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(CNN)   Group wants R-rating for any movie that has smoking in it and NC-17 for depiction of drinking, eating red meat, and driving without a seat belt on   (cnn.com ) divider line 300
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2009-05-29 02:02:46 AM  
What is this, Return to LA?
 
2009-05-29 02:07:17 AM  
TFA:

American Medical Association Alliance President Sandi Frost used as her chief example of a movie with "gratuitous smoking" this month's blockbuster "X-Men Origins: Wolverine," which was rated PG-13 "for intense sequences of action and violence, and some partial nudity."

"Millions of children have been exposed to the main star of the film, Hugh Jackman, with a cigar in his mouth in various scenes," Frost said. "I'm willing to bet that not one child would have enjoyed that movie or Mr. Jackman's performance any less if he hadn't been smoking."


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First of all, the cigar was only present in a couple scenes. Secondly, the damn thing wasn't even lit. I'm not a smoker and never have been, but has anyone really ever decided to start smoking just because they saw a character do it in a movie? Ridiculous.
 
2009-05-29 02:29:43 AM  

CraicBaby: First of all, the cigar was only present in a couple scenes. Secondly, the damn thing wasn't even lit.


Thirdly, Wolverine has been smoking cigars in childrens comic-books for ever 25 years.
 
2009-05-29 03:01:02 AM  
If your theory is true, and kids grow up and do everything they see in the media; what good are you as an example of someone who doesn't believe in letting people come to their own rational conclusions?

That being said, why the hell DOESN'T anyone go see R-Rated movies anymore? They used to be a dime-a-dozen. The new Terminator flick is PG-13?!? Go f*ck yourself, Hollywood!
 
2009-05-29 03:19:19 AM  
I want $47 million dollars, a McLaren F1, and and my own tropical island nation (including an army of minions), but we don't always get what we want now, do we?

/these people need to quit their biatchin'
 
2009-05-29 03:30:07 AM  
If they believe they're children are that impressionable, they're also admitting that they're faulty parents, and that they are impressionable as well. Therefore, if they want to get their way, I see only one solution. They need to sign a document admitting their own faults. Then we'll let them have what they want.
 
2009-05-29 05:24:17 AM  

ninjakirby: CraicBaby: First of all, the cigar was only present in a couple scenes. Secondly, the damn thing wasn't even lit.

Thirdly, Wolverine has been smoking cigars in childrens comic-books for ever 25 years.


And fourthly, if my kid wanted a cigar, I'd agree. Then invite all mine and his friends, and all our family over. Gather everyone around, and watch his dumb ass turn green and yak on his own shoes. Cigar problem solved.
 
2009-05-29 05:29:17 AM  
Frankly, who can afford to smoke? I was at Costco today, and saw name brand smokes are nearly $50 a carton. Cheaper to do heroin.
 
2009-05-29 05:30:42 AM  
MY rights trump YOUR rights because I speak for the CHILDREN!
 
2009-05-29 05:32:01 AM  

Winktologist: That being said, why the hell DOESN'T anyone go see R-Rated movies anymore? They used to be a dime-a-dozen. The new Terminator flick is PG-13?!? Go f*ck yourself, Hollywood!


They started carding kids for R-rated movies, and since under 17 year olds are a huge audience with disposable income, studios want PG-13.
 
2009-05-29 05:32:37 AM  

Winktologist: The new Terminator flick is PG-13?!? Go f*ck yourself, Hollywood!


You beat me to it! Well said sir, well said.
 
2009-05-29 05:32:41 AM  

Harry_Seldon: Frankly, who can afford to smoke? I was at Costco today, and saw name brand smokes are nearly $50 a carton. Cheaper to do heroin.


Who can afford to smoke and then go see a movie?
 
2009-05-29 05:37:22 AM  
I was certain that this group would be the American Family Association.

Silly me.
 
2009-05-29 05:38:34 AM  
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2009-05-29 05:39:32 AM  

wxboy: I was certain that this group would be the American Family Association.

Silly me.


See, I thought it would be PETA, since they are (were?) the only group retarded enough to pull something like that.

Guess I was wrong then, huh.
 
2009-05-29 05:40:14 AM  
This type of shiat pisses me off just as much as religious fundies trying to make everyone live by whatever their view of the bible is.

How about people worry more about themselves instead of using other peoples problems as an excuse to ignore their own.

/ex-smoker
 
2009-05-29 05:41:02 AM  
Hollywood studios are playing a dangerous game. Getting a movie past the MPAA ratings board with a PG-13 rating may put butts in the seats, but alienates them from their core audience. Even a movie called "Drag Me To Hell" is rated PG-13!

Can't we just go back to the good old days and blame rock music for the deterioration of our youth?

