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(Washington Post)   The war heroes you won't hear celebrated on Memorial Day - the 1,350 civilian contractors killed in Iraq and Afghanistan and 29,000 who have been injured there fighting for America and freedom   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 301
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2009-05-25 02:53:51 PM  
No. They were there for a paycheck.
 
2009-05-25 03:02:41 PM  
Blackwater Down?
 
2009-05-25 03:05:03 PM  
pix.motivatedphotos.com
 
2009-05-25 03:09:38 PM  
2wolves: No. They were there for a paycheck.

Exactly. We don't honor mercenaries.
 
2009-05-25 03:16:32 PM  
Henchmen.
 
2009-05-25 03:21:51 PM  
Minions to the all mighty dollar. You get what you sign up for.

Aren't most of them ex-military? Trained at a considerable cost to the US, then leave service, join Blackwater, make huge dollars, and cost the US much more than a a regular service person? Also, have much better gear than say, the average Marine?


Completely fark up.
 
2009-05-25 03:39:11 PM  
Mercenaries don't get celebrated. That is part of the deal.
 
2009-05-25 03:44:33 PM  
Having personally been caught up in a riot because an Iraqi child was shot by "the Americans in the black trucks." I'd like to thank our "Private Military Contractors" for one of the three times they nearly got me killed.
 
2009-05-25 03:47:15 PM  
"Screw 'em." - Markos Moulitanos
 
2009-05-25 03:51:53 PM  
I think basically everything that has to be said has been said, including a bad troll attempt.
 
2009-05-25 04:07:53 PM  
GAT_00: I think basically everything that has to be said has been said, including a bad troll attempt.

agreed .. my Troll was far better..

//this is not an AWing session.
//no im not linking to it
 
2009-05-25 04:14:18 PM  
fark this "contractors" bullshiat. They're mercenaries and sacks of shiat.
 
2009-05-25 04:27:41 PM  
40 below I like your pic but it needs a little more.

all the glory,none of the rules,twice the pay.
 
2009-05-25 04:47:31 PM  
Hobodeluxe: 40 below I like your pic but it needs a little more.

all the glory,none of the rules,twice the pay.


A Tier One Operator for Blackwater can pull down about $800 a day. If they have specialized medical, linguistics, or commo training, they can earn even more in bonuses.

An Army or Marine Corps infantry Staff Sergeant in Iraq, with all the combat zone bonuses that kick in might pull in $150 a day, with some generous rounding.

A Navy SEAL Chief Petty Officer, or an Army Special Forces Sergeant First Class, topped out on Special Duty/Special Skills might get about $200-$225 a day.
 
2009-05-25 04:58:49 PM  
cameroncrazy1984: 2wolves: No. They were there for a paycheck.

Exactly. We don't honor mercenaries.


Because every single contractor over there is in a private military force. There are no computer scientists, engineers, health care providers, or any other contractor of any sort over there acting as civilian support to our armed forces.
 
2009-05-25 06:16:21 PM  
img19.imageshack.us
 
2009-05-25 06:21:54 PM  
Mercenaries are not heroes.
 
2009-05-25 06:25:41 PM  
Contractors in war zones are a relatively new thing, created mostly by cut backs in military spending. The Army no longer has the manpower or equipment to provide their own food and housing and electricity.
So for all you slamming the contractors, write your congressmen and STFU. Our soldiers wouldn't have food and showers without those mercenary contractors.
 
2009-05-25 06:42:21 PM  
Shut the f*ck up.
 
2009-05-25 07:06:36 PM  
Seriously, dunno about you Americans, but the CF has outsourced pretty much everything that isn't mission critical, from personal Internet to shack construction at KAF. Saw lots of PAE-Lavelin folks over there doing work the army doesn't / no longer can do for itself. Nobody carrying guns, though.

/ did pick up a KBR cap just to piss off the lefties, tho
 
2009-05-25 07:19:37 PM  
real shaman: Our soldiers wouldn't have food and showers without those mercenary contractors.

So you're saying that the US armed forces simply doesn't have the expertise to operate it's own facilities and supply line?
Wow.
I'm no fan of the military, but I don't insult their capabilities.
 
2009-05-25 07:32:54 PM  
Procedural Texture: real shaman: Our soldiers wouldn't have food and showers without those mercenary contractors.

So you're saying that the US armed forces simply doesn't have the expertise to operate it's own facilities and supply line?
Wow.
I'm no fan of the military, but I don't insult their capabilities.


And I can't imagine, seeing what I've seen of the size of contracts scumbag companies like Halliburton (oops, I mean KBR) and Blackwater are getting, that it's really saving anything to privatize these contracts anyway.

