As a Republican who's Pro Gay Marriage i'm getting a kick out of these replies.

No really, it's true, i'm an honest to goodness republican, the kind of republican who is for small government, i don't think the government should care (or say) who can and can't marry. But since turtles don't pay taxes they have no rights, so no man on turtle marriage just yet.

What should you care what goes on behind closed doors that has nothing to do with you?

\nosey nancys
\\i don't care what you do with your dick, just don't stick it up my ass
\\\i poo out of there
\\\\slashies

Tolerance is the last virtue of a dying society.

writergrrl11: It says that in 1958 93% of whites disapproved of interracial marriage. Now, I truly hope it doesn't take 50 years for the same-sex marriage issue to flip-flip its approval ratings, but this does give us some hope for the future.

As has been pointed out several times here and elsewhere, a large majority of those under 30 are all for letting the gheys get married, and it's skewed largely the other way for those older than 65. Guess what though, those guys are dying off. It may still take another 10, or even 20 years, but gay marriage will have majority support and the people fighting against it now will be viewed in much the same way as those who fought against minority rights 50 years ago.

Of course, most of them will pretend they weren't fighting against it or "didn't care" like the bigots of the past always do.

hailin: Tell you what religious fundies. Let the government keep marriage and apply it to whatever they deem fit for marriage and we will change the name of your "marriage" to "spiritual union". Obviously since you see no difference other than a name, you will not have a problem with this arrangement.

You talkin to me?

Raiden333: Interesting. Mind giving me the passage in Leviticus that says this? Along with the other 6 laws?

Where the heck did you get Leviticus from? I'm pretty sure its in Bereishis. They were the 7 laws given to Noah for non-jews to observe since all people are descendants of Noah.

Do not murder.
Do not steal.
Do not worship false gods.
Do not be sexually immoral.
Do not eat a limb removed from a live animal.
Do not curse God.
Set up courts and bring offenders to justice

The sexually immoral part says don't have ghey sex and dont fark animals.

Nemo's Brother: He isn't a Pat Robertson Christian, but definitely a Christian.

Hypocrisy is part of the baggage that come with religious self-delusion. But, imagine a president that didn't lie. That would not be a popular individual.

Raiden333:
Not to mention, they don't even follow the real 10 commandments, they just picked a set of 10 rules and relabled those as the 10 commandments, since the original 10 were crazy. shiat like "thou shalt not seethe a kid in its mothers milk."

false. try again.

andrewskdr: But in all seriousness, who cares if the gays get married?

Gays, for one, and people who give a damn whether our government is living up to the standards of fairness and justice, for two.

Gamer Grrrl: nuclear_asshat: It's cool to blame the Mormons, blame the courts, blame anyone and everyone, but not Obama. Oh no, not him. It's okay when he says it because we secretly think he lied to be elected and will roll over when the tide turns.

Right, because Obama voted FOR Prop 8 and donated a ton of money to help get it to pass.

We're taking baby steps. Right now, I think Obama has other things he needs to be focusing on other than gay marriage. America isn't quite ready to allow gay marriage, but it WILL happen. it doesn't matter what Obama thinks, because it's NOT going to happen while he's in office. There's just not enough support for it yet.

I've got my money on his second term.

give me doughnuts [TotalFark] Quote 2009-05-27 12:42:58 PM
dwrash: There is a big difference between being born with a different skin color and the choice/conditioning to be homosexual.

The latest American Psychological report denies that there is any evidence of such a thing as a 'gay gene' or that it is inherited and that it is an acquired behavior.

Ask them if there is any such thing as a "straight" gene.

And since there is ample evidence of homosexual behavior in a number of species besides humans, your "acquired behavior" argument is a load of crap.

Quite the contrary.
It's seen in nature in overpopulating and population apexes. Also seen greatest with acceptance in humans directly before the fall of great civilization.
ie...
Samaria
Egypt
Greece
Rome

Fooshards: Tolerance is the last virtue of a dying society.

Stupid. And history tells us differently.

toonz: My day without legalized gay marriage:


My day with legalized gay marriage:


yeah. i really need to stop gay marriage. it totally could mess me up.

THIS!!

Honestly, when it comes to gay marriage; I just don't care. I'm not for it, but I'm not against it. There are bigger issues that I'm worried.

Like say, working and keeping my job and getting my degree.

EsteeFlwrPot: hailin: Tell you what religious fundies. Let the government keep marriage and apply it to whatever they deem fit for marriage and we will change the name of your "marriage" to "spiritual union". Obviously since you see no difference other than a name, you will not have a problem with this arrangement.

