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(Huffington Post)   Former Senator and Intel Committee Chair Bob Graham says his datebooks show the CIA never conducted 3 out of the 4 briefings they claimed to have given him; and never mentioned waterboarding at the other one   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 332
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2009-05-16 11:38:06 AM
Nothing Sweeter Than Redneck Tears: you can say that of the whole human race.


True.

Still, implying CIA caused all this is intellectually dishonest.
 
2009-05-16 11:38:46 AM
Magorn: ) HE HAS WRITTEN PROOF: HAND-written Proof, in the form of datebooks in the possession of a third party (U-Fla) in which he obsessively recorded ever detail of his life for the last twenty years.

Wait a sec.

Your expecting proof to have an effect on republicans.

Reality doesn't mean anything to them so why should proof. They went down to humiliating defeat twice in a row rather than allow reality to enter into their sphere.
 
2009-05-16 11:42:18 AM
rewind2846: TheBigJerk: As do Bridget pics.

Did you just make the whole thread gay? Because you know... everybody's gay for Bridget...
/lulz


I can't take credit for making this thread gay.
 
2009-05-16 11:43:02 AM
Phil Herup: Nothing Sweeter Than Redneck Tears: you can say that of the whole human race.


True.

Still, implying CIA caused all this is intellectually dishonest.


i see the cia as being like al bundy...they try and try at something new each episode, but it always ends up screwing them in the end.
 
2009-05-16 11:44:42 AM
Terrified Asexual Forcemeat: ...SHUT...UP...LIBBYNOMORE2...YOU...COCKcoont...

Libby's a woman. And a ball of self-righteous outrage. People like her are why we just laugh at the right wing now.
 
2009-05-16 11:49:02 AM
Interesting, I am quite certain Libbynomore2 has made references to his/her being a father before.

Mind you, with a trolling career as long a that, it's hard to keep track of ALL your lies.

Just ask Wintergodofusa.whilecom, formerly known as McCaindemocrat, Danlpoon, TGoT, and a crapload more I can't even remember.

/I'm traveling.
 
2009-05-16 11:52:22 AM
VultureTX: Well no Bob was not briefed those other times. He was invited to briefings that did occur. And sometimes (just like Pelosi said happened in Feb '03) one of his aides attended the briefings.

Now why is Porter Goss not being asked for his notes?


Wrong. totally absolutely and incontrovertibly WRONG.

The CIA admitted the BRIEFINGS DID NOT OCCUR. And the part about his aides going is pure ignorant fantasy since the ground rules for these briefing is that they were so secret, no Aides could be present, no notes could be taken, and those briefed could not even inform other members of the intelligence committees.
 
2009-05-16 12:03:09 PM
Magorn: -and My personal favorite "all that means is that Graham couldn't be bothered to attend to the other briefings-meaning he was a lazy and disinterested Intel Committee Chief" (Even though the CIA itself confirmed THE BREIFINGS NEVER HAPPENED)

Not to mention that such a claim doesn't even make sense given his track record. We're talking about one of the few senators who actually read the intelligence reports before the Iraq war, if he did more than most there, why would we assume that he's suddenly blowing off important meetings?
 
2009-05-16 12:11:03 PM
Old GOP talking point: "Yeah Bush/Cheney did torture and break the law but NANCY PELOSI DID NOTHING TO STOP THEM"

New GOP talking point: "Bob Graham is crazy cause only crazy people write down everything they do every minute of the day. Plus all politicians lie but NANCY PELOSI DID NOTHING TO STOP THEM."

Pathetic and cowardly at the same time. Olympia Snowe must love all this mysogonistic hate from her party.
 
2009-05-16 01:20:41 PM
libbynomore2: bonerici Quote 2009-05-16 02:43:55 AM
republicans pretend Bob Graham doesn't exist. it has worked so far. I mean if you only watch fox news it works.


After 9-11 I kept a complete diary in my spiral notebook and I know for a FACT that Bob Graham and Nancy Pelosi are BOTH lying about what they knew or what they claim the didn't know about the techniques the CIA used to extract info from our enemies to stop future attacks.....

my spiral notebook is no less valid than Democrat HACK Graham.....and since Pelosi has had like NINE different stories in 4 days I'm pretty confident that she's a colossal LIAR who should resign.....

but hey you keep defending this liar and fraud.....makes you look SO credible....


