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(Huffington Post)   Former Senator and Intel Committee Chair Bob Graham says his datebooks show the CIA never conducted 3 out of the 4 briefings they claimed to have given him; and never mentioned waterboarding at the other one   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 332
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2009-05-16 01:05:57 AM
Do "normal" people run around documenting every little thing? No, for good reason.

Would *I* document every little thing for myself instead of relying upon the accounts of others if I was a US Senator? FARK YES.

I'm actually surprised it isn't more common.
 
2009-05-16 01:06:09 AM
Well fortunately Drudge will post this story as a headline on his website shortly and clear up the whole mess for the confused republicans. Right?
 
2009-05-16 01:07:15 AM
While you farktards rail each other about some BS story in the Huffington Post of all places, our enemies laugh at our willingness to devour each other over politics.

We are still at war.

We are falling into the hands of our enemies, and few realize it.
 
2009-05-16 01:09:27 AM
Prospero424:
For its part, the CIA lost all credibility on the issue of torture/waterboarding when they destroyed the tapes back in 2005. They may as well have just hung a sign on the door reading "yes, we have something to hide, please investigate us".


THIS. I kind of wondered that as well... if what you were doing was right and lawful, why the the feck would you destroy the very evidence that proved what you were doing was right and lawful... unless it wasn't...
 
2009-05-16 01:09:57 AM
Kurmudgeon: "Just said that keeping diaries of your daily activities is a bit odd."

Apparently you've never been in business, keeping a small diary to make sure you stay on track and have done everything you set out to do isn't unusual at all.
Also, lots of people use these things called notepads, you may want to check into that.....



The guy writes down what he has for every meal. That is a bit more unusual than keeping contemporaneous notes of important meetings and tasks.

Read the 1994 Time magazine article about the guy where he mentions it. I have though he was a bit odd since I read that.

Even that evil right wing Slate magazine derides him for his granola for breakfast journals.

If you like being the Bob Graham apparatchik live it up.
 
2009-05-16 01:10:30 AM
scotth: While you farktards rail each other about some BS story in the Huffington Post of all places, our enemies laugh at our willingness to devour each other over politics.

We are still at war.

We are falling into the hands of our enemies, and few realize it.


OMG, they had no idea the GOP*ssies and the Socialist Democrats hate eachother? AND they read Fark?

God, this is horrible. We need to delete everything in the politics tab! HURRY!
 
2009-05-16 01:11:54 AM
Whew! I was worried about Nancy. I would have felt better about the whole thing if she would have just went with her current story instead of the other two or three that she tried out first.

As long as I get to hear more Sara Palin like ramblings while looking at Sara Palin like knockers Im happy.
 
2009-05-16 01:12:48 AM
scotth: While you farktards rail each other about some BS story in the Huffington Post of all places, our enemies laugh at our willingness to devour each other over politics.

We are still at war.

We are falling into the hands of our enemies, and few realize it.


We fell into the hands of our enemies on day f*cking one. We played right into their hands as soon as we responded to terror attacks with... wait for it... terror. When we began curtailing liberties in the name of security, and questioned the loyalty of all who wouldn't fall in lockstep. When we started a completely optional war for profit and redoubled their recruiting ability overnight. When we threw away all moral authority and replaced it with indefinite incarceration and torture.

That ship has long sailed, friend. The terrorists won, and your government all but handed them the victory.
 
2009-05-16 01:14:49 AM
feckingmorons: I'll try to make it simple for you because you obviously don't understand even the most basic sentences.

Actually, I've proven that my grasp of english is stronger than yours, and also, I've caught you out trying to twist the fact of what you yourself said, barely up the thread, which *really* calls into question what basis you have to judge honesty.

Here, I'll make it easy for you, just cut and paste the following.

"Oops, I guess what I said could be construed as calling Graham a liar. That wasn't my intention."
 
2009-05-16 01:15:31 AM
scotth:
While you farktards rail each other about some BS story in the Huffington Post of all places, our enemies laugh at our willingness to devour each other over politics.
We are still at war.
We are falling into the hands of our enemies, and few realize it.


Easy warlock, you're not on a raid in kalimdor right now.
 
2009-05-16 01:17:41 AM
Antonio_Talibanderas: feckingmorons: Kumana Wanalaia: feckingmorons: You got it right with "Impugning his faculties." You see I said right before that "Yeah, that's normal," not yeah, that is truthful.

Um, hello, crackhead?

That's not what I bolded.

