In case nobody has posted it yet:

Nate Silver

A little analysis does wonders for the warrrrrrgle.

Syphilis_Smile: If the implications made in this article are true, i would not be surprised..

And if cows could fly, convertibles would be less popular.

It may have something to do with the clear coat charge.

My 5 year old gets 5 "time-outs" a week. Meaning, if he's naughty, picks on the cats, doesn't listen, etc... he gets a "time out." Five minutes on the stairs.

See, 5-year olds should misbehave from time to time, it's normal. Healthy. But there should be consequences. Rules are rules, he's got to learn acceptable behavior, and we'd be remiss for not "punishing," even if it's just 5 minutes sitting on the stairs.

But after 5 such events in a week comes the "serious" punishments -- No TV for the weekend, favorite toy removal, play date or museum trip cancellation -- something that, in preschooler time seems unbearably harsh and unfair, wah wah.

Conversely, we try not to reward basic good behavior, since that should be the norm, and we try to model good actions being their own reward. But sometimes he can earn credits with something extraordinary... there's no policy, we know it when we see it. Cleaning a room without being asked... helping a friend from Korea with her words... etc.

In 10 months of doing this this way, we've only hit the magic 5 once.

My point is this: we should apply something similar to media linked on Fark and elsewhere. It's OK for a site to be partisan, and it's okay for a partisan site to overreach sometimes.

But accusations like this -- Obama is closing GOP-donating dealers only! -- when a) there is a formula to the closings that can be verified and b) there is a percentage of donations between dealers and party donations that matches the closure rate -- are extra bad.

If they used the situation to show that dealers know who the better candidate was, that's fine, if they wanted to say this will lose Democrats the car dealer vote forevermore, great. But do go that far with such a criminal investigation, to couch cherrypicking in the classic passive "evidence is mounting..." frame, and then to be so very wrong... well, there should be some kind of consequence for that, too.

World Net Daily is fine being partisan, and if they or others really had uncovered something major in this, I'd be more forgiving for the mistakes. But after a while, even if you agree with Drudge, WND, O'Reilly -- or Kos or Olbermann most of the time, shouldn't these total BS fests make you look elsewhere? Shouldn't there be consequences in terms of readership (or Fark linksmanship) for repeatedly pushing false stories (or misleading headlines?)

Just some thoughts.

Syphilis_Smile: Ahh Democrats, ruining the business careers of Republicans since the 1880's. The NJ Democratic Governor, Leon Abbett, committed vast voter fraud in Hudson County to get elected. His opponent that year funded a large investigation of the crime, and did serious damage to the Dems' reputation in the state.


In response? Abbett had his son (whom he had appointed as Attorney General) to keep an eye on his rival, and to bring cases against him whereever possible. Some hippie artist was trying to sue the General in a NYC court, so Abbett got it brought in Jersey, where the Genl couldn't laugh it off.


The public attempts by teh Dems to detroy their GOP rivals is often accompanied by behind the scenes actions. Within a decade Abbett's rival was broke, and had to have Woodrow Wilson put up money on his estate to keep from being homeless..

//Reading all that had always just taught me that politics can be a rather nasty business. If the implications made in this article are true, i would not be surprised..

But if you had read the thread, you'd know it's bullshiat. And yeah, politics is nasty always has been. I just wish I could find an example of Republicans doing something nasty, like, I dunno, breaking into the Democrats offices or whatever. That would be sweet.

Phil Herup: HighOnCraic: I'll bite. How many Bigfoot stories have you seen on MSNBC?

/Seriously, they could be running a lot of Bigfoot stories that I hadn't heard about, so if you tell me that MSNBC runs the same number of Bigfoot stories as WorldNetDaily, I'll take your word for it.



I pulled this one directly from MSNBC's site. There are plenty.

(Sighs) I don't know why I bother with you.

/You could've at least added something like "Goony goo goo!" An old Eddie Murphy reference would've given your post a shot at being funny, or at least retro.

Syphilis_Smile: //Reading all that had always just taught me that politics can be a rather nasty business. If the implications made in this article are true, i would not be surprised..

Not only are the implications in the article not true, they are incredibly stupid. Anyone with even a grade school education should be able to point out the flaws in the argument. The biggest flaw is that the president has no say over what dealerships are closed. The decision is entirely up to Chrysler and the bankruptcy court.

lettuce99: Shouldn't there be consequences in terms of readership (or Fark linksmanship) for repeatedly pushing false stories (or misleading headlines?)

