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(Telegraph)   "Terminator: Salvation" director claims responsibility for Bale's tirade. It's as if they think the leaked audio has something to do with the movie bombing and not because it's an unsatisfying piece of garbage   (telegraph.co.uk ) divider line
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2009-05-28 03:12:59 PM  
I saw it yesterday, going to go see it again with my wife here in the next few days. I loved it.

Seems the popular thing these days is to bash on fun movies. It's not going to win a best actor Oscar (although Sam Worthington was pretty good), but jesus, people... not every movie is going to be The Godfather. This one does it's job just fine.


Oh, the whole "she a veterinarian" thing? Basic biology is basic biology, basic surgical theory is basic surgical theory. After 14 years, I'm guessing she would have piled up enough on-the-job training to make do.
 
2009-05-28 03:13:41 PM  

elchip: Treygreen13: I heard from a few people that it's actually not a bad movie. I'm not going to see it, but can anyone confirm/deny?

Car_Ramrod: I really wanted this to be a good movie, but reviews haven't been promising. First hand accounts?

I saw it. I found it enjoyable.

The good:
1) I thought the primary cast -- Bale, Worthington, Yeltchin -- did a sufficient job.
2) Bryce Dallas Howard looks farking cute as all hell.
3) Decent action.
4) I personally kind of liked the plot twist.



Just going to ignore the bad, since I could add on a bunch of little things. But as for the list of good: Worthington and Yeltchin were good. Bale was not. All he did was growl and look uninteresting. They never really said why Connor deserved all the respect he had, and they certainly never showed him doing anything to earn it.

2. Bryce was hella cute...but only around for like 6 seconds.

3. With a $200 million budget, "decent" shouldn't cut it for the action. Especially when it's always entirely flawed (see: where the hell is my EMP?)

4. I liked it, and its source...but the fact that I saw it coming from the first 5 minutes of the film, and spend the next hour and a half waiting for it to drop like a coconut on everyone's head was not enjoyable.
 
2009-05-28 03:13:55 PM  
I watched them all recently, and none of them stand the test of time.

The first one was okay...

The second was great at the time, only because of the cool new CG special effects. The acting really sucked.

The third one, I barely remember.

The fourth was pretty good, but also will not stand the test of time.
 
2009-05-28 03:14:17 PM  
This movie's a drinking game at best.

Everytime you see an element/scene/throwback to T2, take a drink. If it's a direct quotation, take a shot of everclear.

/movie's bad
//tired of movie sequels/prequels where they're deemed "great" based solely on the fact that you can understand them without seeing the previous films.
 
2009-05-28 03:14:35 PM  

sboyle1020:
This...I appreciated the darker nature they brought back from the first movie, but it was lacking. Definitely an on demand rental...


Even in the future, it never changes:

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2009-05-28 03:14:36 PM  
darwinwench:
//that didn't make sense though because if you're paying for it, why would you want a meaty one?

Some of us like that.
 
2009-05-28 03:14:59 PM  
I said this in another thread, but my biggest problem with it was that it didn't have to be made. It didn't move the story forward. Basically, it was a prequel. Everything that occurred was before the events that spawned the first movie. What was the point?
 
2009-05-28 03:15:11 PM  

The_one_with_that_guy: The more time that's passed since I've seen it, the more I just didn't like what they did with the story.


On a related note, when I saw Star Trek I felt violated at what JJ Abrams did to the universe.

But the more time that's passed since I've seen it, the more I get over it and want to see it again.
 
qux
2009-05-28 03:15:29 PM  
Baelz 4. The whole "Don't bomb Skynet cause I am growling, and I might cry if you don't do as I say" crap made me want to throw my popcorn at the screen. At this point they had already set up John Conner as a nobody, and some general dude was calling all the shots. So why the hell would all the commanders in all the outlying bases simply abandon the chain of command cause this dude is on the radio saying so.... It made my head asplode.

THIS.

