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(Some Guy)   New HDMI 1.4 spec coming out soon with 5 different types of cables. This is why we can't have nice things   (tech.blorge.com) divider line 87
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2009-06-01 04:01:16 PM
DisplayPort FTW.
/serial link nerd
 
2009-06-01 04:02:07 PM
which one works with the PS3 so I know what I need. This crap is ridiculous. Why must things get more complicated?
 
2009-06-01 04:03:02 PM
It better be farking backwards compatible. I don't want to buy a new setup just to keep up with specific items.
 
2009-06-01 04:03:24 PM
Monster Cables must be salivating over this.

/bastards
 
2009-06-01 04:04:01 PM
Monster Cable, about to go under, is thankful.

/$250 HDMI cables FTW!
 
2009-06-01 04:04:15 PM
What happened to Displayport?
 
2009-06-01 04:05:15 PM
So which is the one where I plug the coax cable into the VCR?

/ Still stuck in lo-def cuz it costs to damn much!
 
2009-06-01 04:05:38 PM
Hm... interesting... I like how SOMEONE is finally trying to set up a standard connector for 3D video. This will probably have major implications for the next generation of video game consoles, since video games generate 3-D content on the fly.

I think it's time for 3D Virtual Reality to make a comeback soon-ish. Unlike the first VR craze in the 90's the graphics processing power is actually here this time around. There's also been a sudden resurgence of 3D movies lately that could help this along. And we can probably make less dorky VR helmets this time around as well.
 
2009-06-01 04:06:24 PM
Your free market at work, greedy ass bags who can't play nicely with others ruining the electronics industry. Who woulda thunk it?
 
2009-06-01 04:07:04 PM
jimmyego: What happened to Displayport?

Oh, it's coming. It's a bit like MIPI, a dark horse but there are some chipsets out there.
 
2009-06-01 04:08:26 PM
Meh, I'll just buy all 5 for 25 bucks from monoprice.com

/Who pays MonsterCable prices anyway?
 
2009-06-01 04:10:15 PM
Which monster cable will work with my Victrola?
 
2009-06-01 04:10:56 PM
Four new cables and not one of them will work due to the HDCP handicap that prevents me watching my movie piracy.
 
2009-06-01 04:11:13 PM
Will they be available with 14k gold connectors, radiation and Mako-shielded jackets, and bright, shiny, impossible-to-open packaging? At a price 900% higher than the cost of raw materials, manufacturing, and transportation?

/you betcha
 
2009-06-01 04:15:07 PM
Color me shocked that a cartel of the biggest electronics and entertainment conglomerates managed to ruin a good thing by subdividing what used to be a rather simple procedure into a dozen different entities that don't overlap in content delivery.
 
2009-06-01 04:20:20 PM
Kierkegaard's Pseudonym: Color me shocked that a cartel of the biggest electronics and entertainment conglomerates managed to ruin a good thing by subdividing what used to be a rather simple procedure into a dozen different entities that don't overlap in content delivery.

Doesn't make sense to the average consumer, but makes cents for them apparently.
 
2009-06-01 04:22:25 PM
Sometime I just wished everything can be connected with USB.
 
2009-06-01 04:31:01 PM
Reminds me of the damn PCI -> AGP -> PCIe crap video cards went thru.

And isn't 24hz slow?
 
2009-06-01 04:33:13 PM
This is stupid, but it's not hard to keep track. One cable is meant for cars, 2 have ethernet, 2 don't, 2 are high quality, 2 are low quality. High quality= 4k resolution displays, low quality= 1080p displays. Ethernet=don't need it because of wifi. Cars? really stupid and unnecessary, but I understand why they split it into two tiers of quality. Some people will never upgrade to 4k displays while others will. Since 4k resolution is very bandwidth intensive, it'll require a high quality cable in order to prevent line signal attenuation.

One day we'll probably have optical HDMI too, since we're at the limits of copper technology practically speaking.
 
2009-06-01 04:36:16 PM
I'll be buying 'prosumer'-grade stuff that uses BNC connections. 20% premium, but it won't shackle my ability to do with my purchased content as I will.

/ ftMAFIAA
 
2009-06-01 04:36:35 PM
Jaakobi: since we're at the limits of copper technology practically speaking.

Maybe, maybe not. Don't forget, the signals inside the displays are often even more demanding. See RSDS.
 
