I liken the Terminator series to the Alien series. The first two were great for different reasons. The third was far less awesome but got us to the fourth. Like the rest, it adhered to a time line but added to the canon. Not a good film, but a great movie.

To the people commenting on the lack of lasers and the fact that Reese called the T-800s "new" in T1: don't forget that this is in a timeline that was altered by the actions of the people/robots sent back in time in the previous three movies. Events just unfolded differently than the aforementioned time-travellers originally experienced.

CaesarSneezy: Why would a computer create an avatar to brag about its plans? WTF

That's another thing: wasn't there an image released of Helena Bonham Carter's character shown as half human/half terminator? I distinctly remember a picture of her with half a face made of metal. Was that from a deleted scene or something? I was waiting for her to show up at the end and kick some ass, but when it turned out she was just a snarky program ala I, Robot or something, I was confused.

spleef420: Treygreen13: I heard from a few people that it's actually not a bad movie. I'm not going to see it, but can anyone confirm/deny?

Car_Ramrod: I really wanted this to be a good movie, but reviews haven't been promising. First hand accounts?

you're asking this question on a site known for hating anything and everything.

I hate everything and will confirm that I heard from a few people who liked this movie. They saw it back to back with Star Trek at a drive-in and said both movies were entertaining.

hitlersbrain: ('No country for old men'?!!!).

The good news is, I've discovered your problem...

Heard from term fans it's a good movie. As someone who actually has some (albeit it minimal) standards in movies, I've never understood how anyone could watch a terminator movie.

dragonaut: Ixly: I can confirm that the movie was weak. But then, the whole premise of the terminator movies is weak. I can think of at least a dozen more efficient ways to kill off humanity than human-shaped robots.

why do people like you even watch movies? Go do something that doesnt take imagination to enjoy.

Like your mom?

sboyle1020: I appreciated the darker nature they brought back from the first movie, but it was lacking. Definitely an on demand rental...

Main reason why I liked it. Definitely grittier than T2 or T3, and in that respect in my mind it's a more fitting sequel than either of those were. T2 completely lost the feel of the original. It felt watered down and compromising, and the fatherhood subtext was ridiculous and pointless.

My only complaint about T:S one was it seems like they left too much on the cutting room floor. They could have used a bit more character development, but then the action film fan in me says "who gives a sh*t?". It ended a bit abruptly, too (SPOILER: they could have at least put some drama around what would have been an immensely difficult surgery, instead of just skipping through the whole thing).

Most of the bad reviews reek of axes that needed grinding from critics, and fanboy delusion ("they didn't make the movie in MY head! Waaahhh!").

If you like cheesy action movies then yes you will like it. We saw it in a drive in. So yes, with beer the movie is enjoyable. It is better than T3 but not as good as T1 & T2. I liked it like I liked the Transformer movie, fun action scenes, bad writing. Perfect summer movie, no brains, all brawn.

The second movie playing was Star Trek. That movie blew, we left 20 minutes into it. There was even a scene ripped off from Top Gun. It was the scene where Tom Cruise is all upset and watches the airplanes take off while on his motorcycle. Kirk, does the same thing, watches the starships take off while on his motorcycle.

T4 - Good cheese
Star Trek - Bad cheese

Fark the haters, Terminator was awesome.

CrazyCracka420: (albeit it minimal)

Oops, you don't need that middle word, Frasier.

Kronnyj: That movie blew, we left 20 minutes into it.

Oh dear god, you sat through the credits. Your opinion means more than if you actually, oh, I don't know, sat through the film, dipstick.

Xenomech: To the people commenting on the lack of lasers and the fact that Reese called the T-800s "new" in T1: don't forget that this is in a timeline that was altered by the actions of the people/robots sent back in time in the previous three movies. Events just unfolded differently than the aforementioned time-travellers originally experienced.

This is why time travel stories are always fall apart with scrutiny unless you meet one of two conditions:

1) You can travel back in time and change things -- but it will change things only for a parallel universe (Star Trek)
2) You can travel back in time, but you can't make changes that alter your present -- because whatever happened, happened (Lost)

Terminator 1 would be a good example of #2. (Well, it's not explicitly stated, but it does create a stable time loop.)

Terminator 2 and 3 take #2, bend it over a Delorian, and fark it in the ass repeatedly.

Oh yeah, as much as I liked it, one part that kind of made me roll my eyes was when the A-10 pilots were fleeing the HKs, and John ordered them to "make evasive maneuvers" or something like that. Well, no sh*t, dude, they've got 2 flying terminators chasing my ass...pretty sure they're ten steps ahead of ya.

Still enjoyed it a lot. One of many really awesome scenes.

Terminator washed the bad taste of Star Trek out of my mouth. Good to see the summer blockbusters aren't so worthless.

