FARK.com: (4415802) Congratulations on passing your Advanced Placement tests. Unfortunately some of you were sitting at the end of the table, rather than the side of a table. Rules are rules, so you'll have to retake them

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		Congratulations on passing your Advanced Placement tests. Unfortunately some of you were sitting at the end of the table, rather than the side of a table. Rules are rules, so you'll have to retake them (newsok.com)		102
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Weaver95		2009-05-29 11:55:55 AM

mandatory obedience to pointless rules - another hallmark of an authoritarian society.

seriously - is THIS the kind of country we want to live in?

50mm		2009-05-29 12:04:44 PM

This has the feel of a zero tolerance policy. Which is to say somebody needs a public flogging for suggesting this is an appropriate response.

PainInTheASP		2009-05-29 12:05:05 PM

Education and Government. Two storms of bureaucratic hell that can combine into a perfect maelstrom of suck.

/It'll be worse than Andrew and Katrina combined. No one will make it out alive.

Raiden333		2009-05-29 12:06:47 PM

Weaver95: mandatory obedience to pointless rules - another hallmark of an authoritarian society.

seriously - is THIS the kind of country we want to live in?

We've been there since students with asthma were told to check their emergency inhalers in the office and go see the nurse if they needed to use it. You know, while they're dying.

If I ever have children, there's not a chance in hell they'll be subjected to public school.

EvilEgg		2009-05-29 12:10:38 PM

No no no, this was just a narrow, long table, not a wide short table. You other guys were at the ends.

dj_bigbird		2009-05-29 12:13:09 PM

What the fark kind of stupid ass rule is that?

smooshie		2009-05-29 12:14:39 PM

dj_bigbird: What the fark kind of stupid ass rule is that?

My guess is some idiotic feel-good rule meant to prevent cheating?

EvilEgg		2009-05-29 12:15:42 PM

dj_bigbird: What the fark kind of stupid ass rule is that?

If you are at the ends of the table it makes it easier to cheat. You don't have to turn your head, which makes it more obvious.

elchip		2009-05-29 12:16:37 PM

Ain't no rule says a dog can't take an AP test.

EvilEgg		2009-05-29 12:18:07 PM

Do all the students retake the test or only the ones at the ends that passed?

brigid_fitch		2009-05-29 12:24:23 PM

So the administrators of an Advanced Placement test got the students' placements at the table wrong?

lexnaturalis		2009-05-29 12:25:09 PM

EvilEgg: Do all the students retake the test or only the ones at the ends that passed?

Seems like someone on the end of the table failed and wants a do-over.

The Fourth Karamazov		2009-05-29 12:40:46 PM

According to the article, it has not been decided if they need to re-take the tests. I'm curious about how the issue came up.

Terrified Asexual Forcemeat		2009-05-29 12:55:53 PM

EvilEgg: dj_bigbird: What the fark kind of stupid ass rule is that?

If you are at the ends of the table it makes it easier to cheat. You don't have to turn your head, which makes it more obvious.

Cheating means to deliberately break a rule for your advantage. If they forgot to tell the people on the ends about the rule, then sitting there cannot suggest cheating. Therefore, they did not cheat and should not take the test.

Pocket Ninja		2009-05-29 12:58:55 PM

Nowhere in this article does it confirm that the students passed (or failed) the tests, or even that the tests had already been scored. Being allowed to re-take the tests may, in fact, help out some of the students.

The real penalty should be assessed against the school, though, since the parameters for these types of tests are always spelled out in painstaking detail and it takes a special kind of moron to not be able to follow the instructions. Maybe they had the gym teacher administering the test.

Oh, that was bad of me. My apologies to the gym teachers of the world.

Maybe it was a guidance counselor.

lajimi		2009-05-29 01:48:51 PM

If new tests are ordered in all the subjects a total of 384 students would have to return.

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alonzinator		2009-05-29 02:05:55 PM

Now they will never get in.

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NikolaiFarkoff		2009-05-29 02:12:34 PM

Olmos, but no.

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Ed Finnerty		2009-05-29 02:55:24 PM

phlegmmo		2009-05-29 03:02:02 PM

Unfortunately some of you were sitting at the end of the table, rather than the side of a table.

If the mean scores were affected, perhaps the ends justfied the means.

Mentalpatient87		2009-05-29 03:03:44 PM

Ed Finnerty

Does.. does that guy have Bubbles from the Powerpuff Girls on his right shoulder?

Russ1642		2009-05-29 03:03:47 PM

That don't make no since.

Sun Worshiping Dog Launcher		2009-05-29 03:03:57 PM

Weaver95: seriously - is THIS the kind of country we want to live in?

This IS the kind of country we live in.

Philip J. Fry		2009-05-29 03:04:02 PM

My school only had round tables.

wiredmaverick		2009-05-29 03:04:16 PM

bubbaprog		2009-05-29 03:04:33 PM

PainInTheASP: Education and Government. Two storms of bureaucratic hell that can combine into a perfect maelstrom of suck.

They did a perfectly fine job of educating people until right around the time parents stopped parenting.

Psumek		2009-05-29 03:04:49 PM

What if I'm in an individual desk? Technically anywhere on there is the end of the table.

