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(Some Guy)   Pootie Poot to Bush : We will keep the Internation space station flying   (hinduonnet.com) divider line 55
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2003-02-15 02:27:26 AM
Well, they shouldn't have to suspend their program just because we had a mishap.
 
2003-02-15 02:30:27 AM
lets see here...they help spacestation, so now they help in iraq

...or else what?
 
2003-02-15 02:32:51 AM
GOOD FOR PUTIN!
 
2003-02-15 02:36:18 AM
Absolut non-surprise.
 
2003-02-15 02:37:39 AM
In democratic Russia, they help US
 
2003-02-15 02:37:47 AM
What the fark is bonhomie is this like a Homie of Bon Jovi or?????
 
2003-02-15 02:39:20 AM
my cousin wrecked his car the other day. we should all stop using cars for a while.
 
2003-02-15 02:39:42 AM
It's official then, the shuttle is now no longer needed.

It was beginning to get really silly risking astronauts lives just so NASA could impress some children with 3rd grade science experiments in space.

IF only there was another way to service hubble, then the shuttle could be done away with for good.

Let the russians waste money on keeping a few humans provisioned in orbit so they can continue conducting pointless studies like observing tadpoles farting in zero-g.
 
2003-02-15 02:42:26 AM
Akbarium

I wrecked my car yesterday! You're not some cousin I don't know about, are you?
 
2003-02-15 02:44:29 AM
Everyone needs to stop making terrible jokes, as no one will top Wanney_Girl this day. "Homie of Bon Jovi"? :)

No seriously, I have no idea. I put it into Dictionary.com and it came out with: "Buy Bonhomie Products. We link to merchants which offer Bonhomie products for sale."

Ummm... yeah.
 
2003-02-15 02:45:34 AM
40 billions huh? How many Starvin' Marvins could we feed down here on Earth with 40 billions? I'm sure whatever the hell it is they do up there is more important than feeding people starving to death. It's the government.. they always have mankind's best interests at heart.
 
2003-02-15 02:55:51 AM
how do you attach a pic to a comment.
Sincerely,
an idiot.
 
2003-02-15 02:59:34 AM
Aentrophy
Like this :
< img src=" the picture's url goes here ">


Cook low, then simmer to a slow boil. Enjoy.

 
2003-02-15 03:00:20 AM
thx
 
2003-02-15 03:00:45 AM
Silversowdotcom: Your sensitivity to the plight of the "Starvin' Marvins" humbles me.
 
2003-02-15 03:04:35 AM
Am I the only one that noticed that the headline said "Internation"? Or am I the only asshat/grammar nazi that is going to point it out?



Yeah, the second one. That's what I thought.
 
2003-02-15 01:05:56 PM
Aentropy:

If you poke around the FARq I believe there is a section on the
Photoshop contests. I does a good job of telling th newcomer
about posting photos.
 
2003-02-15 01:10:39 PM
I should casll president bush and tell him that _I'll_ keep the space station flying.

Cause I secretly know that it's in orbit and, regardless of whether I do anyhting or not, it'll stay up there.
 
2003-02-15 01:15:26 PM
This just in: Another country on the Planet Earth has agreed to do something, not to expect the USA to somehow do it, and then criticize them.

Will miracles never cease?
 
2003-02-15 01:20:11 PM
They're broke, they still can't make a good pocket calculator, and they use rivets for everything...AND their space program works better than ours!!
 
2003-02-15 01:41:35 PM
well ill be damned! the russkies came through after all! god bless 'em
 
2003-02-15 01:48:44 PM
to play the smart person, bonhomie is taken from french, something along the lines of good friend, or friendliness: bon homme
 
2003-02-15 01:49:01 PM
Tinkering and a thinkering, I soon discovered the power of the pinwheel, an ancient symbol of worship, which was demented into the atrocious acts of WW2.

It revolves, either collecting energy in one spinning direction, or throwing everything away, spinning in the other direction through centrifugal force.

I know this now, because I was working on a funny looking bicycle wheel, trying to make an anemometer out of it, and saw the reaction of air currents when the blades spin in the right or wrong direction.

