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2009-05-31 01:31:36 PM
WTFDYW: Did anyone notice that when EMT White raised his arm to keep from being cuffed the cop almost landed on his ass? White didn't even put any effort in to it. The son of a biatch is built like a fireplug. Don't fark with him. He's there to HELP you.

yeah it looked like Andre the Giant pushing some hapless WWF extra. those cops are lucky they can hide behind their badge and guns acting all douchebaggy and powertrippy, else this guy would have lifted them both by the scruff of their necks and tossed them down the street.
 
2009-05-31 01:31:53 PM
SomeSmith: This is a ridiculous statement. If this is what they're teaching you in the Academy, I think we may have found the root of the issue.

This guy was an EMT in an ambulance with a patient in the back, not a suspected drug dealer getting in and out of a windowless panel van. If you can't tell the difference between the two, I hope to never get stopped by you.


First off, I never claimed and I'm not claiming now to have been to the academy. I've got a lot of running to do before I'd even be able to be considered for it.

Second, yeah, there is a big difference, I agree. But it does go against all of their training to let someone who is refusing to comply get out of their sight and for the reason I mentioned. This, I'm sure, helped key up the stress meter and contributed to the clusterfark.

I guess my most basic point is this: Police should not be allowed to break the law, but neither should EMTs.
 
2009-05-31 01:33:13 PM
justoneznot: MikeFallopian: weezbo: cretinbob: Sounds like cops being dicks. again.
SOunds like they are the ones who should have (and probably will have) charges filed against them for assault and then maybe the patient in the ambulance can sue their asses too.
I don't see where the ambulance did anything wrong except not yield, but looking at the video, they could have passed since that's a nice looooong straight stretch of road.

The stretch of road where they were pulled over was not the stretch of road where the incident occurred. The trooper came back after the call he was headed to and caught up to the ambulance again.

The paramedics' own reports state that the troopers believed the driver of the ambulance flipped them off when they finally yielded to a trooper running hot with lights and sirens (after the trooper was stuck behind him long enough to radio him to get out of the way). It should be noted, of course, that the paramedics were not running lights or sirens, as they had a stable patient they were transporting to the hospital.

In the course of the action, from the paramedics' report, the black paramedic (named "White") repeatedly told the driver ("Frank", I believe that's his last name) to just go ahead and drive off when the officer wanted to detain him long enough to cite him. He also ducked in and out of the ambulance and, in general, acted like the people who kill cops do. Not saying that he was going to or that he was intentionally being threatening or anything, but a cop who lets people act like that on a traffic stop is a cop who doesn't want to go home at the end of his shift.

The cops were pissed and with good reason. An EMT, of all people, should not have to be told to yield right of way to emergency vehicles running hot. He also shouldn't be flipping the cop off or "throwing up his hands in surprise" as he stated he did.

White was being combative and was obstructing peace officers in their lawful duties and he got restrained because of it but only after pointing his hand in the trooper's face, having it pushed aside, and going right back into his threatening manner.

If White and Frank's primary concerns were for the patient, they could have radioed dispatch that they needed to take the patient in and asked that it be relayed to the trooper and then they could have handled it at the hospital. If White's primary concern was for the patient after they were pulled over, he could have offered to leave Frank to get his citation and then driven the ambulance to the hospital himself. Instead, they chose shouting match for the camera and acted exactly like the kind of people who turn a ticket into a ride to jail.

But, yeah, the cops are totally 100% at fault here for this situation and any result that doesn't involve them getting fired and possibly jailed is a huge miscarriage of justice.

The EMT and the driver both reported, in their statements, that the patrol car's siren was off.

That was the first time the patrol was behind them. Remember, they approached the ambulance 2 times from behind. Once on the way to a call, second when they came back to pull the ambulance over.


Three blocks later. Still what call can you go to as an officer and meet up with ambulance three blocks later? Anyone? Donuts take longer then that....
 