Just some thoughts.

It's not news, it's FARK.com. They do this because it generates flamewars, which means hits, which generates ad revenue. Despite Drew's mockery of the media's excesses, he's in this for the money, not the pursuit of truth. It's an enterainment site, nothing more.

ghare: I just wish I could find an example of Republicans doing something nasty, like, I dunno, breaking into the Democrats offices or whatever.

Surely whoever did that would be a crook, and there are no crooks in the GOP!

Chrysler is going to be going thorough a big change due to the Fiat buyout. It is going in a new direction to smaller cars. We don't know the corporate criteria, but if say they were working with Fiat, I bet the dealer relationship liasons had some opinions based on the new criteria.

Show me how this works with a few tables controlling for Republican vs. Democratic contributors, and closed vs. left open. Personal stories don't cut it.

Sounds like throwing shiat at the wall and seeing what sticks. And could Cavuto is a hack?

Check out the Fiat website:
http://www.fiat.com/cgi-bin/pbrand.dll/FIAT_COM/home.jsp

FlashHarry: best comment from the examiner article:

POSTED May 28, 2009
Smokehouse: "The media is as corrupt as the black Kenyan. The founders put them "

Has anyone ever used the phrase "The founders" and not not been a kook? It seems unlikely.

Cowl Hire:
Has anyone ever used the phrase "The founders" and not not been a kook? It seems unlikely.

But with the word "not" only in their once, among other things.

/I previewed, I just suck.

HighOnCraic: You could've at least added something like "Goony goo goo!" An old Eddie Murphy reference would've given your post a shot at being funny, or at least retro.



I actually thought about that, then decided not to overload the post.

Enemabag Jones: Check out the Fiat website:



Yeah... we are getting the FIAT 500 finally.

I want a 500 Abarth





We will also be getting Alfa Romeos again, which is great.

Alfa Romeo MiTo

Phil Herup: HighOnCraic: You could've at least added something like "Goony goo goo!" An old Eddie Murphy reference would've given your post a shot at being funny, or at least retro.



I actually thought about that, then decided not to overload the post.


C'mon, man, put some effort into your idiocy! Otherwise, you're not entertaining!

/You're probably too lazy, shiftless, jittery from all the crack, and drunk on malt liquor.
//No wait, that's me. Nevermind.

It's like the right has turned into a political version of the Lord of the Flies. Where did all of the adults go? This is so freakin' stupid, I'm starting to think that WND is a Democratic psy-ops organization.

Dear far-right: While it may feel good to see your lunatic fringe frothing at the mouth and getting in people's faces with this kind of insane nonsense, it just makes the average person sympathetic to the people you're targeting.

Don't care...not a dealer or a business owner, so if Obamanation wants to make decisions affecting the U.S. car manufactuers, go ahead. I'd never buy a car from the UAW anyway.

/can see '1984' coming, glad I'll be expat or dead soon

You guys are crazy. The fine people in our government would never do such a thing!

Phil Herup
I pulled this one directly from MSNBC's site. There are plenty.

That was just about the greatest post I've ever seen.

MFL: Phil Herup
I pulled this one directly from MSNBC's site. There are plenty.

That was just about the greatest post I've ever seen.

And you two are just about the biggest jackoffs I've seen today, so the fact that you find him humorous is pretty typical, all things considered.

When do you guys go full Thunderpipes and start calling her a gorilla? It's OK, I have snacks, I can wait if you need to get wound up first or something.

MFL: Phil Herup
I pulled this one directly from MSNBC's site. There are plenty.

That was just about the greatest post I've ever seen.

Stay classy you two. Even better I think you should go after the Obama's kids, America is really waiting for some pathetic neckbeards to put those two in their place.

Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: MFL: Phil Herup
I pulled this one directly from MSNBC's site. There are plenty.

That was just about the greatest post I've ever seen.

And you two are just about the biggest jackoffs I've seen today, so the fact that you find him humorous is pretty typical, all things considered.

When do you guys go full Thunderpipes and start calling her a gorilla? It's OK, I have snacks, I can wait if you need to get wound up first or something.

