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2003-02-19 08:53:40 AM
In Texas instead of overtime pay you get time off.I get jealous during the holidays when some of my friends have tons of time off.Then again they get paid squat.Nevermind...
 
2003-02-19 10:06:38 AM
I'll give you a topic:
Civil servants are neither civil nor servants... DISCUSS.
 
2003-02-19 10:20:31 AM
They must be unionized. That's where you can legally blackmail the public, insult hard working people and basically do shiat all day.
 
2003-02-19 12:57:04 PM
If they limit paid sick days, they'll come to work. It would save taxpayer dollars as well.
 
2003-02-19 01:43:59 PM
I say what Sudie said, or you can let them save up sick days so if they get a major illness they won't get screwed.
 
2003-02-19 01:43:59 PM
slow news day - who cares
 
2003-02-19 01:44:06 PM
Obviously working for the government makes you sick.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2003-02-19 01:44:15 PM
At my last job I had unified sick days and vacation days:
20 days of "paid time off" per year. Each day I took off
sick was one less vacation day (or one less day of extra
pay when I quit).
 
2003-02-19 01:44:15 PM
But these are our heroes. It would be unpatriotic of us to complain about them abusing the system.

Stop it.
 
2003-02-19 01:44:24 PM
civile servants?... oh you mean "road cone jockeys" wether to do or dont come to work ohting gets done so why bother
 
2003-02-19 01:44:25 PM
Confusing article. Is there a way to tell if they're actually at work?
 
2003-02-19 01:45:03 PM
"with employees at one Job Centre averaging 20 days off sick in 2001."

I took TWO days off for being sick last year and that I took reluctantly. Farking gubment workers.
 
2003-02-19 01:45:59 PM
This is horsecrap.

It looks imbalanced because private companies don't have a regimented reporting system to accurately track sick days.

meanwhile, public servants have to acount for all their time.

Guy's just trying to make a name for himself - and picking the easiest targets.
 
2003-02-19 01:47:40 PM
Not only that, but 40 percent of their "sick" days fall on Mondays and Fridays!
 
2003-02-19 01:47:54 PM
Since I have been self-employed I have averaged about three sick days a year.

Amazing how healthy you are when nobody is paying you to be sick.
 
2003-02-19 01:48:17 PM
I still don't get how someone can just call in sick. I mean it's your job. They are paying your to be there. I can't imagine just not showing up. Damn people and their utter lack of a work ethic.
 
2003-02-19 01:49:53 PM
Unless I'm reading this wrong, the article is talking about UK civil servants...not US civil servants.

But i know several US civil servants that are never at work...it's good when your boss is gone!!
 
2003-02-19 01:50:14 PM
My wife just got hired by the state of New Jersey and they have a KILLER benefits package...
151 Sick/Personal days, 15 vacation days and all federal holidays, which totals like 45 total paid days off. Oh, and then there is the health benefits... High Quality, low dollars... I am about ready to take a year of and let her pay the bills for a while. :-)
 
2003-02-19 01:50:25 PM
Taxpayers are estimated to lose about 300 million pounds each year as a result of civil servants' sick days.

Skip work and lose weight? Now that's a weight loss program I can get behind!
 
2003-02-19 01:51:40 PM
Whoops... 15 Sick/Personal
 
2003-02-19 01:52:24 PM
Lots of work; Little pay; I think I would call in sick too.
 
2003-02-19 01:53:03 PM
Fvck me! The avg is 6.7? I take 1 or 2 days at most. Often
none. I got to get a life.
 
2003-02-19 01:53:10 PM
Who in the hell calls sick days "sickies"?

Would vacation days be called "vacies"?
 
2003-02-19 01:53:20 PM
oh yeah, i dont even go on vacations. i'm single, and am not going on vacations alone.

so i just tell'em i taking a day about a 2 weeks before i do, i just B.S. around all day, like go to the movies, and buy some shiat
 
2003-02-19 01:56:29 PM
Ah, elected officials.....they can't be fired, so of course they are going to take lots of days off.
 
2003-02-19 01:57:23 PM
how do I become one of these civil servants?
 
2003-02-19 01:57:53 PM
frksamor - yeah, same thing here
12 sick/3 personal/20 vacation
in 3 years i've banked almost 70 days off

--now to take off 3 months--
 
2003-02-19 02:01:21 PM
Meshman
They must be unionized. That's where you can legally blackmail the public, insult hard working people and basically do shiat all day.


Are you one of those hard-working people?