This power can be used for peace. It can become an actual and real windmill, that produces free energy from the power of the wind. Just don't paint them black, silly kids, and don't make banners of them.

There are MANY flags under the Stars and Stripes, even quote 'bad' ones. We have the Union Jack, Confederate X, Rising Sun, Maple Leaf, Star of David, too many more to say in this manner. Think Dubya. Think about how many different people you are representing, as you hold the sceptor of destruction in your hands. Think of those squiggly lines of other languages we cannot read, and cultures we still know very little about
 
2003-02-15 01:50:23 PM
Our government needs a new business model.

Here's my suggestion... Stop sending money (foreign aid) to countires like France, Germany, Belgiem and Israel. Spend that money to build new improved space shuttles, better roads and of course free, wireless broadband for all of us. Ok just spend the money for the space program but have a yearly free lotto and give away 2 trips to the moon.
 
2003-02-15 01:51:00 PM
Also, I hereby accept the Nobel Peace Prize, and the X prize for rocket science.
 
2003-02-15 01:53:49 PM
How embarassing. Let the history books note that we were once a great nation.
 
2003-02-15 01:56:16 PM
/flashback to the Russian in the movie Armageddon
 
2003-02-15 01:57:28 PM
Here comes the space-mold! At least the russians were smart enough to actually build space lasers and "space-torpedoes". That's worthwhile in terms of space program expenditures. I wonder if taco bell has another raft ready yet?
 
2003-02-15 02:01:31 PM
Verb8m
This time we do things russian way! For Rodina! There I am great hero, like my uncle, missile technician--he aims big rockets at Atlanta!
 
2003-02-15 02:23:06 PM
It's a sad state of affairs when the NASCAR thread has more comments than this one.
 
2003-02-15 02:32:00 PM
It's great that the russkiys say they're gonna pick up the slack on the ISS for the US.

The problem remains: where's the money to do so gonna come from?? Russia's space program was already barely able to do what was asked of it before Columbia. Some serious funding is needed, or else ISS will go kaputski. European Union, I'm looking in your direction...

Sswift: The space station cannot maintain its orbit by itself. Every time a shuttle or rocket docks with it, it fires its rockets to boost the station's orbit a few miles. Without those boosts, the station's orbit would eventually decay to the point where it falls to earth, Mir-style. The station cannot be abandoned for more than a year and a half before it becomes unsalvageable.
 
2003-02-15 02:38:00 PM
Good show Russia!

Redirect the $$ required from the Space Shuttle and the rest of the ISS partners.
 
2003-02-15 03:34:45 PM
so what do they do in the ISS?
 
2003-02-15 03:55:01 PM
as answered in a previous post:

02-15-03 02:39:42 AM MrNeutron
It's official then, the shuttle is now no longer needed.

It was beginning to get really silly risking astronauts lives just so NASA could impress some children with 3rd grade science experiments in space.

IF only there was another way to service hubble, then the shuttle could be done away with for good.

Let the russians waste money on keeping a few humans provisioned in orbit so they can continue conducting pointless studies like observing tadpoles farting in zero-g.

 
2003-02-15 03:59:48 PM
wow my html tags worked for once.
 
2003-02-15 04:54:29 PM
Silly note: bonhomie is also the name of the mascot of the Quebec Winter Carnival. It translates to good friend.
 
2003-02-15 05:03:31 PM
For the cost of the shuttle program and the ISS, we could send manned missions (yes, plural) to Mars. As cool as tadpole farting is, I think our priorities are farked up.

Mars Direct

I remember reading an article in the WSJ where they insisted that having a space plane that only sent up crew and using unmanned launches for cargo would be "a step backwards." Why? Why do we need people to babysit cargo? No reason; it just makes launching the cargo far more expensive than a disposable rocket would take. They also said a return to capsule technology would keep the space program stuck in the "embryonic stage." Perhaps they forget that we used capsule technology to get to the moon, an accomplishment far greater than any of the shiat we've done recently? Hell, if anything is keeping us in the embryonic stage, it's the shuttle; before the Columbia "mishap," NASA approved a plan to keep the fleet in service until 2020. Yes, because it is obviously a good idea to use 40 year old spacecraft. We replace cars every ten years at absolute worst, but we keep flying ancient spacecraft for 40? Kill the ISS, kill the space shuttle, and use the savings to do manned Mars missions.
 
