Big_Doofus: idrow: tax exemptions for religious organizations under Virginia law include an exemption from paying unemployment taxes.

"I had no idea that there would not be any benefits for me after leaving my job," she said.

Translation: "I don't pay taxes but still want all the benefits."
Good luck with that, Churchy La Femme.

Where is your God now?

I've got news for you numbnuts. She did pay her taxes, it's the religious organization that didn't. That's how it works. The civilian employees (non ministerial) have to pay taxes at a regular rate, just like you and I. It is the organization that gets a pass on the unemployment taxes which is a bunch of crap. It is funny that these religious organizations make such a big deal out of helping others, but won't help their own people.

No, No, the money the church saved by not paying taxes should have trickled down to the employees and they should have been so wealthy as to not need any government assistance, isn't that right?

TheBlackFlag: Pay no money into the system, receive no money from it.


done.

bush: But at least I'm not hypocritical enough to subscribe to a religion that preaches being a good person over material wealth and devoting my life to spread the gospel, then being pissed when I don't have a job or money. That kind of negates any superiority one might have, and does a good job of knocking one of their high horse. "Good Christian?" Show me a good Christian with a big home, nice car, and sizable retirement fund, and I'll have sex with a farm animal.

No religion mentioned in the article says you should be happy when you are ripped off or don't get something you expect.

If you have read the article the first example was a woman who worked for a jewish temple, what jews do you know that spread the gospel?

There are plenty of good reasons to have a bone to pick with organized religion, but I am guessing those reasons are a little above your head.

0Icky0: cryinoutloud: Because Mormon families take care of their own

Take care? You mean...(finger pointed at head....)?

Don't we wish...

maxheck: This is actually rather sad given that the people getting shafted here are the working stiffs, not the people driving Cadillacs with "Clergy" plates.

This right here. The lady is getting shafted by her employer. It happens all the time but because the word "religious" is involved people decide to turn the thread into "Ha ha lady had it coming for holding down a job and supporting herself by working at the most evil organization since Wal-Mart, a synagogue."

"So, scoff if you will, but there is a reason why you dont see too many poor Mormons."

Actually, there are lots of poor Mormons, albeit mostly from non-mainstream sub-sects. They're a huge financial drain on some communities.

Odd how having more children than you can support leads to poverty...

it sucks to be jew!

moonscatter: And not everyone who works for a religious organization IS religious. The director of programs at my children's after school program (which is at a church) is atheist, for example.

I'm calling bullshiat. I was passed over for a job at a Christian TV station even though I was overqualified because I refused to state I was a Christian. The guy who got the job was fresh out of high school with no experience or training in television. Of course he was fresh out of a nice Christian private school and a hardcore Christer...

I went to the EOE about it, but apparently religious organizations are the only organization in the entire country that are allowed to discriminate when hiring legally.

Why don't churches pay taxes? I've argued with people about it for years and heard almost every excuse you can imagine, but never have found out why they actually don't pay.

BTW - If she'd been working for the Church of Satan or any of hundreds of heathen Kindreds, she'd be getting benefits. We all pay our taxes voluntarily.

/heathens have better booze, less rules
//and we pay our damn taxes

If watching bad '80s comedies taught me nothing else (and it hasn't), can't they just put on a wacky bikini carwash or a bake sale where they try to sell pot brownies or else spoil some function at one of the popular churches (maybe by building a garbage-flinging catapult or something) and in the end they'd all get their jobs back and all the "cool" religious workers at the local megachurch would end up looking foolish and everyone would learn a big lesson and have a good laugh and maybe one of the most nebbish laid off workers would finally score with some hot chick and then at the very end there'd be a singing gopher or something?

liam76: There are plenty of good reasons to have a bone to pick with organized religion

Why should we give a break to disorganized religion?
They should have a system to their madness!

bush: On a related note, this guy's a dick:

Which guy? The douche that looks like an elongated Tim Allen or the tranny standing next to him?

liam76: bush: But at least I'm not hypocritical enough to subscribe to a religion that preaches being a good person over material wealth and devoting my life to spread the gospel, then being pissed when I don't have a job or money. That kind of negates any superiority one might have, and does a good job of knocking one of their high horse. "Good Christian?" Show me a good Christian with a big home, nice car, and sizable retirement fund, and I'll have sex with a farm animal.