Seriously, though, if you are and you are underpaid or getting screwed, join a union. It isn't that hard. You don't have to have 50 people, either. 5 people, or even less, can form a union. Or join a larger union.

But, if you are just an owner/troll of a business, maybe you should work on your people skills. That goes a long way to having people like you and not insult you.

I personally get more insults and lack of cooperation from non-union fast food places and grocery stores than I do in the ones that are unionized - those union people like their jobs and are usually getting paid enough so they can be happy.
 
2003-02-19 02:01:47 PM
Who in the hell calls sick days "sickies"?

Blahahaha the farking English do that with EVERYTHING!
One of the things that amuses me about the English is the way of speaking 'english' is that they chop every other word in half and and the 'e' sound on the end or they have 10 slang terms for everything. No it's not a cat it's a 'moggies' football is 'footie' etc. wtf ever. When the talk it sounds like some 8 year old schoolgirl.

Christ the Dutch speak better English than the Brittish do.
 
2003-02-19 02:02:26 PM
i once worked with a guy who got away with 44 sick days in one year. we kept track, because the year previous, he had about 35ish. his wife worked with us too, she started at 7 and he at 8. she'd come by his area asking where he was and we'd say, 'he called in sick.' she'd respond 'well he was dressed when i left to come in'. after we hammered on the HR department a while, they eventually let him go. it takes a lot to get fired around here.
 
2003-02-19 02:02:36 PM
Zymurgist, being sarcastic? Monday and Friday are 2/5 of the working days, hence 40% is right on target.
 
2003-02-19 02:04:02 PM
ZipBeep-

love the logic.

"hate unions? you must be jealous. go join one and you can sit on your ass all day too."
 
2003-02-19 02:06:53 PM
If you aren't "using" all (or most of) your sick days, you must be sick in the head.
 
2003-02-19 02:06:57 PM
Man_With_No_Name
Christ the Dutch speak better English than the Brittish do.


They probably spell better than the "British" do, as well!!

/just kidding, not a spelling Nazi, no point in being mean, :D Forcebender
He was being a smartass, but must have forgot the smiley ;D
 
2003-02-19 02:07:25 PM
Since I've been a self-employed consultant, I amazed at just how healthy I am.
 
2003-02-19 02:09:11 PM
What's this article about? I stayed home today and the "flu-like" symptoms I'm having don't give me much energy to read while I, oops sorry, pizza's here
 
2003-02-19 02:10:57 PM
Kerouac
love the logic.
"hate unions? you must be jealous. go join one and you can sit on your ass all day too."


That wasn't the logic - he seemed to have a problem with work (I actually think he is a troll, but...)

Anybody who thinks that most union workers sit on their ass all day should try it. I'll tell you this - most of them can't spend all day on the internet. Most of them stand all day doing factory work - something which most people aren't here not only wouldn't want to do, but COULDN'T do. It ain't easy.
 
2003-02-19 02:11:53 PM
It is not because the public sector keeps track of the number of sick days it is because it is impossible to fire a gubment worker. We keep track of the sick days here. As for low pay, postal workers get paid very well, I think they start out at 35k per year and get "merit" increases every year. Not only that, think of all the holidays these people get. How many private companies (minus banks) do you know that close for MLK day, President's Day, Columbus Day, etc etc? Then a few years ago the gubment workers union tried to press President Bush 1 to give gubment workers flag day off.
 
2003-02-19 02:15:48 PM
ZipBeep-

I dodn't think he has a problem with work at all. i think he has ap roblem with unions.

and I couldn't give a rat's patoot about factory workers unionizing. good for them.

Until the factory goes out of business because some union leader convinced a guy that being willing to operate a forklift should pay $30 an hour and we're going on strike til it does.


i'll trust unions when the phrase "wildcat strike" is no longer a part of the lexicon, thanks.
 
2003-02-19 02:17:33 PM
I've used two sick days in the past six years. And those two days were for dental work.

I don't get sick. Your weak human diseases do not affect my thelonian system.

Yes, I'm really friggin bored.
 
2003-02-19 02:17:38 PM
Right there with you, Bama. I worked in an office a coupe of years ago that hirerd a part-times who was a city employee. She quit when she found out she wouldn't get President's Day off.

If I could make as much money working as little time as government employees do, I'd . . .

Sorry . . . had a flashback to a conversation and a thread from yesterday. It wasn't safe for work.

Anyway, I'd certainly get a lot more . . . fishing . . . done.
 