/I like rock music
//I hate PG-13 rated "horror" movies
///I have gnarly toe nails
 
2009-05-29 05:41:06 AM  
GreenAdder: If they believe they're children

lol wut
 
2009-05-29 05:42:32 AM  
Subby: NC-17 for depiction of drinking, eating red meat, and driving without a seat belt on

Wow, I never thought of Cannonball Run as porn.

Now I feel dirty.
 
2009-05-29 05:46:51 AM  

T-Servo: Subby: NC-17 for depiction of drinking, eating red meat, and driving without a seat belt on

Wow, I never thought of Cannonball Run as porn.

Now I feel dirty.


What? Was Sally Field considered red meat?
 
2009-05-29 05:47:47 AM  

Winktologist: If your theory is true, and kids grow up and do everything they see in the media; what good are you as an example of someone who doesn't believe in letting people come to their own rational conclusions?

That being said, why the hell DOESN'T anyone go see R-Rated movies anymore? They used to be a dime-a-dozen. The new Terminator flick is PG-13?!? Go f*ck yourself, Hollywood!


A lot of places (my town included, sadly) have ordinances preventing kids under the age of 16 from seeing rated R films, or require one adult per underage child in a group going to see said films. In other words, they try to make it as difficult as possible for kids to attend rated R films, which cuts into the overall box office gross take.

Sadly, PG-13 movies make more money than R, because no one really tries to restrict access to the former.
 
2009-05-29 05:48:20 AM  

ninjakirby: CraicBaby: First of all, the cigar was only present in a couple scenes. Secondly, the damn thing wasn't even lit.

Thirdly, Wolverine has been smoking cigars in childrens comic-books for ever aver 25 years.


/pet peeve
 
2009-05-29 05:51:55 AM  
Luckily, many films are released to Blu-ray and DVD in their "Not Rated" version. This would be why I don't really bother with going to theaters anymore, and just watch films when they come out on DVD in the comfort of my own home. At least then when the floor is sticky arounds my chair, I know why.
 
2009-05-29 05:54:04 AM  
I think the US and UK should have a nanny state contest. It will be like the War of 1812, no clear winner, but much, much safer.
 
2009-05-29 05:54:29 AM  

CraicBaby: TFA:

American Medical Association Alliance President Sandi Frost used as her chief example of a movie with "gratuitous smoking" this month's blockbuster "X-Men Origins: Wolverine," which was rated PG-13 "for intense sequences of action and violence, and some partial nudity."

"Millions of children have been exposed to the main star of the film, Hugh Jackman, with a cigar in his mouth in various scenes," Frost said. "I'm willing to bet that not one child would have enjoyed that movie or Mr. Jackman's performance any less if he hadn't been smoking."



First of all, the cigar was only present in a couple scenes. Secondly, the damn thing wasn't even lit. I'm not a smoker and never have been, but has anyone really ever decided to start smoking just because they saw a character do it in a movie? Ridiculous.


Also if he didnt smoke at all the world would've come crashing down on them. Not having him smoke would be like taking Deadpool, AKA "The merc with the mouth" (offical Marvel) and somehow removing his whole mouth....
 
2009-05-29 05:58:00 AM  

GreenAdder: If they believe they're children are that impressionable, they're also admitting that they're faulty parents, and that they are impressionable as well. Therefore, if they want to get their way, I see only one solution. They need to sign a document admitting their own faults. Then we'll let them have what they want.


Is it early or is it me? Seriously.
 
2009-05-29 05:58:14 AM  

spleendingo: T-Servo: Subby: NC-17 for depiction of drinking, eating red meat, and driving without a seat belt on

Wow, I never thought of Cannonball Run as porn.

Now I feel dirty.

What? Was Sally Field considered red meat?


You're thinking of Smokey and the Bandit.

Cannonball Run was Dom DeLuise in satin jumpsuit.
 
2009-05-29 05:58:32 AM  
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R rated or NC-17?
 
2009-05-29 05:59:04 AM  
ninjakirby
CraicBaby: First of all, the cigar was only present in a couple scenes. Secondly, the damn thing wasn't even lit.

Thirdly, Wolverine has been smoking cigars in childrens comic-books for ever 25 years.


The comic book people said 'no' to the cigar smoking. Which makes no sense whatsoever for two reasons. He continues to stab people, a LOT and also (and this is probably already repeated many times in on this very page) Wolverine has healing powers. The cigars do -nothing- to his system, the damage is usually healed by the time he takes his next breath.

Heck, currently Wolverne's healing power is so ludicrously amped up, he survived having all the flesh seared from his bones.

