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2009-06-05 12:50:04 AM
Barry Badrinath: I was in Thailand playing ping-pong in Ding-Dang. A high stakes game in some opium den. Turns out, these aren't the types of guys who like to lose. When I beat them, they beat me. They worked me over good. And this is hard to say. They held me down and shoved a ping-pong paddle up my ass.

Steve "Fink" Finklestein: Ah geeze Barry! I don't know what I'd do if someone shoved a paddle-handle up my ass!

Barry Badrinath: It wasn't the handle! I've been shiatting pancakes ever since!

Great Gam Gam: You and I are not so different, Mr. Badrinath. I've had all kinds of things shoved up my ass. But I got over it!
 
2009-06-05 12:52:36 AM
ZeroCorpse: If they don't, and live clean lives after being humbled and punished in the way they punished their victim, then they don't cost us a lifetime of prison expenses and may one day contribute something to society

You buy lottery tickets, don't you?
 
2009-06-05 12:54:34 AM
I'm here to present the idea that it wasn't actually rape at all.

There's been a.. UFIA thing going around since I was in high school. My best friend's sister and ehr boyfrined were always playing this "game" which really wasn't a game at all but basically an ass attack.

You never stick anything up the victim's ass. You merely touch the area, with a little force if you can manage it before the victim springs up and runs away. I used to watch this spectacle, and wonder why anyone would ever play this "game". Fast forward maybe a decade, and I'm describing this, to my boyfriend, in front of some friends, and my boyfriend sneaks up with a broomstick, says "Like THIS???" and pokes me in the butt, bullseye on the anus (clothes ON). It produces a reaction you can't even control.. instantly you want to maneuver away from the poker. So the 'victim' springs up and away from the attacker. Of course, when my boyfriend did it, I grabbed the broomstick and tried to poke his ass with it.

The feeling isn't painful and it doesn't last, it's just like OHHOLYF*CKINGSH*T and it's over. We were drunk and spent the rest of the night 'raping' each other with the stick and laughing. It's not so unpleasant that you're crying.. you're actually laughing when they do it; it's no big deal.

The broomstick never entered the anus. Clothes never came off. However, I have seen some stories where overzealous prosecutors try these cases as "rape" cases.
 
2009-06-05 01:18:17 AM
roadmarks: pd771: roadmarks: Ask a doctor. They are sociopaths - they cannot be cured.

Yes, through your intense evaluation and sessions with the defendants you determined their disorder and decided no rehab was possible.

Sexual predators are not always sociopaths (or more correctly suffering from antisocial personality disorder). But if everything stated is true, then they have shown 5 out of the 7 criteria required in the DSM-IV. Being under 18, they cannot be diagnosed as having APD yet, but one of the other criteria is "evidence of Conduct Disorder" with onset before age 15 and they have already shown three out of the four criteria for that.


Same for the newer DSM-IVtr. These fit the criteria, so far.
 
2009-06-05 01:50:56 AM
Cerebral Ballsy: I'm here to present the idea that it wasn't actually rape at all.

There's been a.. UFIA thing going around since I was in high school. My best friend's sister and ehr boyfrined were always playing this "game" which really wasn't a game at all but basically an ass attack.

You never stick anything up the victim's ass. You merely touch the area, with a little force if you can manage it before the victim springs up and runs away. I used to watch this spectacle, and wonder why anyone would ever play this "game". Fast forward maybe a decade, and I'm describing this, to my boyfriend, in front of some friends, and my boyfriend sneaks up with a broomstick, says "Like THIS???" and pokes me in the butt, bullseye on the anus (clothes ON). It produces a reaction you can't even control.. instantly you want to maneuver away from the poker. So the 'victim' springs up and away from the attacker. Of course, when my boyfriend did it, I grabbed the broomstick and tried to poke his ass with it.

The feeling isn't painful and it doesn't last, it's just like OHHOLYF*CKINGSH*T and it's over. We were drunk and spent the rest of the night 'raping' each other with the stick and laughing. It's not so unpleasant that you're crying.. you're actually laughing when they do it; it's no big deal.

