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(FMQB)   After being tossed to the FCC backburner and ignored, it looks like there may be new life for Low Power FM. Could FarkRadio be coming soon?   (fmqb.com) divider line 68
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2009-06-13 02:24:48 PM  
I've always wondered how hard it would be to start a low power FM or AM station. Just plug in my Zune with a pre-recorded set of comments on a playlist while I'm at work and treat it as the audio equivalent of a blog when I'm home... And of course volunteer it to the Civil Defense in time of emergency.

What could possibly go wrong?

/Neighbor Dorothy FTW
 
2009-06-13 03:08:24 PM  
Delay: I have a ham license and wanted to start a low power FM about 8 years ago. It became an enormous hassle, so I gave up. It wasn't the equipment (I had parts lying around) or the technology (old), it was the FCC license issues, and I knew how to get one. Basically, to meet the low power requirement, the transmitter output power did not count. Transmitter output power is used with essentially every other FCC license (someone can correct me, not interference but output). It was whether a particular receiver could detect the signal. Yeah, and the $10,000 per day fine if you made a mistake.

When I looked into it, there weren't any unallocated frequencies left. I'm too close to Chicago.
 
2009-06-13 03:08:42 PM  
rssvss: the possibility to have a local info and an emergency outlet, far out ways the pain of one or two more nut jobs.

It's not the nutjobs I'm referring to. It's the corporate Christian radio which rebroadcasts on Low Power repeaters and hogs the local frequencies. LINK
 
2009-06-13 03:09:41 PM  
www.dvdrama.com

Doesn't care what the FCC thinks about low power radio
 
2009-06-13 03:21:10 PM  
vicejay [TotalFark] :
Same here.. I'm on the air right now on 870 WWL-AM
/sure beats workin'


I'm a former WWL announcer and board-op so I'm really getting a kick out of your reply. I think we might have met when I was in NOLA for a visit a few months ago. Tell Diane I say hi.
 
2009-06-13 03:30:01 PM  
"drumsac 2009-06-13 03:21:10 PM
vicejay [TotalFark] :
Same here.. I'm on the air right now on 870 WWL-AM
/sure beats workin'

I'm a former WWL announcer and board-op so I'm really getting a kick out of your reply. I think we might have met when I was in NOLA for a visit a few months ago. Tell Diane I say hi."

New Orleans Radio Thread! Former B97/WRNO/WCKW board op/producer/jock/promotions guy.

Jay - Don't you mean "WWL-AM, FM and .com"?
 
2009-06-13 03:39:44 PM  
nuclear_asshat: I live out in the middle of BFE, and we really only get one NPR station. Nothing else comes in. If I picked up my own low power FM transmitter so I can pick up my tunes anywhere in town, what's the chance I'll get caught?

Eventually you will be. There are FCC monitoring stations all over the place.
 
2009-06-13 03:43:28 PM  
Chucklz : Eventually you will be. There are FCC monitoring stations all over the place.

It takes them a while. In New York it seems like there are a dozen different pirates in Brooklyn and Queens who have been on forever. Every now and then the FCC shuts one down and it just pops up somewhere else before too long.
 
2009-06-13 05:38:16 PM  
jpat: "drumsac 2009-06-13 03:21:10 PM
vicejay [TotalFark] :
Same here.. I'm on the air right now on 870 WWL-AM
/sure beats workin'

I'm a former WWL announcer and board-op so I'm really getting a kick out of your reply. I think we might have met when I was in NOLA for a visit a few months ago. Tell Diane I say hi."

New Orleans Radio Thread! Former B97/WRNO/WCKW board op/producer/jock/promotions guy.

Jay - Don't you mean "WWL-AM, FM and .com"?


Oh.. Yea. :)
 
2009-06-13 05:39:37 PM  
drumsac: vicejay [TotalFark] :
Same here.. I'm on the air right now on 870 WWL-AM
/sure beats workin'

I'm a former WWL announcer and board-op so I'm really getting a kick out of your reply. I think we might have met when I was in NOLA for a visit a few months ago. Tell Diane I say hi.


Were you the guy they said jumped in & saved the Saints broadcast one time when something happened to the board op?
 
2009-06-13 05:43:17 PM  
nuclear_asshat:
...It sounds cool, but I am convinced I'd hear 5000 mexican music stations on any drive across the country overpowering my ipod fm transmitter. That's the only group I can see interested in putting them up and actually listening.


Do you feel a hot wind on your shoulder?
 
2009-06-13 06:26:48 PM  
I have two low-power AM "talking house" transmitters in my basement, the kind realtors use -- I stopped at a rummage sale where the people were moving out, and the transmitters were out on the table for $1 each. I'll bet the realtor was pissed when they showed up to pick up their machines. I tested them out and, as you might expect, got just to the end of my sidewalk before they started to peter out to nothing. Anyhow, KNDS, the LPFM station here in Fargo, is totally awesome; they almost were killed a couple years ago because a nearby country station was going to build a new repeater within KNDS' range on a nearby frequency, and the way the rules work is LPFM always loses if there's interference or overlap. They ended up moving to 96.3, and now they're OK until some other radio morons decide to fill up the rest of the dial with the same crap their competitors do, pushing out the good stations.
 
2009-06-13 06:32:52 PM  
vicejay :
Were you the guy they said jumped in & saved the Saints broadcast one time when something happened to the board op?

No, that wasn't me. I never did a Saints game but I sure did plenty of Tulane baseball and Prep Football Roundup.
 
2009-06-13 08:02:55 PM  
This is all the Federal Reserve's fault.

/it always is
 
2009-06-13 08:25:09 PM  
THAT is pretty cool. I've got 2 low-power FM radio transmitters I inherited, I'd love to blanket the surrounding 20 mile area with Sabbath 24x7.
 
vxo
2009-06-13 09:29:54 PM  
I love this in concept, but I fear all available frequencies being immediately locked down by religious groups with deep pockets. Great Translator Invasion, anyone?

Link (pops) to a stunningly horrible example

/ Engineer for WRGP-FM
// Using two translators for perfectly legitimate coverage extension
/// 0x2Fh
 
2009-06-14 02:05:03 AM  
Delay: I have a ham license and wanted to start a low power FM about 8 years ago. It became an enormous hassle, so I gave up. It wasn't the equipment (I had parts lying around) or the technology (old), it was the FCC license issues, and I knew how to get one. Basically, to meet the low power requirement, the transmitter output power did not count. Transmitter output power is used with essentially every other FCC license (someone can correct me, not interference but output). It was whether a particular receiver could detect the signal. Yeah, and the $10,000 per day fine if you made a mistake.

No, TPO is judged for LPFM too, but basically the FCC doesn't care about anybody's transmitter as long as the ERP's are within their like 1% limitations... Oh yeah, and you're modulation is within "10%" (note the quotes). It's just really restrictive.

LPFM isn't that bad, if you don't mind the FCC breathing down your neck for every little thing. Because the high power stations will cry foul at the slightest.
 
2009-06-14 02:08:38 AM  
vxo: I love this in concept, but I fear all available frequencies being immediately locked down by religious groups with deep pockets. Great Translator Invasion, anyone?

It has already happened.

Not to mention, I can't name too many non-for-profit groups (the only groups eligible for LPFM licenses) who have deep pockets...Other than well...churches, educational institutions, and municipalities.
 
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