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(AL.com)   NCAA places Alabama football team on 3-year probation, will force forfeiture of multiple games. This is not a repeat from 1995 or 2002   (al.com) divider line 165
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2009-06-11 10:11:48 AM  
Meanwhile ESPN/Chris Low run a headline every time Lane Kiffin breaks wind.

Fortunately for Tide fans, they get to keep the UT win and it will not affect any of their 57 national titles.
 
2009-06-11 10:14:18 AM  
Jesus, how useless is forfeiting wins but no scholarship losses? You may as well send them a stern letter. It's not like we go back in time and those games didn't happen. I hope those delusional Bama fans with a persecution complex finally get it that the NCAA is not out to get them.
 
2009-06-11 10:56:56 AM  
The wins are not forfeited. They are vacated.
 
2009-06-11 10:57:02 AM  
Nabb1: I hope those delusional Bama fans with a persecution complex finally get it that the NCAA is not out to get them.

HAHAHAHAHA. Trust me, they won't. God, I'm not going to hear the end of this for months now.
 
2009-06-11 10:59:33 AM  
Hang On Voltaire: The wins are not forfeited. They are vacated.

What's the difference? Before/during vs. after the fact?
 
2009-06-11 10:59:46 AM  
Nabb1: Jesus, how useless is forfeiting wins but no scholarship losses? You may as well send them a stern letter. It's not like we go back in time and those games didn't happen. I hope those delusional Bama fans with a persecution complex finally get it that the NCAA is not out to get them.

Well when you see USC getting away with the Reggie Bush deal (which may still happen), Tennessee get away with the Tee Martin deal, just about EVERY SEC school get away with offering cash for Albert Means, Auburn get away with have a sham Sociology course for football players, you start to wonder. Alabama did everything right in responding to this case and STILL it is not enough. Bama will appeal
 
2009-06-11 11:01:15 AM  
mysticcat: Hang On Voltaire: The wins are not forfeited. They are vacated.

What's the difference? Before/during vs. after the fact?


A forfeiture means that the losing team wins. A vacated game essentially means the game never happened (neither side won nor lost)
 
2009-06-11 11:05:18 AM  
Hang On Voltaire: Well when you see USC getting away with the Reggie Bush deal (which may still happen), Tennessee get away with the Tee Martin deal, just about EVERY SEC school get away with offering cash for Albert Means, Auburn get away with have a sham Sociology course for football players, you start to wonder. Alabama did everything right in responding to this case and STILL it is not enough. Bama will appeal

This is what I love. When Bama gets busted with a major infraction shortly after coming off probation, the fans simply ignore their own transgressions and point to everybody else, citing cases that have already been investigated and ruled upon by the NCAA.
 
2009-06-11 11:15:53 AM  
mysticcat:
This is what I love. When Bama gets busted with a major infraction shortly after coming off probation, the fans simply ignore their own transgressions and point to everybody else, citing cases that have already been investigated and ruled upon by the NCAA.


and that is my point. Tee Martin was a major infraction by Tennessee and nothing happened. You had a booster giving cash to the quarterback. Same with Reggie Bush. It is cut and dried. At worst Alabama should have received secondary violations for this. I never said Bama did not do anything, rather it was a secondary violation, there was no competitive advantage, there was no cash being exchanged, when the Administration found out about it they self reported and corrected the problem and suspended the athletes involved.
 
2009-06-11 11:20:06 AM  
Bama fans can never stand to look in the mirror, can they?
 
2009-06-11 11:21:44 AM  
Ha ha. Auburn beat them all 3 years, so has nothing to gain from this ruling.

Did Bama really play Vandy 3 days after they played Hawaii in 2006? That's ... remarkable.
 
2009-06-11 11:22:12 AM  
Hang On Voltaire: mysticcat:
This is what I love. When Bama gets busted with a major infraction shortly after coming off probation, the fans simply ignore their own transgressions and point to everybody else, citing cases that have already been investigated and ruled upon by the NCAA.

and that is my point. Tee Martin was a major infraction by Tennessee and nothing happened. You had a booster giving cash to the quarterback. Same with Reggie Bush. It is cut and dried. At worst Alabama should have received secondary violations for this. I never said Bama did not do anything, rather it was a secondary violation, there was no competitive advantage, there was no cash being exchanged, when the Administration found out about it they self reported and corrected the problem and suspended the athletes involved.