My head actually did asplode. I felt bad leaving pulpy brain matter spattered everywhere for the ushers to clean up.

Spoiler: The best part of the movie is the 30 seconds with the CGI Arnold Schwarzenegger.
 
2009-05-28 03:16:16 PM  
Saw it at a midnight showing because a friend was asking around the office and I agreed, but he bought the tickets before I came to my senses.

The movie was awful. Do not see it in theaters.

Pros:
- Very shiny and pretty explosions

Cons:
- Abyssal acting
- No character development
- Major twist spoiled by trailers
- Plot holes big enough to drive a Hunter/Killer through
- 180-degree mood swings (killing one second, lovey-dovey the next)
- Machines start out as a credible threat but by the end they're a joke
 
2009-05-28 03:16:22 PM  
***Spoiler Question***

Why did they include anything about 'the shutoff signal' if is really had nothing to do with the movie. Preparing for the sequel?
 
2009-05-28 03:17:31 PM  

coinspinner: Just going to ignore the bad, since I could add on a bunch of little things. But as for the list of good: Worthington and Yeltchin were good. Bale was not. All he did was growl and look uninteresting.


Isn't that what he did in Batman to much critical acclaim?

They never really said why Connor deserved all the respect he had, and they certainly never showed him doing anything to earn it.

He second-guessed the leaders and ended up being right, thus saving the resistance, he saved a bunch of prisoners and blew up a Skynet facility.

4. I liked it, and its source...but the fact that I saw it coming from the first 5 minutes of the film, and spend the next hour and a half waiting for it to drop like a coconut on everyone's head was not enjoyable.

Either we're talking about a different twist, or I'm particularly dense in that I didn't see it coming.

I was referring to what happens to the submarine at the end.
 
2009-05-28 03:17:41 PM  

Ixly: I can confirm that the movie was weak. But then, the whole premise of the terminator movies is weak. I can think of at least a dozen more efficient ways to kill off humanity than human-shaped robots.


why do people like you even watch movies? Go do something that doesnt take imagination to enjoy.
 
2009-05-28 03:18:08 PM  
Wait... Terminator: Salvation has been released? Well, damn. TMYK
 
2009-05-28 03:18:22 PM  
There are a couple places where Bale goes into "gravelly batman voice" instead of "gravelly John Connor voice" to the extent that I thought the script must have said
 
2009-05-28 03:18:28 PM  
Better than Wolverine
Better than Angels and Demons
Worse than Star Trek

Worth seeing at a matinee. Worth seeing once in theaters and maybe renting once or twice.

Star Trek worth seeing at least two times in theaters and buying when it comes out.

/My 2 cents u can haz them.
 
2009-05-28 03:18:41 PM  

MrSteve007: Why did they include anything about 'the shutoff signal' if is really had nothing to do with the movie. Preparing for the sequel?


***spoiler***

The signal had a lot to do with the movie. It was a trap set by Skynet. When the submarine broadcast it, it let the machines hone in on them and blow up the existing leaders of the resistance, setting the stage for Connor to become the leader.
 
2009-05-28 03:18:58 PM  
[ CONNOR does some VENTRILOQUISM ]
 
2009-05-28 03:19:09 PM  

MrSteve007: ***Spoiler Question***

Why did they include anything about 'the shutoff signal' if is really had nothing to do with the movie. Preparing for the sequel?


The shutoff signal was a red herring* put out by skynet to get the stupid humans to transmit it so it could track the transmission and destroy the humans who were sending the signal (the mobile command sub).

*just like communism.
 
2009-05-28 03:20:10 PM  
They should skip all this Terminator bullshiat and make a movie of Second Variety.
 
2009-05-28 03:20:37 PM  
I actually kinda liked the 3rd one. I'll probably like this one as well.
 
2009-05-28 03:20:44 PM  
also, absolutely terrible casting. connor's wife seemed too frail, and reese looked like a young tarantino. michael beihn would be rolling in his grave were he dead. the best cast member, was moon bloodgood... i couldn't take my eyes off her... rawr.
 
