From TFA: But more than 2,000 years later, Martin Luther King Jr., responded, "The old law of 'an eye for an eye' leaves everybody blind."

Wasn't Ghandi the one who was famous for (among other things) saying that an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind?

Ghandi said that thing about "eye 4 eye leaves blind" before mlk, and He probly heard it from sumbody before Him.

texlex hey!

pipco: texlex hey!

Does that upset you Pipco?
Maybe you should get REVENGE on that damn Farker!

I have a hard time understanding people who want to kill someone for revenge.

Kidnapping the person, locking them up in your basement, feeding them nothing but dogfood and Velveeta and store brand diet root beer, dressing them in itchy clothes, and poking them with a sharp stick from time to time for the next 40 years while they listen to a Kenny G cd on infinite loop...well, I understand that.

FTA: Social psychologist Ian McKee...he published a paper in Social Justice Research...linking vengeful tendencies primarily with two social attitudes: right-wing authoritarianism and social dominance, and the motivational values that underlie those attitudes.

I'd like to know if McKee used the actual phrase right-wing authoritarianism, or if Michael Price interpolated that little dig. I tend toward the left in my thinking, but it never fails to cheese me off when social scientists use "right-wing" to describe things committed as often by conservatives as by leftist regimes.

JoeBagadonutz: I prefer my revenge with Fava beans and a nice Chianti.

One. Done in.

// Are you having an old friend for dinner tonight?

artthehypnotist
heh heh. yeah, I'm gonna ring His doorbell and run!

pipco: artthehypnotist
heh heh. yeah, I'm gonna ring His doorbell and run!

OK but remember to pace yourself. Ring his doorbell at 2AM, 3AM, 3:30AM (back door), and once more at 5:10. Timing is everything.

Sorry, I just don't want it to happen again. Plus that sounds delicious!

People wanting revenge are simply wanting the world to make sense according to their worldview. Things must balance out, so if bad stuff happen to us, we want bad stuff happen to someone else.

It's the way we are built. Not only do we seek patterns in everything (Jesus toast, anyone?) but we also actively see to it that the patterns are kept.

Good or bad doesn't enter into it.

Deacon Blue: texlex: From TFA: But more than 2,000 years later, Martin Luther King Jr., responded, "The old law of 'an eye for an eye' leaves everybody blind."

Wasn't Ghandi the one who was famous for (among other things) saying that an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind?

In fact, Jesus is credited with saying 'turn the other cheek' instead of 'eye for an eye'.

Yeah, I guess non-violence has been around for a while.

ArkAngel: Revenge is a dish best served in chili

this.

/probably the best south park ever

An eye for an eye is a bad idea, because it leaves your enemy alive to seek revenge in turn. Often, the victim of revenge feels he has been overpunished or didn't deserve punishment at all. This leads to a vicious cycle of the kind that has fueled countless feuds throughout history.

Machiavelli wrote that when one seeks to hurt a man for any reason, it should be done in a manner that you needn't fear his revenge. This can mean destroying your target in such a way that he is unable to exact it.

bingo the psych-o: pipco: artthehypnotist
heh heh. yeah, I'm gonna ring His doorbell and run!

OK but remember to pace yourself. Ring his doorbell at 2AM, 3AM, 3:30AM (back door), and once more at 5:10. Timing is everything.

You have a doorbell on your backdoor? And it sounds different from the one on the front? Wierd.

I have some reservations about how they frame the issue. I suspect crucial distortions or omissions in operationalization of such questionnaires. They "tend" to be typological, a view of human nature with which I disagree.

However, they have university funding so they must be correct.

"Often you'll hear it said that revenge is a dish best served cold. This is a mistake; you must never lose the heat of rage that drives you to revenge. Forgiveness is a virtue in many temples. But if you are not virtuous, then study your enemy. Think. Think about what drives him and what his strangths and weaknesses are. Keep the fires within banked, and plot coolly, but when everything is in place, unleash the fire and enjoy the hot flush of revenge."
-Raymond Feist, 'Rise of a Merchant Prince'

Why does an article which is completely philosophy, talk about psychologists?

I'm laughing the the superior intellect.

Sonnuvah: the the

..and at myself.

abb3w: Hm. Anyone care to suggest a brand of port?

For drinking, I'm a big fan of Sandeman Tawny Port- it's not the greatest you can get, but it's the best value for the quality.

If you're doing a reduction, though, you'd probably want to go with a Ruby. And it doesn't make sense to use a good drinking port- you can save some money and flavor it up in the cooking process.

abb3w: Hm. Anyone care to suggest a brand of port?

I think you might find a cask of amontillado more to your liking.

Meh. I'm not big on revenge. Under the right circumstances, I'd be willing to do a lot of things that would be seen as revenge, but it wouldn't be.

Why hurt someone just to hurt them? I need more reasons... like, hurt them so they can never hurt anyone else again. Torture them so horrifically that nobody will ever again think about repeating their actions without wincing in fear of punishment.

I think maybe my motivations are scarier, because they preclude the possibility of forgiveness or mercy.