No religion mentioned in the article says you should be happy when you are ripped off or don't get something you expect.

If you have read the article the first example was a woman who worked for a jewish temple, what jews do you know that spread the gospel?

There are plenty of good reasons to have a bone to pick with organized religion, but I am guessing those reasons are a little above your head.

I didn't RTFA.

Welcome to FARK.

'Bout time there's some justice for religion. Churches already get enough of my money without my permission. Can't get everything, guys.

Mayah, they don't deserve to suffer just because they work for a religious organization. But that doesn't mean they're entitled to free money either.

MissDementia: Why don't churches pay taxes? I've argued with people about it for years and heard almost every excuse you can imagine, but never have found out why they actually don't pay.

Because you would have believers of one faith assessing and levying taxes on the property of an antagonistic faith. A faith they might consider coming straight from the devil.
Just imagine what a can of worms that would open.

And if they paid taxes, the government could tell them who they could hire, who they could fire, who they could marry, who they should be allowed to divorce.

Headaches and acrimony all around.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHHAAHHAH!

When you lie with dogs, expect to get up with fleas.

theknuckler_33: ciocia: Do you laugh hearty when plants close after union workers have been taking pay and benefit cuts for years, and the management makes the same shiatty decisions, and products don't sell? Or the plant is moved to Asia, where people can be paid a wage that doesn't support a person in this country? There really is no hate like fark hate.

[citation needed]

Like these cuts and these while building new plants elsewhere?. Never happens.

MissDementia: Why don't churches pay taxes? I've argued with people about it for years and heard almost every excuse you can imagine, but never have found out why they actually don't pay.

BTW - If she'd been working for the Church of Satan or any of hundreds of heathen Kindreds, she'd be getting benefits. We all pay our taxes voluntarily.

/heathens have better booze, less rules
//and we pay our damn taxes


Marry me

/heathen

MissDementia: Why don't churches pay taxes?

The argument I get is separation of church and state. "Congress shall make no law" blah blah. It's a shiat argument, but that's the argument.

Personally, I believe they can't have their cake and eat it too. No Christian PACs, no endorsement of ANY politics, etc. If you want to try to pass laws about alcohol sales, gambling, abortion, sex education, biology teaching, etc., then you have to pay your farking taxes. You don't get to have a say in the government unless you pay your fair share. "Render unto Caesar" and all that...

Dances-With-Lobster: Churches already get enough of my money without my permission.

This intrigues me. Churches get none of my money because I choose not to participate. Unless you are saying they get everyone's money by way of being tax exempt.

MissDementia: Why don't churches pay taxes? I've argued with people about it for years and heard almost every excuse you can imagine, but never have found out why they actually don't pay.


Because if they paid taxes they would have a right to get involved in politics

. . . oh wait

NewHere: AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHHAAHHAH!

When you lie with dogs, expect to get up with fleas.

Confucious say Man who go to bed with itchy asshole wake up with smelly finger.

There is justice after all.

I think all religious institutions should be taxed, both income and property taxes, and all back taxes since the beggining of their inception be collected. No reason I should pay property tax on my parcel of land and churches don't.

shirtsbyeric: 0Icky0: mtylerjr: So, scoff if you will, but there is a reason why you dont see too many poor Mormons.

I see a lot of geeky ones though.

The ones I see can't even afford cars, they ride around on bikes and they're cheap bikes too.

Makes it easy to throw a stick in their spokes.

jso2897: cptdon: All churches that employ people should have to pay the payroll tax for unemployment or they should have to clearly inform their potential employees that they will not be able to claim unemployment if they are released. This is the negligence of the employer and it is kinda wrong to make fun of the employee in this case.

"Rabbi Howard Mandell of Temple Emanuel said the synagogue was unaware of the Virginia tax law at the time of the layoff."

I am not a huge fan of Catholicism but they seem to be doing it right,

"The Catholic Diocese of Richmond has a voluntary self-insurance arrangement with the state that allows laid-off workers to file for unemployment. If the claim is accepted, the state bills the diocese for the amount of the benefits collected by the recipient."

Lots of you Godless Farkers seem to be having fun making fun of someone who lost their job just because it was with a church I dig that, because I laugh a hearty chuckle when ever some union hacks auto plant gets shut down. The employee is clearly not in the wrong here.