2009-05-31 01:33:34 PM
Bartleby the Scrivener: creepingdeath: kill em all

ride the lightning


...And Justice for All
 
2009-05-31 01:34:38 PM
Weaver95: weezbo: What I was decrying was the calls for firing and prosecution of the cops based on the video. I do think that some punishment would be valid but career ending? The cops weren't 100% at fault, from the report and such, but it was handled really, really, really badly.

I disagree. Police officers should be held to a higher standard. at the very least, they should be demoted and removed from patrol duty.


Most empahtically, unequivocally THIS. If the police does not hold themselves to a higher standard, then the public will hold them in contempt, as a large percentage does now.

Those who act without honor will be treated without honor.
 
2009-05-31 01:35:24 PM
yeah, all cops are dicks. (new window)

The cop was way over the top (at least judging from where the video starts), but don't you learn in like the 2nd grade that yelling back at somebody probably won't help your situation? They both were being stupid. And enough of this "all cops are dicks" routine. Stop being bitter about that misdemeanor you got back in high school for smoking pot in the bathroom.
 
2009-05-31 01:36:31 PM
weezbo: SomeSmith: This is a ridiculous statement. If this is what they're teaching you in the Academy, I think we may have found the root of the issue.

This guy was an EMT in an ambulance with a patient in the back, not a suspected drug dealer getting in and out of a windowless panel van. If you can't tell the difference between the two, I hope to never get stopped by you.

First off, I never claimed and I'm not claiming now to have been to the academy. I've got a lot of running to do before I'd even be able to be considered for it.

Second, yeah, there is a big difference, I agree. But it does go against all of their training to let someone who is refusing to comply get out of their sight and for the reason I mentioned. This, I'm sure, helped key up the stress meter and contributed to the clusterfark.

I guess my most basic point is this: Police should not be allowed to break the law, but neither should EMTs.


I hope someday an EMT saves your life sir.
 
2009-05-31 01:37:16 PM
The Trooper had a ride-along female with him and wanted to show her his big balls?
 
2009-05-31 01:37:41 PM
Shadowknight: Look, I know where you are coming from here.... and a bunch of other smart stuff.

Yep. You're right all the way. I guess my knee gets a bit jerky when I see nothing but cop hate spewed and I don't express myself as well as I should. Thanks for the perspective.
 
2009-05-31 01:38:55 PM
rbabe1485:

I hope someday an EMT saves your life sir.

And that's a masterful backhanded compliment!

All kidding aside, thanks.
 
2009-05-31 01:40:12 PM
Looked to me like it was what happens when 2 or 3 mouthy people get together and think they are all King Turd in their little puddle of shiat.

Reprimands for all and let it go. They might have a discussion with that HP doing the weird 'maso-erotic' choking thing to review proper procedure on the when/where/how of restraining someone without putting himself or his partners at risk.

A little note for the HP talking to the driver: Move. The fark. Out from the roadway and from in front of the stopped vehicle. Dumbass.

/shrug
 
2009-05-31 01:41:38 PM
weezbo: SomeSmith: This is a ridiculous statement. If this is what they're teaching you in the Academy, I think we may have found the root of the issue.

This guy was an EMT in an ambulance with a patient in the back, not a suspected drug dealer getting in and out of a windowless panel van. If you can't tell the difference between the two, I hope to never get stopped by you.

First off, I never claimed and I'm not claiming now to have been to the academy. I've got a lot of running to do before I'd even be able to be considered for it.

Second, yeah, there is a big difference, I agree. But it does go against all of their training to let someone who is refusing to comply get out of their sight and for the reason I mentioned. This, I'm sure, helped key up the stress meter and contributed to the clusterfark.

I guess my most basic point is this: Police should not be allowed to break the law, but neither should EMTs.


The EMTs were transporting a patient, for Fark's sake. That supercedes EVERYTHING else here. Why don't you get that?

OHP should have backed the fark off when they saw a patient in the unit and followed them to the hospital in Prague, and then dealt with whatever issues they had. It's not that far. However, they didn't, and the fact that they ganged up on the unit makes it even WORSE.