The Tee Martin thing was bullshiat. The guy gave him $1400 to fix his car, and had known him since he was like ten. The NCAA cleared UT. You don't even know what you are talking about. That jackass wasn't a booster. It was nothing on the order of what Alabama did that got in trouble the last go around and had Bama fans blaming Phil Fulmer for everything that has ever gone wrong in their lives and the history of the state. Stop comparing it. It's like comparing a hangnail to a brain tumor. It certainly doesn't compare to the allegations regarding Reggie Bush and USC, because they apparently bought the guys parents a HOUSE. And, BTW, that NCAA investigation is still ongoing, and is probably not expanded to an "institutional control" investigation with the allegations regarding OJ Mayo. But stop bringing up Tee Martin every time someone brings up Alabama's problems. There was no violation there. Even if there was, it doesn't excuse Alabama. Alabama cheated, Alabama got caught, and that's that.
 
2009-06-11 11:30:21 AM  
Nabb1:

The Tee Martin thing was bullshiat. The guy gave him $1400 to fix his car, and had known him since he was like ten. The NCAA cleared UT. You don't even know what you are talking about. That jackass wasn't a booster.


You don't know shiat. The money was coming from" Tennessee booster Dianne Sanford>" and it was more than $1400. Feel Free (new window) to actually read up on it (new window)

It was nothing on the order of what Alabama did that got in trouble the last go around and had Bama fans blaming Phil Fulmer for everything that has ever gone wrong in their lives and the history of the state.

Yes and it conveniently got Phil Fulmer out of trouble with the NCAA. Phil's plans never really worked out though

Stop comparing it. It's like comparing a hangnail to a brain tumor. It certainly doesn't compare to the allegations regarding Reggie Bush and USC, because they apparently bought the guys parents a HOUSE. And, BTW, that NCAA investigation is still ongoing, and is probably not expanded to an "institutional control" investigation with the allegations regarding OJ Mayo. But stop bringing up Tee Martin every time someone brings up Alabama's problems. There was no violation there. Even if there was, it doesn't excuse Alabama. Alabama cheated, Alabama got caught, and that's that.

and that is the problem and I keep saying it and people keep ignoring it. It's the selective enforcement that I have a problem with. Alabama was not the only school that offered cash for Albert Means (Tennessee was one also BTW) and the NCAA knew it and the SEC knew it and no one else was punished for it.

 
2009-06-11 11:31:17 AM  
Yes my HTML Foo is off today, sorry
 
2009-06-11 11:31:38 AM  
The real story here is: War Damn Eagle!

These new violations along with the news Gene Chizik and his killer assistants are generating can only mean that the Tide never turned in Alabama.........last year was simply a low tide for Auburn but we will again return to power in the great state of Alabama.

nwanews.com
 
2009-06-11 11:33:21 AM  
God Auburn fans are obnoxious.
 
2009-06-11 11:33:32 AM  
wattssw: The real story here is: War Damn Eagle!

These new violations along with the news Gene Chizik and his killer assistants are generating can only mean that the Tide never turned in Alabama.........last year was simply a low tide for Auburn but we will again return to power in the great state of Alabama.


How on Earth are the violations going to help API? You guys over there keep whistling past the graveyard though while we are pulling in another top five recruiting class

/5-19
//36-0
 
2009-06-11 11:34:32 AM  
Control_this: God Auburn fans are obnoxious.

They are delusional.
 
2009-06-11 11:36:15 AM  
Hang On Voltaire: Alabama was not the only school that offered cash for Albert Means (Tennessee was one also BTW) and the NCAA knew it and the SEC knew it and no one else was punished for it.

Proof?
 
2009-06-11 11:38:38 AM  
cache.deadspin.com

/ laughing at Nick "The Amateur" Saban
 
2009-06-11 11:42:17 AM  
Can someone explain what vacating a win from the past actually does? I mean, what, you're not allowed to talk about them?

When ESPN shows highlights, are they supposed to say "and mysteriously no one won the game!"

Seems silly like the whole "We should ignore all the home runs Barry Bonds hit in the record books."

Yeah, he juiced. But you can't just pretend the number isn't the number, no matter how hard you try.
 