Phil called her a "raging silverback" right before I put him on ignore. He dips down to the bottom of the barrel when his regular shtick isn't getting him enough replies.

But seriously,



It's not nice to pick on the mentally challenged.

Tor_Eckman: Phil called her a "raging silverback" right before I put him on ignore.

Niiiiiiiiiiiiice.

They always get around to the racism eventually, you just have to be patient.

amiable: MFL: Phil Herup
I pulled this one directly from MSNBC's site. There are plenty.

That was just about the greatest post I've ever seen.

Stay classy you two. Even better I think you should go after the Obama's kids, America is really waiting for some pathetic neckbeards to put those two in their place.

Same girl. You know it is.

When all else fails, pretend to get offended.

MFL: When all else fails, pretend to get offended.

When all else fails, refer to a lame joke (comparing Michelle Obama to Bigfoot) as the best post you've ever seen, then pretend to be above it all when people point out how stupid you are. Stay classy!

BravadoGT
WND explained their method by which they came to results, where they got the source info, and what the results were. All I'm saying is if these "WND! Oh, it must be all crap!" people want to be taken seriously, they should come to the table with a bit more that that. Are their numbers wrong? Great. Show us. Is it really comparable for the remaining ones? Great--show us. But just to do a drive-by on WND and shoot the messenger--that's pretty lame...

WND has a well deserved reputation for publishing unsubstantiated bullshiat day in and day out. They're a "source" that most of us consider not worth the effort to debunk anymore because they have no credibility whatsoever. Yet as many have pointed out in this thread, Nate Silver went ahead and debunked this claim anyway. Yes, once again, the asshats at WND are full of shiat.

patrick767: BravadoGT


Do. Not. Feed. The. Trolls.

lets do a short list of the link sources fit to be ignored:

world net daily
daily kos
fox news
nro
msnbc (to a lesser extent)
and...

you know what? Fark this bullshiat, just use 538.

/nate should run the news.

HighOnCraic: MFL: When all else fails, pretend to get offended.

When all else fails, refer to a lame joke (comparing Michelle Obama to Bigfoot) as the best post you've ever seen, then pretend to be above it all when people point out how stupid you are. Stay classy!


Please, that was not lame, it was just an easy lay-up that you provided.

You made it possible. I mean really? If you had not said Bigfoot like 4 times in one thread, because you were so enraged over World Nut Daily it never would have happened.

Thanks for making it possible.


I am so very used to the faux outrage from you liberal fools, especially Tor "I Love Pelosi" Eckman


You all laughed for years calling Bush a chimp, and Laura "The Joker". Go fark yourselves hypocrites.

ghare: Do. Not. Feed. The. Trolls.



You got your ass handed to you yesterday for saying the same thing. It was funny.


Your stupid is incurable. Good luck with that.

I just went to fivethirtyeight who did a nice job on explaining the political contributions of car dealers, auto dealers and other car deales in the entire US.

It has a healthy 88% Republican 12% democrat split.

now can we please grow up and focus on the issues at hand instead of stupid bullshiat.

I really like some conservative principles. It pains me to see the "leaders" of that party absolutely destroy any semblance of representation for those ideals.

Phil Herup: HighOnCraic: MFL: When all else fails, pretend to get offended.

When all else fails, refer to a lame joke (comparing Michelle Obama to Bigfoot) as the best post you've ever seen, then pretend to be above it all when people point out how stupid you are. Stay classy!


Please, that was not lame, it was just an easy lay-up that you provided.

You made it possible. I mean really? If you had not said Bigfoot like 4 times in one thread, because you were so enraged over World Nut Daily it never would have happened.

Thanks for making it possible.
I am so very used to the faux outrage from you liberal fools, especially Tor "I Love Pelosi" Eckman


You all laughed for years calling Bush a chimp, and Laura "The Joker". Go fark yourselves hypocrites.

Dude, wtf? I wasn't outraged, I laughed along with you, and even followed up with a self-deprecating joke about drinking malt liquor. I like laughing at WND articles--I've even got a few greenlit links making fun of them.

I think you're the one that's still so pissed off about the chimp jokes that you're eager to get revenge. So part of me is laughing WITH you, and part of me is laughing AT you.

/Easy lay-up? Man, if you came into the lane, I'd swat your game back into the cheap seats.
//And yo mama's so fat that . . . Oh, never mind. Have a nice day!

how much did the dealers who werent closed donate to obama?

