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2009-05-20 02:37:25 PM  
DROxINxTHExWIND: You don't even have current reasons to dislike black people and you haven't thought the ones you hold through.

Who says I don't like black people? Where's that coming from?

I don't like or dislike any group. I like a person or not. I agree with his ideas, or I find them repugnant.

Painting me with a racist brush because I acknowledge that the holistic idea of reparations - including the antecedent concept of "giving" people a chance at the expense of others, based on skin color, a la Affirmative Action laws - is racist in nature.

There are indeed many people who believe that, by virtue of an accident of birth, they are due something that other people are not. That isn't equal rights -- it's racism.

And it ties back into the central theme of this thread: believing you have a right to marriage because you're heterosexual, but that homosexuals somehow don't, is the same kind of mentality. There is ample scientific evidence to support the notion that sexuality is partially determined by genetic make-up, which makes any attempt to discriminate against non-monogamous-heterosexuals in principle (if not in form) the same as racism.
 
2009-05-20 02:37:36 PM  
FTA Black church leaders who oppose moves to legalise same-sex marriage in New York have attacked gay campaigners for comparing the struggle for equality to the civil rights movement.

THIS. the Civil Righta movement was about discrimination based on Race; The Gay rights movement is based on a Lifestyle Choice.

Gay is not a Race.
 
2009-05-20 02:38:09 PM  
Thoguh: JasonThomasX: Thoguh: JasonThomasX:

No, all of those "reasons" are just fronts and masks for the actual reason: Racism and Bigotry.

If there were English speaking white people "sneaking in" from Canada nobody would have a problem with it. Nobody would be afraid that they were "Taking over".

I don't seem to recall our American society collapsing after the wave of European immigration back in the day. Nobody's trying to force us to learn German or Italian or Polish, are they?

One negative of illegal immigration is a sharp rise in tuberculosis and other diseases that had been more or less defeated in the US decades ago. Is TB racist?

A "Sharp rise of Tuberculosis" amongst who? White Americans or "dirty illegal immigrants"? Whose getting this TB? The Mexican immigrants or the American citizens?

So I guess now its "They're brown, they speak Spanish, AND they all have TB!"

Caring about public health is racist? I guess we better inform every public school in the nation that requiring vaccinations is racism. I cited a medical study documenting a 400% rise in TB cases in an area heavy with illegal immigrants and you are claiming that's racism?


without immigration our population would shrink, which would make our ecomony shrink (further) and we'd be Japan- mired in economic duldrums for 10+ years

Immigration and its societal effects, read up on it and turn off your radio
 
2009-05-20 02:38:31 PM  
libbynomore2: .....and yet after the Prop 8 vote the gay bullies and their kooky left wing friends in CA didn't have the stones to go after the black churches.....only the Mormons....


Remind me again how much the out-of-state Black churches spent on getting Prop 8 passed, compared to the LDS?
 
2009-05-20 02:39:05 PM  
JasonThomasX: mloree: shirtsbyeric: I'd rather pick cotton than get F'ed in the A

wanna come over to my place and do both?

I'd consider it, but your profile called me a "worthless son of a biatch" so I don't know.


you are. that's what you mean to me. now, back that ass up to daddy.
 
2009-05-20 02:39:21 PM  
SherKhan: . But thanks for the sentiment.

any time :)

The Icelander: And no, I won't get there with you. I'm going to Canada."

bwahhahaa nice
 
2009-05-20 02:39:24 PM  
ObscureNameHere: It's time to play FARKU-GAN!

FARKU-GAN brawl begin! Oppression Gate Card open!

DroxInxTHExWIND, stand!
Tatsuma, stand!
Daffydil, stand!
Peresopolis, stand!


You're funny...:) I think omma sit on the floor for this though...

/maybe
 
2009-05-20 02:39:26 PM  
wow DROx, usually you're the one calling me an ignorant racist. Never would have guessed there'd be a thread where it's the other way around.

/registered native american
//casino money? like 500 bucks a year baby!
 
2009-05-20 02:39:42 PM  
Thoguh: Babies with Rabies:
Not the same at all - illegal immigrants have the OPTION to come to this country legally, and they choose to not obey the laws. They would have the *very same thing* in terms of residence, if they went through the system and did their paperwork.

Gays, on the other hand, are denied the fundamental human right to the pursuit of happiness by being told that, unlike every other American, they are not allowed to marry the consenting adult of their choice.