Settle down there Sparky. Your making it hard for your meds to do their job. The anger you're feeling isn't real. It's just the vestiges of 8 years of Republican hell rattling around in your head. Since the CIA NEVER LIES, what they say must be true, right?
Don't worry. A few years of sane government will calm your nerves. Just lay off the Fox and Rush, that stuff is exacerbating your delusions.
Now, breathe slowly (thru your nose AND mouth) and lie down for a while.
 
2009-05-16 01:22:09 PM
Phil Herup: Nothing Sweeter Than Redneck Tears: They are worse than responsible for the Taliban... al Quaeda....


Not really. Their murderous ways and hate goes back eons.


How wrong can one man be? Tamil Tigers founded 1976, Taliban 1980s, Al Queda late 1980s.
 
2009-05-16 01:25:38 PM
I can honestly say that I don't care who's lying at this point. I trust Pelosi as much as I trust the CIA. She needs to be taken down a few rungs, if not have the ladder pulled out from under her entirely.
 
2009-05-16 01:31:58 PM
feckingmorons: So writing down every meal every day for decades is normal?

Hell no it isn't what "normal" people do, but it is what someone who wants an accurate record of past events does. If make a habit of keeping such records, it can save your ass.

My uncle was a school principal. He repeatedly disciplined one of his teachers, and then tried to have the teacher fired. The teacher went to the union, and said my uncle was only keeping diary records on that particular teacher, because of some type of prejudice. My uncle went to the teacher's hearing, and brought with him ten years worth of daily diaries that recorded the substance of all his meetings. The judge immediately dismissed the "prejudice" portion of the termination.
 
2009-05-16 01:40:51 PM
Kazuya: How wrong can one man be? Tamil Tigers founded 1976, Taliban 1980s, Al Queda late 1980s.



Don't confuse the founding of the organizations with the culture that spawns them.


How much hand holding do you need?


The groups names change throuout history, but he people do not.
 
2009-05-16 02:17:53 PM
If it turns out that the CIA was deliberately misrepresenting the dates and content of its briefings, there really should be jail time involved for those who perpetrated the lying.

Not that there will be, but there should be.


Kind of like charging 3 times the amount for plumbing to keep getting those blue stubbies? Now, lying, and the CIA, that's common knowledge, kindergarten kids know that. You question them about plugs, or pluggings, and they'll refer to tampons.
 
2009-05-16 03:03:14 PM
I kind of love it when senior Congressmen of both parties confirm that the CIA lies to you. Every schizoid hobo in America was right all along. WAKE UP sheeple!!

I think we're pretty darn awake there cowboy, thanks for the bluntly obvious, or blunt blow to the head.
 
2009-05-16 03:09:18 PM
First Nanci Pelosi caught in a lie about her CIA briefings.

More Democraps caught in their lies and doing what they can to do damage control.

Democrats were perfectly aware and condoned everything that was going on. Only when it became politically unpopular, did they reject it and deny any knowledge of it.

Wake up Liberals, your Politicians are lying to you, were lying to you then and are lying to you now.
 
2009-05-16 03:11:59 PM
Gotta love it how politicians use the "No Recollection" excuse when they get backed into the corner and their lies catch up with them.
 
2009-05-16 03:23:11 PM
todangst: 2) When the evidence is given to you, attack the person for having no life - what kind of loser spends all his time actually spending the time to back up what they say?

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/except for that 18 minutes... that must have been a briefing by the CIA
 
2009-05-16 03:53:36 PM
It's pretty farking nuts that congress is "allowed" to take notes at CIA briefings
 
2009-05-16 04:11:09 PM
Magorn

so are you saying Pelosi is lying when she said that at the Feb 2003 briefing that she did not attend but her AIDE did was how she was informed of waterboarding.

I am all for you calling Pelosi a liar, I applaud you for it.

