all know he is just using Limewire to illegally download him some Spice Girls.


If I was at home right now, I'd do this right now because I can.
I've got a six or seven year old version of limewire that seems to be able to find any song i want, whenever I want, always.
Joy.

\I would NEVER steal music.
 
2009-06-17 01:41:43 AM
rppp01a: I've been away all evening (rock climbing). Any new events in the last 4 hours?

Not really, everyone is just brushing their teeth and stuff, stick around some more news should be coming out.
 
2009-06-17 01:41:45 AM
Tech doods:

Trying to set up a proxy for our iranian friends. I did the virtual box set up that a farker posted earlier today. I have a proxy box running, but I don't know how to change my password, or how to find the ports to send to Iran.

Any help? I got the 411 to do this from here : http://www.exstatic.org.nyud.net:8080/proxybox/

Really could use some help here before I call it a night...
 
2009-06-17 01:41:47 AM
RichieLaw: Tech doods:

Trying to set up a proxy for our iranian friends. I did the virtual box set up that a farker posted earlier today. I have a proxy box running, but I don't know how to change my password, or how to find the ports to send to Iran.

Any help? I got the 411 to do this from here : http://www.exstatic.org.nyud.net:8080/proxybox/


i can help. EIP.
 
2009-06-17 01:41:51 AM
I don't know if anyone mentioned this yet, but couldn't the youtube videos and all that back fire if the protesters lose? I mean, after they (the government) takes control again, they can take their time and view the videos for people to arrest?

Not that I think they should stop showing what's happening at all. I'm just wondering if that's been considered. If it has, it only makes them braver in my eyes.
 
2009-06-17 01:41:53 AM
Mrstupid7: chrylis: browncoatmouse: Mrstupid7: *snip*

harlot works fantastically

In more ways than one. Tee hee.

Best job ever!

Get a room, you two!

You know you wanna watch.


I'll even pay you a bit if you run the camera!
 
2009-06-17 01:41:53 AM
OgreMagi: boobsrgood: A Christian Science Monitor thread about a Muslim nation's political unrest.

If we only had a Buddhist jerking off a Hindu with a Jew filming it, the circle of life would finally be complete.

The athiests could sit around and try to logically explain why it's not actually happening. Preferably while butt-sexing Tom Cruise.


Maybe you could get the most athiest of the atheists.
 
2009-06-17 01:41:59 AM
For the linguists, lingophiles and anyone who needs lulz right now, here's a list of the Ahmadinnerjacket variations. I still haven't searched all threads. Feel free to email me with more.

Ahmasteelinyourelection
Ahmaweddingsinger
Ahmawienerdog
Ahamadinnerjacket
Ahmalumberjack
Ahmasteelinurvotez
Ahmalittleteapot
Ahmagiantdickyouknow
Ahmoutofajob
Ahmalittlebiatch
Ahmaknowwhatyoudidlastsummer
Ahmablahjiblah
Ahmalamadingdong
Ahmaeatingurmudkipz
Ahmadoingitwrong
Ahmagonnaneedajob
Ahmegettinouttahere
Ahmagodtheherpesjad
Ahmadoodyhead
Ahmagettinganewjobsoon
Ahmaverybadman
Ahmadingaling
Ahmadink
Ahmastealtheelection
Ahmadingleberry
Ahmajellyroll
Ahmalittlegirl
Ahmagonnagetyousucka
Ahmadouchebag
Ahmadynezhad
Ahmanasshat
Ahmanidiot
Ahmadouche
Ahmadiddlepoo
 
2009-06-17 01:42:09 AM
Aidan: Not even close. A decade, maybe two. I can tell you as a CLEC grunt that last-mile stuff is absolutely not worth the work for us. We don't even do it. Until that changes, only 1 or 2 companies are going to hold those pieces of the pie.

My first job was at an regional ISP that also served as a CLEC; even when CLEC access was mandated by the FCC, it was a joke, and now they don't even pretend anymore. I'm surprised you're still around.
 
2009-06-17 01:42:37 AM
chrylis: symbolset
I really wish the kiddie diddlers didn't agree with me. If I catch you, you're going to vacation in my lime pit.
 
2009-06-17 01:42:44 AM
Markoff_Cheney: WhyteRaven74: So tats is asleep, which one of us is going to play the part of the smart one now? ;)

123 NOT IT.


too late you're it
 
2009-06-17 01:42:46 AM
We have a new thread here.
 
2009-06-17 01:42:47 AM
In the past 48 hours, while the complete ineptitude to cover Iran has been pitiful by MSNBC and contemptuous by CNN (whose already meandering hosts had little journalistic credibility to begin with), instead I find myself:

1) Receiving the most dedicated collection of reports by Fark and the others who comment on their boards. Numerous links to BBC, Al-Jazeera, etc. and a running timeline of the conflicts, demonstrations, news reports, and official statements.

2) Following Twitter as a g-ddamn VOICE OF THE REVOLUTION, and when Iran wised to it and began cutting off internet capabilities, posting propaganda to counter actual reports, while tracking IP addresses and member locations? Why it led to...

3) 4chan and thePirateBay setting up proxies, creating accounts on Twitter with Iranian timezones and locations within Tehran, creating message boards to help communications, and /b/ becoming an actual personal army with rumored 'creative' correspondence with Iranian government e-mail accounts.

To think that these demonstrations will actually sway the results takes a lot of faith that I don't have. To believe that even if Mousavi were to somehow be granted another election that he were able to win this time is almost ludicrous. That his somewhat moderate tendencies will in any way affect how Khamenei and the clerics rule with almost an insurmountable power is lunacy, and to think that even if all that succeeds, that any replacements into Iranian governance will survive long without having to succumb to corruption and an upstroke of solidification of power is simply not possible.

But those three things above? Those are evolutions that must not be taken lightly.
 
2009-06-17 01:42:49 AM
cheesemagnate: Falcc:
There is no snarky comment I can make to encompass how much I want to help the youth of Persia achieve a society in which their smoking hot women can wear revealing clothing and be promiscuous. Also, democracy, I guess.

/oh wait, there was one

Smoking hot promiscuous Persian women in revealing clothes is a cause worth dying for in my book.


I don't know. I think in some respects it would be a shame. Rightly or wrongly, I think I attach that with Western consumerism and hedonism and general decadent stupidity. I'd hate to see such a proud and unique civilization become another mini-America.

/yeah i know
//in before 40-year-old virgin pic
///persian chicks are super hot
 
2009-06-17 01:42:59 AM
ok, pagination... new thread or i'm getting some sleep.
 
2009-06-17 01:43:39 AM
I found a Fark stats program that I wrote for the epic geek thread, so here's some fapping material for narcissists.

(btw: whoever started with the thread numbers seems to be off by one)

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