It's not religion in and of itself that people are scoffing at here - it is the hypocrisy of religion. If you don't perceive the difference, it is because you don't want to. I understand that, in the religious mind, any criticism of the glaring faults that people of faith display is "persecution" - but nobody else is buying that narrative.

Reading a vast number of the post in this thread and seeing their content I would say you are the naive one here but I see your point with some of the other post. I see no persecution here, I see an uncaring employer who should pay out the severance himself and start paying into the unemployment insurance pool.

jsobota: maxheck: This is actually rather sad given that the people getting shafted here are the working stiffs, not the people driving Cadillacs with "Clergy" plates.

This right here. The lady is getting shafted by her employer. It happens all the time but because the word "religious" is involved people decide to turn the thread into "Ha ha lady had it coming for holding down a job and supporting herself by working at the most evil organization since Wal-Mart, a synagogue."

You're right, of course, and I am not without any sympathy for these people - but, shiat.......how fusking stupid can you be?
These people worked, many of them for YEARS, for organisations that they knew damn well didn't pay any taxes. Did it never OCCUR to them, not even in some moment of idle musing, that this might provide any complications for them somewhere down the road? Did such a suspicion never so much as cross their minds? Because if it didn't, I'd be willing to venture an opinion that not a hell of a lot else has, either.
There has to be a limit to how foolish people can be and still get much sympathy. I can say that "I'm sorry" about what happened to these folks, and that would be the truth - but, face it, this is largely a catastrophe of their own making. One does have some basic obligation to look after one's own interests, and not simply assume that others have it covered - especially when there is good and obvious reason to question that.

buzzard682: Here, let me push over, you can have a seat with the self employed who can't find work!

/except we DID have to pay taxes
//Including unemployment

Amen.

Talk to your state. Texas residents can get unemployment if self-employed depending on the circumstances.

Simple solution:
Stop tax exemption for these businesses.

cptdon: I see no persecution here, I see an uncaring employer who should pay out the severance himself and start paying into the unemployment insurance pool.

Thank you very much. Put much better than I could.

...is amused by your shenanagins!

From all the testimonials I've endured about tithing, tt seems that a large number of people benefit from tithing because it forces people to become financially disciplined. If you're going to voluntarily pay up 10% of income after taxes then you need to sit down and see what you actually make a week. Then you see how much less you have to spend if you're going to make good on your committment. IF you can stomach that you probably start figuring out ways to cut back on your spending to keep what little money you have left over and start trying to figure out how you can bring home more. Just what I've seen in people who tell me about the financial miracles that tithing has done for them.

amanogowa: Simple solution:
Stop tax exemption for these businesses.

It is not a tax exemption issue it is an unemployment insurance issue.

isobane: ...is amused by your shenanagins!

Meh, he drinks and he'd pull an ass out of a pit on the sabbath. fark him.

cptdon: amanogowa: Simple solution:
Stop tax exemption for these businesses.

It is not a tax exemption issue it is an unemployment insurance issue.

Dude's still got a point. Churches should pay taxes.

Abstruse: moonscatter: And not everyone who works for a religious organization IS religious. The director of programs at my children's after school program (which is at a church) is atheist, for example.

I'm calling bullshiat. I was passed over for a job at a Christian TV station even though I was overqualified because I refused to state I was a Christian. The guy who got the job was fresh out of high school with no experience or training in television. Of course he was fresh out of a nice Christian private school and a hardcore Christer...

I went to the EOE about it, but apparently religious organizations are the only organization in the entire country that are allowed to discriminate when hiring legally.

Well, they are able to discriminate. A lot of religious groups don't, though. Most churches are pretty much of the mind that anyone can worship with them, work for them, or whatever as long as they are qualified for the job and aren't actively opposing the religion. My dad worked for years at a Catholic school as a teacher (he's Congregationalist), and I, a Buddhist, was offered a janitorial job at a Methodist church (didn't take it-- no benefits and not enough pay, but it was a shiat job anyway).