P.S. As to the people talked about in the news article; if you showed them Grandt Theft Auto, would they have epileptic fits and die? I'm currently having trouble with a mission that -requires- the shooting of many, many police officers.
 
2009-05-29 05:59:07 AM  

ninjakirby: Thirdly, Wolverine has been smoking cigars in childrens comic-books for ever 25 years.


Kids today don't read comics. Movies on the other hand are a different issue.

Smoking should be X-rated. Period. There is nothing gained by showing smoking in a good light and millions who potentially could suffer. That or demand that every character smoking be also shown hacking a lung and gasping for breath. Children need to see the reality of what smoking does.
 
2009-05-29 06:00:54 AM  
I don't support the rating system at all so I think its all crap.

However, if you do support the rating sytem you can't really dissagree with the concept of adding more variables than sex and violence. All that stuff is more dangerous than sex.
 
2009-05-29 06:01:28 AM  

Lots43: The comic book people said 'no' to the cigar smoking. Which makes no sense whatsoever for two reasons. He continues to stab people, a LOT and also (and this is probably already repeated many times in on this very page) Wolverine has healing powers. The cigars do -nothing- to his system, the damage is usually healed by the time he takes his next breath.


Then have a scene where a kid comes by and Woverine tells him that his powers are the only reason he can smoke, and that cigarettes aren't for kids. The cigarette companies spend millions targeting kids. The movie industry should spend a little bit countering that.
 
2009-05-29 06:01:38 AM  

Winktologist: That being said, why the hell DOESN'T anyone go see R-Rated movies anymore? They used to be a dime-a-dozen. The new Terminator flick is PG-13?!? Go f*ck yourself, Hollywood!


its a subject of much debate in the world of filmmakers. There also used to be alot more nudity in film. Around 1980 there was a huge backlash against the censorship that used to be the norm. You saw lots of movies like "Basic Instinct" and "Fatal Attraction." The filmmaking industry seriously attempted to see how many tits and sex scenes you can put in one movie without it becomming a porno.

since then two things have happened. One, our standards have become more lax, so things that would have been R are now pg-13 when you're talking about guns, drugs, and dirty words.

Two, the Repervlicans and the conservaperv revival have caused our cinemas to remove almost all nudity. Going to see a rated-R movie used to mean you were gonna see some boobs! (or man-butt for you ladies)

Now, if theres any frontal nudity, its NC-17. wtf? Its because of people like this:

whitehouse.georgewbush.org
 
2009-05-29 06:02:10 AM  
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2009-05-29 06:03:20 AM  

Remove all Republicans: ninjakirby: Thirdly, Wolverine has been smoking cigars in childrens comic-books for ever 25 years.

Kids today don't read comics. Movies on the other hand are a different issue.

Smoking should be X-rated. Period. There is nothing gained by showing smoking in a good light and millions who potentially could suffer. That or demand that every character smoking be also shown hacking a lung and gasping for breath. Children need to see the reality of what smoking does.


If my kids can't see smoking on and drinking on TV and the movies, how will I be able to tell them it's bad for them?
 
2009-05-29 06:04:27 AM  

Crocodilly_Pontifex: Two, the Repervlicans and the conservaperv revival have caused our cinemas to remove almost all nudity. Going to see a rated-R movie used to mean you were gonna see some boobs! (or man-butt for you ladies)

Now, if theres any frontal nudity, its NC-17. wtf? Its because of people like this:


Same for if you have a gay kiss or any hint of a same-sex relationship.

Heterosexual couple in bed? PG-13 or maybe R.
Homosexual couple in bed? NC-17 automatically.

interactive.usc.edu
 
2009-05-29 06:05:21 AM  

Rusty Bumpers: If my kids can't see smoking on and drinking on TV and the movies, how will I be able to tell them it's bad for them?


You shouldn't have to tell them. The media should tell them it's bad for you. Isn't that their job, to do your parenting for you?
 
2009-05-29 06:09:04 AM  
one word

fascists
 
2009-05-29 06:10:06 AM  

Remove all Republicans: Rusty Bumpers: If my kids can't see smoking on and drinking on TV and the movies, how will I be able to tell them it's bad for them?

You shouldn't have to tell them. The media should tell them it's bad for you. Isn't that their job, to do your parenting for you?


So that's also why parents put their kids in daycare - to let someone else raise them.

/I'm doing it all wrong
 
2009-05-29 06:11:37 AM  
shiat is tame. Cigars? Really? Bogart would kick your ass for writing this article.

If I had crazy healing/immunity powers, I would be smoking cigars filled with crack rocks held together with black tar heroin.

Even in the comics, they frequently showed Logan downing impossible amounts of liquor in an attempt to outpace his recuperative abilities just to catch a buzz. As an impressionable teen and avid reader, it never occured to me to down multiple bottles of 80 proof just to try to drink this fictional character under the table. I guess I'm a pussy like that.