2009-06-01 04:37:41 PM
Jaakobi: This is stupid, but it's not hard to keep track. One cable is meant for cars, 2 have ethernet, 2 don't, 2 are high quality, 2 are low quality. High quality= 4k resolution displays, low quality= 1080p displays. Ethernet=don't need it because of wifi. Cars? really stupid and unnecessary, but I understand why they split it into two tiers of quality. Some people will never upgrade to 4k displays while others will. Since 4k resolution is very bandwidth intensive, it'll require a high quality cable in order to prevent line signal attenuation.

One day we'll probably have optical HDMI too, since we're at the limits of copper technology practically speaking.


You do bring it back to an interesting point, 4k resolution displays will be awesome, and I'm sure we'll see more progression towards having the TV double as a monitor.
 
2009-06-01 04:42:24 PM
Why can't they just make one cable type with large adapters that can accommodate the full spectrum of HDMI connection types? Fill it with dummy pins for whatever services aren't required and there you have it, one cable to rule them all.
 
2009-06-01 04:47:50 PM
Brownman: Why can't they just make one cable type with large adapters that can accommodate the full spectrum of HDMI connection types? Fill it with dummy pins for whatever services aren't required and there you have it, one cable to rule them all.

I'm clueless when it comes to these stuffs, but can't USB cable be used to transmit audio/video? May be the iteration after this next one? It's just digital data isn't it?
 
2009-06-01 04:49:15 PM
this is why we need a "GHEY" tag
 
2009-06-01 04:55:13 PM
Are you all that farking stupid, or did you not get the fact that these are specifications for features on a single cable?

/DID RTFA
 
2009-06-01 04:56:59 PM
the8re: Are you all that farking stupid, or did you not get the fact that these are specifications for features on a single cable?

/DID RTFA


Well here is one person who won't be talked into an expensive monster cable.
 
2009-06-01 04:58:13 PM
I quit playing this game years ago after I set up my PS2 with a nice new HDTV only to see HDMI come out (my television doesn't support it) a year later. I don't give a rat's ass about high def anymore.

I still have my second generation Ipod too. I refuse to replace pricey electronics every 6 months.
 
2009-06-01 04:59:05 PM
the8re: /DID RTFA

Skipped over the "you're going to need to read the packaging very carefully because there are now going to be five different versions of the same cable" part, I assume.
 
2009-06-01 04:59:42 PM
The article is extremely misleading and/or incorrect. The actual "5 types" of HDMI 1.4 cable are:

Low bandwidth no ethernet
High bandwidth no ethernet
Low bandwidth ethernet
High bandwidth ethernet
Automotive

Automotive is for, er, automotive uses. Obviously it shouldn't come into play for home A/V equipment. The two low bandwidth ones are essentially for backwards compatibility with HDMI 1.1 -- and, like HDMI 1.1 cables they'll probably be rare and basically pointless unless you were a very early adopter of HDMI. The only ones that are likely to be particularly common are the two high bandwidth versions -- and the one with ethernet should satisfy all possible desires. Well, all possible A/V cabling desires, at least.
 
2009-06-01 05:07:41 PM

Contrabulous Flabtraption


Which monster cable will work with my Victrola?


Knob-and-tube.
 
2009-06-01 05:13:19 PM
Clipsy: The article is extremely misleading and/or incorrect. The actual "5 types" of HDMI 1.4 cable are:

Low bandwidth no ethernet
High bandwidth no ethernet
Low bandwidth ethernet
High bandwidth ethernet
Automotive

Automotive is for, er, automotive uses. Obviously it shouldn't come into play for home A/V equipment. The two low bandwidth ones are essentially for backwards compatibility with HDMI 1.1 -- and, like HDMI 1.1 cables they'll probably be rare and basically pointless unless you were a very early adopter of HDMI. The only ones that are likely to be particularly common are the two high bandwidth versions -- and the one with ethernet should satisfy all possible desires. Well, all possible A/V cabling desires, at least.


Yep, this story (or variants thereof) has been making the rounds on all of the tech sites and generating a whole lot of pissing and moaning. Fact is you won't see five cables in the store, you'll see one, maybe two. Automotive cables are obviously a niche product that you probably won't find on the shelves. There's no point to the low-bandwidth versions, and stores will probably just stock the Ethernet compatible cable to simplify their inventory.
 
2009-06-01 05:17:36 PM
monoprice.com ftw
 
2009-06-01 05:24:00 PM
Kierkegaard's Pseudonym: the8re: /DID RTFA

Skipped over the "you're going to need to read the packaging very carefully because there are now going to be five different versions of the same cable" part, I assume.