Read it again.

feckingmorons: Where did I say he was a liar?

Yeah, that's normal. Whatever he says must be spot on.

I bolded it for you. Maybe you didn't realize you had the Sarcasm Lock key set, but that could read anywhere from impugning his faculties to questioning his honesty.

You sure you want to get into this pissing match, already down two points and with the whole thread laughing at you?

I'll try to make it simple for you because you obviously don't understand even the most basic sentences.

I think Bob Graham is nuts.
I don't think he lied.
I think he truly believes what he says.

Pelosi lies worse than a third grader. Her story changes more often than I change my shorts. She is not the only politican who lies, the vast majority of them do. Some do it better than others.

Down two points? Hmmm, I didn't know scores were being kept. I must be down more than the TARP bail out since I don't toe the liberal apologist line here on Fark.

Take another half dozen points off for just saying liberal apologist. (damn now 12)

To be clear, you are accusing Pelosi of lying about something that Bob Graham confirmed as accurate. Pelosi's version - though not communicated in an articulate way - was not dishonest.

You really need to just stop and think about why you feel like this is the appropriate place to go on and on about how big of a liar Pelosi is.. This thread is not the place.

Clearly you have an ax to grind. That's fine. But doing it here makes you look like a whining child.


I said Bob Graham is a wierdo because he has written down his every meal for decades.

I said Pelosi lied because she said she was not briefed, then she said she was briefed but not they told her they were not currently using waterboarding, then it became some other parsing of her previous statement. I am tired of politicians - all politicians- couching everything they say and not being frank with us. I don't want to have to have a lawyer explain the meaning of every word to me when our elected representatives speak to us. Republican, Democrat, Communist, Fascist - I don't care who I just want someone who can speak plainly and mean what they say.

You people are arguing about the meaning of the phrase spot on that I used earlier. The plain reading of spot on means correct, since I used it sarcastically it can be understood to mean not correct, but that is far from a lie, although a lie would be included in something that is not spot on, so would my description of what I think the weather in Reykjavík is right now ( a balmy 17c if I recall correctly).


Fark is not the place for some discussion? Good lord what do you think Fark is? Somebody is a wee bit unbalanced I fear.
 
2009-05-16 01:24:02 AM
feckingmorons: Kurmudgeon: "Just said that keeping diaries of your daily activities is a bit odd."

Apparently you've never been in business, keeping a small diary to make sure you stay on track and have done everything you set out to do isn't unusual at all.
Also, lots of people use these things called notepads, you may want to check into that.....


The guy writes down what he has for every meal. That is a bit more unusual than keeping contemporaneous notes of important meetings and tasks.

Read the 1994 Time magazine article about the guy where he mentions it. I have though he was a bit odd since I read that.

Even that evil right wing Slate magazine derides him for his granola for breakfast journals.

If you like being the Bob Graham apparatchik live it up.


You have heard of Twitter... right? Are you aware of the lengths people go to twitter every damn thing they think or do? How is this any different? Other than it was pen & paper.
 
2009-05-16 01:24:06 AM
Pocket Ninja: If it turns out that the CIA was deliberately misrepresenting the dates and content of its briefings, there really should be jail time involved for those who perpetrated the lying.

Not that there will be, but there should be.


As of today that would now include Leon Panetta.

/gonna need lots o' popcorn for this show
 
2009-05-16 01:25:10 AM
Kumana Wanalaia: feckingmorons: I'll try to make it simple for you because you obviously don't understand even the most basic sentences.

Actually, I've proven that my grasp of english is stronger than yours, and also, I've caught you out trying to twist the fact of what you yourself said, barely up the thread, which *really* calls into question what basis you have to judge honesty.

Here, I'll make it easy for you, just cut and paste the following.

"Oops, I guess what I said could be construed as calling Graham a liar. That wasn't my intention."



How you misinterpret my writings is beyond my control.

If your grasp of the language was so superior you probably would have gone to the trouble of capitalizing English.

I know I make typographical errors and have corrected them when they have been brought to my attention, however I don't tell people my grasp of the language is superior to theirs.

If the sentence you wrote above with five commas and two asterisks is any evidence of your superiority I bow down to your indisputable linguistic prowess.
 
2009-05-16 01:26:33 AM
feckingmorons:
Fark is not the place for some discussion? Good lord what do you think Fark is? Somebody is a wee bit unbalanced I fear.


Fark is a great place for discussions. This thread, however, is not the place to be calling Pelosi a liar. But go ahead and be a drama queen some more. I need to practice rolling my eyes.
 
