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2009-06-16 05:04:31 PM
bartink: He spoke of that in his Weeners to the crisis.

That doesn't seem very presidential ...:/
 
2009-06-16 05:04:31 PM
jeffspec: So to call it a part of the Colored Revolution as the talking heads are now doing is only half correct. The Colored Revolutions were by definition failures since they didn't seek to establish a new regime or system of government, but more or less a hard reform by means of protests after flawed elections. Those were marked by nonviolence, something that is, unfortunately, evident in this case now. The Green Revolution should not be classified as a Color Revolution. It breaks that mold.

Yes, I'd agree with that
 
2009-06-16 05:04:32 PM
Dire: If you're wondering why the MSM like CNN is sucking in their coverage of these events, remember that the MSM exists for their own profit under the pretext of journalism. And by profit I don't just mean $$$. There is a lot to "profit" besides money flowing in. Profit = anything that those in charge of the organizations feels benefits them.

Revolution is a contageous feeling. In our society, the MSM (as well as the mainstream politicians) depend on maintaining and instigating the drama of the false dichotomy puppet show "left vs. right/liberal vs. conservative," as it keeps the masses polarized, more predictable, easier to exploit and control.

The MSM loves a predictable audience whose passions can easily be managed and swayed in directions that benefit the MSM most. The fact that there are so many people (myself included) captivated by the Twitter posts, Fark threads, etc. and not mindlessly consuming the MSM's managed product scares the hell out of them. If the masses in our society followed our lead, suddenly the MSM's entire audience would be thinking outside the box crafted by the MSM and the government. People would be concerned with other things outside the artificial spectrum of "left wing vs. right wing" and about matters unrelated to staged political drama and Hollywood celebritards. Contageous revolutionary spirit might make people *truly* question things other than and outside of the managed and planned "issues" we are suggested to debate by those in charge.

We may not live in an absolute dictatorship where we are completely told what we can say and think under threat of death, violence, or imprisonment; but the powers-that-be in our society still have an overwhelming, if more subtle, management over the ideas, issues, and questions that the masses masticate. Rather than living in fear and suffering in a totalitarian prison of ideas, we exist in a managed bliss in a sort of "Truman Show" where the borders and threats aren't as explicit, opaque, or obvious, but are nevertheless still in place.

CNN and the like are scared right now. But what will probably happen is that when the truth about what's going on in Iran is finally revealed, the major drama will be over by then, the contageous revolutionary sympathetic spirit that is filling many of us in these sorts of forum threads and Twitter feeds right now will have largely faded, and those in the MSM (and in the governemnt) will come up with excuses and rationalizations for their behavior, and most people out there in the populace will accept their lines as legitimate.

Anyway, that's my 2 cents, and I don't claim to be omnicient about everything that motivates everyone. These are just one person's thoughts. Anyway, as much as I despise Twitter for the shallow and inane crap that it's used for during calm times, I am extremely grateful for it's existence and function in instances like these. In the next several years, technology will surely advance in a way that will make Twitter even seem slow and rickety, where real-time live sound, text, and video will be able to be transmitted and shared en masse from anywhere to anyone on Earth. The truth will become nearly impossible to censor, distort, or revise after the fact. Of course, the MSM and the powers-that-be won't like it, but unless they do something to restrict such technological advances, that time will come.


This.

/Except we have to agree to disagree on Twitter during normal times, because where else will I be able to post completely random and inane stuff like how cold it is in the data center where I work, or speculating who would win in a fight between Riddick and River Tam?
 
2009-06-16 05:04:39 PM
brigid_fitch: From PK: "IMPORTANT to all tweeters in iran - follow my next message carefuully - #Iranelection"

Something big's going on...


MARBLECAKE AND ALSO THE GAME.

/I keed, I keed. Good job everyone for picking up the media's slack.
 
2009-06-16 05:04:45 PM
I've made a wiki page to try to track down the stances of the various Grand Ayatollahs. If people could help edit it, that would be very appreciated.

Stance of Marjas on the 2009 Presidential Election in Iran

There's a lot going on in these threads, and while the Tat recap is useful, considering Iran is a theocracy, it is fairly useful to have info on what the leaders of the religion involved have to say.
 