I;m not saying that the two issues are the same, I'm saying that the way that their supporters paint them are the same. In the minds of those who support these issues, there is no middle ground, either you fully support them, or you are a bigot.

In my view I could care less what someone does in the bedroom with other consenting adults, but I don't see a difference in the arguments for gay marriage and for polygomy (between consenting adults). How can someone argue that limiting marriage to a man and a woman is discriminatory, but limiting it two only two people isn't? Not everything in the world is a civil right. I don't oppose gay marriage, I oppose being called a bigot because I don't think it's a civil rights issue.


Do you oppose other people having the same rights you do? If so, you must think they're something less than you. That would make you a bigot.

Also, you would need same-sex marriage legalized to make polygamous marriage possible. You can't do equalized polygamous marriage without it, in fact.
 
2009-05-20 02:39:53 PM  
Mongo cut wood: FTA Black church leaders who oppose moves to legalise same-sex marriage in New York have attacked gay campaigners for comparing the struggle for equality to the civil rights movement.

THIS. the Civil Righta movement was about discrimination based on Race; The Gay rights movement is based on a Lifestyle Choice.

Gay is not a Race.


So it's ok to discriminate against people as long as it's not about their race? Can we keep you from having children? I don't want someone who hasn't mastered the very simple capitalization rules of the English language to reproduce.
 
2009-05-20 02:40:02 PM  
Mongo cut wood: The Gay rights movement is based on a Lifestyle Choice.

Do you have to wake up every morning and choose not to go down on a guy?
 
2009-05-20 02:40:03 PM  
darkyn: don't really care what a judge has to say about psychology for the same reason that I generally don't care what a psychologist has to say about the finer points of case law. Try quoting people with actual backgrounds in the field.

Gay marriage advocates always say that you can't have voters deciding the gay marriage issue because that's tyranny of the majority. So I guess only judges get to decide. Well, judges have decided. According to binding US Supreme Court precedent, there is no federal constitutional right to a gay marriage.

So now I hear, who cares what judges say, psychologists get to decide. What it really boils down to is that the only people who should get to decide are the people willing to decide the issue your way.
 
2009-05-20 02:40:17 PM  
Cyberroo:
Because sex is a quasi-suspect class (and soon sexual orientation will be too, probably), but number is not. Thus the standard of justification is higher in the case of same-sex marriage than it is in the case of polygamy.

Plus, unlike with same-sex marriage, there actually are good reasons not to recognize polygamy.


I won't argue that, but why is one an immutable right and the other not? Either the state has the ability to define marriage how it sees fit, or it doesn't. You can't have it halfway.
 
2009-05-20 02:40:22 PM  
Theaetetus: It is constitutional for factors, such as skin color, religion, and gender, to be considered in government employment, acceptance to universities, etc., provided there is not a quota or automatic point system. Points can however be granted for these factors. This is well established law.

I don't know this by experience, but if indeed true, I find it primitive and disgusting.
 
2009-05-20 02:40:29 PM  
Theaetetus: DROxINxTHExWIND: Please point out where I said that, sweetie. Don't put words into my mouth. We were simply discussing (silly as it may be) who had been oppressed the most.

Is the answer 'women'?

/the condescending 'sweetie' was my clue


I happen to like Daffydil, so the "sweetie" wasn't condescending at all. Jebus, sometimes I see what the good ole' boys are talking about when they say Liberal men are pussies. We can't address women casually anymore?
 
2009-05-20 02:40:40 PM  
Mongo cut wood: The Gay rights movement is based on a Lifestyle Choice.

No doubt your advanced degree in psychology allows you to contradict the findings of the vast majority of mental health organizations and practitioners.
 
2009-05-20 02:41:06 PM  
Mongo cut wood: FTA Black church leaders who oppose moves to legalise same-sex marriage in New York have attacked gay campaigners for comparing the struggle for equality to the civil rights movement.

THIS. the Civil Righta movement was about discrimination based on Race; The Gay rights movement is based on a Lifestyle Choice.

Gay is not a Race.


Nor is it a lifestyle choice. When did you choose to be heterosexual and not homosexual?

I mean, you're the one claiming it as a choice. Obviously you chose at some point.
 
2009-05-20 02:41:23 PM  
Mongo cut wood: Lifestyle

For the edification of us all, could you please explain exactly what this lifestyle is?
 