2009-05-16 01:26:49 AM
"You people are arguing about the meaning of the phrase spot on that I used earlier. The plain reading of spot on means correct, since I used it sarcastically it can be understood to mean not correct, but that is far from a lie, although a lie would be included in something that is not spot on"

translation:

"What I said could be construed as calling Graham a liar"
 
2009-05-16 01:27:32 AM
GardenWeasel: feckingmorons: Kurmudgeon: "Just said that keeping diaries of your daily activities is a bit odd."

Apparently you've never been in business, keeping a small diary to make sure you stay on track and have done everything you set out to do isn't unusual at all.
Also, lots of people use these things called notepads, you may want to check into that.....


The guy writes down what he has for every meal. That is a bit more unusual than keeping contemporaneous notes of important meetings and tasks.

Read the 1994 Time magazine article about the guy where he mentions it. I have though he was a bit odd since I read that.

Even that evil right wing Slate magazine derides him for his granola for breakfast journals.

If you like being the Bob Graham apparatchik live it up.

You have heard of Twitter... right? Are you aware of the lengths people go to twitter every damn thing they think or do? How is this any different? Other than it was pen & paper.


No, it is not significantly different from Twitter. However he has been doing it for decades before Twitter, he is an adult, he recorded every meal, and frankly most people stop using Twitter in a few weeks.

I think people that Twitter every daily activity are nuts too, and remarkably self absorbed. So in that since it is quite like twitter.
 
2009-05-16 01:29:03 AM
I didn't know that about Bob Graham. The Maddow segment about it was hilarious.

"8:00-8:10 Update notebook."
 
2009-05-16 01:29:22 AM
feckingmorons:

No, it is not significantly different from Twitter. However he has been doing it for decades before Twitter, he is an adult, he recorded every meal, and frankly most people stop using Twitter in a few weeks.


You should call him and let him know that he is doing something that bothers you.
 
2009-05-16 01:30:14 AM
Kumana Wanalaia: You sure you want to get into this pissing match, already down two points and with the whole thread laughing at you?

Oh PLEASE let him keep responding! I am still laughing! He keeps digging deeper and deeper, and it gets funnier and funnier.
 
2009-05-16 01:30:17 AM
True Value: We Tortured To Justify The War In Iraq - Let That Settle In

www.dictionary.com -
noun
1. the act of inflicting excruciating pain, as punishment or revenge, as a means of getting a confession or information, or for sheer cruelty.
2. a method of inflicting such pain.
3. Often, tortures. the pain or suffering caused or undergone.
4. extreme anguish of body or mind; agony.
5. a cause of severe pain or anguish.

While not pleasant (I'm sure) I don't accept the claim that waterboarding is torture. Extreme, yes. But not torture. Now let that sink in.
 
2009-05-16 01:30:31 AM
This whole mess proves the Republicans still don't get it. They are feeling the heat, so they're trying to drag the Democrats down with them. What they don't understand is that for those of us who oppose torture, we don't care if you take down Pelosi. We have this crazy notion that torture isn't a partisan issue and that everyone responsible should be held to account.
 
2009-05-16 01:31:22 AM
Antonio_Talibanderas: feckingmorons:
Fark is not the place for some discussion? Good lord what do you think Fark is? Somebody is a wee bit unbalanced I fear.

Fark is a great place for discussions. This thread, however, is not the place to be calling Pelosi a liar. But go ahead and be a drama queen some more. I need to practice rolling my eyes.


Hmmm, did the CIA actually conduct briefings that Rep. Pelosi can't seem to recall that Sen. Graham relates he has contemporaneous notes of such briefings that agree with the Speaker's position?

Well discussing Speaker Pelosi's possible prevarication seems spot on for this thread.

If you see something different in the Fark user manual please tell me the page number, I may not have the most current version.
 
2009-05-16 01:32:16 AM
feckingmorons: I don't tell people my grasp of the language is superior to theirs.

No, you just say that I "obviously don't understand even the most basic sentences."

How you misinterpret my writings is beyond my control.

Say what you mean, mean what you say. It helps.
 
2009-05-16 01:32:19 AM
Bugs_Bunny_Practiced_Psychological_Warfare: skinnycatullus: TheBigJerk: the 13th bong

Sounds like a Judd Apatow horror film.

Nah. That's too amusing for Judd Apatow to even conceive.


I expected such a joke, but I persevere.