2009-06-16 05:05:10 PM
Epiphany: Would someone please fill me in on the last few hours?

beatings, murder, arson, beatings.
 
2009-06-16 05:05:11 PM
Da Procrastinator: because good is dumb: what time is it over there at the moment?

1:30 in the morning. The meaningful tweets slowed down about this time yesterday as well.


ah I see, thanks for the info.
 
2009-06-16 05:05:26 PM
ultraholland: Epiphany: Can someone fill me in on the last few hours?

1400: Made a cheese sandwich
1500: Masturbated
1502: Masturbated again
1546: Made faces at a cat
1612: Smelled finger after toilet paper ripped
1630: Masturbated, cat watched
1650: Watched cat clean herself. Felt guilty
1703: Updated Epiphany


FTFY :D
 
2009-06-16 05:05:32 PM
MIguy: So, any proof of election fraud yet? All I keep seeing is a bunch of pissed off college kids in Tehran that are convinced that there guy won. Once city is hardly representative of the entire population.

They.
Counted.
40+ million handwritten ballots.

BY HAND.

In about 3 hours.

Explain that, per favore.
It'd take their entire farking government infrastructure sitting there counting ballots for a full DAY to even come close.


There's a bunch of other stuff (signs of more ballots than people in a locality, for example; 141% voting), ballot boxes being burnt etc. But the time taken to count that many ballots is insane. We take longer to count ours, with electronic ballots and twice as many votes.
 
2009-06-16 05:05:39 PM
Holy shiat, Iran just nuked Twitter!111
 
2009-06-16 05:05:39 PM
Uchiha_Cycliste: Epiphany: Would someone please fill me in on the last few hours?

beatings, murder, arson, beatings.


You said "beatings" twice.
 
2009-06-16 05:05:55 PM
Kevin72: Tatsuma: Nach Berichten des Senders "Voice of America" sollen bis zu 5000 libanesische Kämpfer der Hisbollah-Miliz dem Regime beim Showdown zur Hand gehen.

The Tatsuma has awakened and is posting in German


I believe this is the final stage of the Tatsuma - where he begins to transcend himself and becomes one with the oversoul.
 
2009-06-16 05:06:02 PM
pd771: I think they did. It's midnight there. I'm sure they expect to be down only a few hours.

I'm sure after midnight, they're gonna let it all hang out.
 
2009-06-16 05:06:05 PM
MIguy: So, any proof of election fraud yet? All I keep seeing is a bunch of pissed off college kids in Tehran that are convinced that there guy won. Once city is hardly representative of the entire population.

Rumors around that it's spreading to other cities. Maybe not as bad, but really, would you expect a protest about a stolen US election to be as big in East Bumfark, Oklahoma as one in Washington DC?

Doctor Funkenstein: Twitter is farked.

It's the scheduled maintenance that they postponed till today. Was supposed to happen tomorrow. I really have no idea how bad this could be for the movement.
 
2009-06-16 05:06:16 PM
MIguy: So, any proof of election fraud yet? All I keep seeing is a bunch of pissed off college kids in Tehran that are convinced that there guy won. Once city is hardly representative of the entire population.

Jesus Christ, you f*cking retard.

If you mean "proof" as in truckloads of ballots, no. There wouldnt be any. It's f*cking IRAN.

If you mean "Ahmajinedad won by a 3-1 margin, in every district, even in his opponents hometowns, even though his opponent was showing a lead in election polling", then yes.

If you mean "They finished tallying votes in 2 hours. 40 million paper ballots. Counted by hand. in 2 hours." then, yes.
 
2009-06-16 05:06:22 PM
ultraholland: 1400: Made a cheese sandwich
1500: Masturbated
1502: Masturbated again
1546: Made faces at a cat
1612: Smelled finger after toilet paper ripped
1630: Masturbated, cat watched
1703: Updated Epiphany


You made faces at your cat for 26 mins?

Amateur.
 
2009-06-16 05:06:29 PM
MIguy: Holy shiat, Iran just nuked Twitter!111

No they didn't - this was regular maintence that twitter delayed until tonight.
 