Makes me want to go and watch Brazil: "Listen, this old system of yours could be on fire and I couldn't even turn on the kitchen tap without filling out a 27b/6... Bloody paperwork."

/Sorry, I'm a bit of a stickler for paperwork. Where would we be if we didn't follow the correct procedures?

amazing_live_seamonkeys		2009-05-29 03:05:26 PM

I would hope that a wise person sitting at the end of the table with the richness of their experiences would more often than not reach a better conclusion than a person sitting at the side of a table who hasn't lived that life.

Hack of all trades		2009-05-29 03:05:39 PM

Test validity is test validity. When it's your child that didn't make their 4 or 5 on the test, you'd be reaching at straws, too.

Hypocentric		2009-05-29 03:06:06 PM

And some people still wonder why there is a rash of school shootings?

illusi0n		2009-05-29 03:07:32 PM

Hypocentric: And some people still wonder why there is a rash of school shootings?

Is that also about the time that wages failed to keep up with the cost of living, forcing everyone into dual income families? How odd.

dogette		2009-05-29 03:07:59 PM

College Board has screwed more students than all the jailed teachers in America.

/not surprised
//they enjoy their power too much, go with the ACT

Sodium Benzoate		2009-05-29 03:08:33 PM

ZERO TOLERANCE: RULES ARE RULES.

Arkham		2009-05-29 03:08:35 PM

Why does the school board do somethign smart, and look at the statistics of the test results?

If the mean score has not changed all that much from this year vrs last few years, or this year vrs other school districts in the same area, then keep the results.

If, on the other hand, it does look like the scores are oddly inflated, then for a redo.

Chakro		2009-05-29 03:08:58 PM

Oklahoma, where the wind goes whistling through the ears.

Infamy		2009-05-29 03:10:37 PM

EvilEgg: If you are at the ends of the table it makes it easier to cheat. You don't have to turn your head, which makes it more obvious.

Then it's also easier for the students sitting at the ends of the sides (?!) to cheat from the people at the ends. We're going to need a potential cheater map to sort this one out.

feanturi		2009-05-29 03:10:39 PM

Hack of all trades: Test validity is test validity. When it's your child that didn't make their 4 or 5 on the test, you'd be reaching at straws, too.

Er, reaching at what straws? When some kid cheats off of some other kid, they aren't actually taking the correct answers AWAY from them.

CruJones		2009-05-29 03:10:49 PM

Weaver95: mandatory obedience to pointless rules - another hallmark of an authoritarian society.

seriously - is THIS the kind of country we want to live in?

Calm down Gina. They are asking them to waive the rule. They probably will allow this.

Of course being reasonable isn't near as much fun.

Psumek		2009-05-29 03:11:05 PM

Arkham: Why does the school board do somethign smart, and look at the statistics of the test results?

If the mean score has not changed all that much from this year vrs last few years, or this year vrs other school districts in the same area, then keep the results.

If, on the other hand, it does look like the scores are oddly inflated, then for a redo.

It's a school board. Have you seen the requirements to be on one? Most places it is just being above 18 and not a felon. No rules on education or skills...just a member of the community.

protectyourlimbs		2009-05-29 03:11:20 PM

So they were not placed in the correct spot or they placed themselves in the wrong spots, this is very important in my opinion of if they should have to take the placement tests over.

FeloniousQ		2009-05-29 03:11:59 PM

i definitely sat at the end of a table for some of my tests 10+ years ago.

my whole life has been a lie!

lordargent		2009-05-29 03:12:31 PM

lajimi: [obey]

www.popamericana.com

EmperorSled		2009-05-29 03:12:42 PM

Hypocentric: And some people still wonder why there is a rash of school shootings?

I'm surprised more parents haven't been arrested for kicking the shiat out of some stupid administrator/teacher.

pope183		2009-05-29 03:12:55 PM

PainInTheASP: Education and Government. Two storms of bureaucratic hell that can combine into a perfect maelstrom of suck.

/It'll be worse than Andrew and Katrina combined. No one will make it out alive.

go to though public education and then work for the Government rinse and repeat

the perfect maelstrom of suck is turning into the massive vortex of suckitude via this endless feedback loop

time to buy a bar on a carribean island and retire

lordargent		2009-05-29 03:13:34 PM

Infamy : We're going to need a potential cheater map

A potencheatiometer

Mayhem of the Black Underclass		2009-05-29 03:14:28 PM

I love this thread, without reservation.

Be you Narrowendian or Longsidian.

/Is Swift obscure on Fark?

Rodent of unusual size		2009-05-29 03:15:24 PM

Ah Boo Hoo

cervier		2009-05-29 03:16:40 PM

Ah I hate Lawful Neutral people...

D-Wolf2k2		2009-05-29 03:20:44 PM

NikolaiFarkoff: Olmos, but no.

How do I reach these Kids?
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Hack of all trades		2009-05-29 03:20:58 PM

feanturi: Er, reaching at what straws? When some kid cheats off of some other kid, they aren't actually taking the correct answers AWAY from them.

Has very little to do with cheating. It has to do with maintaining the integrity of the exam, that not one student is given an advantage, whether the advantage comes from a cheat sheet or sitting at the end of a table. Everything down to the last detail (seating position) has to be the same for every one of the test takers. Standardized tests are standardized for a reason.

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