And lawful commands be damned if there is a patient in their care and outside interference puts their health -- or life -- at risk. If I were the family of the patient in that unit, I'd sue the pants off the OHP for interfering with medical treatment.
 
2009-05-31 01:45:25 PM
Shadowknight: That goes for all you cop bashers out there too: THESE cops are assholes. Most are not. You don't hear about the guys that do their jobs right all the time because they don't make the news. Let's focus on THESE assholes and not ALL the cops based on these morons.

If we only treat this as an individual cop problem, instead of a systemic problem with culture, hiring, and training in the police forces, we'll never solve the widespread problem of abusive police officers.
 
2009-05-31 01:46:05 PM
I'd bet if we disarmed the police in America like the Brits we'd see a lot less attitude.
 
2009-05-31 01:47:49 PM
Shadowknight: Shadowknight: Wall of text

Sorry about that. I meant to edit it down a bit, to a non-imposing mass of words.


How dare you come in here and be all level-headed and stuff? And then farkin' apologize for typing a wall of text, and be level-headed about apologizing?

Don't you know this is FARK?
 
2009-05-31 01:50:36 PM
darkhorseRus: I'd bet if we disarmed the police in America like the Brits we'd see a lot less attitude.

Not to be picky, but the British cops have not been disarmed. They have never been armed in the first place. There's an important difference.
 
2009-05-31 01:53:07 PM
weezbo: rbabe1485:

I hope someday an EMT saves your life sir.

And that's a masterful backhanded compliment!

All kidding aside, thanks.


No I do hope so. You tend to forgive people being aggressive about patient care when it is your or someone you love who is at stake. The officer had no reason to stop the ambulance let alone attempt to arrest them before going to the hospital. They had communication. They knew where they were going. The ambulance was not driving dangerously. The cop just wanted to make a point. At stake was the patient. Not the safety of the officer. The officer undoubtedly had some place so important to be that he then forgot all about it to circle around to harass the EMT and Driver. The police officer was so out of control of the situation he tried to choke an EMT with a patient so he could gain that control back. Where was the benefit to Oklahoma? Where was the benefit to the safety of others? Right there was none. The cop wanted to prove that nobody could fark with him. Not even those biatch ass people who are trying to save someones life.
 
2009-05-31 01:53:46 PM
OK, based on the full statement from White without the policelink slant, I'm prepared to say fully that Martin was being a complete prick. Assuming corroboration from the family members, at the very least.

Which is probably a safe assumption, given the run to the media with the tape. The fact that he never asked the patient's status puts it over the top to probably should be a career ender.
 
2009-05-31 01:57:54 PM
rbabe1485: The cop wanted to prove that nobody could fark with him.

I agree. I assumed, wrongly, that it was a simple patient transport (perhaps for a non critical but non ambulatory patient from one hospital to another) and everything follows from that. Reading the full report rather than just the excerpt convinced me.

Hang 'im high.
 
2009-05-31 01:58:32 PM
weezbo,

You will never be invited to my house. If I am at a party and I see you, I am leaving. As I leave, I will flip you off. I cannot wait to see your blood boil.
 
2009-05-31 01:59:05 PM
SchlingFocker: If we only treat this as an individual cop problem, instead of a systemic problem with culture, hiring, and training in the police forces, we'll never solve the widespread problem of abusive police officers.

The problem is more in the screening process than the powers granted to the police or the job they are called to do. It's near impossible to screen out the nutjobs that look perfectly normal but are sociopaths underneath. They'll pass all the psych screenings, they'll pass all the tests and go through training, and then five years later they are holding some kid's neck against the wall of the high school.

And as I said in another thread, there is a reason cops don't say anything to the press about the morons out there ruining their reputation and why people seem to think they only get a paid suspension.

Typically, police are instructed to just shut up and don't make a scene. Let the shiatstorm blow over in the media, and they handle it out of the spotlight. We had an officer get busted for DUI when I was in the department. Charges were filed, misdemeanor, at the time, and he was of course put on suspension. Many people calling for our heads, wondering where the outrage was... blah blah blah.