No, he's right - the article author is misinterpreting the HDMI specification documentation. This is nothing to be upset about at all. This simply defines specifications for different ways to use HDMI cables. In fact, much like the previous updates, the old cables will likely work even on the new specifications. WORST case scenario would be that the old cables would not work in an application the specifically utilizes one of the new functionalities. For example, a 1.4 cable will work for anything that a home theater system does now, but a 1.3 cable **MAY** not work with 3d. The plugs won't change, the look won't change, just new cables will add the new functionality and be completely backward compatible.
 
2009-06-01 05:27:58 PM
I finally bought my first S-video cable: 25ft to connect my DVD player to a projector. WooHOO!

I'll play the waiting game on video specs; I'm more into the audio end of things, and I'm very content right now.
 
2009-06-01 05:52:54 PM
www.penny-arcade.com
 
2009-06-01 06:02:33 PM
+1 subby, cracked me up
 
2009-06-01 06:06:28 PM
Englebert Slaptyback: Contrabulous Flabtraption

Which monster cable will work with my Victrola?


Knob-and-tube.


Real 1337 call it kn00b.
 
2009-06-01 06:12:06 PM
Monster Cables was actually a valid (or more valid) choice in the analog world, where you do get signal degradation is the cable is not shielded... But in the digital world, its either 100% or 0%... there's no degradation.
 
2009-06-01 06:17:48 PM
Automotive Connection System

img140.imageshack.us

Approves.
 
2009-06-01 06:22:02 PM
Okay, so my old HDMI cable should work when I get a TV set next year, even if the new set has more input options. It's just HDMI video out from my PS3 and Xbox360.
 
2009-06-01 06:35:03 PM
Quantum Apostrophe: Jaakobi: since we're at the limits of copper technology practically speaking.

Maybe, maybe not. Don't forget, the signals inside the displays are often even more demanding. See RSDS.


The difference is that external cables have to be longer. Long copper cables= high electrical resistance= high frequency signal loss
 
2009-06-01 06:38:42 PM
Fark all that noise. An all-in-one cable is pure crap. I have no problem running an HDMI cable for video to my TV, an optical audio cord to my receiver and a network cable to my player.

That whole 4Kx2K shiat its freaking YEARS away.

An "automotive" hdmi cord? Just what we need, someone driving down the interstate playing 1080p porn over their screens
 
2009-06-01 06:39:37 PM
Some of them look like they'll have very limited uses.

HDMI Ethernet Channel
Seems pretty worthless to me unless your TV has internet support... I don't even know how that'd be useful

3D Over HDMI
Yeah... maybe 10% of the people with HD TV's will even think about it. You need a tv with a 120hz refresh rate to even think about it, and I'm not sure how many movies even come with a 3d version.

4K x 2K Resolution Support
Worthless to most people, you'd need a movie theater to take advantage of 4x the resolution of 1080p.

Automotive Connection System
Self Explanatory

Micro HDMI Connector
Self Explanatory

I have a feeling most equipment will still use HDMI 1.3, possibly the new "Audio Return Channel" also. They're just specializing to make extra money off the rich people / professionals that'd want the features.
 
2009-06-01 06:41:02 PM
BuckinKaeding: monoprice.com ftw

/thread
 
2009-06-01 06:46:50 PM
ericbo84: Automotive Connection System
Self Explanatory


Asshats playing 1080p porn on the interstate...
 
rpm
2009-06-01 06:49:55 PM
ericbo84: Seems pretty worthless to me unless your TV has internet support... I don't even know how that'd be useful

Optimistic: Firmware updates
Realistic: DRM, ads
 
2009-06-01 07:03:41 PM
T.rex: Monster Cables was actually a valid (or more valid) choice in the analog world...

Yer funny. And I don't mean that in a nice way. Monster Cable was never a valid option. Unless you were looking for a way to pay way too much for useless flash. Their products were no better than generic shielded cables. And test after test proved it.

One caveat: I have had DJ's tell me that Monster Cable cables were better for their line of work because the hugely thick cables lasted longer on the road. They didn't sound any better, they were just harder to break. Which is not a consideration in home use.
 
2009-06-01 07:08:18 PM
Not having a tiny plastic tab or clips to lock the connector made HDMI butt ass stupid from day 1 in my book. Yeah, I'll just stick the connector in there. It'll probably stay while my monitor swivels around and while I move other stuff in my rack.

Idiotic.
 
2009-06-01 08:11:21 PM
joness0154: Meh, I'll just buy all 5 for 25 bucks from monoprice.com

/Who pays MonsterCable prices anyway?


Came here to say something similar. Why do people automatically assume HDMI = CRAZY EXPENSIVE!!!!! Just don't be one of the dorks that pays more than $5 for one.
 
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