Unsung_Hero: I think maybe my motivations are scarier, because they preclude the possibility of forgiveness or mercy.

And every single time they've been done in the past, they are completely ineffective. And that is why I find your motivations scary.

hyperspacemonkey: And every single time they've been done in the past, they are completely ineffective. And that is why I find your motivations scary.

I'm not sure I buy that. It's a difficult thing to prove... they used to hang highwaymen outside cities, but without a time machine and a lot of political influence, I don't see trying history again without those hanging to see if the rates of highway robberies increased or remained steady.

I do know that when I was a kid there were plenty of things I didn't do out of fear of (mostly imagined) horrible punishments before I was old enough to develop an internal moral compass. There are still some things today I'd probably do if they weren't illegal. I don't think they're immoral, but I'm not willing to risk the consequences.

I extrapolate from my own experience that at least some people can be frightened away from bad behaviours.

In fact, I would go so far as to say that I am an example that proves your statement is incorrect.

There will always be some people desperate, stupid, or foolish enough to do things despite the punishment proscribed for their actions.

[Saborlas: Revenge is best served cold because you don't want the one who wronged you to automatically connect it with you. The best revenge plans involve getting away with it, and that's hard if they know who did it. Anyone who tells you otherwise is doing it wrong.]

Absolutely correct. The biggest mistakes that most people make are 1. threatening the person at whom you wish to gain revenge and 2. getting revence immediately and in the heat of anger. You never want to threaten anyone. If you do, you have implicated yourself when it happens and if you do not, you end up looking like a blowhard.

If someone slights you so that you feel you must have vengence, swallow your pride, let it go, wait and plan, them act. Take years if you must. Read some books by George Hayduke. Then plan so that you can not be connected to any "incidents".

In all honesty, the article is correct. Holding on to anger eats at you and does more damage to your own self than it does to the person who slighted you. Forgiving others is not easy but it takes a burden off of your shoulders.


*My favorite vengence story: Many years ago I had a block of concert tickets at a venue in Maryland. I got to see 5 shows over the course of the summer, same seats, for one price. First concert the guys behind me & my wife get drunk, noisy and obnoxious. Show #2, the same guys, drubk and obnoxious. I nicely ask them to keep it down and one guy went off, ready to kmick my ass. His friend had to drag him out of there to prevent a fight. Show #3 I was prepared. I extracted some urushiol oil (from poison ivy), used alcohol as a solvent, and got there early to dump it all over their seats. This was a hot, humid August evening. I felt really bad when they came to the show and apologized for acting so stupidly the first 2 shows. But I never saw them again after that. I had one hell of a rash on my hand, so I can only imagine what happened to them. If you see this, sorry, fellas!

Came here to ensure TWOK reference pics had been posted. Glad to see that svenbertil and crab66 have it covered.

/Gratuitous Khan reference in MK vs DC. (pops, not a Rickroll)
//Bill Nye version (moar pops, still no Rickroll)
///Muppets Rickroll, actually somewhat impressive from a technical standpoint (pops, just for shiggles)

Cheops: abb3w: Hm. Anyone care to suggest a brand of port?

I think you might find a cask of amontillado more to your liking.

Nice.

What if you're just a very angry, vindictive person by nature and you've been wronged many times with no recourse? Eventually you get fed up and decide to make somebody feel the powerlessness that has been inflicted on you. I would think that would have more to do with it than being a conzervanazi.

no, no, no. revenge is a dish best served with pinto beans and muffins... ah, Kirk, my old friend...

\subby tasks me; he tasks me.

chimp_ninja: Lee451: Many years ago I had a block of concert tickets at a venue in Maryland. I got to see 5 shows over the course of the summer, same seats, for one price. First concert the guys behind me & my wife get drunk, noisy and obnoxious. Show #2, the same guys, drubk and obnoxious. I nicely ask them to keep it down and one guy went off, ready to kmick my ass. His friend had to drag him out of there to prevent a fight. Show #3 I was prepared. I extracted some urushiol oil (from poison ivy), used alcohol as a solvent, and got there early to dump it all over their seats.

And that concludes this episode of "Things I Made Up Theater".

As well as "Things that hurt numerous innocent bystanders and likely got the venue sued theather"

Sorry, douchebags, back in the 1980's people did not sue at the drop of a hat. chimp_ninja, if I were making this up I would have made it more glamourous with me kicking ass and farking the other guy's date. Keep you lack of imagination in your droopy pants. chimp_ninja is why white boys with undersized penises should not wear the latest ghetto fashions.

Synaesthesia: I have some reservations about how they frame the issue. I suspect crucial distortions or omissions in operationalization of such questionnaires. They "tend" to be typological, a view of human nature with which I disagree.

However, they have university funding so they must be correct.

haha. You just said a whole lot of nothing, but pretended to say a lot. Pray, tell me how social/behavioral science research is conducted without operational definitions? And sure, typology has flaws, but it does offer a way to organize concepts to understand "personality." Please offer alternatives. Your seemingly erudite criticism is laughingly basic.