Bottom line is, we were told to shut up and don't talk about it. The more it stayed in the media, it was thought, the worse we were going to look no matter how much we decried this asshole's activities. So we did, didn't say anything, and it died out of the media pretty quick with news of the West Nile virus or some such thing.

This guy, however, was nailed to the wall professionally. Dismissed, and he received none of his pension (he was a 28 year veteran), and was immediately dismissed as soon as the news vans moved out of the parking lot.

Police have the weird position that they are not going to be liked by a large amount of people, no matter what they do. If they came out and publicly decried this guy, like they want I'm sure, they'd be accused of throwing him under the bus and only doing it to make themselves look better. Damn pigs. It's a no win for them, PR wise.

So it's almost best to just let it go away, deal with it internally. You're going to be crucified by public opinion anyway, and the best thing you can do sometimes is just sit there and take it and let it go away quicker. Like pulling off a very opinionated bandage.
 
2009-05-31 01:59:54 PM
Unknown_Poltroon: CUe the: "Its only a tiny number of cops" apologists.

It's only a number of tiny cops.
 
2009-05-31 02:08:50 PM
SchlingFocker: Shadowknight: That goes for all you cop bashers out there too: THESE cops are assholes. Most are not. You don't hear about the guys that do their jobs right all the time because they don't make the news. Let's focus on THESE assholes and not ALL the cops based on these morons.

If we only treat this as an individual cop problem, instead of a systemic problem with culture, hiring, and training in the police forces, we'll never solve the widespread problem of abusive police officers.


Part of the problem is that people have an image of cops as all being one group. Hiring practices vary wildly from place to place, as do rates of pay, extent of background checks, local policies regarding what is acceptable treatment and what isn't, etc etc.

Some abuses are systemic but that system is fifteen thugs at a single station and their actions taint the community oriented, well regarded force down the road.
 
2009-05-31 02:10:37 PM
weezbo: cretinbob: Sounds like cops being dicks. again.
SOunds like they are the ones who should have (and probably will have) charges filed against them for assault and then maybe the patient in the ambulance can sue their asses too.
I don't see where the ambulance did anything wrong except not yield, but looking at the video, they could have passed since that's a nice looooong straight stretch of road.

The stretch of road where they were pulled over was not the stretch of road where the incident occurred. The trooper came back after the call he was headed to and caught up to the ambulance again.

The paramedics' own reports state that the troopers believed the driver of the ambulance flipped them off when they finally yielded to a trooper running hot with lights and sirens (after the trooper was stuck behind him long enough to radio him to get out of the way). It should be noted, of course, that the paramedics were not running lights or sirens, as they had a stable patient they were transporting to the hospital.

In the course of the action, from the paramedics' report, the black paramedic (named "White") repeatedly told the driver ("Frank", I believe that's his last name) to just go ahead and drive off when the officer wanted to detain him long enough to cite him. He also ducked in and out of the ambulance and, in general, acted like the people who kill cops do. Not saying that he was going to or that he was intentionally being threatening or anything, but a cop who lets people act like that on a traffic stop is a cop who doesn't want to go home at the end of his shift.

The cops were pissed and with good reason. An EMT, of all people, should not have to be told to yield right of way to emergency vehicles running hot. He also shouldn't be flipping the cop off or "throwing up his hands in surprise" as he stated he did.

White was being combative and was obstructing peace officers in their lawful duties and he got restrained because of it but only after pointing his hand in the trooper's face, having it pushed aside, and going right back into his threatening manner.

If White and Frank's primary concerns were for the patient, they could have radioed dispatch that they needed to take the patient in and asked that it be relayed to the trooper and then they could have handled it at the hospital. If White's primary concern was for the patient after they were pulled over, he could have offered to leave Frank to get his citation and then driven the ambulance to the hospital himself. Instead, they chose shouting match for the camera and acted exactly like the kind of people who turn a ticket into a ride to jail.