2009-05-28 03:20:46 PM  
This is what happens when you give the guy who directed the music video for Smash Mouth's "Walking on the Sun" the keys to a legendary film franchise.
 
2009-05-28 03:20:55 PM  
I liked it.

But then I always thought T2 was kind of weak and childish.
 
2009-05-28 03:21:32 PM  

DaShredda: darwinwench:
//that didn't make sense though because if you're paying for it, why would you want a meaty one?

Some of us like that.


fair enough.
 
2009-05-28 03:21:54 PM  

mgbeach: a lot of shiate blows up, including the "plot".

Dusty outdoor extemporaneous heart transplants ftl.


My SO works in health care, so this "plot-twist" bothered him the most. Not even going to test their bloodtypes? Really? Wait, do under-cover terminators have bloodtypes? Wow, look at all that dirt... yeah, that's sanitary alright...

One of my (many) issues was the film was fact that although an obviously talented actor (and sexy, sexy piece of manflesh), Worthington's accent was even weirder than Bale's -- which is saying something. He started off with a slight Texan-twang, and then by the end of the film he was calling himself Mahcus Wroight and promising to save Kahyle from the tehminaytors.
 
2009-05-28 03:22:15 PM  
I saw it, I liked it, it satisfied my need to see "more burned out future with terminators", despite apparent holes and peoples complaints about plots: The movie tells you exactly how John Connor rises to power (The guys in the sub blowing), Tells you how he finds Kyle Reese, Shows the origins of the T-800, etc.. I don't know much more I need to know about the story honestly..It's a movie about a robot war. What did you expect? It was better than T3 and more satisfying but not better than T2 (played out) and also not nearly as good as T1.

The real problem is with James Cameron refusing to do any more Aliens or Terminators himself as they should have been done. I mean, it's cool to try new things, but how can you watch your babies be raped like Aliens and Terminator have?
 
2009-05-28 03:22:33 PM  

dragonaut: spleef420: Treygreen13: I heard from a few people that it's actually not a bad movie. I'm not going to see it, but can anyone confirm/deny?

Car_Ramrod: I really wanted this to be a good movie, but reviews haven't been promising. First hand accounts?

you're asking this question on a site known for hating anything and everything.

Well I loved the movie. I have been a huge terminator fan for as long as I can remember, T2 was one of the first movies I ever saw. I thought the movie was waaay better then T3 but not as good as T1 or T2. The new robots were cool too. I usually like christian bale, but I didn't think he was too likeable in this movie. He just used his batman growl most of the time.
Marcus (new character) was awesome and very likeable. Anti-heros are more interesting characters IMO

CGI Arnold's appearence wasn't heavy handed or forced, I think it added a lot to the film despite it being brief.

I would give the movie an 8.5/10 very good will probably buy the dvd.

There were a few little things that bugged me, but nothing that derailed the film or took me out of the excitment.

***SPOILER***
I think they should have used the mini-ray skynet control thing more, especially during the infiltration towards the end.
I also think the original ending would have had more impact even though it would have pissed a lot of people off no doubt. (connor dies, marcus is made to look like him because connor was thought to be too important, cant risk the morale loss, but they didnt use it for the final cut)


Spoiler Spoiler: The original ending prior to the one you described was that skynet knew that humans were going to go extinct in the future so they were harvesting humans to enhance so that they would survive, hence the name Terminator Salvation. Let that one rattle around in your head for a while. Read the link below, they do a good job of explaining it and even point out the parts of the movie that weren't completely re-written that tie into that original ending.

What went wrong with T4 (new window)
 
2009-05-28 03:22:34 PM  

HeWhoHasNoName: I saw it yesterday, going to go see it again with my wife here in the next few days. I loved it.

Seems the popular thing these days is to bash on fun movies. It's not going to win a best actor Oscar (although Sam Worthington was pretty good), but jesus, people... not every movie is going to be The Godfather. This one does it's job just fine.