The broomstick never entered the anus. Clothes never came off. However, I have seen some stories where overzealous prosecutors try these cases as "rape" cases.


which sounds like a nice theory until you RTFA. We had a victum screaming to the point of being heard all over the school. Again and again.

And for those claiming he could have prevented it, 4 bully monster types most likely more powerful and keeping you in a world of fear, knowing that if any of t5he 4 see you in the halls, they grab you and drag you off to more pain for their sadistic pleasure?

Cannot even snark this one at all.
 
2009-06-05 02:09:25 AM
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This guy is obviously a closet case with an attitude problem
 
2009-06-05 02:17:17 AM
Kids need to be careful who they rape, the victim coulda been this guy:
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2009-06-05 02:17:58 AM
BasqueBastard: I have a very good idea of how to punish these guys. Solitary soundproof cells for each of them - sound proof with one exception: Atlas Shrugged in audiobook form on endless day and night repeat. These guys will be begging for death in a week, and certifiable in two.

I like your thinking, but...
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2009-06-05 02:24:46 AM
BasqueBastard: I have a very good idea of how to punish these guys. Solitary soundproof cells for each of them - sound proof with one exception: Atlas Shrugged in audiobook form on endless day and night repeat. These guys will be begging for death in a week, and certifiable in two.
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I think I just peed myself... :)
 
2009-06-05 02:44:25 AM
Nightmaretony: We had a victum screaming to the point of being heard all over the school. Again and again.

How big was this school? Come on, I'm all for believing sometimes teachers look the other way when an annoying kid gets his ass kicked, but I'm having just a little touble believing this one. Who is the journalist's source for the story? Just the kid? Or multiple people. Come on.
 
2009-06-05 03:04:51 AM
El Chode: benlonghair: WTF are you talking about? If that's not rape (remember those cops who raped a dude with a broom?) I don't know what is. Fark these kids, thinking they can get away with it. They have, likely, screwed up the victim for the rest of his life.

R.A.Danny: .

This isn't "boys will be boys" and other than trolling, I cannot understand you even beginning to defend them. The victim will have a lifetime of pain and anguish, trouble with relationships with friends, family, and potential mates. His life is not ever going to be the same as it was before being assaulted by these subhumans. The only suitable punishment is for them to have their lives permanently altered as well. They are old enough to tell right from wrong, and they are in fact pedophiles. Dirty moves on the wrestling team? Give me a friggin' break- They RAPED HIS ASS WITH STICKS! Should we have let the NYPD goons off for raping the Haitian guy with a plunger? is this the type of behaviour you condone? DO YOU LIKE farkING LITTLE BOYS?

I'm not saying they shouldn't be punished. I don't think teenagers sticking a broom up the ass of another teenager warrants a life sentence.


I almost wish it would have happened to you. I think you'd be singing quite a different tune.

It's not the physical damage that lasts, it's the emotional/mental. I know several women who's lives were permanently farked by being raped. You and I have zero clue of what it does to you since we never had to experience it.
 
2009-06-05 03:53:40 AM
El Chode: Bad_ad85: The defendants could spend up to 120 years in prison if convicted on all four counts.

I guess the shiat really hit the fan now, boys!

/Zoo-wee mama!

While not excusing the conduct in question, the idea of kids losing their entire lives over this is absurd.


Can't do the time? Don't do the crime.
 
2009-06-05 04:50:38 AM
Send 'em to the US marines. They'll learn about honor, discipline, maturity, and above all, NO CHANCE OF SODOMIZING ANYONE.

These kid can learn a lot from our heroes in the armed forces.
 
2009-06-05 05:06:54 AM
adamgreeney: wee beastie: El Chode: Bad_ad85: The defendants could spend up to 120 years in prison if convicted on all four counts.

I guess the shiat really hit the fan now, boys!

/Zoo-wee mama!