As do Bridget pics.

i75.photobucket.com

I *do* hope a full investigation of torture and punishment of those complicit occurs...
 
2009-05-16 01:35:44 AM
Kumana Wanalaia: feckingmorons: I don't tell people my grasp of the language is superior to theirs.

No, you just say that I "obviously don't understand even the most basic sentences."

How you misinterpret my writings is beyond my control.

Say what you mean, mean what you say. It helps.


The fact that basic sentences are not understood is not an opinion. That one feels they have a superior command of the language most assuredly is. I simply stated a fact.

Again you misinterperet what I write. Why is it that leftists, such as Sen. Pelosi and yourself have an unusual to parse every sentence into its components rather than considering the totality which allows one to understand the plain meaning of a sentence.
 
2009-05-16 01:35:55 AM
pauly1620: True Value: We Tortured To Justify The War In Iraq - Let That Settle In

www.dictionary.com -
noun
1. the act of inflicting excruciating pain, as punishment or revenge, as a means of getting a confession or information, or for sheer cruelty.
2. a method of inflicting such pain.
3. Often, tortures. the pain or suffering caused or undergone.
4. extreme anguish of body or mind; agony.
5. a cause of severe pain or anguish.

While not pleasant (I'm sure) I don't accept the claim that waterboarding is torture. Extreme, yes. But not torture. Now let that sink in.


The dictionary definition you quoted, the Navy Seals, federal law, international law, and the United States government after WWII all disagree.

/And call you stupid.
//no wait, that's me.
 
2009-05-16 01:37:08 AM
pauly1620: True Value: We Tortured To Justify The War In Iraq - Let That Settle In

www.dictionary.com -
noun
1. the act of inflicting excruciating pain, as punishment or revenge, as a means of getting a confession or information, or for sheer cruelty.
2. a method of inflicting such pain.
3. Often, tortures. the pain or suffering caused or undergone.
4. extreme anguish of body or mind; agony.
5. a cause of severe pain or anguish.

While not pleasant (I'm sure) I don't accept the claim that waterboarding is torture. Extreme, yes. But not torture. Now let that sink in.


So, do you simply not know what waterboarding does to people, or are you engaging in willful ignorance? Because I've yet to hear from anyone with any direct experience with waterboarding who couldn't immediately and unhesitatingly say it was torture.
 
2009-05-16 01:37:15 AM
mediablitz: Kumana Wanalaia: You sure you want to get into this pissing match, already down two points and with the whole thread laughing at you?

Oh PLEASE let him keep responding! I am still laughing! He keeps digging deeper and deeper, and it gets funnier and funnier.


I'd love to keep entertaining you but I have to be at the gym in 26 minutes.

Have a lovely night everyone.
 
2009-05-16 01:38:17 AM
scotth: While you farktards rail each other about some BS story in the Huffington Post of all places, our enemies laugh at our willingness to devour each other over politics.

We are still at war.

We are falling into the hands of our enemies, and few realize it.


Our 'enemies' are the Republicans. I can think of no greater threat to the nation. No, I'm not kidding.
 
2009-05-16 01:38:27 AM
feckingmorons: mediablitz: Kumana Wanalaia: You sure you want to get into this pissing match, already down two points and with the whole thread laughing at you?

Oh PLEASE let him keep responding! I am still laughing! He keeps digging deeper and deeper, and it gets funnier and funnier.

I'd love to keep entertaining you but I have to be at the gym in 26 minutes.

Have a lovely night everyone.


Nicely done.
 
2009-05-16 01:40:19 AM
pauly1620: True Value: We Tortured To Justify The War In Iraq - Let That Settle In

www.dictionary.com -
noun
1. the act of inflicting excruciating pain, as punishment or revenge, as a means of getting a confession or information, or for sheer cruelty.
2. a method of inflicting such pain.
3. Often, tortures. the pain or suffering caused or undergone.
4. extreme anguish of body or mind; agony.
5. a cause of severe pain or anguish.

While not pleasant (I'm sure) I don't accept the claim that waterboarding is torture. Extreme, yes. But not torture. Now let that sink in.


Have you ever been waterboarded? If not, how in the world can you make such an argument?
 
2009-05-16 01:40:48 AM
pauly1620: While not pleasant (I'm sure) I don't accept the claim that waterboarding is torture. Extreme, yes. But not torture. Now let that sink in.

Then you don't accept the laws of the nation, and the world.
 