2009-06-11 11:43:18 AM  
I figured this was a misleading headline and that some podunk school got busted, but... Goddamn Alabama is stupid
 
2009-06-11 11:44:31 AM  
Hang On Voltaire: Nabb1:

The Tee Martin thing was bullshiat. The guy gave him $1400 to fix his car, and had known him since he was like ten. The NCAA cleared UT. You don't even know what you are talking about. That jackass wasn't a booster.

You don't know shiat. The money was coming from" Tennessee booster Dianne Sanford>" and it was more than $1400. Feel Free (new window) to actually read up on it (new window)


Your sources are from when the investigation was ongoing. Yeah, I read the SI article when it came out. Seven years ago. The investigation was dropped because the NCAA concluded Dianne Sanford was not a booster. Google book search. (new window) It's on there. Title IX textbook.
 
2009-06-11 11:44:34 AM  
 
2009-06-11 11:48:16 AM  
Hang On Voltaire: mysticcat:

Proof?

The gist of his pitch is expected to be that at least three schools, their coaches or boosters engaged in conversations and offers of payment -- namely Alabama, Kentucky and Georgia. (new window)

Lang testified at Young's trial that other universities, including Georgia, Kentucky, Arkansas, Memphis, Mississippi, Michigan State and Tennessee, offered him money or jobs to get Means. (new window)


You're relying on the disputed testimony of a convicted felon as your "proof"?
 
2009-06-11 11:49:57 AM  
Hang On Voltaire: Control_this: God Auburn fans are obnoxious.

They are delusional.


Coming from an Alabama fan, thats farking comedy gold right there.

I bet you drive a Mustang don't you?
 
2009-06-11 11:53:04 AM  
"money or jobs"? One's illegal, one's not.
 
2009-06-11 11:54:03 AM  
Nabb1:

Your sources are from when the investigation was ongoing. Yeah, I read the SI article when it came out. Seven years ago. The investigation was dropped because the NCAA concluded Dianne Sanford was not a booster. Google book search. (new window) It's on there. Title IX textbook.


Well at least you now know where the money was coming from. Sanford's husband and kids all went to Tennessee. She was a booster. Regardless the NCAA admitted that rules were broken but, again, nothing happened to Tennessee.
 
2009-06-11 11:57:36 AM  
Hang On Voltaire: Nabb1:

Your sources are from when the investigation was ongoing. Yeah, I read the SI article when it came out. Seven years ago. The investigation was dropped because the NCAA concluded Dianne Sanford was not a booster. Google book search. (new window) It's on there. Title IX textbook.

Well at least you now know where the money was coming from. Sanford's husband and kids all went to Tennessee. She was a booster. Regardless the NCAA admitted that rules were broken but, again, nothing happened to Tennessee.


Citation please. The NCAA and the SEC concluded that you are wrong and dropped the issue. I hate to play the "whargarrbl" card, because I HATE it, but, damn, it's tempting right now.
 
2009-06-11 12:01:21 PM  
Bad press for Alabama is good press for Auburn, especially as Auburn tries to match the recruiting prowess of Saban. Why yes, it is a zero sum game.

How can this not be good news for Auburn? Almost as good of news as the good press generated by the Tiger Prowl and Big Cat Weekend.

War Damn Eagle.
 
2009-06-11 12:07:37 PM  
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10 SCAN for ("Auburn Fan")

20 IF ("Auburn Fan")="present" SKIP to 90

30 IF ("Finebaum column") THEN 40

40 SCAN ("Finebaum column") IF "Flattering" THEN PRINT "email"="YOU'LL TURN ON US SOON I KNOW IT"

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70 IF (Topic) = (Coaches) THEN Print ("Bear Bryant") 400 times

90 PRINT "12 NATIONAL TITLES YOU COWFARKING FARMTARDS"

100 REPEAT 90 SKIP 90 REPEAT (RECURRENT LOOP)

110 IF (query) = "Iron Bowl 2002-2007″) PRINT "FILE NOT FOUND" NEXT NEXT NEXT NEXT

120 SCAN (room) ="Utah fan" THEN command SCREAM="Freaky Mormon bastards damn you and your flapping titties Andre Smith" THEN (EXIT)