While not excusing the conduct in question, the idea of kids losing their entire lives over this is absurd.

I don't think so. This probably has caused a lifetime of mental issues. Also, any this sadistic probably has some other issues going on.

And decades of prison rape will cause mental issues.

Listen, the kid they raped is a victim, pure and simple. I hope he gets counseling and any drugs he needs (paid by the 4 kids families) for life. I hope he can move on like many rape victims do. Will it ever be out of his mind? No. But he has every chance to recover. Going to prison for life means that these kids can never make amends or learn. The justice system should be about rehabilitation, not revenge and blood lust. They deserve a chance too. If they waste that, then throw them back in.


No, the perps don't deserve another chance. They committed multiple heinous crimes over an extended period of time. What they deserve is to spend an extended amount of time in the prison system, where perhaps they will work to better themselves, and perhaps someday earn early parole.

This isn't revenge speaking, nor is it bloodlust. It is what the justice system of Florida calls for. Don't like the law as it is written? Go lobby for it to be changed.
 
2009-06-05 07:54:47 AM

In Florida, those convicted of sexual battery must receive prison time.

Probation is not an option.

In 1995 Florida law was changed so that anyone sent to prison must serve at least 85% of their sentence. Average time served in Florida for sexual battery: 5.7 years.

 
2009-06-05 08:16:53 AM
hollyhk: ZeroCorpse: But it's stupid that we the taxpayers will have to feed and clothe them for the rest of their lives in prison... How about a compromise?

Throw each of them, individually, in a room with a large man who likes anally raping young men. Do this as many times as was done to the victim in the case. Tell the brutalizer to be rough with them, but don't maim or kill them; Breaking bones is OK if they resist, but nothing permanent.

Once they've served out this sentence, keep them in a juvenile prison for another six months, put them on the sex offender registry, and put them on probation for the rest of their lives.

If they break even a TINY law, they go to prison forever. If they don't, and live clean lives after being humbled and punished in the way they punished their victim, then they don't cost us a lifetime of prison expenses and may one day contribute something to society.

@hollyhk
The charges and maximum penalty are so severe because this is MULTIPLE instances of gang rape over two months, which includes charges of kidnapping (holding a person against their will), assault, and other charges. They're probably also in deeper because the victim of these sexual assaults is a minor. EACH TIME THEY DID IT is a separate set of charges that stack up.

So no, this isn't just a case of giving males preferential treatment as victims.

http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/complete_haidl_3_verdict_cover/

Yeah, when the same thing happens to a women they get a similar punishment


a) different jurisdiction,

b) very different crime. The victim in the article was unconscious. It wasn't done in front of peers. And it wasn't done multiple times.

Try again, sweetheart.
 
2009-06-05 08:23:54 AM
what_now: Instant Karma: I'd give them jail time until they are 18 at which time they can either join the Marines or stay in prison for the next 25 years.

You think 4 years in jail and then the honor of joining an elite military unit is enough punishment?


The Marines are not elite, nor are they a unit.

They're frontline infantry soldiers, and the entire group is a Corps. Individual units are in that Corps.
Thanks for trying though.
 
2009-06-05 08:34:06 AM
FTA: The judge set bond for each defendant at $15,000, with ankle monitors for all but one, who has left the area.

So, an ankle bracelet for the other one would probably have been a good idea, too...
 
2009-06-05 08:36:18 AM
megalynn44: crazytrpr:

That said they did adult crime and should do adult time. After the age of 7 the majority of kids (mentally handicapped exempted) know in their gut that sticking a hockey stick up some other kids a$$ is wrong.

Are you farking kidding me? You seriously think an 8 year old or even a 14 year old has the same capacity to fully understand the consequences of their actions to the extent that they deserve to have their entire future taken away? I will grant that horrible actions deserve punishment, but to effectively eliminate someone from society with no opportunities for reform based on the judgement and actions of a child who stills lives dependent on other adults is just as horrible an action. I'm sorry but teenagers are not adults, and it makes me stabby when people want to act like they are.


