stlbluez: NewportBarGuy: The mid 90's was when the GOP went right out the farkin' window.

At what point.. in your obviously timely and informed opinion...
Did the GOP sneak back IN the window to take over Congress, and ultimately the White House for two terms after the mid-1990's ?

Think about how they regained power and then what they did with it.

Why do you defend these turds? They totally rooked you.

Office Ninja: I love the liberal butt hurt on this Pelosi issue.

"But...but...GINGRICH!!"

LOL

So let me get this straight. Pointing out glaring hypocrisy is butthurt now? Got it.

Office Ninja: I love the liberal butt hurt on this Pelosi issue.

"But...but...GINGRICH!!"

LOL

It's merely a point that he might not be the best person to be criticizing a Speaker of the House...

hyperspacemonkey: eaten by a grue

Awesome reference. I loved playing that game on the Tandy 1000 dual 5 1/4 floppy work of technical art. (actually, it sucked but I still had fun.)

/still occasionally misses DOS
//sorry for the threadjack

I'm convinced Newt Gingrich must have some MAJOR skeletons in his closet or would be trying to work harder to be the leader of the GOP.

StanleyPuff: Awesome reference. I loved playing that game on the Tandy 1000 dual 5 1/4 floppy work of technical art. (actually, it sucked but I still had fun.)

They really got around. Hell, I got got eaten by one in Planetfall.

Don't remember if Suspended had them...

RockyMtnMan: I'm convinced Newt Gingrich must have some MAJOR skeletons in his closet or would be trying to work harder to be the leader of the GOP.

From what we already know about him, he's a major league asshole. All I can imagine is that he was secretly banging Dick Cheney.

Random Reality Check: And exactly how would a minority committee member, sworn to secrecy go about making a "big stink" about the issue?

THIS

IXI Jim IXI: Random Reality Check: And exactly how would a minority committee member, sworn to secrecy go about making a "big stink" about the issue?

She needs to use those evil powers that the dark forces granted Barney Frank.

Now you've really confused me...

Does this mean she has to suck cock and take it up the ass or become gay?
This politics thing is so hard to understand and keep all the rules straight.

Look for the golden age of conservative intellectualism in America, and you keep going back, and back, and back - and eventually you run up against William Buckley in the 1950s declaring that blacks weren't advanced enough to vote, and that Franco was the savior of Spanish civilization. - Paul Krugman

Nucleus: How's that for a slogan?

Real chance would require someone whos not from Washington. Sorry Newt doesnt qualify.

Newt has a point.
He's a hypocritical schmuck that has about as much moral fiber as a button man for the mafia circa 1972, mind you.
But he does have a point.

The point being that Pelosi should really learn to shut her mouth.
Not that she's actually done anything wrong, or unexpected for a politician, but that she can do with the shutting up.

Otherwise, the massive health care apparatus? We do the military, and we do it well, although health care and military aren't quite the same thing, and while I did watch the TDS interview, Stewart didn't look his best, allowing Gingrich to deflect and use the usual arguments without the now expected level of shaming that TDS has come to bring to our elected officials over their faux outrage.

Republicans continue to suck hard and implode.

Random Reality Check: Does this mean she has to suck cock and take it up the ass or become gay?
This politics thing is so hard to understand and keep all the rules straight.

No, I'm sure she already does most of that.

I mean she needs the secret power that made a minority senator such as Barney Frank responsible for the whole subprime mess.

IXI Jim IXI: Random Reality Check: Does this mean she has to suck cock and take it up the ass or become gay?
This politics thing is so hard to understand and keep all the rules straight.

No, I'm sure she already does most of that.

I mean she needs the secret power that made a minority senator such as Barney Frank responsible for the whole subprime mess.

Thanks for the clarification.

I'm sure Speaker Pelosi already has all of those powers, she's a liberal and all them liberals worship Satan.

