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2009-05-20 01:49:41 PM
murp0837: In regards to Gay Rights vs. Civil Rights, I would hope most of you can comprehend the difference between a behavior and a race.

What do you mean behavior? When two straight people marry, no one gives a shiat what their "behavior" is.
 
2009-05-20 01:50:17 PM
Theaetetus: Wow... You fail history. Both Eastern and Western cultures have had institutionalized homosexual relationships, going back thousands of years.

My history lessons escape me, but wasn't it the Greeks or Romans that had male "mistresses" along with their married wives? It really put a new spin on loving your friends or bretheren.

/Funny how several thousand years later, and we become less civilized in some aspects.
 
2009-05-20 01:50:27 PM
Vonneguts_razor: But come on it's not like either side is going to accept the correct course of action and return marriage to church/synagogue/mosque and leave a civil contract for the state.

Marriage was a civil contract for thousands of years before the church got involved.
 
2009-05-20 01:50:44 PM
Gays.

The N**g**S of the '90s
 
2009-05-20 01:50:57 PM
it'll be funny when the black folk concede, then offer 40 acres and an ass that they'll never deliver.
 
2009-05-20 01:51:10 PM
Tatsuhiko: My history lessons escape me, but wasn't it the Greeks or Romans that had male "mistresses" along with their married wives? It really put a new spin on loving your friends or bretheren.

Yep, and there are paintings of Japanese Samurai "brothers" getting all frisky.
 
2009-05-20 01:51:15 PM
Dr.Knockboots: Fano: They just tolerated you. It's ok.

i see what you did there.. crafty for a liter! :)


LOL. That used up my craftiness for this thread.
 
2009-05-20 01:51:19 PM
This is a case of the pot calling the kettle "fag."


Amirite?
 
MIU
2009-05-20 01:51:30 PM
KaponoFor3: It does to federal courts. Race, gender, religion are all have protected class status. Sexual orientation does not.

It's high time it did, frankly.
 
2009-05-20 01:52:09 PM
I thought we were going to keep this on the DL?
 
2009-05-20 01:52:10 PM
Weaver95: Black church leaders who oppose moves to legalise same-sex marriage in New York have attacked gay campaigners for comparing the struggle for equality to the civil rights movement.

that's because the two situations aren't remotely similar. But as a propaganda move, it's good for the gays. it solves several of their problems. From a civil rights perspective, it's perverting their struggle and diluting their efforts.


Loving v. Virginia wasn't a civil rights issue?

Could you make SOME attempt to back up your claims?

Where's the perversion and the dilution?

Equal means equal means equal.
 
2009-05-20 01:52:20 PM
Mija: It's not a right to be a sexual deviant that even God calls an abomination. Just like it's not a right to be a pedophile, a rapist or a necrophiliac. Sick is sick. Immoral is immoral.

So you favor stoning a man to death if he works on the sabbath?

I know I do, but not for biblical reasons. And I may be thinking of a different definition of stoning.
 
2009-05-20 01:52:27 PM
UNHbeta19: drjekel_mrhyde: Sorry but Gay is not the new Black
/Yeah and that's coming from a black person

yeah gays would probably make better parents (at least they would have a male figure around)


ow. That one stung.
 
2009-05-20 01:52:34 PM
Summing up:
discrimination bad, boobies good?
 
2009-05-20 01:52:47 PM
If Gays experience true marriage, then they'll have to change their name from Gay to "Quietly Waiting for Death"

Oh, I'm not typing anything, dear. My computer got hacked again. Yes. Yes. I'll come listen to you tell me about your foot pain (again).

Hackers. Dear. They're listening too.
 
2009-05-20 01:53:07 PM
MCakaTLK: notauniquesnowflake: What they're saying is:

Just because you have the instinct/urge to do something doesn't mean you should do it. Often cited are pedophiles who say they are naturally attracted to children. It is an *action* that you can choose not to do, not a physical feature like skin color.
It doesn't matter if they can choose to be homosexual or not. The point is that they shouldn't be forced to choose "not"


First, to be clear, I was simply clarifying the statement made by the person in the article for the person who didn't understand. I never said it's my opinion, ok Farkers/Farkettes?

Second, the whole marriage thing isn't forcing people to choose not to be gay. It's just saying "no, you can't marry them." Just like it tells the polys "no, you can't marry more than one person."
 