Pelosi's own words "Five months later, in February 2003, a member of my staff informed me that the Republican chairman and the Democratic ranking member of the Intelligence Committee had been briefed about the use of certain techniques which had been the subject of earlier legal opinions. Following that briefing, a letter raising concerns was sent to CIA general counsel,"

And Senator Graham only said he was not briefed (ie no briefing of the Graham by the CIA) , not that his aide had not been attending those briefings. Hate to tell you but many senior aides actually have TS clearance.
 
2009-05-16 04:17:54 PM
propasaurus: If I'm going to believe anyone it's Bob Graham.

I came here to say this. Graham was always one of the most stand-up senators Florida ever had, and I'd be hard pressed to not believe him.
 
2009-05-16 04:47:16 PM
verbaltoxin: Terrified Asexual Forcemeat: ...SHUT...UP...LIBBYNOMORE2...YOU...COCKcoont...

Libby's a woman. And a ball of self-righteous outrage. People like her are why we just laugh at the right wing now.


A woman, you say?

farm4.static.flickr.com

Eyebleach standing by...
 
2009-05-16 06:39:31 PM
This is the dork in the Viagra commercial who is dropped off with his old bag on an island. The boat has Viagra.com on the side. I'd love to see Somali Pirates hijack the boat and stick a gun barrel up his poop deck.

www.viagra.com
 
2009-05-16 06:40:34 PM
got to lay off the pills
 
2009-05-16 07:33:43 PM
Pocket Ninja: If it turns out that the CIA was deliberately misrepresenting the dates and content of its briefings, there really should be jail time involved for those who perpetrated the lying.

Not that there will be, but there should be.


now is a time for reflection, not retribution.

we must move forward, not backward, upward not forward,
and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom.
 
2009-05-16 08:33:26 PM
scotth: While you farktards rail each other about some BS story in the Huffington Post of all places, our enemies laugh at our willingness to devour each other over politics.

We are still at war.

We are falling into the hands of our enemies, and few realize it.


Concern troll is concerned
 
2009-05-16 10:49:02 PM
One must admit, it makes good theater while Congress goes about its business with no one looking.
 
2009-05-17 02:04:34 AM
Senator Bob Graham:
"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." - December 8, 2002


Democratic hopefuls seek traction on issue of security; Bob Graham joins voices saying Bush is failing to safeguard the homeland. - May 9, 2003 Link (new window)
 
2009-05-17 02:13:20 AM
Showdown Iraq: Interview With Bob Graham

Aired November 12, 2002 - 12:28 ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

WOLF BLITZER, CNN ANCHOR: Joining us now from the U.S. Capitol Hill is Senator Bob Graham, the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee.
Senator Graham, thanks for joining us.

SEN. BOB GRAHAM (D-FL), INTELLIGENCE CHAIRMAN: Thank you, Wolf.

BLITZER: Tell our viewers why you're so concerned that the FBI may not have done enough over these past 14 months to get ready for a possible terror attack.

GRAHAM: Wolf, I'm concerned, first, the fact that the head of the CIA has said that there is a 75 percent or greater likelihood that there will be terrorist attacks inside the United States at the point that our war against Saddam Hussein puts him into a position that he's about to be toppled from power.

I'm concerned about the fact that we may be ready to initiate that war within 60 days, between now and mid-January.

Third, that since 1999, the FBI has had the responsibility of developing a comprehensive strategic plan on international terrorists inside the U.S. That plan is not yet completed.

I think there's a lack of urgency, there's a lack of focus on the critical nature of this. You've just run film clips showing what several nations in Europe are doing in preparation for the possibility of an escalation of terrorist attacks. We need to be initiating those same kinds of measures here, and particularly a very aggressive effort to identify, determine the number and the capabilities of international terrorist cells in the United States, and roll them up, dismantle them before they can hit us.

BLITZER: This is a shocking indictment, Senator Graham, of the FBI right now. Is Director Mueller to blame? What's going on?

GRAHAM: Well, I believe in the military adage that if the ship hits the rocks, it's the captain of the ship's responsibility. There should be accountability. But right now is not the time to be pointing fingers of blame.