But, yeah, the cops are totally 100% at fault here for this situation and any result that doesn't involve them getting fired and possibly jailed is a huge miscarriage of justice.


Are you an idiot? Because I think your idiot is showing!

An ambulance, carrying a sick person in the back (who may be critical - fire rescue does not always run their lights/sound) should NEVER pull off the road. Oh yes, let's have the person who just fractured their back be bumped all over.

The COP should have understood that, and he could have passed on the left, or the right (since police cars are made for that).

Ooops, you look like an idiot now!
 
2009-05-31 02:10:51 PM
g0dzilla: weezbo,

You will never be invited to my house. If I am at a party and I see you, I am leaving. As I leave, I will flip you off. I cannot wait to see your blood boil.


This is what I get for admitting I was wrong? Wow.
 
2009-05-31 02:12:06 PM
mud_shark: Wombatzu: a white southern asshat cop choking a black paramedic who is trying to get an old woman to hospital.

no one is going to make a big deal out of this...

Oklahoma is considered part of the South now?


MASON DIXON LINE RETARD
 
2009-05-31 02:13:46 PM
weezbo: Part of the problem is that people have an image of cops as all being one group. Hiring practices vary wildly from place to place, as do rates of pay, extent of background checks, local policies regarding what is acceptable treatment and what isn't, etc etc.

Some abuses are systemic but that system is fifteen thugs at a single station and their actions taint the community oriented, well regarded force down the road.


Across the board, police departments have become more militarized, both in equipment and training.

That is a huge problem, and it is systemic.
 
2009-05-31 02:15:29 PM
I think we should talk about how cake make us happy.
 
2009-05-31 02:15:36 PM
B A: sven_kirk: Conservationist: Ambulance driving without its lights?

Argumentative EMT?

I blame the ambulance crew for this one: total idiots.

Totally agree with you there. EMT also getting in the face of the Troopers face is extremely stupid, especially when being threatened with arrest. EMTs also look like that they are a private company also (not that would make any difference)

We don't always use our lights. People display stupidity when they see lights & increase our chances of being injured.
I'd be argumentative, inclusding getting in a troopers face, if ANYONE interupted the treat/transport of my patient.
Delaying medical care is reckless endangerment so the troopers broke the law.
Got a problem with the ambulance crew? Follow them to the hospital and take it up AFTER patient care is handed off to medical staff there.


MY GOD! It's like this man is speaking with the moral authority of a HERO WHO SAVES PEOPLES LIVES AT ALL TIMES.

Instead of a douchebag who just farks over your life (cops.)

HERO.
 
2009-05-31 02:18:25 PM
Shadowknight: Police have the weird position that they are not going to be liked by a large amount of people, no matter what they do. If they came out and publicly decried this guy, like they want I'm sure, they'd be accused of throwing him under the bus and only doing it to make themselves look better. Damn pigs. It's a no win for them, PR wise.

That method of thinking has been pretty much shown to be incorrect.

People do not respond negatively to openness and honesty. If they see that an organization is making an open and honest effort to clean its trash out, they appreciate that.
 
2009-05-31 02:20:02 PM
weezbo: g0dzilla: weezbo,

You will never be invited to my house. If I am at a party and I see you, I am leaving. As I leave, I will flip you off. I cannot wait to see your blood boil.

This is what I get for admitting I was wrong? Wow.


No it is because you are an idiot.
Just like a pig, you backed down when the odds were not in your favor.
You will make a great cop, and by that I mean a normal piece of shiat bully with a gun.
There is no traffic infraction worth stopping an ambulance with a patient inside......none.
I hope you become a cop and soon after become a statistic we read about on fark.
 
2009-05-31 02:25:28 PM
Littering and....
 
2009-05-31 02:25:57 PM
SchlingFocker: Across the board, police departments have become more militarized, both in equipment and training.

That is a huge problem, and it is systemic.


How do you solve it, though, when there are a lot of criminals that have geared up that way? Is it a vicious cycle?