2009-05-20 02:41:25 PM  
SkinnyHead: There is no federal constitutional right to a gay marriage. The equal protection clause does not require states to rewrite the definition of marriage to suit people's preferences.

Marriage is traditionally defined as the union of one man and one woman. If that's not your preference, don't enter into the institution of marriage.


"Tradition" is just a word for "Doing something because that's the way we've always done it", which is a silly reason to do something. Times change and just because "that's the way we've always done it" doesn't mean that's the only way you can do it.
 
2009-05-20 02:41:51 PM  
Daffydil: ObscureNameHere: It's time to play FARKU-GAN!

FARKU-GAN brawl begin! Oppression Gate Card open!

DroxInxTHExWIND, stand!
Tatsuma, stand!
Daffydil, stand!
Peresopolis, stand!

You're funny...:) I think omma sit on the floor for this though...

/maybe


Ok. You can go back to working the wash-down hose at the Farkette Pudding Production.

Daffydil plays an Ability Card! Substitute FARKU-GAN!

SirCharles, stand!
 
2009-05-20 02:42:00 PM  
mloree: Just wondering how someone can oppose gay rights without being homophobic. What's your reasoning then?

I was drawing my distinction the same way the people who say "I'm not homophobic because I have gay friends" do. I don't necessarily always define it that way, but that's what I was thinking when I said that.
 
2009-05-20 02:42:28 PM  
SpaceyCat: FTA:
"Unfortunately, it's just another ploy to garner more support from people who may not understand what the civil rights struggle was all about."

Ummm.... inequality is inequality. Doesn't matter if it's because of your race, gender, religion, or sexual preference, it's all bad.

The fact that you're against it because of your religious views is a choice on your part. You chose to believe in that religion and accept its close minded view of how things are "supposed to be", realize that people will call you a bigot for it and that you're preventing someone from having equal access.


Most women are unequal to most men in strength. A lot of men are unequal to women in having babies.

Doesn't matter...why.

It's all bad. MY EYES ARE OPEN NOW>

www.lifeinthefastlane.ca

What did you think of when you saw this pic? If you thought "lawyer or accountant", then you are safe. If you thought anything else, you're blinded by your hatred and or lust of solid, rock hard muscles.
 
2009-05-20 02:43:33 PM  
Somacandra: If we don't discriminate on the basis of religion or veteran status, immutability cannot logically be used as a qualifier in this discussion. At all. Period. End of story.

Immutability is one factor to consider, not an absolute prerequisite for protected class status. Immutability also doesn't mean "absolutely no conscious decision whatsoever." It means that choosing otherwise would require a fundamental redefinition of the person's feelings, thoughts, and philosophies.

In other words, yes, a religious person can "choose" to unsubscribe from their religion, but that would require such a drastic change to their worldview and even basic personality that it isn't considered strictly voluntary anymore.
 
2009-05-20 02:43:39 PM  
Mongo cut wood: FTA Black church leaders who oppose moves to legalise same-sex marriage in New York have attacked gay campaigners for comparing the struggle for equality to the civil rights movement.

THIS. the Civil Righta movement was about discrimination based on Race; The Gay rights movement is based on a Lifestyle Choice.

Gay is not a Race.


1/10. Obvious troll is obvious.

but i'll bite anyway.

I did not choose to like both the boobies and the cock. I just do.
 
2009-05-20 02:43:44 PM  
coco ebert: Meh, they'll get over it and come around. The tide is turning on this issue.

I really don't think so.
 
2009-05-20 02:43:47 PM  
70Ford:
What did you think of when you saw this pic?


I thought it was a shoop.
 
2009-05-20 02:44:01 PM  
Xythero: Gay marriage is just tying up loose ends for one particular group.

Until the next mental disorder is deemed socially acceptable.
 
2009-05-20 02:44:08 PM  
ZAZ: Black churches not fooled by PR campaign misusing phrase "civil rights."

This.
 
2009-05-20 02:44:09 PM  
SynthLord: Long post not addressing the question.


So, are you going to give me that black organization dedicated to receiving reperations?


/I'll wait
 
2009-05-20 02:44:19 PM  
Sigh...pointed out many times that there's no right to state recognition of gay marriage. Anyone who hasn't heard them can Google them. Just leave you with:

Race != Sex
 
2009-05-20 02:44:25 PM  
ravenlore: Mongo cut wood: FTA Black church leaders who oppose moves to legalise same-sex marriage in New York have attacked gay campaigners for comparing the struggle for equality to the civil rights movement.