2009-05-16 01:42:21 AM
feckingmorons: feckingmorons: Again you misinterperet what I write. Why is it that leftists, such as Sen. Pelosi and yourself have an unusual to parse every sentence into its components rather than considering the totality which allows one to understand the plain meaning of a sentence.

Down a hall of years,
sounds call to my ears,
nomenclature of words,
subject, object, verb.
 
2009-05-16 01:42:34 AM
Alphax: scotth: While you farktards rail each other about some BS story in the Huffington Post of all places, our enemies laugh at our willingness to devour each other over politics.

We are still at war.

We are falling into the hands of our enemies, and few realize it.


Our 'enemies' are the Republicans. I can think of no greater threat to the nation. No, I'm not kidding.


I agree, but I think we need to clarify what this means. There is the desire to threaten this nation, and there is the ability to do so. Foreign terrorists have considerably more of the first, but much less of the second.

Or to put it another way, Al Qaeda wants us to literally die and suffer, but their resources don't allow them to actually do so very much or very often. Whereas Republicans just want to exploit this country for their own benefit, but they've got enough power, even now, to have a very good chance of doing so.

Also there's a difference of intention. Al Qaeda actually intends to do this country harm, whereas most rank-and-file Republicans, I think, sincerely think they're helping.
 
2009-05-16 01:45:28 AM
rewind2846: THIS. I kind of wondered that as well... if what you were doing was right and lawful, why the the feck would you destroy the very evidence that proved what you were doing was right and lawful... unless it wasn't...

That's what the whole controversy centers around, but the question of whether or not the CIA should face even theoretical repercussions for violating the law just isn't considered a worthy one by the "serious" major media.

Tit-for-tat beltway gossip is, apparently, FAR more important.

The simple fact that no reasonable person can deny is that the CIA (or at least certain factions within CIA leadership under Bush) was obviously worried about being subjected to lawful, Constitutional oversight on the issue of torture. They took steps to deliberately destroy evidence of their actions. And I'm quite sure the destruction of the tapes we all heard about in 2005 did NOT constitute the full extent of that effort. We'll simply never know.

And now we're supposed to buy the sanctimonious arguments of ass-covering Bush-era bureaucrats like Porter Goss simply because they've once again hid behind the "national security" excuse that we KNOW they've abused over and over and over again over the past decade?

The CIA themselves, often at Bush's order, compromised the security of the United States by deliberately allowing their "product" to be twisted, warped, massaged, and just plain lied about to the American people. They were, symbolically, given a medal for their complicity and their silence in allowing it to continue.

THEY compromised the security of the United States by allowing their agency to become corrupted. Yet they, apparently, take NO responsibility for this; blaming everyone else for their lack of credibility.

Now they've allowed themselves to be once again drawn into a position of corruption by a grasping, desperate Republican Party. And we're supposed to believe that their motivations have absolutely no stain of political self interest and ass covering?

How stupid do they think we are?

Yes, Pelosi deserves to be blasted for, at the very least, trying to use the torture issue for partisan political advantage when the Democrats under her leadership were absolutely SPINELESS when it came to the corruption of the CIA.

But that doesn't mean we should all just forget the main point, which was that the CIA was farking corrupted. Torture is only part of that.
 
2009-05-16 01:45:43 AM
Mithiwithi: Alphax: scotth: While you farktards rail each other about some BS story in the Huffington Post of all places, our enemies laugh at our willingness to devour each other over politics.

We are still at war.

We are falling into the hands of our enemies, and few realize it.

Our 'enemies' are the Republicans. I can think of no greater threat to the nation. No, I'm not kidding.

I agree, but I think we need to clarify what this means. There is the desire to threaten this nation, and there is the ability to do so. Foreign terrorists have considerably more of the first, but much less of the second.

Or to put it another way, Al Qaeda wants us to literally die and suffer, but their resources don't allow them to actually do so very much or very often. Whereas Republicans just want to exploit this country for their own benefit, but they've got enough power, even now, to have a very good chance of doing so.

Also there's a difference of intention. Al Qaeda actually intends to do this country harm, whereas most rank-and-file Republicans, I think, sincerely think they're helping.


Agreed.
 
2009-05-16 01:47:11 AM
bulldg4life: GAT_00: Yeah, but datebooks can be falsified.

Did you miss the part where the CIA corrected themselves and agreed with the politician?


No actually reading articles are for liberals.
 