2009-05-20 01:53:14 PM
tortilla burger: mloree: Just wondering how someone can oppose gay rights without being homophobic. What's your reasoning then?

Let's say you're gay and you don't want your golddigger boyfriend to marry you and take half your stuff. That'd be a reason to oppose gay marriage (secretly, of course).

"I'm sorry baby (do gay people call each other that?), we can't get married cuz the religious nutjobs and black people don't want us to"


Of course, there's always "no"
 
2009-05-20 01:53:47 PM
MayorYana: Question, are they anti-gay civil partnership aswell as gay marriage, or just gay marriage? Because if its gay marriage I understand, marriage in a christian sense = 1 man 1 woman, I'm pro-gay-civil partnership. I'm not religious, but I understand that they dont want their rituals changed, religion is rarely the first to step forward and accept change.

Only for certain sects of Christianity. Others believe that marriage = 2 people. For the state to choose one sect of Christianity over another would be a violation of the Establishment Clause, and be an infringement on one group's Freedom of Exercise.
 
2009-05-20 01:53:51 PM
MayorYana: Question, are they anti-gay civil partnership aswell as gay marriage, or just gay marriage? Because if its gay marriage I understand, marriage in a christian sense = 1 man 1 woman, I'm pro-gay-civil partnership. I'm not religious, but I understand that they dont want their rituals changed, religion is rarely the first to step forward and accept change.

You do know that a religious ceremony is not necessary at all to be married right? No one is saying that churches would have to perform gay marriages. We're just saying their religious views shouldn't be considered when it comes to the state recognizing a marriage.
 
2009-05-20 01:53:52 PM
UNHbeta19: drjekel_mrhyde: Sorry but Gay is not the new Black
/Yeah and that's coming from a black person

yeah gays would probably make better parents (at least they would have a male figure around)


You mean like my daughter
 
2009-05-20 01:54:05 PM
I think the crappy thing is the people who oppose this type of thing always end up looking like the douche in the end.

Not on the bandwagon because of that, but that really, really, does tell you how these things end, because in the end, it's the morally correct thing to do.
 
2009-05-20 01:54:13 PM
gilgigamesh: I am very familiar with the inner workings of inner city church hierarchy. That makes it more difficult for me to understand the socially conservative bent there. It strikes me as intensely hypocritical.

It is.

/I don't know when I'm coming back to church, Grandma.
//I don't need a building or a middle man to pray to GOD
 
2009-05-20 01:54:16 PM
DROxINxTHExWIND: Give me a couple of these "privileges".

How about the ongoing call for reparations, which makes people who have never been guilty of slavery compensate people who have never been slaves? All American slaves, and their owners, are dead.

Or Affirmative Action, which gives "minorities" "extra credit" over "non-minorities" based on skin color alone when all other qualifications are equal(ized)?

A key component of anti-racism is the realization that neither of us owe the other on the basis of anything but our choices, should we deal with one another, but certainly not by virtue of an accident of birth.
 
2009-05-20 01:54:27 PM
Nocens: Pezander: KaponoFor3: SpaceyCat: Ummm.... inequality is inequality. Doesn't matter if it's because of your race, gender, religion, or sexual preference, it's all bad.

It does to federal courts. Race, gender, religion are all have protected class status. Sexual orientation does not.

Same-sex marriage is a gender issue. Therefore it does concern protected classes.

No, it's a sexual deviancy issue.


Hate to point it out, but marriage =/= sex

// ask any married guy
 
2009-05-20 01:54:50 PM
murp0837: In regards to Gay Rights vs. Civil Rights, I would hope most of you can comprehend the difference between a behavior and a race.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!

Yes, hes won, gay = behaviour therefore they should have the rights of common criminals as their behaviour is clearly deviant.

/funny thing is, I thought we settled the whole "gay is not a choice" thing years ago....
//I hear rumours that parts of the internet near Rush Limbaugh are existing several years behind the rest, you see the density of rush limbaugh really farks with our perception of linear time
 
2009-05-20 01:55:12 PM
sonofslacker: Summing up:
discrimination bad, boobies good?


Amen.
 
2009-05-20 01:55:13 PM
Hide behind your holy book, hide behind your "special rights" bullshiat argument, hide behind your "Gay is not the new black" b.s. -- you're all just bigots. So sick of assholes like you trying to justify your "right" to tell me, as an individual, that I am less of a person that you are. Fark you.
 