There was a guy, in about 1960 or so, who warned about this. He said it was a "military-industrial complex" that would destabilize the world. Must have been some socialist peacenik.
 
2009-05-25 07:33:48 PM  
40below:

/ did pick up a KBR cap just to piss off the lefties, tho


The "lefties" like the Founding Fathers? Go blow a goat you ignorant hillbilly.
 
2009-05-25 07:45:50 PM  
2wolves: The "lefties" like the Founding Fathers? Go blow a goat you ignorant hillbilly.

The founding who?

Listen, I don't live in Britain or wherever you're from, and while I'm sure these people are very important to you wherever you live, just don't drag them on here and get offended that not everyone in the world holds them in the same breathless esteem that you do, okay, or somehow fails to live up to their example. You're gonna sound like a fundamentalist Muslim if you do.
 
2009-05-25 08:01:25 PM  
40below:

Listen, I don't live in Britain or wherever you're from, and while I'm sure these people are very important to you wherever you live, just don't drag them on here and get offended that not everyone in the world holds them in the same breathless esteem that you do, okay, or somehow fails to live up to their example. You're gonna sound like a fundamentalist Muslim if you do.


Hardly. How about all the caucasians go back to where you came from. Erie/Seneca here.
 
2009-05-25 08:30:37 PM  
40below:

/ did pick up a KBR cap just to piss off the lefties, tho


farm4.static.flickr.com

You should have picked up one of their bumper stickers.
 
2009-05-25 08:51:47 PM  
Sgt Otter: You should have picked up one of their bumper stickers.

Heh- actually wanted to grab one of these off one of the LAV IIIs at the FOBs outside Kandahar and bring it home for highway use. Too bad LAVs tend to be quite heavile armed.

pix.motivatedphotos.com
 
2009-05-25 09:12:49 PM  
real shaman: Our soldiers wouldn't have food and showers without those mercenary contractors.

You mean they wouldn't be KILLED by their showers and food without those mercenary contractors.
 
2009-05-25 09:31:51 PM  
Came for the Clerks reference, leaving satisfied.
 
2009-05-25 10:04:17 PM  
1,350 civilian contractors killed in Iraq and Afghanistan

img27.picoodle.com
 
2009-05-25 10:08:32 PM  
heroes?Talon: cameroncrazy1984: 2wolves: No. They were there for a paycheck.

Exactly. We don't honor mercenaries.

Because every single contractor over there is in a private military force. There are no computer scientists, engineers, health care providers, or any other contractor of any sort over there acting as civilian support to our armed forces.


yes. all heroes.
 
2009-05-25 10:10:46 PM  
Because regu2wolves: No. They were there for a paycheck.

Because regular military personnel don't get paid, right?
 
2009-05-25 10:11:28 PM  
bronyaur1: Mercenaries are not heroes.

Bears repeating. If you knowingly go into a combat zone with a gun making nominal wages, then you are a candidate for heroism. If you go into a combat zone making c-level wages, then you are a privateer/profiteer and what becomes of you, becomes of you. The rest of us don't care because there are ten who are willing to take your place with dollar signs in their eyes.

/I expect BEARS REPEATING in response to this!
 
2009-05-25 10:12:56 PM  
Union Carbine: bronyaur1: Mercenaries are not heroes.

Bears repeating. If you knowingly go into a combat zone with a gun making nominal wages, then you are a candidate for heroism. If you go into a combat zone making c-level wages, then you are a privateer/profiteer and what becomes of you, becomes of you. The rest of us don't care because there are ten who are willing to take your place with dollar signs in their eyes.

/I expect BEARS REPEATING in response to this!


This.
 
2009-05-25 10:14:28 PM  
2wolves: No. They were there for a paycheck.

THIS

/plus, they aren't fighting for America anyway.
//I wish people would stop saying that.
 
2009-05-25 10:16:04 PM  
Although the trolls are heavy in this thread, ill have to a agree on a few points. Yes, they were there for a paycheck. Yes, the companies that hired them would pay them HUGE amounts of money to do the job. But, when you get down to the brass tacks, they were Americans doing a job. Period. Like them or not, agree with the war or not, they were the victims of terrorism just as much as the people during 9/11, or the soldiers that have died in the war. They were killed doing a job (most of them helping iraqi citizens) by terrorists who's political agenda is "our way, or we kill you all". You can't take that away from them, or not know the pain the parents / spouse / kids felt when they were killed. Remember the first one? They sawed his farking head off on videotape, and put it on the internet. I saw the video, and the parents picture when they found out. His father collapsed on the lawn in emotional agony. It was probably the most tear-jerking photo i have ever seen. Say what you will, and you will, but these people were Americans, and killed without cause. Most of them weren't even armed.
God bless them,
and thier families.
 