QED
BFD
Whatever

Again, since I've yet to hear a response to my critique, the most kind view you can have about Pelosi's side of the story and believe she is against torture is that she found out that the tools the CIA had been granted by the Bush Administration included techniques that she found morally abhorrent, but she assumed that there was no way she could pursuade them not to used these tools or have them taken away and as a result made no effort to challenge this legal view.

If you can accept that, fine, but I can't respect someone unwilling to stand up on these issues.

Random Reality Check: Thanks for the clarification.

No problem. My coffee hasn't kicked in yet. I'm lucky that I'm typing English.

Grungehamster: If you can accept that, fine, but I can't respect someone unwilling to stand up on these issues.

And which issues would those be? Not having the moral decency to speak up?
Of course, most that bring up the 'moral decency' card are usually... let's see, White, Christian, Middle to Lower Class, Suburban or Rural, vote GOP, some higher education without a degree, etc.

Am i pretty close with my profiling?

Office Ninja: I love the liberal butt hurt on this Pelosi issue.

"But...but...GINGRICH!!"

LOL

I guess you can't recognize the stench of hypocrisy that is wafting from Gingrich. Now go and commit seppuku via a papercut.

Nucleus: How's that for a slogan?

'sup dawg.

Random Reality Check: Grungehamster: she would have made a big stink then.

And exactly how would a minority committee member, sworn to secrecy go about making a "big stink" about the issue?

Please be explicit in your in your reply leaving no amount of detail out.

Right. I like this. So do you think that as I scroll down the thread I'll find the information you are requesting?

GAT_00: He's trying real damn hard to get back into the spotlight. Stewart cracked me up when he was on TDS yesterday. He asked Gingrich why he was willing to let the government run one massive institution (military) and not another one (health insurance) and Gingrich was just struck dumb by the idiocy of his own arguments. He had clearly never thought of it like that and had absolutely nothing as an answer.

That's a fairly simple answer... Enumeration of Powers? National Defense is actually one of them, healthcare is not. And please don't cite the preamble... that's not one of the enumerated powers.

Newt is Moot.


he just doesn't know it yet.

Grungehamster: Again, since I've yet to hear a response to my critique, the most kind view you can have about Pelosi's side of the story and believe she is against torture is that she found out that the tools the CIA had been granted by the Bush Administration included techniques that she found morally abhorrent, but she assumed that there was no way she could persuade them not to used these tools or have them taken away and as a result made no effort to challenge this legal view.

If you can accept that, fine, but I can't respect someone unwilling to stand up on these issues.

So what did you do when you first found out about them? Please state the date the occurred. For purposes of reference, let us accept 2004 as the year in which torture was revealed, according to the Foreign Policy (new window) timeline:

2004

March: The United States repatriates the "Tipton Three," Britons held in Guantánamo, to Britain, which releases them without charge. They provide a public statement alleging abuse, including severe beatings.

April 28 - May 10: The New Yorker's Seymour Hersh and CBS News break the story of the abuse of prisoners at Abu Ghraib.

June 8: The Washington Post's Dana Priest and Jeffrey Smith break the story of the OLC torture memos.

You are so concerned about what Nancy Pelosi did after receiving what was apparently a rather cryptic and secret briefing during a time of war. I think it's fair to ask how you put your life and career on the line to express your disgust and opposition.

So? Courage? Sacrifice? Got any to share?

Cinaed: Grungehamster: If you can accept that, fine, but I can't respect someone unwilling to stand up on these issues.

And which issues would those be? Not having the moral decency to speak up?
Of course, most that bring up the 'moral decency' card are usually... let's see, White, Christian, Middle to Lower Class, Suburban or Rural, vote GOP, some higher education without a degree, etc.

Am i pretty close with my profiling?

BZZT! Wrong! Thanks for playing though. The issues are human rights. I'm with the Glenn Greenwalds and Andrew Sullivans of the world on this: NO politician of ANY stripe should support this stuff.