Right now is the time to be initiating the most aggressive actions within the United States to identify terrorist cells and deal with them here by deportation, detention or surveillance, and to begin to attack their headquarters overseas, particularly in the Middle East where they are getting their support, their money, their logistics, their planning, and where the phone call will come from telling them to attack.

BLITZER: When you say, attack their headquarters in the Middle East, could you be more specific, and tell us precisely what you mean? Military action?

GRAHAM: If necessary, absolutely. And let me say, I'm concerned that every time we talk about this, we talk about al Qaeda as being the enemy. Frankly, al Qaeda is not only not the only international terrorist group, it's not the most competent international terrorist group. The most competent is Hezbollah, and Hezbollah is operating training camps in Iran, in Syria, and in the Syrian-controlled areas of Lebanon, where they are pouring out the next generation of terrorists.

We learned a lesson in Afghanistan of what it means to let those sanctuaries go un-assaulted. We need to be taking those camps out. We need to be sending a very powerful signal to Hezbollah, Hamas, Islamic jihad, as well as al Qaeda, because all of those groups have significant presence inside the United States of trained terrorists waiting for the call to action.

BLITZER: Well, let's get back to the whole issue of the FBI per se. The attorney general, John Ashcroft, the FBI director, Robert Mueller, they insist that they have taken enormous steps over these past 14 months to get the U.S. back on track to try to fight terrorism. But you're saying they haven't done nearly enough.

GRAHAM: Absolutely, and the head of the CIA at the last public hearing we had of our joint inquiry into the tragedy of September 11, said that our state of vulnerability today was as great as, maybe more than it was in the weeks before September 11. So, I would take from that that we haven't made the kind of progress that we need in terms of taking down these international terrorist cells inside the United States and their headquarters abroad that we need for the basic protection of the people of the United States of America.

BLITZER: And one final question, Senator, before I let you go. Would it make any difference if there was a new Department of Homeland Security, which the president, of course, wants?

GRAHAM: No, for two reasons. The FBI is not going to be part of that Department of Homeland Security; nor will the CIA.

And second, I don't think we have the time in the next 60 days to be moving organizational charts around. We need to be in the most aggressive mode to determine where these cells are in the United States, how many there are, what can we do to deport, detain or put under surveillance those individuals. We need to learn by penetrating these cells, what their intentions and what their specific training capabilities are.

And then over there, we need to have our Defense Department initiating attacks against the terrorist groups, in addition to al Qaeda and against al Qaeda outside of Afghanistan that represent the greatest threat to the people of the United States here at home.

BLITZER: Senator Bob Graham, thanks so much for joining us.

GRAHAM: Thank you.

BLITZER: Senator Bob Graham of Florida, the chairman of the Intelligence Committee, clearly concerned that if the U.S. takes steps against Iraq in the next 60 days, there could be terrorist strikes against the United States. Senator Graham, thanks very much for joining us. Link (new window)
 
2009-05-17 02:37:04 AM
zefal

GRAHAM: "Well, I believe in the military adage that if the ship hits the rocks, it's the captain of the ship's responsibility. There should be accountability. But right now is not the time to be pointing fingers of blame."

www.screw-paypal.com


BLITZER: Well, let's get back to the whole issue of the FBI per se. The attorney general, John Ashcroft, the FBI director, Robert Mueller, they insist that they have taken enormous steps over these past 14 months to get the U.S. back on track to try to fight terrorism. But you're saying they haven't done nearly enough.

GRAHAM: Absolutely, and the head of the CIA at the last public hearing we had of our joint inquiry into the tragedy of September 11, said that our state of vulnerability today was as great as, maybe more than it was in the weeks before September 11. So, I would take from that that we haven't made the kind of progress that we need in terms of taking down these international terrorist cells inside the United States and their headquarters abroad that we need for the basic protection of the people of the United States of America.



/enough said
 
2009-05-17 04:45:55 PM
libbynomore2: the Liberals and Democrats were more concerned with the " rights " of those who were responsible for the murder of 3000 American citizens


Those rights are what define America. Anyone can vow revenge...your 'islamofascists' do it every day. Hypocrites who seek to abandon our fundamental principles when things get rough are the ones weakening our country.
 
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