I just don't get the problem. Even if you're one of those "I jumped off the building because I was on LSD and I thought I was Superman" mythical idiots, this is a non-issue, and a total buzz kill.

It's a cigar. It's a fictional character who is immune to the negative possibilities of tobacco. Let it go.
 
2009-05-29 06:14:26 AM  
Funny thing is that tobacco companies probably love this. Smoking would be even more badass than before.
 
2009-05-29 06:15:04 AM  

T-Servo: spleendingo: T-Servo: Subby: NC-17 for depiction of drinking, eating red meat, and driving without a seat belt on

Wow, I never thought of Cannonball Run as porn.

Now I feel dirty.

What? Was Sally Field considered red meat?

You're thinking of Smokey and the Bandit.

Cannonball Run was Dom DeLuise in satin jumpsuit.


Agh! Massive fail on my part. But the late Dom DeLuise counts as red meat....yeah?

/Thanks for the reminder.
//Dom DeLuise in a satin jumpsuit works when you're REALLY drunk
 
2009-05-29 06:17:03 AM  

Remove all Republicans: ninjakirby: Thirdly, Wolverine has been smoking cigars in childrens comic-books for ever 25 years.

Kids today don't read comics. Movies on the other hand are a different issue.

Smoking should be X-rated. Period. There is nothing gained by showing smoking in a good light and millions who potentially could suffer. That or demand that every character smoking be also shown hacking a lung and gasping for breath. Children need to see the reality of what smoking does.


Isn't that what farking PARENTS are supposed to do? Seriously, stop being lazy and expecting society to raise your kids. You brought your hoarde into this world, now they're YOUR responsibility!

Hell, I've grown up with a pack-a-day-smoker grandfather for the last 20 years, and even THAT hasn't compelled me to smoke or not to smoke. Maybe I'm different seeing as I have WILL POWER and perhaps a shred of intelligence too. I'm not going to let someone or something influence me just 'cause I think it's "cool."

/Grow a pair!
 
2009-05-29 06:20:14 AM  

Allansfirebird: Remove all Republicans: ninjakirby: Thirdly, Wolverine has been smoking cigars in childrens comic-books for ever 25 years.

Kids today don't read comics. Movies on the other hand are a different issue.

Smoking should be X-rated. Period. There is nothing gained by showing smoking in a good light and millions who potentially could suffer. That or demand that every character smoking be also shown hacking a lung and gasping for breath. Children need to see the reality of what smoking does.

Isn't that what farking PARENTS are supposed to do? Seriously, stop being lazy and expecting society to raise your kids. You brought your hoarde into this world, now they're YOUR responsibility!

Hell, I've grown up with a pack-a-day-smoker grandfather for the last 20 years, and even THAT hasn't compelled me to smoke or not to smoke. Maybe I'm different seeing as I have WILL POWER and perhaps a shred of intelligence too. I'm not going to let someone or something influence me just 'cause I think it's "cool."

/Grow a pair!


Now, now, you have to remember Allan... It takes a Village to raise a child. Parents are not only off the hook for parenting their own spawn, they are obsolete.
 
2009-05-29 06:22:21 AM  
I'm disappointed that subby missed an opportunity for a "Yeah, good luck with that" headline.

/grossly underused these days
 
2009-05-29 06:22:29 AM  

unicron702: ninjakirby: CraicBaby: First of all, the cigar was only present in a couple scenes. Secondly, the damn thing wasn't even lit.

Thirdly, Wolverine has been smoking cigars in childrens comic-books for ever 25 years.

And fourthly, if my kid wanted a cigar, I'd agree. Then invite all mine and his friends, and all our family over. Gather everyone around, and watch his dumb ass turn green and yak on his own shoes. Cigar problem solved.


this made my morning :)
 
2009-05-29 06:23:41 AM  

spleendingo: Dom DeLuise counts as red meat....yeah?


sloblogs.thetribunenews.com

You betcha.
 
2009-05-29 06:24:09 AM  

wxboy: I was certain that this group would be the American Family Association.

Silly me.


They only care if the movies have gay people, anti-Christian themes, and liberals.

/AFA and PTC stink and I don't like 'em
 
2009-05-29 06:24:42 AM  
Approves.
www.euro-cig.com

Just advertise to children, what's the problem? You know I kinda agree with these guys on this one. Can you show people shooting heroin in PG movies? How about weed? Oxycontin? Driving?
 
2009-05-29 06:26:33 AM  
Here's the latest craze among kids, smoking smarties candy. Going to outlaw that?
thumbnails.cbsig.net
 
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