Oh, the whole "she a veterinarian" thing? Basic biology is basic biology, basic surgical theory is basic surgical theory. After 14 years, I'm guessing she would have piled up enough on-the-job training to make do.


No they just don't know how to make a farking decent movie anymore. Everything is bland they crank out. I have seen MAYBE 2 movies whose CG was better than using costumes and robots. I LOVE just "fun" movies and violent movies. I like Troma B movies even. I don't care about plot much, but the stuff they turn out now is beyond bad. The same pretty much goes for music now, but that is for a different discussion.

Art as a whole has lost its identity. There does not exist avant garde art, and kitsch art (your fun movies) has degenerated into meaning sub par quality trying to pass off as art. As far as I am concerned, we broke out of the 80s finally and were on a positive route then come around mid to late 90s we stopped producing pretty much anything of quality in favor of some middle-of-the road "mass appeal" crap.
 
2009-05-28 03:22:42 PM  

bberg: - Machines start out as a credible threat but by the end they're a joke


This is what bugged me most. Remember the first movie? Who didn't get chills at Reese's "that's what he does, that's all he does" speech? The Terminator was an unstoppable nightmare. The T-800 in the fourth movie goes a bit of the way back to making it an impressive foe, but only after we've seen battlefields littered with earlier Terminators, with humans picking them off right and left. And not even with the lasers we saw in the flash-forward sequences in the first two films! Where are my lasers? If Skynet isn't even on schedule to develop lasers, how can they possibly hope to meet the deadline for time travel? Apparently they were too busy working on silly-looking giant Terminators which somehow end up being less scary than a naked Austrian?
 
2009-05-28 03:23:03 PM  
Apparently, all it takes to please a number of farkers is good CGI, because even the folks who liked it are saying there are huge problems with the plot -- almost like they are making excuses for the movie in an effort to convince themselves they liked it.
 
2009-05-28 03:23:24 PM  

Tainted1: Car_Ramrod: I really wanted this to be a good movie, but reviews haven't been promising. First hand accounts?

I saw it and thought it was pretty good, I think the complainers were just expecting some sort of epic battle sans lord of the rings to take place.


I don't think sans means what you think it means.
 
2009-05-28 03:24:26 PM  
DIAF, McG, DIAF!
 
qux
2009-05-28 03:24:44 PM  
Sam Worthington was great. Anton Yelchin was pretty close, but kind of got lost in the shuffle/awful script.

Yeah, they were good. Worthington especially upstaged Bale. I think this movie's utter fail can be squarely blamed on Christian Bale's John Connor combined with a horrible script.
 
2009-05-28 03:24:44 PM  
I liked the majority of it. It wasn't cut together well and the story was pretty terrible, acting wasn't really the problem.
 
2009-05-28 03:25:01 PM  

Jammybee: They should skip all this Terminator bullshiat and make a movie of Second Variety.


There's a cheesy version with Peter Weller (of Robocop fame) called "Screamers."
 
2009-05-28 03:25:11 PM  

Jammybee: They should skip all this Terminator bullshiat and make a movie of Second Variety.


They did. Sort of. (new window)
 
2009-05-28 03:25:33 PM  

MonkeyAngst: Apparently they were too busy working on silly-looking giant Terminators which somehow end up being less scary than a naked Austrian?


They were T-600s. They were inferior.

Sgt Otter: But then again, it doesn't make sense that the T-800 "Arnold model" would be already online in T:S, when a much older Kyle Reese calls them "new" in T1.


I'm inclined to say "Maybe they blew up everything about the T-800 when they blew up the Skynet facility towards the end, thus delaying its development" but you'd think a "global network" would be smart enough to make backups or multiple manufacturing facilities.
 
2009-05-28 03:26:36 PM  
A really great actor should be able to walk in and convince you that they are real and the situation is real.
Even if it takes 60 takes because everyone on the crew is careless and stupid, they should be able to do the scene professionally, flawlessly, believably.
That's why great actors are so rare.
Bogart wouldn't have cursed someone out on a set.
It's bad for everyone when any professional throws a tantrum.
 