Oh yeah, I forgot that with this generation, childhood extends until 25.

/Grandfather served in WWII at 15 - Poor kid, must have traded in his GI Joes.
//Seems that the men in each generation are half the man of their fathers
///If I was half the man my grandfather is, I'd be twice the man I am now
////Joined the army at 16.
 
2009-06-05 09:01:42 AM
dead_dangler: sern: Just to be perfectly honest here. Had this been done to my kid the only one going to trial would be me. The four of them would never even make it to arraingment

That's awesome. Not only would your son have to live with the trauma of being raped, but he'd have to do it while his dad rotted in prison.


THIS is the only reason I would not put a 7.62 x 51mm center mass of these little psyco and their parents multiple times. My boy would need me as a functional adult not dead or jail or inside a bottle. The day he doesn't need me, its though payback time.
 
2009-06-05 09:05:33 AM
adamgreeney: Read above. Yes, it was about POWER not SEX. They did this to make themselves feel cool and to beat up on the weak kid. It is bullying taken to a disgusting level, but it has no more to do with sex than shoving him in a locker. I know you can't see the difference very well with the smoke or your torch getting in your eyes, but it's there.

You're an idiot.

Of course it was about power and that's what the poster you quoted said. These rapists got their POWER by SEXUALLY ASSAULTING another. This makes them a sex offender.

SEXUAL ASSAULT is how these rapists feel their POWER. A normal person (well bullies anyway) WILL shove you in your locker and feel this power without sticking anything inside you.

These rapists, on the other hand, don't feel that power from just shoving people in their locker. They have to shove things inside of you to feel it.

They deserve the same punishment that 25 year old John Doe receives for pinning down a 25 year old women and raping her.
 
2009-06-05 09:08:38 AM
punistation: Send 'em to the US marines. They'll learn about honor, discipline, maturity, and above all, NO CHANCE OF SODOMIZING ANYONE.

These kid can learn a lot from our heroes in the armed forces.


I wouldn't want these pukes in my army let alone my track. I can deal with drunks, druggies and even gangmenbers. Some of them can be saved maybe 20%, the rest are trouble.

These sadistic little farks would probably fall into the 80% that can't be save and I'm going to give them military training: firearms, hand to hand, explosives, organization, tactics, patrolling skills on top of what they'll learn about being criminals in prison. oh HELL no
 
2009-06-05 09:11:06 AM
evilbred: what_now: Instant Karma: I'd give them jail time until they are 18 at which time they can either join the Marines or stay in prison for the next 25 years.

You think 4 years in jail and then the honor of joining an elite military unit is enough punishment?

The Marines are not elite, nor are they a unit.

They're frontline infantry soldiers, and the entire group is a Corps. Individual units are in that Corps.
Thanks for trying though.


People are under the misconception that the military is there to "straighten" people out.

Some "problem children" do most do not.
 
2009-06-05 09:15:08 AM

I've had some time to think over my initial post. A lot of people think, or hoped that it was a well developed troll. that no one in their right mind could possibly suggest that a kid should go into his school and shoot fellow students that tortured, abused and ultimately raped him.

Columbine happened in 1999. These kids that have done this horrible crime, were 4 when that happened.

FOUR


They don't know what the constant pushing pushing pushing pushing of a kid does to them and the consequences it may carry.

After Columbine, a lot of kids were taken aback and forced to review how they treated one another. Fear, it turns out, is an outstanding teacher.


So, no....my post wasn't a troll. We're 10 years down the road from a horrible tragedy. We're due for a refresher. It's just sad this kid wasn't the one that reminded everyone.
 
2009-06-05 09:17:27 AM
what gets me even more is this from the mother

"Taylor presented six character witnesses, including his client's mother, Jeanne Myers, who said her son wants to attend college. The prosecutor asked her about her son's written statement about the attacks. Myers said her son described clowning around in the locker room with a hockey stick. She added that he told her about holding down the victim for a few seconds."