Cubansaltyballs: not complaining their business failed.

Did you RTFA? Many of these businesses did NOT fail. Their sales are among the highest of Chrysler's dealerships. Granted, the majority of the dealers in the control group are Republicans anyhow, but why shut down successful Republican owned dealerships, while keeping open less successful Democrat owned dealerships?

Odd.

HighOnCraic: Dude, wtf? I wasn't outraged, I laughed along with you, and even followed up with a self-deprecating joke about drinking malt liquor. I like laughing at WND articles--I've even got a few greenlit links making fun of them.


You're absolutely right.

Mostly I just wanted someone to quote it so Tor_Eckman could read it.


HighOnCraic: /And yo mama's so fat that . . . she walked by the TV and I missed three episodes.

ghare: But if you had read the thread, you'd know it's bullshiat. And yeah, politics is nasty always has been. I just wish I could find an example of Republicans doing something nasty, like, I dunno, breaking into the Democrats offices or whatever. That would be sweet.


Heh it's hard to find time to read through these threads during the workweek. The lack of surprise would follow both ways really, as i was just examining the article in the context of a historical example. That's why i tend to follow the example of the military men, for Abbett's rival was certainly up to Vinegar Joe's level of candor. By 1899 he was quoted in the Washington Post as being in favor of granting suffrage to women, as their vote would "purify" politics, and started to call the GOP out as a bunch of farktards. Hence the friendship with Wilson, and the fact that the dood ran on the Democratic ticket for Senate in 1911. Hell, i'm sure you can tell im a republican, but following this dood's example i could have easily gone for the hildabeast, given the douchebaggery of the christians ;)


FlashHarry: ah... remember when the republicans were the good guys? lincoln? TR? eisenhower? how sad it is that the roles are reversed and the once-proud party of liberty and freedom is now a party of hysterical tyranny and corporate avarice.

I think the historical moral that is doomed to repeat itself over and over (judging from the few times ive managed to stomach an entire fark thread) is that both parties are susceptible to human avarice and stupidity. If the claims are debunked, then so much the better.. Lol

HighOnCraic: Phil Herup: HighOnCraic: MFL: When all else fails, pretend to get offended.

When all else fails, refer to a lame joke (comparing Michelle Obama to Bigfoot) as the best post you've ever seen, then pretend to be above it all when people point out how stupid you are. Stay classy!


Please, that was not lame, it was just an easy lay-up that you provided.

You made it possible. I mean really? If you had not said Bigfoot like 4 times in one thread, because you were so enraged over World Nut Daily it never would have happened.

Thanks for making it possible.
I am so very used to the faux outrage from you liberal fools, especially Tor "I Love Pelosi" Eckman


You all laughed for years calling Bush a chimp, and Laura "The Joker". Go fark yourselves hypocrites.

Dude, wtf? I wasn't outraged, I laughed along with you, and even followed up with a self-deprecating joke about drinking malt liquor. I like laughing at WND articles--I've even got a few greenlit links making fun of them.

I think you're the one that's still so pissed off about the chimp jokes that you're eager to get revenge. So part of me is laughing WITH you, and part of me is laughing AT you.

/Easy lay-up? Man, if you came into the lane, I'd swat your game back into the cheap seats.
//And yo mama's so fat that . . . Oh, never mind. Have a nice day!

He's a 12 year old (or does his best imitation of one). Don't be so hard on him. He's a joke account.

MFL: When all else fails, pretend to get offended.

Oh, no, don't stop on any account!

Go on with your bad selves, tell us all how you really feel. Crack a few jokes about how black and angry she is.

Don't let me down here, guys, I'm expecting lulz and you lolcows are going to provide it.

ZER0T0THEC0RE: how much did the dealers who werent closed donate to obama?

A trillion dollars and a Koran.

Occam's Nailfile: Cubansaltyballs: not complaining their business failed.

Did you RTFA? Many of these businesses did NOT fail. Their sales are among the highest of Chrysler's dealerships. Granted, the majority of the dealers in the control group are Republicans anyhow, but why shut down successful Republican owned dealerships, while keeping open less successful Democrat owned dealerships?

Odd.

Did you RTFT? This whole argument is really stupid.