Marla Singer's Laundry: hitlersbrain: ('No country for old men'?!!!).

The good news is, I've discovered your problem...

I don't like over hyped, star studded, arty trash posing as an actual movie? I don't see that as a problem.

bobguy64: Evidently you didn't see "The Spirit".

Ugh.

THIS! I'm rarely dissapointed in movies, mostly because I go in to everything with very low expectations. But watching The Spirit was like having Frank Miller take a dump in my eyes. I'd rather lick burning a-hole than watch that movie again. It was so bad it actually hurt my feelings.

Pandar: Terminator washed the bad taste of Star Trek out of my mouth. Good to see the summer blockbusters aren't so worthless.

At the time, I was pissed with Star Trek and left it feeling extremely underwhelmed.

As time has passed and I thought about it, I've come to get over it and want to see it again.

Kronnyj: If you like cheesy action movies then yes you will like it. We saw it in a drive in. So yes, with beer the movie is enjoyable. It is better than T3 but not as good as T1 & T2. I liked it like I liked the Transformer movie, fun action scenes, bad writing. Perfect summer movie, no brains, all brawn.

The second movie playing was Star Trek. That movie blew, we left 20 minutes into it. There was even a scene ripped off from Top Gun. It was the scene where Tom Cruise is all upset and watches the airplanes take off while on his motorcycle. Kirk, does the same thing, watches the starships take off while on his motorcycle.

T4 - Good cheese
Star Trek - Bad cheese

I normally absolutely hate Star Trek movies, but I was pretty entertained with it. On the contrary, I loved Terminator 1 and 2 (3 was meh worth watching at home), but absolutely HATED the new one. I like bright shiny stuff, explosions, ninjas, blood, etc. guy stuff, but felt Terminator 4 was totally lacking that. It really didn't have any appeal and the action scenes were lackluster. No big fire fights, just bland. It is kind of like watching an old sub titled Jet Li movie, then trying to watch David Carradine or some white guy fight. The Jet Li movie is LOADS more entertaining.

dreadprophet: bobguy64:

Hey, I liked The Spirit. Because it was so absurdly awful that I couldn't stop laughing. It's a bad movie, but I enjoyed it anyways. For all the wrong reasons.

Then you enjoyed it for the right reasons. The Spirit is intentionally campy and absolutely wonderful.

elchip: This is why time travel stories are always fall apart with scrutiny unless you meet one of two conditions:

1) You can travel back in time and change things -- but it will change things only for a parallel universe (Star Trek)
2) You can travel back in time, but you can't make changes that alter your present -- because whatever happened, happened (Lost)

The second Austin Powers said it best:
Austin: Wait a tick. Basil, if I travel back to 1969 and I was frozen in 1967, presumeably, I could go back and visit my frozen self. But, if I'm still frozen in 1967, how could I have been unthawed in the '90s and traveled back to...
[goes cross-eyed]
Austin: Oh, no, I've gone cross-eyed.
Basil: I suggest you don't worry about those things and just enjoy yourself.
[to camera]
Basil: That goes for you all, too.
Austin: Yes.

Bolded the part that too many fanboy assholes have forgotten.

hitlersbrain: Marla Singer's Laundry: hitlersbrain: ('No country for old men'?!!!).

The good news is, I've discovered your problem...

I don't like over hyped, star studded, arty trash posing as an actual movie? I don't see that as a problem.

Well, you're an 18 year-old boy. Of course you love shiny trucks and titties. However, you're an idiot.

elchip: MonkeyAngst: Apparently they were too busy working on silly-looking giant Terminators which somehow end up being less scary than a naked Austrian?

They were T-600s. They were inferior.

I was talking about the giant Terminator, the one that attacks the 7-11. Too big to not be silly, really.

corporate mustache: It was a plot made of holes. Truly awful. Can anyone explain where Sam Worthington went for 15 years?

Was he time-ported from the past?

MonkeyAngst: I was talking about the giant Terminator, the one that attacks the 7-11. Too big to not be silly, really.

Well, that thing was pretty scary. Did they ever destroy it? Or did they just escape? I'm trying to remember... but the last thing I remember is them torching the 7-11, but then it comes out mostly unscathed, it drops the motorcycles, and they give chase... do they ever destroy the big thing?

elchip: Xenomech: To the people commenting on the lack of lasers and the fact that Reese called the T-800s "new" in T1: don't forget that this is in a timeline that was altered by the actions of the people/robots sent back in time in the previous three movies. Events just unfolded differently than the aforementioned time-travellers originally experienced.

This is why time travel stories are always fall apart with scrutiny unless you meet one of two conditions:

1) You can travel back in time and change things -- but it will change things only for a parallel universe (Star Trek)
2) You can travel back in time, but you can't make changes that alter your present -- because whatever happened, happened (Lost)

Terminator 1 would be a good example of #2. (Well, it's not explicitly stated, but it does create a stable time loop.)