2003-02-15 05:04:06 PM
I suck at html and life in general, so here's that Mars Direct url: http://www.nw.net/mars/
 
2003-02-15 05:36:23 PM
Ghettokrunktastic No kidding about the Russian space program being broke. I have a friend who *was* with them and went unpaid so long he decided to import tomatos from Turkey to support his family.
 
2003-02-15 05:40:04 PM
Link is farked..
 
2003-02-15 05:57:40 PM
RJames- We replace cars every ten years at absolute worst

I know what you're trying to say here, but it doesn't work. First off, maybe YOU replace your own vehicle within 10 years. A lot of people don't. Heck, the average age of a car on the road today is something like 8 years old. And, there are plenty of 1993 and earlier cars on the road that are perfectly reliable, safe, and still look good. I work in an auto parts store, and today, I quoted a price for someone for a transmission for his 2001 model car with just 45,000 miles (just out of warranty, poor sap) My own car is 11 years old, has 150,000 miles on it, and yet If I was asked, I'd drive it to California tomorrow (I'm in Ohio). My housemate just returned from a trip to New York in his 18- year- old Mazda RX-7. He had no problems at all. How is this done? Proper maintenance. When was the last time you flew in an airplane? in all likelyhood, that plane was at least 15 years old. A majority of small planes flown today are in the range of 20-30 years old. In the Columbia disaster, so far, the vehicle's age hasn't been implicated. At this point, evidence points to a piece of debris puncturing the wing which allowed hot gases to enter the wing. The debris was likely from a rocket booster- those aren't re- used- they are brand spanking new each flight. I agree that perhaps a better design and newer technology would make the space shuttles safer, and THAT is a reason to create a new design. But it's not the age of the shuttle that made it break apart.
On the issue of Mars missions, consider this: if we have trouble with safely getting vehicles back out of orbit, what makes you think that we are ready to go to Mars? Things like the ISS are steps along the way to figuring out how to do so, as well as what we will do when we get there. Humans have had water- based travel for thousands of years. So, why was it only a little over 500 years ago that we figured out that the world is a sphere? Well, aside from religion and natural skepticism, a ship of 1,000 years ago simply wouldn't have been able to make the trip- to small/ unstable/ etc. Even after we started making such long trips, we had to learn to fight disease (scurvy and rickets) and 500 years of shipbuilding still hasn't produced a ship that cannot be sunk.
 
2003-02-15 06:08:10 PM
I'm all for going straight to Mars instead of putzing around in circles. Dr. Zubrin makes an excellent case in his aptly-titled book "The Case for Mars" He's not such a bad speaker, either. If you want to actually know the pros and cons of a mission, read his book! I loved it.
 
2003-02-15 06:36:40 PM

"Damn, Pootie done did it again..."
 
2003-02-15 06:39:03 PM
Damn. If we applied the same logic some people are showing here to our countries expansion, we'd be a pretty damn small country, wouldn't we?
"NO! Don't go west! It's too dangerous! Don't we have enough troubles here in the east? Nothing useful will be found there!"
After all, at least 10% of the people who took the oregon trail died. That's about one grave every 300 yards.
 
2003-02-15 06:41:37 PM
A majority of small planes flown today are in the range of 20-30 years old. In the Columbia disaster, so far, the vehicle's age hasn't been implicated.

I'm not saying it was. I'm saying that extending a spacecraft's lifetime to 40 years, 2020, was a ludicrous idea. A spacecraft is subjected to more stresses than anything else ever made. They should be scrapped more often than cars, not less often.

The debris was likely from a rocket booster- those aren't re- used- they are brand spanking new each flight. I agree that perhaps a better design and newer technology would make the space shuttles safer, and THAT is a reason to create a new design.