2009-06-16 05:06:30 PM
Someone please seriously update me?

I did LOL at this:

ultraholland: Epiphany: Can someone fill me in on the last few hours?

1400: Made a cheese sandwich
1500: Masturbated
1502: Masturbated again
1546: Made faces at a cat
1612: Smelled finger after toilet paper ripped
1630: Masturbated, cat watched
1703: Updated Epiphany
 
2009-06-16 05:06:33 PM
Tatsuma:
Yes, I'd agree with that


And why aren't we getting paid for analysis when idiots are saying less correct things?

/They will rue the day they did not hire me!
//Whatever rue means...
 
2009-06-16 05:06:34 PM
Uchiha_Cycliste

was that McCain Democrat? forgot about that until now.

I think it was Whibdey, danpaloon.


danlpoon and McCain Democrat
 
2009-06-16 05:06:35 PM
Apik0r0s: What do you call the Alt of an Alt?

GoodAsGold? Is that you?

(the Joos did it!)
 
2009-06-16 05:06:44 PM
MIguy: Holy shiat, Iran just nuked Twitter!111

I'm telling ya...once Twitter comes up, it's going to be "OFMG! Glass parking lot!"
 
2009-06-16 05:06:49 PM
IXI Jim IXI: pd771: I think they did. It's midnight there. I'm sure they expect to be down only a few hours.

I'm sure after midnight, they're gonna let it all hang out.


I actually screwed up the time. That or I went to the wrong page. It's 1:30-ish
 
2009-06-16 05:06:51 PM
MIguy: So, any proof of election fraud yet? All I keep seeing is a bunch of pissed off college kids in Tehran that are convinced that there guy won. Once city is hardly representative of the entire population.

What kind of proof do you want? Tens of millions of paper ballots counted in 2 hours???????????
 
2009-06-16 05:06:55 PM
Some info on the twitter shutdown:

Link (new window)
 
2009-06-16 05:06:56 PM
FunkyBeets: Hey, has anyone mentioned Twitter is down?

WAIT WHY IS IT DOWN OMG OMGOMG
/jk
 
2009-06-16 05:06:59 PM
Weaver95: gilgigamesh: I think it is frivolous. Not the revolution, mind you; but the fark groupthink regarding it..

what 'groupthink' is that? I'm not sure I understand your comment.


Everyone in these thread assumes the same premise. It's ridiculous. The fact they're all prefaced by the same asshat making the same unfounded accusations for the last 3 days makes it even more ridiculous. But what the hell.


This isn't about Iran, it's about The Confederation of Farkistan. Democracy Jihadis.
 
2009-06-16 05:06:59 PM
Lighting: Dude... I am pretty sure they are paying attention to what the US Congress is doing.

Dude, I'm pretty sure they are going to have to at least know the person by name before becoming outraged, OUTRAGED I TELL YOU.

Obama? Definitely. Hillary Clinton? Probably. Mike Spence? Uh, who?

Maybe if Bob from accounting talked some shiat about Allah.

/just sayin
 
2009-06-16 05:07:07 PM
Treygreen13: Uchiha_Cycliste: Epiphany: Would someone please fill me in on the last few hours?

beatings, murder, arson, beatings.

You said "beatings" twice.


Hizbollah likes beatings.
 
2009-06-16 05:07:13 PM
Anyone know if there are any reports coming out of Eshefan or Rasht? I can't find anything. Everything I see is based in Tehran.

Do any news outlets have reporters there?
 
2009-06-16 05:07:15 PM
didnt we all hate twitter last week?
 
2009-06-16 05:07:16 PM
FightDirector: MIguy: So, any proof of election fraud yet? All I keep seeing is a bunch of pissed off college kids in Tehran that are convinced that there guy won. Once city is hardly representative of the entire population.

They.
Counted.
40+ million handwritten ballots.

BY HAND.

In about 3 hours.

Explain that, per favore.
It'd take their entire farking government infrastructure sitting there counting ballots for a full DAY to even come close.


There's a bunch of other stuff (signs of more ballots than people in a locality, for example; 141% voting), ballot boxes being burnt etc. But the time taken to count that many ballots is insane. We take longer to count ours, with electronic ballots and twice as many votes.