She knew. She knew her snowflake was a bullying jock. Charge her too.
 
2009-06-05 09:20:53 AM
El Chode: Raging Thespian: Will they be killed?

See:

R.A.Danny: In many ways yes.

And no, not "in many ways". You can't create a "metaphysical" law of "spiritual or emotional murder". Those kids farked up some other kids life, and the kids who did it will have their lives farked up. That's fair.


One main difference: these kids who "will have their lives farked up" did it to themselves. The victim of their crimes didn't.

I'd like to at least see that 120 years without any chance of parole. People like that do NOT belong in society. No "rehabilitation"... no "paying their debt to society". NO. Outcast from society, yes.
 
2009-06-05 09:41:10 AM
Cerebral Ballsy: Nightmaretony: We had a victum screaming to the point of being heard all over the school. Again and again.

How big was this school? Come on, I'm all for believing sometimes teachers look the other way when an annoying kid gets his ass kicked, but I'm having just a little touble believing this one. Who is the journalist's source for the story? Just the kid? Or multiple people. Come on.


Why don't you go RTFA and quit asking stupid questions, hmm? Kid was serial raped over the course of 2 months. Period. It's pretty cut and dry. This was no "friends poking each other in the ass", this was "4 closet-case bullies raping a classmate with foreign objects". Penetration was involved.
 
2009-06-05 09:46:47 AM
Big Cheese Make Hair Go Boom: El Chode

Look I am with you man...sick kids need to be put away for a while. I was just probing your brain for what you thought an adequate punishment would be. It is a waste to lock them up forever. Now if they get caught doing something else like this again, then good by!...got to jail forever please!


THEY wasted themselves.
 
2009-06-05 10:21:42 AM
I don't quite get the people suggesting he take a gun and shoot them. I mean, so he kills them and they experience some brief pain before dying and learning not a damn thing while the original victim gets locked up and punished... this is better how?

Sorry if someone else has already said this (doubt it) as I've only read halfway down this already long thread.
 
2009-06-05 10:26:34 AM
skinlayers: PAPASandBEER: skinlayers: Cats_Lie: adamgreeney: R.A.Danny: adamgreeney: Tresser: Brettster808: Tresser: further proof we need more thinning of the herd a la Columbine High School

WTF?


the victim should have gotten a gun, and kill these people.

i would prefer it be done during the lunch hour, since it's a good chance they'd all be at the same table, and any hanger-ons would see/get brain spattered on them.

You have reached a level of depravity I have not yet seen on Fark, and i've been here for nearly 10 years. I see very little difference between you and the kids that committed the rapes.

You obviously haven't been paying much attention.

See, i think advocating a child going in and committing mass murder amongst his classmates topped the rest.

I agree with Tresser. The victim should have brought a firearm to school and executed those farkers. It's the only way to get the country to wake up.

Sure, we can send the four kids to PMITA prison for 120 years, but that's too easy. We feel good because we punished four individuals, but how many other thousands of kids perform torture like this throughout the school year? In the end, we will not have done anything about the system. Sort of like punishing Lynndie Englund without going after those who created the conditions at Abu Ghraib to begin with.

If it takes a school shooting to fix this problem, so be it. Torture-like conditions have been going on in our schools for decades and for some reason nobody wants to do anything about it.

THIS

As someone who hated his life in school and was constantly picked on, I had fantasies all the way up to my senior year about committing suicide in front of the whole school. Either gun to the head at an assembly or hanging from the flagpole for all to see. Ended up in a mental ward for a couple of weeks at one point. Something is very very wrong if a percentage of the students feel this way. Teachers don't want to deal with it. Parents don't want to deal with it. I think our society would be a lot more humane if your earliest years weren't spent in such a farked up mini-society. If prisons create criminals then schools create prisoners.

You need to man up, nancy.