You talkin to me?

Raiden333: Interesting. Mind giving me the passage in Leviticus that says this? Along with the other 6 laws?

Where the heck did you get Leviticus from? I'm pretty sure its in Bereishis. They were the 7 laws given to Noah for non-jews to observe since all people are descendants of Noah.

Do not murder.
Do not steal.
Do not worship false gods.
Do not be sexually immoral.
Do not eat a limb removed from a live animal.
Do not curse God.
Set up courts and bring offenders to justice

The sexually immoral part says don't have ghey sex and dont fark animals.

Well, then it didn't make much sense for the Leviticus passage to be quoted in the beginning, does it?

bulldg4life: How do you make that connection?

Read the second post in the thread.

Do you want to know why people hate gays? It is not just the bible thumpers but pretty much every baby boomer middle class American. The fact remains that a majority of people think man on man sex is disgusting. Nobody but gay men wants to see that shiat. Nobody. Instead of flaunting their sexuality maybe if the gay men took a more subdued approach instead of waving their dicks around at every queer parade and inciting/disgusting those they seek approval from.

During the civil rights era Martin Luther King Jr. preached civil disobedience and non-violence. He was smart enough to realize that those who opposed him and hated black people expected black people to act like violent animals. People who hate gays expect them to act like flaming queers. Keep that queer shiat in your house. Do not give them the satisfaction. If you stop giving people reasons to hate you then they will learn to tolerate you. In time people will realize that they have more in common than differences.

I don't give a shiat what you do in the privacy of your home with consenting adults. I don't care how much cock you suck or how many dicks you can fit up your ass. I just don't want to know about it altogether. A lot of Americans feel this way. Smarten the fark up and you may earn the acceptance you seek. Otherwise giving people reasons to hate you will only prolong the hatred.

discospinster: letrole: Homosexuality is a learned behaviour. The instinct for sex involves thrusting and groping and kissing and so forth. If you get horny at the sight of a naked man, or if you get horny at the sight of a naked woman, it is only because you have been taught to make that association.

I guess that would make heterosexuality a learned behaviour as well.

Seriously, when are you Americans going to catch up with the rest of civilization?

Don't feed the troll.

andrewskdr If we grant the right to gay marriage... can we just fark with the gays and not give them the right to divorce? I think that would be funny.

We should allow them to marry but arrest them on site for making out in public.

DoBeDoBeDo: give me doughnuts: dwrash: There is a big difference between being born with a different skin color and the choice/conditioning to be homosexual.

The latest American Psychological report denies that there is any evidence of such a thing as a 'gay gene' or that it is inherited and that it is an acquired behavior.

Ask them if there is any such thing as a "straight" gene.

And since there is ample evidence of homosexual behavior in a number of species besides humans, your "acquired behavior" argument is a load of crap.

YOu know in some other species mothers eat their young and the females kill the males soon after copulation. I'd rather neither of those be legal so let's leave other species out of it :)

Nobody was calling for it. I was just countering some bigot's notion that homosexuality was a learned behavior.

You know what the best thing about America is? It doesn't matter if 'Majority opinion' doesn't want to give certain people rights. We're supposed to give all the people rights, regardless.

Supposed to, anyway.

/Majority of Americans didn't want blacks to be able to vote for a very long time, either. See how well that worked?

nuclear_asshat: Isn't it amazing to watch the cult of Obama in action? It's only okay to oppose gay marriage if you are Obama, he gets a free pass. Anyone else? farking redneck bigot.

^FTW

Rights are not things to be voted on. That is all.

/so much text to defend the bigotry that is denying marriage rights, you all should be ashamed

mofomisfit:You can repeat it as many times as you want and it won't make it true.

The institution of marriage was not in doubt. It was the mixing of the races that was feared.

I find it most amusing that a homosexual would consider the negroes who marched for civil rights to be some sort of fellow travellers.

That's even more revisionism. The protesters at Selmer and Birmingham and all those other dreadful places had even less tolerance for sodomy that the majority.

jst3p: perpetual_lotion:


well, yes that's what I was getting at from the start. Support for homosexual marriage may be at or over 50% but all the polls I've found put the support for polygamous marriages at around 10% or lower. I can link if you really want me to. Why is this? It seems that all the arguments put forward in favor of homosexual marriage should be directly applicable to polygamous marriage.

I agree with you. Change usually comes slowly and incrementally.

well yes and no. There's actually a bigger issue involved. Namely that polygamous societies have existed in the past and still exist now. In America, they're associated with forcing children into marriage. (mormon, islam) and overly violent societies (islam). Whether this is a fair association or not, is moot. It exists.