Now don't get me wrong; Pelosi commited a venial sin compared to a lot of these jokers. But quite frankly, I expect more from our representatives. Am I usually disappointed? Hell yes. But it won't stop me from expecting real courage in the line of fire from those in power.

Tor_Eckman: MyRandomName: GAT_00: He's trying real damn hard to get back into the spotlight. Stewart cracked me up when he was on TDS yesterday. He asked Gingrich why he was willing to let the government run one massive institution (military) and not another one (health insurance) and Gingrich was just struck dumb by the idiocy of his own arguments. He had clearly never thought of it like that and had absolutely nothing as an answer.

That's a fairly simple answer... Enumeration of Powers? National Defense is actually one of them, healthcare is not. And please don't cite the preamble... that's not one of the enumerated powers.

I think you are missing the point here. If govt is capable of running the military they shuold be capable of running healthcare.

Whether they have the right to under the constitution is another matter all together.

Government is capable of running any large business enterprise. Can they do it efficiently and cheaply is another matter. Just because they can, doesn't mean they should.

Plus it would be a false equivalency unless the government starts training US Citizens on how to take care of themselves. Although forced exercise may be good.

jules_siegel: Random Reality Check: Grungehamster: she would have made a big stink then.

And exactly how would a minority committee member, sworn to secrecy go about making a "big stink" about the issue?

Please be explicit in your in your reply leaving no amount of detail out.

Right. I like this. So do you think that as I scroll down the thread I'll find the information you are requesting?

Nothing yet - but I have hopes.

This is the beauty of the position that the Bush Administration put Congress in, if they objected, there were only deaf ears for your objections to fall upon and if you went public - rather, if you DARED to go public, you were risking a free trip through the traitor gallery on your way to Gitmo.

It's only been a handful of years, has everybody forgotten what this country was like that short a time ago?

MyRandomName: And please don't cite the preamble... that's not one of the enumerated powers.

Probably just filler, right?

MyRandomName: Government is capable of running any large business enterprise. Can they do it efficiently and cheaply is another matter. Just because they can, doesn't mean they should.

This is a particularly interesting statement, one that I believe deserves further discussion.

If we take your statement at face value (and I would suggest that others may disagree with your premise) then the role of government might be considered to facilitate critical services that the private sector cannot do as well for the good of the citizenry.

Could the private sector have built the interstate highway system, possibly, but not likely. The same holds true of the telecommunications network and the electrical grid. Neither of those powers were specifically enumerated as federal powers but I doubt that anyone could object that these projects equaled the playing field for all Americans, greatly increased this country's global competitiveness and thereby made this nation stronger.

What's good for the gander is good for the goose.

She should resign, as he did.

Hypocrisy, at any level, should not be rewarded.

farkuufarkinfark: What's good for the gander is good for the goose.

She should resign, as he did.

Hypocrisy, at any level, should not be rewarded.

If we can prove that Pelosi did in fact lie or was hypocritical then I would agree with you.

How about if we demand a full investigation with access to all relevant records?

farkuufarkinfark: What's good for the gander is good for the goose.

She should resign, as he did.

She should.

Democrats like to endure the scandals however. Their voters have very short term memory.

Random Reality Check: How about if we demand a full investigation with access to all relevant records?


Absolutely.

SpeshilEdjukashin: Misleading troll-bait headline: Check.
Greenlit because the admins like them misleading: Check.
Next 500 posts calling my observation "tasty neocon tears" or "useless neocon whargarrbl:" Check.

For some things, there's common sense. For everything else, there's LibCard.

Oh, hey, it's the head writer of the Half-Hour Comedy Hour

The whole thing about Pelosi and the CIA only proves how utterly insincere the GOP is about having a fair debate here.

She simply isn't a very important issue right now, and the only people who want to talk about her are the ones who want to derail the badly needed work that our politicians need to accomplish.

Office Ninja: I love the liberal butt hurt on this Pelosi issue.