The victim never should have let it happen. As soon as it was tried, he should have screamed bloody murder, gone to the principal, gone to his teacher, gone to his parents, gone to the police, gone to a church, gone anywhere, told anyone, who did what.

Many people will be victimized their entire lives in all of their relationships because they were never taught how to stand up for themselves, or were never willing to take the risks attendant therein. The socialization that goes on in schools is, for the most part, healthy, and necessary in learning about "the real world," where rape, bullying, theft, and peer pressure do, in fact, also occur.

I need to man up? First of all, I'm 30 now. My life immediately improved by bounds and leaps as soon as I got out of the artificial hell that was high school and into the real world. Its pretty well recognized that our school system does nothing to prepare kids for the real world and is mostly a babysitting service. What percentage of your friends from high school do you still talk to? What skills did you learn there that you use today? In fact, I recall being told repeatedly not to worry about it, because none of it was going to matter once I was out. Now I see old classmates on facebook. Most of them are fat divorced white trash single parents. Living a good life is the best revenge.

Also, while he *should* have reported it, statistics show that most rape victims do not due to shame, humiliation, intimidation, etc. Its easy to sit back and tell the victim what they *should* have done. The attitude that people show towards rape victims is why so many of them are hesitant to come forward. The fact that it happened at all means there is a massive failing of the system.

I agree that people shouldn't spend their entire lives being victims. In fact, I become enraged when people snivel that their life wasn ...


I'm probably not the best person for you to talk to about this sort of thing as I was *lucky* enough to have my (nonpysical) abuse come from family, I have, to this day, a great relationship with an extremely large number of my former high school classmates, as do my other classmates with each other, and I'm almost as proud of their successes as I am with my own.
 
2009-06-05 10:28:36 AM
eharac: Alfunk
I disagree with 120 years. they should only serve 2 months. but the entire 2 months should be face-down on a locker room bench getting anally destroyed by some farking convicts, and no broomsticks or hockey sticks here, they should have to deal with the real stick, and after 2 months we can all have a laugh 'cus we were "just kidding around" with them.

I would vote for that. *evil grin* but only if all the guys that watched in the locker room who said nothing got to join them.

/tattoos "Troll Grrrl" on GamerGrrrl's forehead
//decides that PAPASandBEER and his "The victim never should have let it happen." Should be gang raped for two months before uttering such idiocies.


You're stupid, huh? Read the post mine was in response to and you'll see how wrong you are, hopefully. If not, re-read, and try again.
 
2009-06-05 10:31:36 AM
Forget prion, they're animals. Just kill them all.
 
2009-06-05 10:51:59 AM
Lena_LaFaye: Forget prion, they're animals. Just kill them all.

www.mad-cow.org

This is too good for them?
 
2009-06-05 10:57:58 AM
Gamer Grrrl:
The perpetrators are children. We don't allow children the rights and responsibilities of adulthood when they are behaving properly, so I find it very disturbing that we'd afford them the responsibilities of adulthood when they misbehave. Again, they are kids. They knew it was wrong, but I suspect most of them don't understand why. I have no problem with them being sent to juvie until they are 25, but prison for life? No.


A thousand times this. If they do not have the rights of adults in our society, it is simply wrong to prescribe the punishment of an adult on them.

Also, I'm curious if everyone would be on this lock em up and throw away the key bandwagon if the boys had repeatedly beat the shiat out of the kid over and over. Because that's happened in high school for generations, and while not the exact same mental and physical trauma, in many ways it's quite parallel. Being bullied farks kids up no mater what the method.
 
2009-06-05 11:20:16 AM
I'm willing to bet the "My client's family is better than yours" argument won't strike the jurors in a positive way.
 
2009-06-05 12:38:00 PM
brigid_fitch: "Multiple witnesses to the attacks, but no one came forward"

Bystander effect? "bystanders monitor the reactions of other people in an emergency situation to see if others think that it is necessary to intervene. Since everyone is doing exactly the same thing (nothing), they all conclude from the inaction of others that help is not needed."