Terminator 2 and 3 take #2, bend it over a Delorian, and fark it in the ass repeatedly.


Well said.

Terminator is worthy, at most, of renting at your local movie rental place. Go see Star Trek in theaters, it's worth it.

the money is in the banana stand: I like bright shiny stuff, explosions, ninjas, blood, etc. guy stuff, but felt Terminator 4 was totally lacking that. It really didn't have any appeal and the action scenes were lackluster. No big fire fights, just bland.

WTF??? What about the single-shot scene where John jumps in the helicopter, the nuke goes off and throws the Huey into a spin, he crashes, and gets attacked by the crippled T-800? Or the street scene with the T-600? Or the A-10 attack/retreat? Or Marcus' escape from the base? Or the motorcycle chase scene?

The action scenes were amazing. It's the one thing I haven't seen anyone complain about in regards to this film (until now).

Ixly: I can confirm that the movie was weak. But then, the whole premise of the terminator movies is weak. I can think of at least a dozen more efficient ways to kill off humanity than human-shaped robots.

I have not seen T4, but I've always laughed how big 'ole Arnie was some how an "infiltration model".
If the T700 looked like Woody Allen the machine would have won by now.

Pengfish: dreadprophet: bobguy64:

Hey, I liked The Spirit. Because it was so absurdly awful that I couldn't stop laughing. It's a bad movie, but I enjoyed it anyways. For all the wrong reasons.

Then you enjoyed it for the right reasons. The Spirit is intentionally campy and absolutely wonderful.

I get that Miller is great with visuals. But it was so boring and retarded to me. I guess if it's just straight camp, then I have absolutely no ability to appreciate camp.

Rent Party: First 90 minutes is pure cinematic gold.

Last 20 minutes made me want to rip my own heart out.

/ Seriously! WTF was that!? She's a VETERINARIAN!

I guess she doesn't eat meat, but surely she likes the bone?

ShadowPenguin: Good popcorn flick, lots of action but they REALLY farked up the end game.

Worth a DVD rental at best.

This.

I enjoyed it. It's not a masterpiece of fiction, nor a gripping tale of humanity. It's an action movie, and a pretty good one at that.

elchip: Xenomech: To the people commenting on the lack of lasers and the fact that Reese called the T-800s "new" in T1: don't forget that this is in a timeline that was altered by the actions of the people/robots sent back in time in the previous three movies. Events just unfolded differently than the aforementioned time-travellers originally experienced.

This is why time travel stories are always fall apart with scrutiny unless you meet one of two conditions:

1) You can travel back in time and change things -- but it will change things only for a parallel universe (Star Trek)
2) You can travel back in time, but you can't make changes that alter your present -- because whatever happened, happened (Lost)


Where does Doctor Who fall in that continum?

H27790: ...Not a good film, but a great movie.

When you say that, baby jesus's eyes bleed, he projectile vomits, and he has explosive diarrhea all at once. Shame on you.

bobguy64: Bale's tirade was justified. Walking thru a shot to adjust the lights is freakin' amateur. It's like unplugging someone's computer while they're using it.



/gonna see TS tomorrow

Haven't seen it---but any human being that would berate an underling with such enthusiasm for that long deserves to be viewed as a complete assbag and someone to whom I'd rather not give my hard earned shekels.

Remember, nobody gets caught the first time. This was just the first time it was caught on tape.

Why this movie sucked:

2 words -- Michael Ironsides

//nuff said

Xenomech: To the people commenting on the lack of lasers and the fact that Reese called the T-800s "new" in T1: don't forget that this is in a timeline that was altered by the actions of the people/robots sent back in time in the previous three movies. Events just unfolded differently than the aforementioned time-travellers originally experienced.


So the new Star Trek and Terminator are the bright new future of "Well... that's because it was an alternate universe!"

Yay.

Marla Singer's Laundry: hitlersbrain: Marla Singer's Laundry: hitlersbrain: ('No country for old men'?!!!).

The good news is, I've discovered your problem...

I don't like over hyped, star studded, arty trash posing as an actual movie? I don't see that as a problem.

Well, you're an 18 year-old boy. Of course you love shiny trucks and titties. However, you're an idiot.

Excuse me while I roll my eyes.

MorePeasPlease: So the new Star Trek and Terminator are the bright new future of "Well... that's because it was an alternate universe!"

Terminator doesn't even claim alternate universes. After T1, any semblance of "sense" from time travel was thrown out the window.

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: the money is in the banana stand: I like bright shiny stuff, explosions, ninjas, blood, etc. guy stuff, but felt Terminator 4 was totally lacking that. It really didn't have any appeal and the action scenes were lackluster. No big fire fights, just bland.