THIS. the Civil Righta movement was about discrimination based on Race; The Gay rights movement is based on a Lifestyle Choice.

Gay is not a Race.

1/10. Obvious troll is obvious.

but i'll bite anyway.

I did not choose to like both the boobies and the cock. I just do.


See, that just makes you greedy. =p
 
2009-05-20 02:44:43 PM  
SkinnyHead: Gay marriage advocates always say that you can't have voters deciding the gay marriage issue because that's tyranny of the majority. So I guess only judges get to decide. Well, judges have decided. According to binding US Supreme Court precedent, there is no federal constitutional right to a gay marriage.

And yet state after state seems to be passing laws supporting equal access to marriage. Apparently, judges do not seem to view the situation the same way you do.

SkinnyHead: So now I hear, who cares what judges say, psychologists get to decide. What it really boils down to is that the only people who should get to decide are the people willing to decide the issue your way.

Judges decide laws. Psychologists research issues of the mind. They don't "decide" anything. I was asking for a citation to support the idea that homosexuality can be changed and you posted a quote from a judge. If I was asking about a point of law, such a posting would make sense. Otherwise, it is a simple Appeal to Authority.
 
2009-05-20 02:45:12 PM  
70Ford: SpaceyCat: FTA:
"Unfortunately, it's just another ploy to garner more support from people who may not understand what the civil rights struggle was all about."

Ummm.... inequality is inequality. Doesn't matter if it's because of your race, gender, religion, or sexual preference, it's all bad.

The fact that you're against it because of your religious views is a choice on your part. You chose to believe in that religion and accept its close minded view of how things are "supposed to be", realize that people will call you a bigot for it and that you're preventing someone from having equal access.

Most women are unequal to most men in strength. A lot of men are unequal to women in having babies.

Doesn't matter...why.

It's all bad. MY EYES ARE OPEN NOW>



What did you think of when you saw this pic? If you thought "lawyer or accountant", then you are safe. If you thought anything else, you're blinded by your hatred and or lust of solid, rock hard muscles.


If ever there was a post that deserved this:

jmsoul.files.wordpress.com
 
2009-05-20 02:45:28 PM  
SynthLord: Theaetetus: It is constitutional for factors, such as skin color, religion, and gender, to be considered in government employment, acceptance to universities, etc., provided there is not a quota or automatic point system. Points can however be granted for these factors. This is well established law.

I don't know this by experience, but if indeed true, I find it primitive and disgusting.


I'm sorry that you find our Constitution and American way of life primitive and disgusting. Perhaps Iran would be more to your liking?
 
2009-05-20 02:45:31 PM  
Sir Charles:

/registered native american
//casino money? like 500 bucks a year baby!


That's $500 more than any descendant of a slave receives.
 
2009-05-20 02:46:02 PM  
RevMercutio: ravenlore: Mongo cut wood: FTA Black church leaders who oppose moves to legalise same-sex marriage in New York have attacked gay campaigners for comparing the struggle for equality to the civil rights movement.

THIS. the Civil Righta movement was about discrimination based on Race; The Gay rights movement is based on a Lifestyle Choice.

Gay is not a Race.

1/10. Obvious troll is obvious.

but i'll bite anyway.

I did not choose to like both the boobies and the cock. I just do.

See, that just makes you greedy. =p


Not really. I didn't say i was actually GETTING either of them...
 
2009-05-20 02:46:23 PM  
mloree: notauniquesnowflake: mloree: SynthLord: DROxINxTHExWIND: Give me a couple of these "privileges".

How about the ongoing call for reparations, which makes people who have never been guilty of slavery compensate people who have never been slaves? All American slaves, and their owners, are dead.

Or Affirmative Action, which gives "minorities" "extra credit" over "non-minorities" based on skin color alone when all other qualifications are equal(ized)?

A key component of anti-racism is the realization that neither of us owe the other on the basis of anything but our choices, should we deal with one another, but certainly not by virtue of an accident of birth.

Wow, that's all you've got? Somebody asking for something (not a privilege) and Affirmative Action. Wow.

how many priviledges to the white people have?


Much more inhereted wealth
Better schools
Better Jobs
Better medical care
Live longer
etc.


if you can take off the self-serving lens you're looking through you'll see that one group really does have it better than the others.