There's no reason to make a new design at all until a reusable space vehicle is actually cheaper than disposable rockets.

On the issue of Mars missions, consider this: if we have trouble with safely getting vehicles back out of orbit, what makes you think that we are ready to go to Mars?

Completely different issues. We do not have trouble getting capsules with ablative shields out of orbit. We do have trouble getting a vehicle the size of the statue of liberty out of orbit using a 80's era tiles that aren't allowed to melt away, but instead have to absorb all the heat and remain intact. The Space Shuttle is actually one of the most amazing engineering feats ever accomplished, and the fact that it works at all is fantastic. But that doesn't change the fact that it's far too expensive and far too limited. A mission to Mars would mainly use technology perfected in the 60s, with modern enhancements. I think the Apollo program demonstated we're quite capable of handling something along those lines.

Things like the ISS are steps along the way to figuring out how to do so, as well as what we will do when we get there.

How is a zero-gravity space station useful for telling us what we'll do on the surface of Mars? Even the trip out to Mars doesn't have to be zero-g; the manned part could be tethered to a booster and spun. Frankly, there are all sorts of things that only humans can do on Mars, and figuring out what they are doesn't take a floating space station. No space station was necessary for Apollo.

And the ISS is junk anyway. It was originally invented because it became obvious that the space shuttle couldn't do anything unmanned rockets couldn't do much cheaper; the ISS gave the shuttle a purpose. Considering that many experiments can be done on the cheap in unmanned, self-contained probes, most experiments being performed by people in space are superfluous and far too expensive. (random fact: the Israeli astonaut's project was to take extra, unneeded photos of a self-contained experiment. Though this was in the shuttle lab and not the ISS, it shows how roles for humans are often invented in these experiments.) Seeing the physiological effects of zero-g on human beings is certainly important, but Mir was handling that just fine. I realize saying we should have kept Mir seems to contradict my "keeping a spacecraft for a long time is absurd" statement, but Mir wasn't subjected to the extreme stresses of launch and re-entry.

Also, the ISS has turned out even less useful than originally planned. Cost over-runs forced a crew reduction from seven to three, so now most time spent on the station by the astronauts is simply taking care of the station itself, and not handling science. Canada has been granted a whopping 30 minutes of science experimenting a week, for example. The station is also extremely noisy, almost to the point of being threatening for the astronauts aboard. Note that this station has the same price tag as a mission to Mars would have, and that subsequent missions would be far cheaper.

Humans have had water- based travel for thousands of years. So, why was it only a little over 500 years ago that we figured out that the world is a sphere? Well, aside from religion and natural skepticism, a ship of 1,000 years ago simply wouldn't have been able to make the trip- to small/ unstable/ etc. Even after we started making such long trips, we had to learn to fight disease (scurvy and rickets)

We are perfectly capable of making a ship that would sustain four astronauts over the course of a trip. We are also capable of getting such a ship to Mars. Your example isn't comparable. And we certainly don't need to worry about scurvy.

and 500 years of shipbuilding still hasn't produced a ship that cannot be sunk.

I'm not saying there are no risks involved...
 
2003-02-15 06:51:51 PM
true. antigravity experiments commence today. we need to put a wheel on the ISS. it has something to do with magnetron beams, I'm busting my balls trying to figure this Edisons' lightbulb thingy.
 
2003-02-15 07:10:37 PM
I vote Possum Lodge leader Red Green for president next time around. Meanwhile, the other things happening on our little planet really don't matter to the people of Pluto. I wanna visit their dining facilities, and date one of their four headed fangor beast women, in our new global voyager starship.
 
2003-02-15 07:58:38 PM
Dammit ghost, you killed the thread :)
 
2003-02-15 09:31:47 PM
my time machine works great. i had some help from NASA, a little help from the anarticese, and the equatarins even helped a little. i've become a millionare in just a few short weeks and have only been nearly killed by my alternate me once.
 
TJ
2003-02-15 10:35:23 PM
b0rg9: LOL
 
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