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2003-02-19 10:03:46 AM  
We need more news stories about lesbian Japanese monkeys. Maybe a whole "lesbian Japanese monkey" day on Fark...
 
2003-02-19 10:33:11 AM  
hmm... I thought homosexuality was unnatural. Why would these female monkeys "choose" to be lesbians? I'd better check the bible again.
 
2003-02-19 11:30:07 AM  
What? No Pics?
 
2003-02-19 11:30:28 AM  
Lesbian Japanese monkeys: abducted by UFOs and forced into weight-loss programs.
 
2003-02-19 11:30:47 AM  
we need a "Japan" tag
 
2003-02-19 11:31:07 AM  
I also submitted this story, and of coarse my headline was funnier!

Sulks
 
2003-02-19 11:31:16 AM  
Sweet, lesbians. This one needs a boobies tag.
 
2003-02-19 11:31:46 AM  
Countdown to creationists saying this is proof? Anyone?!? Come one! I don't have the balls to post a countdown!
 
2003-02-19 11:32:04 AM  
and the lord said "let there be monkey Cunnilingus", and it was good.
 
2003-02-19 11:32:49 AM  
I hope the creationists say this is proof. Then we know God wants hot girl-on-girl action!
 
2003-02-19 11:32:55 AM  
isnt this obvious?
 
2003-02-19 11:33:10 AM  
Uh, Darwin's ideas specifically about sexual behaviour were thrown out a long time ago.
 
2003-02-19 11:33:15 AM  
I second the Japan tag.

Women just want someone to double-click the mouse properly. Gender isn't much of an issue.
 
2003-02-19 11:33:27 AM  
Heres your damn countdown...

5...4...3...2...(you suck)
 
2003-02-19 11:35:10 AM  
Funny, that headline challenges a great many of my cherished assumptions as well.
 
2003-02-19 11:35:44 AM  
I'm just curious, did anyone else run into a login screen for this article? In general, if the article requires a login, the poster includes the login to be able to read the article.

Or perhaps it only is asking ME for a login, since I am oh so special.
 
2003-02-19 11:36:52 AM  
Im a les monkey trapped in a mans body :)
 
2003-02-19 11:36:57 AM  
Attn farkers please help, I am unsure as to whether or not to be turned on by this headline, any assistence is appreciated. Thank you.
 
2003-02-19 11:37:22 AM  
Shouldn't a female Macaque be called a "Mavaj?"
 
2003-02-19 11:38:26 AM  
Males are often prompted into sexual intercourse only if they are first mounted by females.

Well, it does help the juices get flowing *wink*wink*nudge*nudge*
 
2003-02-19 11:38:30 AM  
The best is when I click on the article thinking the headline CAN'T be what the poster wrote because it's too absurd sounding. But it is!
 
2003-02-19 11:39:03 AM  
Fap fap fap
 
2003-02-19 11:39:13 AM  
These monkeys have it made!

We obviously have much to learn from them.
 
2003-02-19 11:40:46 AM  
Theseus; FYI
It didn't ask me for a login, what kind of special do you think you are?
 
2003-02-19 11:41:46 AM  
oh great, monkeys who wear comfortable shoes and vote for Democrats.
 
2003-02-19 11:42:38 AM  
Can someone please post a copy of this article on here so those of us who don't want to register can read it?

Thanks.
 
2003-02-19 11:44:22 AM  
If this is shocking, I wonder what Darwin would say to a 6-monkey bonobo daisy chain.
 
2003-02-19 11:44:22 AM  
Darwin was wrong? If it's not one damn thing, it's your mother. Oh, sorry. That was Freud.
 
2003-02-19 11:44:54 AM  
No-one in biology would regard Darwin as any kind of authority on sexuality and mate selection. Darwins major contribution was recognising natural selection as the driving force behind evolution. Its important to know that he didnt discover evolution - that idea had been put long before him. He just worked out the MECHANISM - natural selection.

Aside from natural selection, Darwin's major contributions to biology were a treatise on the taxonomy of barnacles, and a book on the growth and development of coral reefs.

I dont recall his making too many observations about mate selection, and if he did and was wrong, that in no way affects the veracity of his natural selection theory, which is as axiomatic in biology as atomic theory is in physics and chemistry.

The headline and angle of this article is misleading. I've had it happen to me too, when I have said something to a journalist and read a totally different, sensationalist, angle the next day.
 
2003-02-19 11:44:58 AM  
Avagoyle, Here you are.

Lesbian Japanese monkeys challenge Darwin's assumptions
By David Derbyshire, Science Correspondent, in Denver
(Filed: 19/02/2003)


The promiscuous sex life of lesbian Japanese monkeys is challenging one of the central tenets of Charles Darwin. He argued that females are coy, mate rarely and choose mates to ensure the best genetic inheritance for their offspring, while males are promiscuous and fight among themselves for female partners.

But after studying Japanese macaques in the wild, Dr Paul Vasey, of the University of Lethbridge, Canada, begs to differ. He found that bisexuality is common in females and that they often compete with males for sexual partners.

"In some populations, female Japanese macaques sometimes prefer same-sex partners," he told the American Association for the Advancement of Science in Denver. "That occurs even when they are presented with sexually motivated, opposite-sex alternatives."

Males are often prompted into sexual intercourse only if they are first mounted by females. Dr Vasey said: "Female-male mounting in Japanese macaques is an adaptation that sexually motivated females employ to prompt sluggish or uninterested males to copulate with them."

He observed that the females gain pleasure from mounting males, often rubbing themselves against a male's back or stimulating themselves with their tails.

Dr Vasey said that once they evolved the capacity to mount males, they could gain the same sexual gratification from mounting females. "I see females competing for males all the time," he said. "I see males ignoring females that are desperate to copulate with them."