WTF??? What about the single-shot scene where John jumps in the helicopter, the nuke goes off and throws the Huey into a spin, he crashes, and gets attacked by the crippled T-800? Or the street scene with the T-600? Or the A-10 attack/retreat? Or Marcus' escape from the base? Or the motorcycle chase scene?

The action scenes were amazing. It's the one thing I haven't seen anyone complain about in regards to this film (until now).

The nuke going off was cool. The crippled robot thing blah lame. Thing crawls no real combat just a bunch of scurrying. Street scene was stupid. The thing is stupid they crush a robot, not very intense. Marcus's escape wtf, the fights were awful. Punching and people sliding nothing special. Motorcycle chase scene was dull. Cged robots chasing a cged truck. Boring action. If you want to see a car chase, watch Ronin.

If ah-nold isn't the main character, it's not really a terminator movie.

They've all sucked goat balls since #3 onward.

matto22: Ixly: I can confirm that the movie was weak. But then, the whole premise of the terminator movies is weak. I can think of at least a dozen more efficient ways to kill off humanity than human-shaped robots.

I have not seen T4, but I've always laughed how big 'ole Arnie was some how an "infiltration model".
If the T700 looked like Woody Allen the machine would have won by now.

Arnold was originally considered for the role of Reese and Michael Bein for the Terminator. Cameron's original idea for the Terminator robot was to be more normalsize and fit in. They kind of reverted to this idea in T2 having Arnold as the hero and the newer T1000 a normal size person

corporate mustache: It was a plot made of holes. Truly awful. Can anyone explain where Sam Worthington went for 15 years?

Was he time-ported from the past?

At the beginning when he's walking through the desert he asked what year it was, I kind of took this as him being time-ported. And we also never see how he got his clothing -- and I kind of assumed he killed a resistance fighter to take his clothing (since terminators time-port in naked) which was part of the "second chance"/"redemption" theme Marcus Wright had going for him, since not only was he a murderer in the past, but he was also a murderer in the future.

I mean, that's what I took away from it. I could have just let my imagination get the better of me or had a stroke in between the screaming and explosions.

computerkurt, you're really using IMDB as a source to prove this movie's superiority? This is the same site who's users have a shiatty movie like "Fast & Furious" rated a 10 by 20% of the voters.

Are you saying that 30% of the population who saw this movie are rating "Terminator: Salvation" to be on par with the greatest movies ever made? Because that is what a "10" would mean, wouldn't it?

Or maybe it's just a bunch of morons hypnotized by the pretty explosions who are unable to remember the movie they saw the previous week and think the very last movie they saw is the "greatest movie ever."

I thought this movie was actually WORSE than the third one.

And believe me. I'm all for going into a movie and turning off my brain to enjoy an action flick, but I just couldn't do it this time. There were just too many retarded moments that I just popped out of the cardiac haze caused by the butter-flavored grease slathered all over my $10 tub of popcorn.

Are people still on the Bale screamin' thing?

The movie looks cool as shiat, but the story sucks ass. And it's nice when a movie looks cool, but if the story is stupid, that kinda ruins everything else.

And yeah, the "fight" scenes were lame. The plot about the Terminator that believes it's human... unnecessary. They farked it up, McG and his partners in crime.

I try not to take movies too seriously, but this was disappointing, esp. since I paid $9.50 to see it. At least now I know not to waste money buying the DVD. The third Terminator movie was better. Which is a damn shame.

The_one_with_that_guy: Spoiler Spoiler: The original ending prior to the one you described was that skynet knew that humans were going to go extinct in the future so they were harvesting humans to enhance so that they would survive, hence the name Terminator Salvation. Let that one rattle around in your head for a while. Read the link below, they do a good job of explaining it and even point out the parts of the movie that weren't completely re-written that tie into that original ending.

Problem was that original script WOULD have been a true raping of all things Terminator. A climactic chase scene through a Club Med style resort? A pursuing Terminator dying by falling in a f*cking swimming pool? Is that Terminator or Weekend at Bernie's?

Fark that sh*t. They changed it for the better.

If I were Bale I'd have been afraid someone might hurt my pretty face if I were yelling at them like that.

Rhymenocerus: Pengfish: dreadprophet: bobguy64:

Hey, I liked The Spirit. Because it was so absurdly awful that I couldn't stop laughing. It's a bad movie, but I enjoyed it anyways. For all the wrong reasons.

Then you enjoyed it for the right reasons. The Spirit is intentionally campy and absolutely wonderful.

I get that Miller is great with visuals. But it was so boring and retarded to me. I guess if it's just straight camp, then I have absolutely no ability to appreciate camp.


Camp is my bread and farce is my butter. Or is farce my bread and camp my butter? Camp and farce are my various breads and various butters.