Much more inhereted wealth--we EARNED it
Better schools--we PAY for them
Better Jobs--we EARNED them
Better medical care--we PAY for it
Live longer--because we don't go around shooting each other up, don't subsist on McDonalds, and actually educate ourselves
etc.

you earned inhereted wealth? That's a new one.

/sometimes it's like shooting rednecks in a mud pit


*sigh* No. It's a collective "we." My parents earned the inherited wealth instead of sitting around collecting welfare checks like your parents did.
 
2009-05-20 02:46:37 PM  
70Ford: What did you think of when you saw this pic? If you thought "lawyer or accountant", then you are safe. If you thought anything else, you're blinded by your hatred and or lust of solid, rock hard muscles.

I thought, "Huh, I'm not sure, but I think that may be Guell Park in Barcelona."

What does that say about me?
 
2009-05-20 02:46:49 PM  
mloree: notauniquesnowflake: mloree: SynthLord: DROxINxTHExWIND: Give me a couple of these "privileges".

How about the ongoing call for reparations, which makes people who have never been guilty of slavery compensate people who have never been slaves? All American slaves, and their owners, are dead.

Or Affirmative Action, which gives "minorities" "extra credit" over "non-minorities" based on skin color alone when all other qualifications are equal(ized)?

A key component of anti-racism is the realization that neither of us owe the other on the basis of anything but our choices, should we deal with one another, but certainly not by virtue of an accident of birth.

Wow, that's all you've got? Somebody asking for something (not a privilege) and Affirmative Action. Wow.

how many priviledges to the white people have?


Much more inhereted wealth
Better schools
Better Jobs
Better medical care
Live longer
etc.


if you can take off the self-serving lens you're looking through you'll see that one group really does have it better than the others.

Much more inhereted wealth--we EARNED it
Better schools--we PAY for them
Better Jobs--we EARNED them
Better medical care--we PAY for it
Live longer--because we don't go around shooting each other up, don't subsist on McDonalds, and actually educate ourselves
etc.

you earned inhereted wealth? That's a new one.

/sometimes it's like shooting rednecks in a mud pit


Hey, keeping in Grandpa's good graces is hard work! ;-)
 
2009-05-20 02:47:14 PM  
Mayhem of the Black Underclass: I thought we were going to keep this on the DL?

You better quit before you spark an R.Kelly remix.
 
2009-05-20 02:48:01 PM  
DROxINxTHExWIND: Sir Charles:

/registered native american
//casino money? like 500 bucks a year baby!

That's $500 more than any descendant of a slave receives.


Why should they receive anything? what did they do to earn it?
 
2009-05-20 02:48:11 PM  
I'm African-American and as a kid my parents insisted on taking us to (Baptist) church on Sundays. It was around this time that Anita Bryant's campaign had reved up to full throttle and one Sunday the preacher said that he didn't understand what all the fuss was about because Ms. Bryant "was just doing the Lord's work". And I remember - more feeling than thinking - "No....thats just not right...."

/Never could really get into church after that.
//Course I wasn't exactly devout before then.
///Church was a time for me to catch up on my sleep.
 
2009-05-20 02:48:16 PM  
DROxINxTHExWIND: I happen to like Daffydil, so the "sweetie" wasn't condescending at all. Jebus, sometimes I see what the good ole' boys are talking about when they say Liberal men are pussies. We can't address women casually anymore?

I took no offense and understood...

/wait
//where's my $500.00?
 
2009-05-20 02:48:16 PM  
canyoneer: DROxINxTHExWIND: "Ask Sitting Bull what the profits were for the casino this last quarter. Then, ask him about living on his own land inside of America, making up his own laws."

Half a millennium after Columbus misnamed them, American Indians are the poorest people in the United States.

The country's 2.1 million Indians, about 400,000 of whom live on reservations, have the highest rates of poverty, unemployment and disease of any ethnic group in America. That might surprise Americans who have consumed countless cheery feature stories about Indians making big bucks on casino gambling. Some tribes - like the Mashantucket Pequots of Connecticut, who own Foxwoods, the country's largest casino - have indeed gotten very rich. But less than a quarter of America's 557 Indian tribes own casinos, and only 48 tribes earn more than $10 million a year on gaming. Far more typical than Foxwoods is Prairie Wind, the casino on the Pine Ridge reservation - a gambling hall made of three trailers, located far from any urban market, earning barely $1 million a year for the Oglala Sioux.