Bystander effect? Please. Chickenshiat effect. This country is full of Chickenshiats, that's why we are where we are. which is why instead of calling someone a coward, we can placate them by allowing some physobabblebullshiat; 'Bystander effect'. Those that stand up for themselves and their rights these days are labeled whack jobs, or in rare cases, heroes.

/sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep
//eat the rich
 
2009-06-05 12:40:19 PM
El Chode: The_one_with_that_guy: I fail to see how this wouldn't apply to Megan's law.

It does comply with Megans Law. I just think it shouldn't. Sexual offenses should have sexuality as an element, not just sex organs.


Who's to say a kid or two didn't go home and masturbate thinking about? Did you consider they were too ashamed of being gay to do it right there? Just because the act wasn't immediate doesn't mean there wasn't sex involved.
 
2009-06-05 12:55:01 PM
We have a juvenile justice system because as a society we believe that minors are not capable of fully understanding the consequences of their actions.

The more henious a crime that a minor committs, the more it shows that the child in question did not understand the consequences of their actions. I'm sure these thugs just thought they were hazing 'the queer'. They didn't understand the difference between holding the victim down and punching him and holding him down and shoving something in his ass was the difference between a suspended sentence with some community service and one hundred and twenty years in prison.
 
2009-06-05 01:00:07 PM
Also, I'm curious if everyone would be on this lock em up and throw away the key bandwagon if the boys had repeatedly beat the shiat out of the kid over and over.

Because assualt and repeated forced anal penetration with a hockey stick are the same thing really. Right?

If they do not have the rights of adults in our society, it is simply wrong to prescribe the punishment of an adult on them.

Not expecting 14 year olds to know how to drink responsibly or to make a commitment to the armed forces is different than a 14 year old holding someone down against their will and sexually assualting them multiple times over two months.

I'm amazed at the amount of people jumping to the defense of multiple gang rapists.
 
2009-06-05 02:00:20 PM
Krieghund: The more henious a crime that a minor committs, the more it shows that the child in question did not understand the consequences of their actions.

This here is what we call a non-sequitur.

I'm sure these thugs just thought they were hazing 'the queer'. They didn't understand the difference between holding the victim down and punching him and holding him down and shoving something in his ass was the difference between a suspended sentence with some community service and one hundred and twenty years in prison.

Even more reason to put them in jail.
 
2009-06-05 04:16:48 PM
okami36: El Chode: okami36: If the victim had been a girl, I think you'd be singing a different tune.

/kill 'em

Actually, usually the ignorant person's attack is to imply a homosexual sodomy is deserving of rape, where as a hetero rape means the girl was asking for it.

Except I don't expect logic from liters, who are all closet rapists.

I have never put anything in my closet that it didn't want.


I bet you put a broom in your closet...
 
2009-06-05 05:36:58 PM
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Instant Karma: I'd give them jail time until they are 18 at which time they can either join the Marines or stay in prison for the next 25 years.
---------------------

The military doesn't want gays.
 
2009-06-05 10:10:07 PM
Father Jack Hacket: It would have been better if they had just murdered him.

The victim probably thinks that, as well, from time to time.
 
2009-06-05 10:17:39 PM
El Chode: By that logic, then every kid who ever whipped a kid with a jump rope is an attempted murderer. Just because kids know it's wrong doesn't mean they're not going to do it. Part of being a kid is having poor judgment. Sometimes its extremely poor judgment.

Yes, and based on these kinds of arguments, I'd say you know a LOT about poor judgment.

I've commented on my belief that we often go too far in treating kids like adults... and sex crimes are another issue that seems to create some crazy ideas (a senior in high school should not go to prison for having sex with someone else in the high school).
However, when you get to be 14 or 15 years old, and you gather as a group and begin to anally rape another teenager, you've gone beyond "boys will be boys."

A life sentence for these kids is absolutely appropriate. Put them in prison when they turn 18, and let the system sort them out. Hey, there's always parole, and they can have the opportunity to get out when they prove they are no longer a DANGER TO SOCIETY.