2003-02-19 02:19:09 PM
ZipBeep: "Most people here couldn't do it". This is because we are mostly professionals and have a choice. Most union workers do union work b/c that's the only option they have to make decent money. I know many union workers, some in my family so I'm not dogging them out but the majority of union workers really don't have much of a choice. It's either union or $6/hour
 
2003-02-19 02:20:57 PM
what are you lookiloos staring at?
 
2003-02-19 02:22:19 PM
ZipBeep:
Been there, done that, didn't like it. So, instead of biatching about low pay (which I agreed to when I went to work there in the first place), I went back to school to get a job that I like. The plant I worked in is non-union, they have a high turn-over because they want it that way. They figure it helps them keep costs down, less time in means less pay-per-hour.
 
2003-02-19 02:24:32 PM
Can this thread get an ironic tag ? Only because a majority of the Farkers ragging on the lazy civil workers taking too many sick days are posting on Fark on their bosses dime (like me ) Nothing wrong with it, just nice to see the kettles calling the pot black.
 
2003-02-19 02:24:33 PM
ZipBeep: oh well I forget a 'y' on the end of they too but I think you get the idea. It's a blog not a thesis.
My first boss in the computer industry once said that he would never hire a programmer that didn't have at least one spelling mistake on his resume. :P
 
2003-02-19 02:24:47 PM
Kerouac
I dodn't think he has a problem with work at all. i think he has a problem with unions.


That's why I said he's probably a troll/owner of a business.

and I couldn't give a rat's patoot about factory workers unionizing. good for them.

Until the factory goes out of business because some union leader convinced a guy that being willing to operate a forklift should pay $30 an hour and we're going on strike til it does.


If you can't afford to pay your workers, you probably shouldn't be in business. I don't see a whole lot of business owners suffering. Most of the businesses that fail are due to bad decisions, a bad economy, or an Enron type scandal.

I'll trust unions when the phrase "wildcat strike" is no longer a part of the lexicon, thanks.

Your willing to take "lockout" out of the lexicon, too? How about "my way or the highway"? Should that be taken out of the lexicon, too? Management is no bonus.
 
2003-02-19 02:25:14 PM
I bet porn actors never call in sick.
 
2003-02-19 02:26:57 PM
1. I don't see a whole lot of business owners suffering. Most of the businesses that fail are due to bad decisions, a bad economy, or an Enron type scandal.


you don't see business owners suffering? Been under a rock for the last 4 years?

2.Your willing to take "lockout" out of the lexicon, too? How about "my way or the highway"? Should that be taken out of the lexicon, too? Management is no bonus.

One of these things is illegal. Can you guess which one?
Hint - it's not a lockout or a dickhead boss.
 
2003-02-19 02:29:43 PM
I work a government job. I saw the market for my skills collapsing, and my previous employer on it's way into the sh!tter and ran for a stable government job to ride out the turbulence.

My pay is about 10k less than comparable experience/skills job in the private sector, but my benefits are about equal.

I get 1 sick day and 1 vacation day per month, and one personal day a year. That's 25 total days, less than I got when working a much earlier job at a university.

Anyway, I only get sick about once a year (actually being physically sick) but since almost NOTHING is open but gas and grocery stores in the evenings, and servicepeople coming to fix things in your house only work 9-5, etc. I use my days for that. I also use them for hangovers.

I worked my monkey arse off the first year I was on this job. Then I found out we get a "merit" increase of 2% a year no matter how our evaluations read. You can rock the house, or you can sit in your chair and barely lift a finger and you get the same increase. Instead of merit they need to call it the "I didn't get fired" increase.

There is absolutely NO motivation to achieve or any reason to have personal ambitions here. No one is promoted from within, they only hire from outside for jobs they should be promoting for. They now have decided too that nobody should get "exceeds expectations" on their evaluation. The big boss says no one should (she still gives her direct employees this though). So now even though I am motivated by learning things and putting feathers in my hat so i can get OUT of here when the economy stabilizes, it doesn't matter. All my hard work and I just got a review that says I did not exceed.

They actually changed my work standards after the fact so that it would be more arguable that I possibly did not exceed expectations. I was nominated for employee of the year by several people in the organization (I didn't win, but in govt jobs white males should not expect to). Yet they still want my evaluation to say "meets expectations" as in a C or C+ grade.

Yeah, that's motivating.

Yeah, I want to stockpile sick days and never use them.

One guy here who doesn't get along with his wife never takes sick or vacation days. Eventually he had so many they told him he had to take them off (he had over a month of each) but he kept coming in so they just cut him a check to cover them. They weren't supposed to, and won't again, they assured us, but DAMN. If that were the case I'd never be sick again.

/unmotivated government worker only working hard to make self look good to next employer
 
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