There are no homosexual societies to compare too, they tend to not live past a generation...

MFL: I guess the million dollar question for progressives is after gay marriage becomes law in a few years is "what next?"

As a country, we're not quite ready to rounding up christians and feeding them to the lions yet, and the progressive movement needs something to march to in the meantime. Any thoughts?

What's next?? Ohhhh, I don't know, everyone is treated equally, stuff like that.

EsteeFlwrPot:

Where the heck did you get Leviticus from? I'm pretty sure its in Bereishis. They were the 7 laws given to Noah for non-jews to observe since all people are descendants of Noah.

Do not murder.
Do not steal.
Do not worship false gods.
Do not be sexually immoral.
Do not eat a limb removed from a live animal.
Do not curse God.
Set up courts and bring offenders to justice

The sexually immoral part says don't have ghey sex and dont fark animals.

false try again.

Just because you can yell louder then the majority of us doesn't mean you get your way. Take your civil unions and be happy we haven't exiled all you to San Francisco.

/tired of gay yellers
/tired of being told i have to be tolerant.

Is being gay illegal? NO.
Is being Married illegal? NO.

Then why the f--k is gay marriage illegal?

///Straight married man who doesn't give a rats ass what other consenting adults do.

letrole: mofomisfit:You can repeat it as many times as you want and it won't make it true.

The institution of marriage was not in doubt. It was the mixing of the races that was feared.

I find it most amusing that a homosexual would consider the negroes who marched for civil rights to be some sort of fellow travellers.

That's even more revisionism. The protesters at Selmer and Birmingham and all those other dreadful places had even less tolerance for sodomy that the majority.

Again, repeating yourself doesn't make what you say true.

Dalrint: You know what the best thing about America is? It doesn't matter if 'Majority opinion' doesn't want to give certain people rights. We're supposed to give all the people rights, regardless.

Supposed to, anyway.

/Majority of Americans didn't want women to be able to vote for a very long time, either. See how well that worked?

ftfm

poot_rootbeer: andrewskdr: But in all seriousness, who cares if the gays get married?

Gays, for one, and people who give a damn whether our government is living up to the standards of fairness and justice, for two.

WTF gays already have their own parades. You don't see heterosexuals complaining that we don't have the same thing. I want my straight-sex parades damn it!

Actually I don't know if there are already such things. If there are, that's awesome.

perpetual_lotion: Raiden333:
Not to mention, they don't even follow the real 10 commandments, they just picked a set of 10 rules and relabled those as the 10 commandments, since the original 10 were crazy. shiat like "thou shalt not seethe a kid in its mothers milk."

false. try again.

Want to link me to where the Decalogue is called a set of "commandments" in scripture? I just checked the 3 places it's given real quick (the two times in Exodus, once in Dut) and couldn't find it.

I know most of you True Believers are upset with Barack Obama. But don't be mad at him. Be mad at yourselves.

Anybody with even a shred of political wisdom knew Obama wasn't going to support gays, end military "tribunals", lower taxes, create "green" jobs, end veteran homelessness or reduce the deficit.

Anyone without their partisan blinders on would have seen these promises as vaporous and without meaning. But, you all heard exactly what you wanted to hear. You all truly believed he would "change" Washington. Ha! I don't know if y'all are naive, gullible or just irrationally hopeful. Either way, the blame lies with you for believing a politician. Shame on you people. Shame, shame, shame.

Huskadoodle: HeartBurnKid: See this page (new window) for an example of how one of our founding fathers detested the idea of "majority rule".

I get the entire majority rule is evil argument. I was pointing out that many if not all of the people in this thread that are arguing just that support a president who they believe will govern on the basis of majority rule rather than being a leader of the people.

As to the subject at hand

I look at it this way, how is same gender marriage going to hurt me or my family.

Yeah, it won't. So there.

Actually, I think what they're saying is that he's hiding his true position on this issue, as many of the supporters of "civil unions" do. Pretty much everybody who supports civil unions is either secretly thinking, "I think gays should be able to get married, but I know that's not going to fly today," or "I don't think gays should be able to get married, but I'll pump up this whole 'civil union' thing so I don't look like a bigot." Personally, I think Obama's in the former camp.

UfarkHead: Instead of flaunting their sexuality maybe if the gay men took a more subdued approach instead of waving their dicks around at every queer parade and inciting/disgusting those they seek approval from.

this seems to be only done at Gay Pride Parades, which is not exactly a civil rights march and probably more akin to an Irish Pride parade, albeit with much more pink.

elchip: Tatsuhiko: I've yet to find any scripture against gay sex or having anything to do with gay relations other than that whole "Sodomite" thing (which could actually be either gender, if you think about it).