130 VOMIT IF ("conversation") sub (Object contains ["Shula, Mike]) PATH ["garbage can"] direction=["INTO OR AROUND AS BEST AS ONE CAN MANAGE"]

140 OBJECT RULE=(current coach) + (even a legitimate criticism) RE: (current coach) THEN command RUN FATAL ERROR

140 IF steps 10-130 SCAN=(Code: Unapplicable) THEN command YELL "ROLL TIDE ROLL" until SERIES END="Never."
 
2009-06-11 12:10:21 PM  
wattssw: Bad press for Alabama is good press for Auburn, especially as Auburn tries to match the recruiting prowess of Saban. Why yes, it is a zero sum game.

How can this not be good news for Auburn? Almost as good of news as the good press generated by the Tiger Prowl and Big Cat Weekend.

War Damn Eagle.


Yes, a white limo and toilet paper is going to land you a top five class.
 
2009-06-11 12:12:56 PM  
Nabb1:

Citation please. The NCAA and the SEC concluded that you are wrong and dropped the issue. I hate to play the "whargarrbl" card, because I HATE it, but, damn, it's tempting right now.


I know what they said. They were wrong. At the least the NCAA SAID that Tennessee violated rules. I lost the link where the NCAA said that Martin violated his amateur status but it is out there
 
2009-06-11 12:17:13 PM  
Hang On Voltaire: Nabb1:

Citation please. The NCAA and the SEC concluded that you are wrong and dropped the issue. I hate to play the "whargarrbl" card, because I HATE it, but, damn, it's tempting right now.

I know what they said. They were wrong. At the least the NCAA SAID that Tennessee violated rules. I lost the link where the NCAA said that Martin violated his amateur status but it is out there


An athlete violating his amateur status is not the same thing as an institutional violation. For example, if an athlete hires an agent, he is no longer an amateur, but the school has nothing to do with it. (I leave the issue of these scum bag "handlers" kids have these days to another thread.)
 
2009-06-11 12:20:58 PM  
Hang On Voltaire:

Yes, a white limo and toilet paper is going to land you a top five class.



Agreed. But maybe next year we should kick it up a notch with a striped blue and orange H2 limo.....maybe give away Auburn toilet seat covers to go along with the toilet paper experience?

Good brainstorm session, Voltaire!
 
2009-06-11 12:22:39 PM  
Nabb1:

An athlete violating his amateur status is not the same thing as an institutional violation. For example, if an athlete hires an agent, he is no longer an amateur, but the school has nothing to do with it. (I leave the issue of these scum bag "handlers" kids have these days to another thread.)


An athlete violating his amateur status can damn sure lead to NCAA penalties. That is what caused Alabama to get penalized in 1995
 
2009-06-11 12:23:05 PM  
Confabulat: Bama fans can never stand to look in the mirror, can they?

The only bad thing about living in Alabama are the Bama fans. They have this "holier-than-thou" complex, are arrogant, cocky, narcissistic, and pathetic.

After losing six straight Iron Bowl games to Auburn (the Iron Bowl, by the way, is a state holiday), they finally beat an inferior Auburn team 36-0 and that's all these people can talk about. It's like the previous six loses didn't even happen. I am willing to bet with you that there is at least one comment in the article that simple said "36-0" and several that contain the word "barner" in reference to Auburn. What the hell is a barner? One who lives in a barn? WFT?

Saben (who Bama fans believes can walk on water) will most likely bolt from T-town within the next couple of years because he'll get bored and because he told them he was going to stick around for a while, and everyone knows he's a pathological liar.

Again, this state is probably the best state to live in except for these farkin Bama fans who probably couldn't even spell the word university if their life depended on it.

And if you're reading this and you're a Bama fan, you know it's true!
 
2009-06-11 12:23:45 PM  
wattssw:

Agreed. But maybe next year we should kick it up a notch with a striped blue and orange H2 limo.....maybe give away Auburn toilet seat covers to go along with the toilet paper experience?

Good brainstorm session, Voltaire!


I will give Chiz some credit, at least he is trying something. Tubbs basically gave up.
 
2009-06-11 12:25:30 PM  
Hang On Voltaire: Nabb1:

An athlete violating his amateur status is not the same thing as an institutional violation. For example, if an athlete hires an agent, he is no longer an amateur, but the school has nothing to do with it. (I leave the issue of these scum bag "handlers" kids have these days to another thread.)