Now, Native Americans remain at the bottom in almost every measurable economic category. Indians earn only a little more than half as much money as the average American -- less money per capita than whites, blacks, Asian Americans and Hispanics. Nearly a third of Native Americans live in poverty, which is more than twice the rate for Americans in general. And Indians are far more liable to succumb to diseases associated with the poor -- four times as likely to die of alcoholism, three times as likely to die of tuberculosis, nearly twice as likely to die of diabetes. (new window)

The American Indian Holocaust, know as the "500 year war" and the "World's Longest Holocaust In The History Of Mankind And Loss Of Human Lives." (new window)

American Holocaust - Pestilence and Genocide - Sex, Race and Holy War (new window)


LOL. So black people are doing bad in America because of a lack of desire to take personal responsibility, but Native Americans are in poverty because of White oppression? Yeah, ok.
 
2009-05-20 02:48:30 PM  
gilgigamesh: 70Ford: What did you think of when you saw this pic? If you thought "lawyer or accountant", then you are safe. If you thought anything else, you're blinded by your hatred and or lust of solid, rock hard muscles.

I thought, "Huh, I'm not sure, but I think that may be Guell Park in Barcelona."

What does that say about me?


It makes you sound like a furriner.
 
2009-05-20 02:49:14 PM  
SkinnyHead: According to binding US Supreme Court precedent, there is no federal constitutional right to a gay marriage.

Eh, except not so much. Usually it's only the first years who read too much into dicta, but I guess that a GED in Law doesn't really take you past a first year education.
 
2009-05-20 02:49:15 PM  
i71.photobucket.com
 
2009-05-20 02:49:43 PM  
RevMercutio: furriner.

Is that like a German tourist dressed like a squirrel?
 
2009-05-20 02:49:52 PM  
HighOnCraic: I think the point was that awareness increased substantially after the TV age, not that people didn't know at all before then, and the images of Southern police turning fire hoses on protesters shocked the rest of America.

I'm not trying to start an argument or anything, but you do realize that the media did not broadcast most of what was going on. Only through archival footage over a decade later was anyone seeing this stuff on television. Racism in the South has been honed to a fine art, and they knew full well that if the "liberal" media got a hold of what was going on, there was no way they could justify what was happening. On top of that, only the "big" stories garnered media attention, like the Woolworth sit in, the school segregation issue, and even Marcus Garvey. But the random lynchings, beatings, shootings, rapes, property destruction, child molestation, church burnings and a plethora of other community activities didn't get any media attention.

When Dr. King was shot in Memphis, then the world microscope turned to the South regarding racism.

For the record, "Equality for All" DOES include EVERYONE. Marriage is NOT a Constitutional Right, unlike equal employment, right to reside wherever one wishes, practice any religion one chooses, right to bear arms, freedom of speech, etc. NOWHERE in the Constitution does it state that one religious group gets to set the rules for everyone else. In fact, in MY history books, the entire reason the so called Founding Fathers invaded ... er ... "discovered" this country was to escape religious persecution.
 
2009-05-20 02:51:02 PM  
notauniquesnowflake: mloree: notauniquesnowflake: mloree: SynthLord: DROxINxTHExWIND: Give me a couple of these "privileges".

How about the ongoing call for reparations, which makes people who have never been guilty of slavery compensate people who have never been slaves? All American slaves, and their owners, are dead.

Or Affirmative Action, which gives "minorities" "extra credit" over "non-minorities" based on skin color alone when all other qualifications are equal(ized)?

A key component of anti-racism is the realization that neither of us owe the other on the basis of anything but our choices, should we deal with one another, but certainly not by virtue of an accident of birth.

Wow, that's all you've got? Somebody asking for something (not a privilege) and Affirmative Action. Wow.

how many priviledges to the white people have?


Much more inhereted wealth
Better schools
Better Jobs
Better medical care
Live longer
etc.


if you can take off the self-serving lens you're looking through you'll see that one group really does have it better than the others.

Much more inhereted wealth--we EARNED it
Better schools--we PAY for them
Better Jobs--we EARNED them
Better medical care--we PAY for it
Live longer--because we don't go around shooting each other up, don't subsist on McDonalds, and actually educate ourselves
etc.

you earned inhereted wealth? That's a new one.

/sometimes it's like shooting rednecks in a mud pit

*sigh* No. It's a collective "we." My parents earned the inherited wealth instead of sitting around collecting welfare checks like your parents did.


That was a joke I'm just too stupid to get, right?

Right?
 
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