2009-05-16 01:47:18 AM
pauly1620:
www.dictionary.com -
noun
1. the act of inflicting excruciating pain, as punishment or revenge, as a means of getting a confession or information, or for sheer cruelty.
2. a method of inflicting such pain.
3. Often, tortures. the pain or suffering caused or undergone.
4. extreme anguish of body or mind; agony.
5. a cause of severe pain or anguish.

While not pleasant (I'm sure) I don't accept the claim that waterboarding is torture. Extreme, yes. But not torture. Now let that sink in.


You don't think being tied up, blindfolded and repeatedly drowned is agony?
We punished japanese soldiers in WWII for doing it.
We punished american soldiers in Vietnam for doing it.
Why is it acceptable now?
/you're sunk
 
2009-05-16 01:48:23 AM
RminusQ
I didn't know that about Bob Graham. The Maddow segment about it was hilarious.

"8:00-8:10 Update notebook."


I just watched that! That was my favorite part too! I snorted.
 
2009-05-16 01:50:02 AM
TheBigJerk: As do Bridget pics.

Did you just make the whole thread gay? Because you know... everybody's gay for Bridget...
/lulz
 
2009-05-16 01:53:01 AM
Nancy Pelosi seems a lot more credible now.

I wonder why Republicans are going after her? Everything they do to redefine her negatively - and I've read Republicans, frustrated, making this point themselves - just bounces off of her because she has the invincible Power of Italian Grandma.
 
2009-05-16 01:59:10 AM
The vice president of the United States may have tortured people so that he could get false "evidence" to support the Iraq war.

I know on Fark we have a lot of partisan arguments, but this goes beyond the normal political back and forth.

Both sides should demand to know the truth and not stand for this.


Think are you going to be someone who will help cover this up? Cover up torture to give false evidence for a war?

Stop being so partisan and think about the morality.

Think are you a person who will just stick to your politics or will you stand up for a moral outrage?


I mean this could be something truly disgusting in the history of the US.

Lots of people talk about politicians being vile or horrible on here, but we might be talking about someone torturing people to give them political coverage.

This is real war crimes stuff and that's not hyperbole!


This is not a game.
 
2009-05-16 02:02:22 AM
Obama MUST have this investigated by an independent council!

We must know if Cheney was having people tortured to get justification for the Iraq war.
 
2009-05-16 02:03:32 AM
Corvus: Lots of people talk about politicians being vile or horrible on here, but we might be talking about someone torturing people to give them political coverage.

This is real war crimes stuff and that's not hyperbole!


This is not a game.


Agreed. This is why I've gotten very, very angry in some of the recent Torture threads here.
 
2009-05-16 02:03:38 AM
yeah, and because FORMER Democrat HACK Senator Bob Graham ( who so many of you fark fails haven't the FIRST CLUE who he is ) claims he wrote some crap down in his spiral notebook....it simply MUST be true and accurate!!!!

Damn you people are idiots!!!!!


But then, you already knew that.....you were just hoping no one else would notice!!!!

Yeah, well...you fail was total and complete!!!!!
 
2009-05-16 02:06:20 AM
12:06 am, 16 May 2009.

Posted inane comment to Fark.com.

I thought it was brilliant. Later realized not so much brilliant as redundant. Tried to avoid hitting "add comment" button, failed to.

Still regret it.
 
2009-05-16 02:08:32 AM
Corvus: Obama MUST have this investigated by an independent council!

We must know if Cheney was having people tortured to get justification for the Iraq war.


I think we know it already, we just don't have rock solid proof. But the way Cheney is going, he'll likely admit it soon.
 
2009-05-16 02:09:09 AM
libbynomore2: yeah, and because FORMER Democrat HACK Senator Bob Graham ( who so many of you fark fails haven't the FIRST CLUE who he is ) claims he wrote some crap down in his spiral notebook....it simply MUST be true and accurate!!!!

Damn you people are idiots!!!!!


But then, you already knew that.....you were just hoping no one else would notice!!!!

Yeah, well...you fail was total and complete!!!!!


Oh look, the little ball of hate is back. Pray for any more terrorist attacks to hit lately, miss hatemonger?
 
2009-05-16 02:13:49 AM
I guess what we can take from all of this is that in the HOURS after the 9-11 attacks.....the Liberals and Democrats were more concerned with the " rights " of those who were responsible for the murder of 3000 American citizens....than the protection of future victims.....remember, all of this pissing and moaning is what our leaders were thinking between 2001 and 2003......apparently Pelosi and her left wing friends want us to believe that at that time they cared more about the rights of the terrorists who were trying to kill us than the Americans they were trying to kill.......

facts are facts...
 
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