An athlete violating his amateur status can damn sure lead to NCAA penalties. That is what caused Alabama to get penalized in 1995


It can, but it's not automatic. Some amateur status violations have nothing to do with the school. When they do, yes, the school can be sanctioned, but when they aren't, then the athlete simply loses his status.
 
2009-06-11 12:25:44 PM  
By the way, to go along with our great football press lately,

Auburn is now in the top 10 best places in the US to live.........which should be attractive to those thoughtful recruits who want a good place to be while they get an education.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Best-Places-to-Live-usnews-15476164.html?.v=1
(new window)

We can be sure Tuscaloosa was never considered for even the top 100 best places to live.......dirty, grimy, nasty Tuscaloosa..
 
2009-06-11 12:31:16 PM  
superdolfan1:
The only bad thing about living in Alabama are the Bama fans. They have this "holier-than-thou" complex, are arrogant, cocky, narcissistic, and pathetic.


Guilty as charged.

After losing six straight Iron Bowl games to Auburn (the Iron Bowl, by the way, is a state holiday), they finally beat an inferior Auburn team 36-0 and that's all these people can talk about.

As opposed to Auburn beating several Bama teams suffering from scholarship losses during those 6 years. Those were totally legitimate.

It's like the previous six loses didn't even happen.

Quit living in the past.

I am willing to bet with you that there is at least one comment in the article that simple said "36-0"

You got your asses handed to you. You lost.

and several that contain the word "barner" in reference to Auburn. What the hell is a barner? One who lives in a barn? WFT?

Yes. Auburn has a museum on their campus that is A BARN (new window). It is an agriculture school

Saben (who Bama fans believes can walk on water)

No we don't. We just have not seen proof that he can't.

will most likely bolt from T-town within the next couple of years because he'll get bored and because he told them he was going to stick around for a while, and everyone knows he's a pathological liar.

We have heard that two years in a row. It might happen, it might not. I am sorry all you could hire was a 5-19 coach

Again, this state is probably the best state to live in except for these farkin Bama fans who probably couldn't even spell the word university if their life depended on it.

And if you're reading this and you're a Bama fan, you know it's true!

An API fan saying that we can't read. That is rich.
 
2009-06-11 12:34:15 PM  
wattssw: By the way, to go along with our great football press lately,

Auburn is now in the top 10 best places in the US to live.........which should be attractive to those thoughtful recruits who want a good place to be while they get an education.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Best-Places-to-Live-usnews-15476164.html?.v=1 (new window)

We can be sure Tuscaloosa was never considered for even the top 100 best places to live.......dirty, grimy, nasty Tuscaloosa..


Dirty? Hardly. THE University of Alabama was named the 12th most beautiful college campus in the US (new window)
 
2009-06-11 12:36:17 PM  
Hang On Voltaire:
Dirty? Hardly. THE University of Alabama was named the 12th most beautiful college campus in the US (new window)


Step off campus and into an aged, industrial, uneducated, lower class city.........sort of like stepping off USC's campus into the south central LA ghetto.......
 
2009-06-11 12:37:02 PM  
Institutions with Major Infractions
(new window)
Arizona State University 8
Southern Methodist University 8
Auburn University 7
Florida State University 7
Texas A&M University, College Station 7
University of Minnesota, Twin Cities 7
University of Oklahoma 7
University of Wisconsin, Madison 7
Wichita State University 7
Kansas State University 6
University of California, Berkeley 6
University of California, Los Angeles 6
University of Georgia 6
University of Illinois, Champaign 6
University of Kansas 6
University of Kentucky 6
University of Memphis 6
Baylor University 5
Michigan State University 5
Mississippi State University 5
North Carolina State University 5
University of Cincinnati 5
University of Colorado, Boulder 5
University of Miami (Florida) 5
University of Southern California 5
University of Texas at El Paso 5
University of Texas, Pan American 5
University of Washington 5
West Virginia University 5
Alabama State University 4
Bradley University 4
Clemson University 4
Howard University 4
Jackson State University 4
New Mexico State University 4
Oklahoma State University 4
Texas Christian University 4
The Ohio State University 4
University of Alabama, Tuscaloosa 4
University of Arizona 4
University of Arkansas, Fayetteville 4
University of Florida 4
University of Houston 4
University of Louisiana at Lafayette 4
University of Missouri, Columbia 4
University of Nebraska, Lincoln 4
University of Nevada, Las Vegas 4
University of South Carolina, Columbia 4
University of Texas at Austin 4
University of Tulsa 4
West Texas A&M University 4

/Auburn needs to work a little harder to capture number one
 
2009-06-11 12:38:18 PM  
wattssw:

Step off campus and into an aged, industrial, uneducated, lower class city.........sort of like stepping off USC's campus into the south central LA ghetto.......