I've noticed the evangelist Christians are more with-us-or-against-us in their hiring, as are the small little ethnic churches. But most really are cool with anyone as long as you aren't actively opposed to their faith.

themirth: From all the testimonials I've endured about tithing, tt seems that a large number of people benefit from tithing because it forces people to become financially disciplined. If you're going to voluntarily pay up 10% of income after taxes then you need to sit down and see what you actually make a week. Then you see how much less you have to spend if you're going to make good on your committment. IF you can stomach that you probably start figuring out ways to cut back on your spending to keep what little money you have left over and start trying to figure out how you can bring home more. Just what I've seen in people who tell me about the financial miracles that tithing has done for them.

lol

Abstruse: cptdon: amanogowa: Simple solution:
Stop tax exemption for these businesses.

It is not a tax exemption issue it is an unemployment insurance issue.

Dude's still got a point. Churches should pay taxes.

Thank you. All businesses need to pay the same taxes, it's only equitable.

ajgeek: Here, let me push over, you can have a seat with the self employed who can't find work!

/except we DID have to pay taxes
//Including unemployment

I know someone who is a paster, they get a 1099 from the church and have to pay all the same taxes as you. I'm not sure if they pay unemployment or not but sounds like this state decided pasters didn't need unemployment insurance.. .. shrugs :/

When we see "Christians" actually living and preaching like Jesus...

Even a blind man could see the hypocrisy of most modern Churches: inclusive settings shielding them from the pain and suffering that exists in this world. Intolerance towards those living alternate lifestyles. Supporting the continuation of vengeance and destruction instead of love.

Any non-believer can open the bible and read for themselves the style that Jesus was communicating to his followers and to those who would listen to him. And they would naturally look at most mainstream Christian religious organization and wonder why they aren't practicing from the very book they claim to follow.

Abstruse: I'm calling bullshiat. I was passed over for a job at a Christian TV station even though I was overqualified because I refused to state I was a Christian. The guy who got the job was fresh out of high school with no experience or training in television. Of course he was fresh out of a nice Christian private school and a hardcore Christer...

I went to the EOE about it, but apparently religious organizations are the only organization in the entire country that are allowed to discriminate when hiring legally.

So you htink you got screwed out of a job, so every other person in th eUS who works for a religious organization must be part of that religion?

Ok...

Abstruse: cptdon: amanogowa: Simple solution:
Stop tax exemption for these businesses.

It is not a tax exemption issue it is an unemployment insurance issue.

Dude's still got a point. Churches should pay taxes.

I don't have time to explain why I feel you are right and wrong, damned real world.

MindStalker: ajgeek: Here, let me push over, you can have a seat with the self employed who can't find work!

/except we DID have to pay taxes
//Including unemployment

I know someone who is a paster, they get a 1099 from the church and have to pay all the same taxes as you. I'm not sure if they pay unemployment or not but sounds like this state decided pasters didn't need unemployment insurance.. .. shrugs :/

Well, to be fair, it's not like even when employed, they did any real work, so unemployment just means they have more free time to get a real job.

mtylerjr: Now, I realize how this sort of statement will be viewed by the average farker, but the reason I pay tithing (10% of my income) in the first place, is because I have been convinced over the years (by my own trial and error experience) that paying tithing does in fact increase my overall income, by much more than what I pay in tithes. It's not just that this is a princible taught in scriptures, but it is one I have empircally tested, and that seems to work very well.

Obviously, there is no "proof" that my increased financial "blessings" come because of the tithing, but I believe it does - and hey - why fix it if it isnt broken.

So, scoff if you will, but there is a reason why you dont see too many poor Mormons.

Ha
Haha
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Sorry dude, I lived in Ogden for many years. There's PLENTY of poor Mormons. And I don't mean down on your luck, I mean can't manage money for shiat poor.

Nice try though, you just keep paying for that magic underwear and eventually I'll find out who's right, right?

Maybe if they pray really hard, the state might give them unemployment benefits after all.

liam76: Abstruse: I'm calling bullshiat. I was passed over for a job at a Christian TV station even though I was overqualified because I refused to state I was a Christian. The guy who got the job was fresh out of high school with no experience or training in television. Of course he was fresh out of a nice Christian private school and a hardcore Christer...

I went to the EOE about it, but apparently religious organizations are the only organization in the entire country that are allowed to discriminate when hiring legally.

So you htink you got screwed out of a job, so every other person in th eUS who works for a religious organization must be part of that religion?

Ok...

Funny, I didn't read that in the post you were replying to...