Leviticus 20:13
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

I think I've been looking in all the wrong places, because everytime I ask this one, people cite the one where it says that a man lays with a woman, which only omits homosexuality (Although, laying and marriage aren't the same thing).

But, then it says... there's a death penalty for this? Maybe we should stop getting our new age laws from the Old Testament. There's literally hundreds of laws omitted today all having to do with previous laws and concerning death penalties (Including a known prostitute entering a tavern between dawn and dusk).

This religious country really loves picking and choosing their laws to commit to.

I'm opposed to religions.

But they are protected by the Constitution.

Like that means anything any more.

UfarkHead: Do you want to know why people hate gays? It is not just the bible thumpers but pretty much every baby boomer middle class American. The fact remains that a majority of people think man on man sex is disgusting. Nobody but gay men wants to see that shiat. Nobody. Instead of flaunting their sexuality maybe if the gay men took a more subdued approach instead of waving their dicks around at every queer parade and inciting/disgusting those they seek approval from.

During the civil rights era Martin Luther King Jr. preached civil disobedience and non-violence. He was smart enough to realize that those who opposed him and hated black people expected black people to act like violent animals. People who hate gays expect them to act like flaming queers. Keep that queer shiat in your house. Do not give them the satisfaction. If you stop giving people reasons to hate you then they will learn to tolerate you. In time people will realize that they have more in common than differences.

I don't give a shiat what you do in the privacy of your home with consenting adults. I don't care how much cock you suck or how many dicks you can fit up your ass. I just don't want to know about it altogether. A lot of Americans feel this way. Smarten the fark up and you may earn the acceptance you seek. Otherwise giving people reasons to hate you will only prolong the hatred.

Farklee: History has shown that in order for the minority to get support from the masses that a great leader must take up the cause for the oppressed. A leader that can create empathy and to inspire some of the majority. Not a one that alienates and offends. Here is my point:

And I'm sure if this were the early 1960s, you'd be at the front of the line to toss your hat in with the Reverend Doctor.

Just as I'm sure that my posterior is a string instrument popular among fans of bluegrass.

give me doughnuts: DoBeDoBeDo: give me doughnuts: dwrash: There is a big difference between being born with a different skin color and the choice/conditioning to be homosexual.

The latest American Psychological report denies that there is any evidence of such a thing as a 'gay gene' or that it is inherited and that it is an acquired behavior.

Ask them if there is any such thing as a "straight" gene.

And since there is ample evidence of homosexual behavior in a number of species besides humans, your "acquired behavior" argument is a load of crap.

YOu know in some other species mothers eat their young and the females kill the males soon after copulation. I'd rather neither of those be legal so let's leave other species out of it :)

Nobody was calling for it. I was just countering some bigot's notion that homosexuality was a learned behavior.

Right but you used a false argument to do so, or at least one that opens up a whole other can of worms. Which is pretty much the problem with the majority of arguments for Gay marriage, they open up many other debates that we really shouldn't be having.

perpetual_lotion: well yes and no. There's actually a bigger issue involved. Namely that polygamous societies have existed in the past and still exist now. In America, they're associated with forcing children into marriage. (mormon, islam) and overly violent societies (islam). Whether this is a fair association or not, is moot. It exists.

That is a red herring. The problem is the "forcing children to marry" part not the polygamous part. I understand that in peoples minds there is a correlation but that does not mean there actually is one.

Because gay marriage is such an important issue that surpasses so many other things like the health care system and that pesky recession thing.

Theaetetus: you've spouted this "opinion" in multiple threads repeatedly.

When? I almost never post in ghey marriage threads.

DemonEater: Your argument is against atheists marrying (which is a clear case of discrimination on religious grounds, you bigoted fark).

Wtf is wrong with you? I don't give a shiat who gets married, I dont care if my neighbor marries a tranny goat, all I said was that it should be called a civil union when dealing with the government. Geez man, who crapped in your cereal this morning?

letrole: Not true. Thanks for playing the revisionist game.

It was miscegenation that was feared.

So allowing mixed marriage was going to lead to mixing of races. Wow. Who would have ever thought!

Now the question is -- why is that bad?

Khellendros: Average the numbers 1, 2, 3, 5, and 250. Are half of those numbers below the average?

Yes, in fact, half those numbers are below the average. There is also 1 number that is above the average.

/see, I can be smug and condescending, too.

I guess I can too!