"But...but...GINGRICH!!"

LOL

Anyone who still says "LOL" needs a penis-piercing.

NewportBarGuy 2009-05-21 12:56:23 AM LOL The mid 90's was when the GOP went right out the farkin' window. Newt is such a vile piece of shiat, he actually makes Bill Clinton look like a Choir Boy.
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The only thing Bill Clinton ever did was allow an ugly young woman to give her a blowjob. GET OVER IT. :)

"I hope the GOP does succeed in getting this whole PelosiGate thing in front of the public. When she was first accused, Bob Graham came out and said that 3 of the 4 dates the CIA had claimed to have briefed them never happened. The CIA retracted the claim on those 3 dates, but hold to the 4th. Then on The Colbert Report last night I heard Bob Graham say something very interesting, that at this 4th alleged briefing, there were people present with no security clearance - meaning that it could not have been the type of briefing they are claiming it to be."

Remember when the Repukes were making fun of Graham for keeping his "little notebooks"?

/I miss Graham, when he was Governor he used to jog past my office every morning with his bodyguard and wave.

jake3988: The only thing Bill Clinton ever did was allow an ugly young woman to give her a blowjob. GET OVER IT. :)


Her? You sure about that?


that said...

Clinton liked to go hoggin and pick low hanging fruit and go for easy lay-ups.

That is no way for the POTUS to act. He should have taken a few pages from JFK's playbook.

Grungehamster:
Now don't get me wrong; Pelosi commited a venial sin compared to a lot of these jokers. But quite frankly, I expect more from our representatives. Am I usually disappointed? Hell yes. But it won't stop me from expecting real courage in the line of fire from those in power.

So it's a forgivable sin of remaining mute in the face of a horrible thing, but you don't want to forgive her?
And you're non-white, highly educated, urban...

Are you Obama?

Random Reality Check: jules_siegel: Random Reality Check: Grungehamster: she would have made a big stink then.

And exactly how would a minority committee member, sworn to secrecy go about making a "big stink" about the issue?

Please be explicit in your in your reply leaving no amount of detail out.

Right. I like this. So do you think that as I scroll down the thread I'll find the information you are requesting?

Nothing yet - but I have hopes.

This is the beauty of the position that the Bush Administration put Congress in, if they objected, there were only deaf ears for your objections to fall upon and if you went public - rather, if you DARED to go public, you were risking a free trip through the traitor gallery on your way to Gitmo.

It's only been a handful of years, has everybody forgotten what this country was like that short a time ago?

It's very simple: the Democrats are evil because they failed to prevent the Republicans from doing evil things.

Haha! The grue was invented by Jack Vance for his Dying earth series of books. Groovy.

Ace Frehley's Ghost: Office Ninja: I love the liberal butt hurt on this Pelosi issue.

"But...but...GINGRICH!!"

LOL

So let me get this straight. Pointing out glaring hypocrisy is butthurt now? Got it.

Never stopped liberals when conservatives have pointed it out. Why suddenly so rational?

IXI Jim IXI: Office Ninja: I love the liberal butt hurt on this Pelosi issue.

"But...but...GINGRICH!!"

LOL

It's merely a point that he might not be the best person to be criticizing a Speaker of the House...

And it's conservstives' point that Pelosi might not be the best person to be criticizing EITs since she was apparently aware.

Apik0r0s: Random Reality Check: And exactly how would a minority committee member, sworn to secrecy go about making a "big stink" about the issue?

THIS

By speaking up as soon as the issue was made public. Which happened quite some time ago. She seems to be speaking pretty openly about it now! But she said nothing until it was HER buns on the frying pan. Does the supposed gag order you want to entitle to her suddenly become null and void? Or is she simply covering her ass now that she's caught? And covering it poorly (which version is she on with her story?).

Plus, last I checked she made SotH quite s while ago. A step up from "minority committee member" don't you think?

So, no. Excuse = not hers.