Every minute that this goes on as is is another minute for them to more reasonably falsify the results.
 
2009-06-16 05:07:20 PM
Arkitekt4040: Twitter down for maintenance? I thought the U.S. State Dept. was pushing for them to wait?

The company doing the maintenance (which causes Twitter to be down) agreed to postpone it until 1:30 or so AM (Iranian time). It will be down for 90 mins (that is from Twitter).
 
2009-06-16 05:07:32 PM

Took a break, and saw this as the 2nd link on Google News:
Why we couldn't tune out the Sarah Palin-David Letterman feud (new window)

1. The principals. Sarah Palin and her family are news in both the political and gossip worlds, and she, like others in that sphere, is not reluctant to step into a scenario where she's victim and heroine.

She can also command attention in a way that not everyone can.

"Not unlike Nancy Pelosi on the opposite side," suggests news director Tim Scheld of WCBS-AM, "jokes that include her get a bit more attention because the outrage/humor is multiplied by the passions they evoke."


2. Slow news cycle. Like Don Imus in May 2007, Letterman didn't get rescued by some other big celebrity story. Sure, there's plenty happening in the world, but in the celebrity game, this story didn't get the kind of competition that almost always buries previous stories within 48 hours.

3. Latent resentment of the jokester. Letterman is seen by many conservatives as the epitome of a smug media liberal on a smug liberal network. Like a Sean Penn or Jane Fonda, he's a ready target.

4. This story fits perfectly into the unending argument over what's tasteless in the media and what targets are acceptable and how far comedians should go - who is a hypocrite for getting angry about a Michelle Obama joke, but not a Willow Palin joke. That nasty argument, which consists almost entirely of finger-pointing, is always looking for fresh meat.


Infuriating.

at least there was SOMETHING on there about Iran.
 
2009-06-16 05:07:40 PM
Epiphany: Would someone please fill me in on the last few hours?

I had lunch, blackened tilapia. After that I went to the book store and read X-Men comics for 30 minutes. Now I'm back.
 
2009-06-16 05:07:43 PM
ITs amazing that paper ballKittypie070: Now Playing: Brother Firetribe, Devil's Daughter.

its 1 am i need to sleep and i've gone flashback route w/ The X-ecutioners - It's Goin' Down. I sure know how to pick a number or something. yeesh
 
2009-06-16 05:07:46 PM
rufus-t-firefly: Well, you must be an expert on Iran.

Expert no, but I did attend some Iranian protests, in what capacity I won't say. I also spent time during the 80s speaking Taglog, but I'm not an expert on Manila either.
 
2009-06-16 05:07:50 PM
Hobodeluxe: Security officials posing as clients entered the Tehran offices of one of Iran's leading human rights lawyers today and arrested him, Nobel Peace Prize winner Shirin Ebadi just told NPR's Davar Iran Ardalan.

Not good.
 
2009-06-16 05:07:52 PM
Can anyone verify / read / debunk this (new window)

which is claimed to be leaked election results?

My farsi is a little rusty. Supposedly the translation is as follows:

To: The Supreme Leader, Hazrat(similar to sir) Ayatollah Khameni

Salam Alaikon

due to your express of concern to the results of the tenth election and (your) very own discretion to retain Mr. Ahmadinejad as the President at this sesetive times, the plans are set so that the results that will be published would be expedient to the regime and the revolution, and all the necessary measures have taken for the likely events following the election, the head of the parties and candidates are under heavy suvaliance.

so, only for your information, we present you with the real results of the election.

the sum of the ballots: 42,026,078


Mir Hossein Musavi Khamene: 19,075,623

Mehdi Karrubi: 13,387,104

Mahmud Ahmadinejad: 5,698,417

Mohsen Rezai Mirqaed: 3,754,218

Invalid (Blank, Unreadable, etc.): 38,716

Minister of Interior
Sadegh Mahsouli
______________
/sorry if it already been covered
 
2009-06-16 05:07:58 PM
Do you hear the people sing?
Singing a song of angry men...
It is the music of a people who will not be slaves again!
 