The kid they did this to is never going to recover... and that's at best. God knows what he might do without life-long therapy.
 
2009-06-06 12:53:51 AM
me, earlierr: //decides that PAPASandBEER and his "The victim never should have let it happen." Should be gang raped for two months before uttering such idiocies.

PAPASandBEER: You're stupid, huh? Read the post mine was in response to and you'll see how wrong you are, hopefully. If not, re-read, and try again.


I am not too proud to go back and look at something to be sure that I did not misread something. I had my husband and several friends read your post and the one to which you were responding. They all agreed that this is the message that came through. Correct me if I am wrong....

You insinuated that the victim, because he did not come forward after the first incident is more at fault for the two months of being raped than those who raped him.

If that is not what you were attempting to say, you may wish to work on your communication skills. If it is what you were trying to say, than you seriously have no clue whatsoever about crimes like this.

Consider a few things:

1. The rapes were done in full view in a public place with many other witnesses. His screams were heard outside of the locker room.

2. If the rapists could do something like that even 1 time with not a single other kid in the locker room saying anything, what is to stop them any other time, or doing something worse if he went and told.

3. We do not know what threats if any the rapists gave him.

4. Sexual assault is one of the most under reported crimes, with 60% still being left unreported with girls/women and 90% among boys/men.

5. The most common reasons given for not reporting these crimes is the fear of reprisal from the assailant.

6. Male rape victims not only have to confront unsympathetic attitudes if they choose to press charges, they also often hear unsupportive statements from their friends, family and acquaintances (Brochman, 1991).

7. People will tend to fault the male victim instead of the rapist. Stephen Donaldson, president of Stop Prisoner Rape (a national education and advocacy group), says that the suppression of knowledge of male rape is so powerful and pervasive that criminals such as burglars and robbers sometimes rape their male victims as a sideline solely to prevent them from going to the police.

8. There are many reasons that male victims do not come forward and report being raped, but perhaps the biggest reason for many males is the fear of being perceived as homosexual.

9. Gang rape is more common in cases involving male victims than those involving female victims. Also, multiple sexual acts are more likely to be demanded, weapons are more likely to be displayed and used, and physical injury is more likely to occur, with the injuries that do occur being more serious than with injured female rape victims (Porter, 1986).

10. It is not uncommon for a male rape victim to blame himself for the rape, believing that he in some way gave permission to the rapist (Brochman, 1991).

11. Male rape victims suffer a similar fear that female rape victims face -- that people will believe the myth that they may have enjoyed being raped.

12. Another major concern facing male rape victims is society's belief that men should be able to protect themselves and, therefore, it is somehow their fault that they were raped.

Add into this that even if the victim tells someone, there is no promise that the ADULT they have told will do anything. I personally know a young woman that was raped multiple time by her step-brother. She went to her pastor and told him what had happened. The pastor told her that it was just part of God's will for her life. She continued to be raped regularly for another 2 years until she tried to kill him, deciding that it was better to be in jail that have the rape continue.

So.... with all that said, my Weeners still stands. You should be gang raped for two months before uttering such idiocies as "The victim never should have let it happen."

Sources
Brochman, Sue. (July 30, 1991). "Silent Victims: Bringing Male Rape Out of the Closet." The Advocate, 582: 38 - 43.

National Center for Victims of Rape. http://www.ncvc.org/ncvc/main.aspx?dbName=DocumentViewer&DocumentID=32361

Porter, Eugene. (1986). Treating the Young Male Victim of Sexual Assault. Syracuse, NY: Safer Society Press.

RAINN: Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network. http://www.rainn.org/statistics
 
2009-06-06 05:02:41 PM
eharac: [lots of stuff about rape]

Speaking of getting raped, I believe PAPASandBEER just got put against the wall and made to weep softly. Very well done, eharac.
 
2009-06-06 10:12:22 PM
Moral of that post.... never piss off a librarian.
:-)
 
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