2009-05-20 01:55:26 PM
SphericalTime:
It's a lot easier to support civil rights when you think that your group is getting something out of the legislation.

Whites were not by and large in favor of racial equality when it was being fought for by minorities.

Men were not by and large in favor of gender equality when women were fighting for it.

Now straight people aren't usually all that invested in sexual orientation equality.

Seems like a normal enough human reaction to me.


And it's the exact reason why at those points in time those equalities had to be forced on society through legislation, as does this one.
 
2009-05-20 01:55:37 PM
DROxINxTHExWIND: SynthLord: TsukasaK: Does this really surprise anyone?

Not this Farker.

I've long noticed that (much, certainly not all) civil rights rhetoric isn't about rights at all -- it's about privilege.


Give me a couple of these "privileges".


If you and me are equally qualified for a job and you're black and I'm white, you get the job.
 
2009-05-20 01:56:11 PM
The ONLY gay(happy) marriage I can think of is when both man and wife are happily married.
There is no other marriage.
The rest of so called marriages are civil contracts,nothing more;you know it,I know it.
 
2009-05-20 01:56:12 PM
drjekel_mrhyde: UNHbeta19: drjekel_mrhyde: Sorry but Gay is not the new Black
/Yeah and that's coming from a black person

yeah gays would probably make better parents (at least they would have a male figure around)

You mean like my daughter


And my son.
 
2009-05-20 01:56:22 PM
Being gay is not a Civil Right & for a lot of people it is a choice.

WTF?
Sorry, you need to think agai . . .


OH, egg on my face! You know? You'd think I'd be able to spot a troll by now.

*walks away sheepishly*

Carry on
 
2009-05-20 01:56:33 PM
I don't understand why people think this isn't a civil rights issue. If it wasn't, then why aren't they allowed to marry in a court by a Justice of the Peace? I guess I could understand if you make it a blindly religious ordeal with 'laws' stated in the Old Testament, but that shouldn't have anything to do with the courts.

/Seperation of church and state goes where?
 
2009-05-20 01:56:37 PM
SynthLord: Or Affirmative Action, which gives "minorities" "extra credit" over "non-minorities" based on skin color alone when all other qualifications are equal(ized)?

This shows that you don't understand Equal Protection, but have somehow misread it to believe that the government has to be blind to discrimination.
 
2009-05-20 01:56:45 PM
"We know what we have gone through as an ethnic group. We feel the terminology, the definition itself, has really been hijacked," he said. "Unfortunately, it's just another ploy to garner more support from people who may not understand what the civil rights struggle was all about."

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2009-05-20 01:56:50 PM
JasonThomasX:

No, all of those "reasons" are just fronts and masks for the actual reason: Racism and Bigotry.

If there were English speaking white people "sneaking in" from Canada nobody would have a problem with it. Nobody would be afraid that they were "Taking over".

I don't seem to recall our American society collapsing after the wave of European immigration back in the day. Nobody's trying to force us to learn German or Italian or Polish, are they?


One negative of illegal immigration is a sharp rise in tuberculosis and other diseases that had been more or less defeated in the US decades ago. Is TB racist?
 
2009-05-20 01:57:01 PM
Dr Dreidel: Nocens: Pezander: KaponoFor3: SpaceyCat: Ummm.... inequality is inequality. Doesn't matter if it's because of your race, gender, religion, or sexual preference, it's all bad.

It does to federal courts. Race, gender, religion are all have protected class status. Sexual orientation does not.

Same-sex marriage is a gender issue. Therefore it does concern protected classes.

No, it's a sexual deviancy issue.

Hate to point it out, but marriage =/= sex

// ask any married guy


but but but bbut... a marriage should produce children!

/beating the next one to the punch
//butt
 
2009-05-20 01:57:05 PM
Mija: It's not a right to be a sexual deviant that even God calls an abomination. Just like it's not a right to be a pedophile, a rapist or a necrophiliac. Sick is sick. Immoral is immoral.

One of the 10 commandments is keep the sabbath holy and punishment for working on it is death. Your righteous self best be throwing rocks at wallmart workers and police officers every week. Rules are Rules. God's law is God's law. You want to bring bronze age morality into this than you better start walking your walk. Sick and immoral is the household your parents brain washed you in.
 