Dr Joan Roughgarden, a biologist at Stanford University, said the macaque was just one of many species that did not fit Darwin's theory of sex selection.

Female langur monkeys promiscuously mated with many males, for instance. Homosexuality in animals - at least 300 invertebrates practise it - was also unexplained by Darwin.

Dr Roughgarden said that a more comprehensive theory of sex selection should take into account social as well as sexual selection. Mating could function to build and manage relationships as well as to reproduce. "Female choice, I am pretty sure, has much more to do with managing male power than it does with trying to obtain good genes."
 
2003-02-19 11:45:08 AM  
I was able to read it and I DEFINITELY don't have an account.
 
2003-02-19 11:45:18 AM  
Lesbian Japanese monkeys challenge Darwin's assumptions
By David Derbyshire, Science Correspondent, in Denver
(Filed: 19/02/2003)


The promiscuous sex life of lesbian Japanese monkeys is challenging one of the central tenets of Charles Darwin. He argued that females are coy, mate rarely and choose mates to ensure the best genetic inheritance for their offspring, while males are promiscuous and fight among themselves for female partners.

But after studying Japanese macaques in the wild, Dr Paul Vasey, of the University of Lethbridge, Canada, begs to differ. He found that bisexuality is common in females and that they often compete with males for sexual partners.

"In some populations, female Japanese macaques sometimes prefer same-sex partners," he told the American Association for the Advancement of Science in Denver. "That occurs even when they are presented with sexually motivated, opposite-sex alternatives."

Males are often prompted into sexual intercourse only if they are first mounted by females. Dr Vasey said: "Female-male mounting in Japanese macaques is an adaptation that sexually motivated females employ to prompt sluggish or uninterested males to copulate with them."

He observed that the females gain pleasure from mounting males, often rubbing themselves against a male's back or stimulating themselves with their tails.

Dr Vasey said that once they evolved the capacity to mount males, they could gain the same sexual gratification from mounting females. "I see females competing for males all the time," he said. "I see males ignoring females that are desperate to copulate with them."

Dr Joan Roughgarden, a biologist at Stanford University, said the macaque was just one of many species that did not fit Darwin's theory of sex selection.

Female langur monkeys promiscuously mated with many males, for instance. Homosexuality in animals - at least 300 invertebrates practise it - was also unexplained by Darwin.

Dr Roughgarden said that a more comprehensive theory of sex selection should take into account social as well as sexual selection. Mating could function to build and manage relationships as well as to reproduce. "Female choice, I am pretty sure, has much more to do with managing male power than it does with trying to obtain good genes."
 
2003-02-19 11:48:18 AM  
I had the same problem Theseus.
 
2003-02-19 11:48:56 AM  
I didn't have to register..
 
2003-02-19 11:48:59 AM  
That would be a great "Battle of the Bands"
We got the rriot-grrl act "Lesbian Japanese Monkeys" vs. the indie-rock "Darwin's Assumptions"
 
2003-02-19 11:51:41 AM  
I saw an show on evolution on Discovery. It showed how most species evolve like a bush, with many branches. Humans have a only a trunk, no branches. I switched to basketball before the mono-toned scientist made his point.
 
2003-02-19 11:53:15 AM  
Woo-Hoo...This Sounds Like A Script Worthy Of A Simpsons Episode....

Mmmmm...Lesbian Monkey Action...Arrrgggg...

All Homer Would Need Is A Gross Of Donuts And A Crate Of Beer And His Head Would Explode With Excitement.
 
2003-02-19 11:55:03 AM  
Just goes to show that monkies are much cooler and way less repressed than people...which is why I prefer farking them after a good accordian street dance, over humans whom I'd probably also have to buy dinner and take clubbing for any action.
 
2003-02-19 11:55:06 AM  
Am I the only one who thought that a main difference between humans and animals was that animals have no homosexual tendancies. This is shaking my mind...I'm going to curl up in a corner and suck my thumb for a while. Come get me when the world makes sense...

/end serious musing

And I third the Japan tag.
 
2003-02-19 11:55:27 AM  
PHOTOSHOP? Anyone? A title like this just begs for it.
 
2003-02-19 11:58:31 AM  


farkin' picturestage won't allow gif images.
 
2003-02-19 11:58:59 AM  
Are these "lesbian" monkeys or just animals in heat (don't know if monkey's go into heat) that have an uncontrollable desire for release, and will get it wherever they can.

A dog will hump your leg if it's randy, and I don't think that mean's it's a zoophile.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2003-02-19 12:00:03 PM  
...stimulating themselves with their tails

If human women had tails, would any man have a chance?
 
2003-02-19 12:01:03 PM  
Homosexuality in animals - at least 300 invertebrates practise it - was also unexplained by Darwin.

He was too busy fvcking his cousin to worry about monkeys humping the same sex. *sheesh!*
 
2003-02-19 12:02:50 PM  
This image is the worst thing to ever happen to public perception of how evolution works:


Here's how scientists currently think it works:

 
2003-02-19 12:03:35 PM  
Isn't Lesbian Japanese Monkeys the name of that "lesbian" Russian punk band?
 
2003-02-19 12:03:48 PM  
Oops, that first image is supposed to be this one:

 
2003-02-19 12:04:46 PM  
Hmm, Japan eh? What is there, something in the air over there? Even the animals are crazy.
 
2003-02-19 12:04:57 PM  
Franky17 - there is monkey cunnilingus (in case you didn't know)

boy orangutans give girl orangutans a good licking

well i'm assuming it is good since they don't get kicked off
:)
 
2003-02-19 12:05:24 PM  
"It showed how most species evolve like a bush, with many branches."

I'd say these monkeys are definitely evolving to like bush.

AND CAN YOU BLAME THEM? THANK YOU!
 
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