Despite all the flack I've gotten for pointing out ways that the EMTs helped fark up this particular situation as well (starting with getting out of the vehicle when pulled over), I'm not wanting to be a swinging dick cop and I'm going for departments where the officers I rode along with were great guys (the one I want in particular is a seriously community oriented department, offering AAA type service to people, as one minor example), but in a world where a traffic stop turns into two dead cops in moments, I can understand the "militarized" training to minimize risk.
 
2009-05-31 02:31:22 PM
my question is who is the lady in the front seat of the police car??

if she was in the front seat it could not have been that critical to have sirens on and stop an ambulance
 
2009-05-31 02:31:39 PM
On the plus side, I am a member of that website, and the little badges on the peoples user status means they are verified Law Enforcement, as you can see from reading the beginning of the comments, many of them obviously disagree with it. Usually they have a rule that you don't mess around with the people who might end up saving your life. Like most of the other cops said there, if they felt something was really wrong, you either get the Ambulances numbers and contact their boss, or follow them to the ER. He also had a person in custody in the back of his car, and they're not allowed to make traffic stops while they have one in the back of their car. So he was also out of policy.

This has liability written all over it, someone is going to get sued in the end, and obviously something must have happened before that wasn't on camera or something, the hand on neck thing looked really bad from the side of the trooper, and I hope Internal Affairs does a real investigation on this.

Obviously from my profile, I'm very pro law enforcement, but even other Cops are disagreeing with this highly. weezbo is just trolling you all.
 
2009-05-31 02:32:18 PM
SchlingFocker: People do not respond negatively to openness and honesty.

This makes the post following yours particularly funny.
 
2009-05-31 02:35:23 PM
weezbo: SchlingFocker: Across the board, police departments have become more militarized, both in equipment and training.

That is a huge problem, and it is systemic.

How do you solve it, though, when there are a lot of criminals that have geared up that way? Is it a vicious cycle?

Despite all the flack I've gotten for pointing out ways that the EMTs helped fark up this particular situation as well (starting with getting out of the vehicle when pulled over), I'm not wanting to be a swinging dick cop and I'm going for departments where the officers I rode along with were great guys (the one I want in particular is a seriously community oriented department, offering AAA type service to people, as one minor example), but in a world where a traffic stop turns into two dead cops in moments, I can understand the "militarized" training to minimize risk.


I case I wasn't clear ..... fark you.
Yeah those poor cops and their dangerous job.

The 10 most dangerous jobs
Occupation Fatalities per 100,000
Timber cutters 117.8
Fishers 71.1
Pilots and navigators 69.8
Structural metal workers 58.2
Drivers-sales workers 37.9
Roofers 37
Electrical power installers 32.5
Farm occupations 28
Construction laborers 27.7
Truck drivers 25

Using that as an excuse to treat the majority of the population like shiat is typical pig logic.
 
2009-05-31 02:38:46 PM
weezbo: The stretch of road where they were pulled over was not the stretch of road where the incident occurred. The trooper came back after the call he was headed to and caught up to the ambulance again.

The paramedics' own reports state that the troopers believed the driver of the ambulance flipped them off when they finally yielded to a trooper running hot with lights and sirens (after the trooper was stuck behind him long enough to radio him to get out of the way). It should be noted, of course, that the paramedics were not running lights or sirens, as they had a stable patient they were transporting to the hospital.

In the course of the action, from the paramedics' report, the black paramedic (named "White") repeatedly told the driver ("Frank", I believe that's his last name) to just go ahead and drive off when the officer wanted to detain him long enough to cite him. He also ducked in and out of the ambulance and, in general, acted like the people who kill cops do. Not saying that he was going to or that he was intentionally being threatening or anything, but a cop who lets people act like that on a traffic stop is a cop who doesn't want to go home at the end of his shift.



This wouldn't have escalated beyond the failure to yield promptly (he did yield, but not immediately) had the officer (with someone in custody) not taken the time to hunt down the ambulance.

That was pretty assholish on his part. He was pissed, he went looking for a fight, and started flashing his badge the minute he had a chance in order to get some petty retribution.