2009-05-28 03:26:55 PM  

Jammybee: They should skip all this Terminator bullshiat and make a movie of Second Variety.


They already did. It was called Screamers. And it's better than T4.
 
2009-05-28 03:27:34 PM  
Why would a computer create an avatar to brag about its plans? WTF
 
2009-05-28 03:29:13 PM  

Xenomech: A question for those who have seen the movie: How much will someone who is not expecting Citizen Kane and just wants to see robots shooting shiat up enjoy this movie?


Less than if the movie was only robots shooting up shiat.

For your sake, after the heroes all get into the helicopter and the big Skynet site blows up...

LEAVE THE THEATRE IMMEDIATELY.

 
2009-05-28 03:29:15 PM  

DangerDoom: Apparently, all it takes to please a number of farkers is good CGI, because even the folks who liked it are saying there are huge problems with the plot -- almost like they are making excuses for the movie in an effort to convince themselves they liked it.


Probably, but you knew what I meant.
 
2009-05-28 03:29:19 PM  

COMING SOON:


TERMINATOR V:

blogcdn.webridestv.com
ARE YOU GOING TO EAT THOSE FRIES?

 
2009-05-28 03:29:34 PM  
Damn you, Sgt Otter! TEN farkING SECONDS!

lol
 
2009-05-28 03:30:20 PM  

computerkurt: Next time, make sure people agree with you before you state your opinion as fact.


It got terrible reviews, Fanboy. (new window) Sorry, your favorite silly new movie sucks.
 
2009-05-28 03:30:33 PM  

CaesarSneezy: Why would a computer create an avatar to brag about its plans? WTF


It's like Locutus of Borg, y'know, put a familiar face in the forefront of your marketing campaign.
 
2009-05-28 03:31:21 PM  
The film was soulless, lacking depth or intrigue. I grew up watching and loving T1 & T2. I can go back and watch them again and rediscover concepts, dialogue and emotions that were too complex to understand as a kid.

Kids will love the action, just like the first 2. But don't expect a thought provoking plot. This film is as comlex as a 3 minute MTV video (which no-talent McG should stick to)
 
2009-05-28 03:31:48 PM  

elchip: coinspinner: Just going to ignore the bad, since I could add on a bunch of little things. But as for the list of good: Worthington and Yeltchin were good. Bale was not. All he did was growl and look uninteresting.

Isn't that what he did in Batman to much critical acclaim?


When he was in the suit - but everyone had the ridiculous voice. He brought the acclaim for being a credible Wayne that would be able to be Batman.

They never really said why Connor deserved all the respect he had, and they certainly never showed him doing anything to earn it.

He second-guessed the leaders and ended up being right, thus saving the resistance, he saved a bunch of prisoners and blew up a Skynet facility.

He did that after he was supposedly respected. That will see him becoming the leader of the Resistance. But in this movie, he never did anything that showed he was worth the respect his people gave him. If anything, it showed he can't keep his people in line (Moon Bloodgood).

4. I liked it, and its source...but the fact that I saw it coming from the first 5 minutes of the film, and spend the next hour and a half waiting for it to drop like a coconut on everyone's head was not enjoyable.

Either we're talking about a different twist, or I'm particularly dense in that I didn't see it coming.

I was referring to what happens to the submarine at the end.

Ok, we were on different pages. I didn't know exactly how that was going to happen, but I knew that it would. But the twist was pretty good, I'll give you that.

Not sure why I'm really arguing about this. Bored, I guess.
 
2009-05-28 03:32:07 PM  
I thought it was a pretty kick ass action movie. I read a lot of negative reviews before seeing it and I'm glad I did not pay them heed. It was the same story with the 'Wolverine' movie. From now on I will see any movie 'Rotten Tomatoes' critics DON'T like and avoid the ones they rave about ('No country for old men'?!!!).
 
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