2009-05-20 01:57:19 PM
Mija: Immor

I love how bible types claim to honor the bible, but are ignorant of how much they actually pick and choose.

The Bible condemns to death many different classes of sinners, including "he that blasphemeth the name of the Lord" (Leviticus 24: 10-16) and "whosoever doeth work" on the Sabbath (Exodus 35:2).

Yet I do not hear them asking for these laws.

Conservatives disregard Leviticus 25, which commands that we buy bondmen and bondmaids of the heathen around us and of strangers that sojourn in our land.

"And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen forever."

So the bible is pro death sentence and pro slavery but against two gays living as a loving dedicated couple.

You need a better religion. Try shopping around. I hear Buddhists aren't asshats.
 
2009-05-20 01:57:45 PM
I Said: If being gay was a choice then why the hell would I be straight? Women are completely impossible to deal with.

Damn right!

I wish I could catch the gay. I don't have my roommate storming into the living room with rage in his eyes because I left the cap off the toothpaste. He says, "Hey dude, I put the cap back on the toothpaste." No long argument about how I don't consider his feelings or how I am stifling him with my inconsiderate behavior. Just a subtle reminder to put the cap back on the toothpaste that was well received.
 
2009-05-20 01:57:56 PM
notauniquesnowflake: Second, the whole marriage thing isn't forcing people to choose not to be gay. It's just saying "no, you can't marry them." Just like it tells the polys "no, you can't marry more than one person."

The whole interracial marriage thing isn't forcing people to choose not to be in love with someone of a different race. It's just saying "no, you can't marry them." Just like it tells the polys "no, you can't marry more than one person.

/same shiat, different decade
 
2009-05-20 01:58:01 PM
If you look at it a certain way, being openly black is as much of a choice as being openly gay.

If you believe that in order to have the same social status as others, gay people should stop sleeping with the people they love and are attracted to, and live as if they were something they aren't, maybe you should consider bleaching your skin, hanging up a picture of a white couple where your parents' picture used to be, and heading down to a white church instead of the AME. We all have hard lifestyle choices to make, don't we?
 
2009-05-20 01:58:18 PM
skinink: I'm confused as to why any church would support gay marriage when the Bible says homosexuality is a sin? Seems like a non starter unless you can have all of those anti-gay passages removed.

The Bible also says that slaves should be humble and accept their position in life.

Anyway, the christian and muslim religions are the source of every modern form of bigotry. This story doesn't even raise an eyebrow.
 
2009-05-20 01:58:26 PM
drjekel_mrhyde: UNHbeta19: drjekel_mrhyde: Sorry but Gay is not the new Black
/Yeah and that's coming from a black person

yeah gays would probably make better parents (at least they would have a male figure around)

You mean like my daughter


That wasn't meant as something personal to you, just statistics are statistics.
 
2009-05-20 01:58:29 PM
Who the fark cares what the bible says.

There's a ton of different religions.

And these religions have different versions of the same bible.

Bibles are nothing more than old farking books with outdated, useless, old farking stories.

Any bible has just as much relevancy as hieroglyphics inside a pyramid in Egypt. Creation stories are fiction. ALL of them.
 
2009-05-20 01:58:52 PM
 
2009-05-20 01:59:26 PM
I Said: If being gay was a choice then why the hell would I be straight? Women are completely impossible to deal with.

This.

I almost wish I did like dudes. We would have a lot more in common and it would probably be a lot simpler. And I would already have known how to work the equipment.
 
2009-05-20 01:59:29 PM
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Negro Jesus Frowns Upon Your Gay Shennanagans
 
2009-05-20 01:59:36 PM
Aarontology

I know the church isn't required for marriage, I'm pro-gay marriage, I just understand why people will be reluctant to force churches to gay marry. I'm pro-gay marriage, and I think people who are anti-gay marriage are, well, retarded. In this day and age, its 2009 ffs.

Come on people, 2009 and you're still letting the ramblings of bronze age shepherds govern your thoughts.
 
2009-05-20 01:59:38 PM
foxo: The ONLY gay(happy) marriage I can think of is when both man and wife are happily married.
There is no other marriage.
The rest of so called marriages are civil contracts,nothing more;you know it,I know it.


All marriages are just legal contracts with binding joint benefits.

/God doesn't care.
//God didn't get your legal document.
///You shoulda went with FedEx.
 
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