So yeah, you're wrong, and the cops are at fault.
 
2009-05-31 02:41:33 PM
LOGICAL_PSYCHO: weezbo: g0dzilla: weezbo,

You will never be invited to my house. If I am at a party and I see you, I am leaving. As I leave, I will flip you off. I cannot wait to see your blood boil.

This is what I get for admitting I was wrong? Wow.

No it is because you are an idiot.
Just like a pig, you backed down when the odds were not in your favor.
You will make a great cop, and by that I mean a normal piece of shiat bully with a gun.
There is no traffic infraction worth stopping an ambulance with a patient inside......none.
I hope you become a cop and soon after become a statistic we read about on fark.



Chill out man! The system trends towards entropy, and everything will only get worse. If you take it so badly now, you won't have a reason to get up in the morning before too long!
 
2009-05-31 02:41:58 PM
LOGICAL_PSYCHO:

The 10 most dangerous jobs
Occupation Fatalities per 100,000
Timber cutters 117.8
Fishers 71.1
Pilots and navigators 69.8
Structural metal workers 58.2
Drivers-sales workers 37.9
Roofers 37
Electrical power installers 32.5
Farm occupations 28
Construction laborers 27.7
Truck drivers 25.


Really? I heard deep sea fisherman was on the top with like 144 or something.
 
2009-05-31 02:42:50 PM
weezbo

The post you more, the sound you more stupid
 
2009-05-31 02:43:40 PM
LOGICAL_PSYCHO: Using that as an excuse to treat the majority of the population like shiat is typical pig logic.

Are those the 2003 numbers?

According to the 2007 numbers, you're getting your wish to see more cops dead:

Badge-wielding types took a serious hit. Of all occupations, protective-service occupations suffered the greatest relative increase in workplace fatalities in 2007, jumping 20% to 314. Nearly one-half of those were police officers; indeed, enough men in blue perished in the line of fire to earn a spot on the list of America's 10 most dangerous jobs.

In 2007, 143 sheriffs and patrol officers died on the job--a rate of 21.4 per 100,000 workers--making police work the 10th most dangerous job in America. "Things have gotten more violent," admits Rich Roberts, public information officer from the International Union of Police Association, a Sarasota, Fla.-based union, "but fortunately we're better protected to a degree."


http://www.forbes.com/2008/08/25/dangerous-jobs-fishing-lead-careers-cx_mk_0825 d anger.html

So there's something you can celebrate, I guess.
 
2009-05-31 02:44:50 PM
WTFDYW: weezbo

The post you more, the sound you more stupid


You more you respond to his posts, the more you look just as stupid.
 
2009-05-31 02:46:06 PM
Shadowknight: weezbo: The stretch of road...

lh6.ggpht.com
 
2009-05-31 02:48:58 PM
weezbo: LOGICAL_PSYCHO: Using that as an excuse to treat the majority of the population like shiat is typical pig logic.

Are those the 2003 numbers?

According to the 2007 numbers, you're getting your wish to see more cops dead:

Badge-wielding types took a serious hit. Of all occupations, protective-service occupations suffered the greatest relative increase in workplace fatalities in 2007, jumping 20% to 314. Nearly one-half of those were police officers; indeed, enough men in blue perished in the line of fire to earn a spot on the list of America's 10 most dangerous jobs.

In 2007, 143 sheriffs and patrol officers died on the job--a rate of 21.4 per 100,000 workers--making police work the 10th most dangerous job in America. "Things have gotten more violent," admits Rich Roberts, public information officer from the International Union of Police Association, a Sarasota, Fla.-based union, "but fortunately we're better protected to a degree."

http://www.forbes.com/2008/08/25/dangerous-jobs-fishing-lead-careers-cx_mk_0825 d anger.html

So there's something you can celebrate, I guess.



10th............?
BEING A COP IS LESS DANGEROUS THAN PUTTING SHINGLES ON YOUR ROOF.
Hoping for number one with a bullet(s).
If you become a cop, do your part to help cops move up the list.
 