2009-05-25 10:16:08 PM  
cameroncrazy1984: 2wolves: No. They were there for a paycheck.

Exactly. We don't honor mercenaries.


But Americans do worship money.
 
2009-05-25 10:16:34 PM  
The KBR heroes.

Not quite.
 
2009-05-25 10:17:29 PM  
This may be cost effective - but I've got to say I have my reservations. I could see some very bad outcomes in certain scenarios - especially if this becomes S.O.P. in the long term.
 
2009-05-25 10:17:40 PM  
as a state department employee we did not have the luxury of military escorts on our rounds (dip pouch, visits to ministries, water, fuel, supplies, etc...). we relied on dyncorp and then blackwater contractors in kabul.

the dyncorp guys were nothing but trouble but the blackwater guys were no trouble at all for us.

when i was on a pouch run between kabul and bagram air base we took some fire and an ied or two went off. they got us through safely.

one time an ied hit the ambassadors suburban. one of their guys lost a leg but all others were fine.

until the military provides state and other agencies with protection for convoys and around town visits, there will be contractors.
 
2009-05-25 10:18:31 PM  
redmond24: Because regu2wolves: No. They were there for a paycheck.

Because regular military personnel don't get paid, right?


THIS. All soldiers are mercenaries. There is no difference. It's time for a different approach to our troops (new window).
 
2009-05-25 10:18:50 PM  
Dear Subby,

"A mercenary is a person who takes part in an armed conflict, who is not a national or a party to the conflict, and is "motivated to take part in the hostilities essentially by the desire for private gain and, in fact, is promised, by or on behalf of a party to the conflict, material compensation substantially in excess of that promised or paid to combatants of similar ranks and functions in the armed forces of that Party" (Additional Protocol I to the Geneva Convention of August 1949)."

Heroes! Heroes each and every one! Surely.

I won't remember them. I refuse. It cheapens the efforts of the legitimate fighting forces throughout history. The ones that sacrificed everything, not for a pay check, but for country and family. If you're a mercenary, you're not noble. You're a salary man and your limit is the cost benefit analysis.
 
2009-05-25 10:19:14 PM  
You guys really don't know much about subcontracting in Iraq, do you?

Well, neither do I. But I am JUST as prepared to give those guys a Johnny-Cash sized middle finger! UP YOURS, COMMIES!
 
2009-05-25 10:19:23 PM  
real shaman: Our soldiers wouldn't have food and showers without those mercenary contractors.

That may be true, but it's not an excuse to have no-bid contracts with no accountability
 
2009-05-25 10:19:34 PM  
Tanukis_Parachute: until the military provides state and other agencies with protection for convoys and around town visits, there will be contractors.

Or we stop unilaterally invading foreign nations.
 
2009-05-25 10:20:44 PM  
just wondering why it is so celebrated to be in the army making money from fighting in the war, but so vilified to be not in the army making money from fighting in the war. In my own opinion, I think it is damn near heroic to fight, and risk your life on behalf of your country regardless of who is paying the checks or how much they are getting paid.

Are y'all angry that civilian contractors are there? or just angry that our government pays them more than its own soldiers? Shouldn't this anger be placed on the government that allows this pay inequity to exist, and not the actual contractors who are taking advantage of that government?
 
2009-05-25 10:21:29 PM  
40below: did pick up a KBR cap just to piss off the lefties, tho

So your political enemies dictate your actions.

That's an interesting way to stick it to 'em.
 
2009-05-25 10:24:44 PM  
BLA BLA BLA... "... but but but the Army couldn't exist there without contractors...!!!!"


SHUT UP.

The "Army" shouldn't have been there in the first place. AND in the second place, since it's a combat force NOT a police force, anti-terrorism force, nation-building force...

But I digress. if our nation needs to fight, Congress shall appropriate money to fund appropriate logistics, run by the military as they should be, like they were in WWII. Maybe if we don't have the resources to go fight, we shouldn't be fighting in the first place? Maybe we shouldn't have the capability to go to war at the drop of the hat. it's not a very intelligent way to conduct foreign policy, nor is it an AMERICAN way to exist. If you think so, maybe you're in the wrong country?
 
2009-05-25 10:25:06 PM  
fighting for freedom? (truth, justice and the american way?)
drink more koolaid, sucker.
and fark you for killing these people.
war is murder.
heroes are better off alive.
 
2009-05-25 10:25:41 PM  
Well, a couple of 'em might have been heroes. Did they do anything except get killed/wounded to be heroes? I mean, if I get killed by a truck while running an errand for the office, am I a hero?
 
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