2009-06-16 05:07:59 PM
Oh also, if Khamenei is now in Ahmagettinganewjobsoon's corner, while other ayatollah's are saying the election is bogus, that also says something. Namely that the ayatollahs aren't unified on this at all. Which would indicate they weren't expecting a big ass election theft. And they don't give a flip what Khamenei says or is capable of doing. It is bad news for the state of things when it comes to government if a bunch of the people who are supposed to backing it are saying it's full of shiat. Ultimately Khamenei may be desperately hoping that things settle out. He was facing a rocky future if Mosavei won anyways. Now he faces being seriously up the creek. Especially since control of the goon squads is in his hands.
 
2009-06-16 05:08:08 PM
because good is dumb: what time is it over there at the moment?

Here you go.
 
2009-06-16 05:08:29 PM
jeffspec: Tatsuma: jeff

So to call it a part of the Colored Revolution as the talking heads are now doing is only half correct. The Colored Revolutions were by definition failures since they didn't seek to establish a new regime or system of government, but more or less a hard reform by means of protests after flawed elections. Those were marked by nonviolence, something that is, unfortunately, evident in this case now. The Green Revolution should not be classified as a Color Revolution. It breaks that mold.


the green revolution fits the mold in every way.
post election dispute.
western organization.
violence. the tulip revolution had violence.
 
2009-06-16 05:08:29 PM
Donald_McRonald: You made faces at your cat for 26 mins?

He was trying to get on beautifulagony.com
 
2009-06-16 05:08:38 PM
Karma Curmudgeon: That doesn't seem very presidential ...:/

What kind of weird filter pwnage is that?

I said r e s p o n s e.

Weird.
 
2009-06-16 05:08:38 PM
MIguy: So, any proof of election fraud yet? All I keep seeing is a bunch of pissed off college kids in Tehran that are convinced that there guy won. Once city is hardly representative of the entire population.

Let's see, 57% of Mousavi's home city voted for Ahmadinejad? Even Karroubi lost his home city to Ahmadinnerjacket. All cell communication and most internet sites were jammed by the gov't on election day. And then there's that quirk about the results being called after only 2 hours. Oh, and I forgot about some provinces reporting that 120% of their population voted.

And 2 million people, comprised of pissed-off college kids and pissed-off farmers, clerics, businessmen, laborers, and cab drivers are all clamoring that anybody but Ahmaverybadman won because it's so obvious that the vote was rigged from the start. Just so happens that the vast majority of them did support Mousavi.
 
2009-06-16 05:08:47 PM
Epoch_Zero: Kevin72: Tatsuma: Nach Berichten des Senders "Voice of America" sollen bis zu 5000 libanesische Kämpfer der Hisbollah-Miliz dem Regime beim Showdown zur Hand gehen.

The Tatsuma has awakened and is posting in German

I believe this is the final stage of the Tatsuma - where he begins to transcend himself and becomes one with the oversoul.


I cackled. Aloud. At work. Now I'm scrambling to explain myself.
 
2009-06-16 05:08:49 PM
IXI Jim IXI: ultraholland: Epiphany: Can someone fill me in on the last few hours?

1400: Made a cheese sandwich
1500: Masturbated
1502: Masturbated again
1546: Made faces at a cat
1612: Smelled finger after toilet paper ripped
1630: Masturbated, cat watched
1650: Watched cat clean herself. Felt guilty
1703: Updated Epiphany

FTFY :D


I love you so much.
 
2009-06-16 05:08:52 PM
IXI Jim IXI: brigid_fitch: From PK: "IMPORTANT to all tweeters in iran - follow my next message carefuully - #Iranelection"

Something big's going on...

If his next message is "Ack! *thud*", it will be very anticlimactic.


Look, if he was dying, he wouldn't have bothered to carve tweet "Ack! *thud*," he'd just say it.
 
2009-06-16 05:08:53 PM
skribble: didnt we all hate twitter last week?

I think we still do. It just so happens to be the only good source of disseminating information at the moment.

Sort of like being trapped in a well, and the only thing you have to eat is moss. You probably wouldn't normally eat moss, but if it is all you have, it is what you eat until someone throws you a bag of twinkies.
 
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