2009-05-31 02:49:22 PM
WTFDYW: weezbo

The post you more, the sound you more stupid


And, on that note, hilariously posted after I came to agree with you, I'm outta here.
 
2009-05-31 02:55:50 PM
weezbo: cretinbob: Sounds like cops being dicks. again.
SOunds like they are the ones who should have (and probably will have) charges filed against them for assault and then maybe the patient in the ambulance can sue their asses too.
I don't see where the ambulance did anything wrong except not yield, but looking at the video, they could have passed since that's a nice looooong straight stretch of road.

The stretch of road where they were pulled over was not the stretch of road where the incident occurred. The trooper came back after the call he was headed to and caught up to the ambulance again.

The paramedics' own reports state that the troopers believed the driver of the ambulance flipped them off when they finally yielded to a trooper running hot with lights and sirens (after the trooper was stuck behind him long enough to radio him to get out of the way). It should be noted, of course, that the paramedics were not running lights or sirens, as they had a stable patient they were transporting to the hospital.

In the course of the action, from the paramedics' report, the black paramedic (named "White") repeatedly told the driver ("Frank", I believe that's his last name) to just go ahead and drive off when the officer wanted to detain him long enough to cite him. He also ducked in and out of the ambulance and, in general, acted like the people who kill cops do. Not saying that he was going to or that he was intentionally being threatening or anything, but a cop who lets people act like that on a traffic stop is a cop who doesn't want to go home at the end of his shift.

The cops were pissed and with good reason. An EMT, of all people, should not have to be told to yield right of way to emergency vehicles running hot. He also shouldn't be flipping the cop off or "throwing up his hands in surprise" as he stated he did.

White was being combative and was obstructing peace officers in their lawful duties and he got restrained because of it but only after pointing his hand in the trooper's face, having it pushed aside, and going right back into his threatening manner.

If White and Frank's primary concerns were for the patient, they could have radioed dispatch that they needed to take the patient in and asked that it be relayed to the trooper and then they could have handled it at the hospital. If White's primary concern was for the patient after they were pulled over, he could have offered to leave Frank to get his citation and then driven the ambulance to the hospital himself. Instead, they chose shouting match for the camera and acted exactly like the kind of people who turn a ticket into a ride to jail.

But, yeah, the cops are totally 100% at fault here for this situation and any result that doesn't involve them getting fired and possibly jailed is a huge miscarriage of justice.


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2009-05-31 02:57:39 PM
weezbo: rbabe1485: The cop wanted to prove that nobody could fark with him.

I agree. I assumed, wrongly, that it was a simple patient transport (perhaps for a non critical but non ambulatory patient from one hospital to another) and everything follows from that. Reading the full report rather than just the excerpt convinced me.

Hang 'im high.


Weezbo You are a bigger person then me. You took allot of crap and took another look at why you felt the way you did and researched the situation again.
 
2009-05-31 03:03:55 PM
Shadowknight: That goes for all you cop bashers out there too: THESE cops are assholes. Most are not. You don't hear about the guys that do their jobs right all the time because they don't make the news. Let's focus on THESE assholes and not ALL the cops based on these morons.

Unfortunately, when cops misbehave, their fellow officers and department close ranks to defend them. Shadowknight notwithstanding, the public hears and sees a united front of police officers, both in their own department and officers from other unaffiliated departments, defending bad police behavior. This gives the impression that ALL cops approve of this behavior, as ALL cops (that we the public hear from) agree that this behavior is acceptable or right.

So, if you don't want the public to think all cops are assholes, it's time to stop defending asshole cops in public as a matter of course. It does no good for the public or the police.
 
2009-05-31 03:05:57 PM
weezbo [TotalFark] Quote 2009-05-31 02:49:22 PM
WTFDYW: weezbo

The post you more, the sound you more stupid

And, on that note, hilariously posted after I came to agree with you, I'm outta here.



Gee. And to think my mom said I would never accomplish anything.
 
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