You have never been to Tuscaloosa. I have been to Auburn. It is nice once you get past the trailer parks
 
2009-06-11 12:41:45 PM  
Hang On Voltaire:
You have never been to Tuscaloosa. I have been to Auburn. It is nice once you get past the trailer parks


I have been to Tuscaloosa many times, in fact. The city always makes me want to take a shower even if I am there for only a few hours. And the trailer parks are a great feature at Auburn.......spend a day at Conway Acres and tell me its not the nicest trailer park you ever experienced.
 
2009-06-11 12:47:46 PM  
wattssw: By the way, to go along with our great football press lately,

Auburn is now in the top 10 best places in the US to live.........which should be attractive to those thoughtful recruits who want a good place to be while they get an education.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Best-Places-to-Live-usnews-15476164.html?.v=1 (new window)

We can be sure Tuscaloosa was never considered for even the top 100 best places to live.......dirty, grimy, nasty Tuscaloosa..


Agreed. I travel to Tuscaloosa at least once a month and it's nothing compared to Auburn. I don't know about living in Auburn, though. Seems a little boring.
 
2009-06-11 12:47:54 PM  
wattssw:
Step off campus and into an aged, industrial, uneducated, lower class city.........sort of like stepping off USC's campus into the south central LA ghetto.......


Lower class city?

Tuscaloosa: 23.6% of the population were below the poverty line,

Auburn: 38.1% of the population were below the poverty line,
 
2009-06-11 12:49:54 PM  
wattssw:

I have been to Tuscaloosa many times, in fact. The city always makes me want to take a shower even if I am there for only a few hours. And the trailer parks are a great feature at Auburn.......spend a day at Conway Acres and tell me its not the nicest trailer park you ever experienced.


I don't visit trailer parks so no thank you.
 
2009-06-11 12:51:56 PM  
Hang On Voltaire: superdolfan1:
The only bad thing about living in Alabama are the Bama fans. They have this "holier-than-thou" complex, are arrogant, cocky, narcissistic, and pathetic.

Guilty as charged.

After losing six straight Iron Bowl games to Auburn (the Iron Bowl, by the way, is a state holiday), they finally beat an inferior Auburn team 36-0 and that's all these people can talk about.

As opposed to Auburn beating several Bama teams suffering from scholarship losses during those 6 years. Those were totally legitimate.

It's like the previous six loses didn't even happen.

Quit living in the past.

I am willing to bet with you that there is at least one comment in the article that simple said "36-0"

You got your asses handed to you. You lost.

and several that contain the word "barner" in reference to Auburn. What the hell is a barner? One who lives in a barn? WFT?

Yes. Auburn has a museum on their campus that is A BARN (new window). It is an agriculture school

Saben (who Bama fans believes can walk on water)

No we don't. We just have not seen proof that he can't.

will most likely bolt from T-town within the next couple of years because he'll get bored and because he told them he was going to stick around for a while, and everyone knows he's a pathological liar.

We have heard that two years in a row. It might happen, it might not. I am sorry all you could hire was a 5-19 coach

Again, this state is probably the best state to live in except for these farkin Bama fans who probably couldn't even spell the word university if their life depended on it.

And if you're reading this and you're a Bama fan, you know it's true!

An API fan saying that we can't read. That is rich.


You're making an assumption that I am an Auburn fan. Not everyone that lives in Alabama is a fan of Auburn or the Mullet Nation. There is UAB also, you know (OK, fine, I'm not a UAB fan either - they closed their membership up at 10 people and I was number 12).

And you speak of not living in the past? How many times have I heard from Shane on Finebaum about how many championships Alabama has?
 
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