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(Detroit Free Press)   Wave of recent closures are forcing remaining Chrysler dealers to "get creative" when it comes to staying in business. Somehow, "stop selling Chryslers" didn't warrant consideration   (freep.com ) divider line
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2009-05-15 10:30:38 AM  
Somehow, "stop selling Chryslers" didn't warrant consideration

Isn't that the strategy that got them into this mess?
 
2009-05-15 11:28:52 AM  
pity
 
2009-05-15 11:29:36 AM  

Freak Flag Fly: Somehow, "stop selling Chryslers" didn't warrant consideration

Isn't that the strategy that got them into this mess?


I think that was the consumers' strategy, not the business'
 
2009-05-15 11:30:01 AM  
Chysler headlines are picking up where Swine Flu left off.
 
2009-05-15 11:32:29 AM  

Charlie Freak: Chysler headlines are picking up where Swine Flu left off.


I miss Spitzer headlines.
 
2009-05-15 11:33:09 AM  
Makes it damn hard to sell a product knowing the faster it is gone you will be unemployed... Ask Circuit City employees.
 
2009-05-15 11:34:09 AM  
Hey, I thought about buying a Chrysler... I also thought about stabbing myself in the eye and pouring rubbing alcohol in it, too.
 
2009-05-15 11:34:49 AM  
I am suspect of the many claims of the job losses. Certainly there will be some, but in the service and repair arena, the demand would be faily constant. Customers of the dealership will have to get that work done somewhere, most likely a local garage.

As that garage's business increases, they will need to hire additonal staff.
 
2009-05-15 11:36:55 AM  
WTF?

Chysler seems to sell a lot of cars. I seee Jeeps, PT Cruisers and those 300 'ghetto Bentleys' everywhere.
 
2009-05-15 11:36:55 AM  
Here's a complete interactive list of closings.
 
2009-05-15 11:37:14 AM  
You mean the PT Loser and Bald-Headed-Fat-Guy's 300 on DUBS is not enough?

/Yeah. Chrysler headlines are getting redundant.
 
2009-05-15 11:37:21 AM  
Oh boo-hoo, a bunch of shady sales guys might lose their jobs.. It's as if nobody else needs sleezy sales people.

www.roflcat.com
 
2009-05-15 11:37:29 AM  
Disaster*good*

I just cant let go of this demonstable feeling ... who wants to wear some Jorts with me?

/deth row honk
 
2009-05-15 11:38:53 AM  
Welcome to Harry Freakstorm's Chrysler where we can put you in a brand new Hyundai, Kia, Nissan, Mazda, Subara, VW, or Toyota. We have a variety of financing and no money down options on your new Hyundai, Kia, Nissan, Mazda, Subara, VW, or Toyota. This Saturday is free hot dogs and pony rides for anyone who comes out and looks at one of our new Hyundai, Kia, Nissan, Mazda, Subara, VW, or Toyota.

We're located just outside of the inner belt under the over pass near the far exit on Route ? We are the areas largest Hyundai, Kia, Nissan, Mazda, Subara, VW, and Toyota in the tri country, bi-state neighborhood. Our huge size means big discounts but we're your neighborhood Hyundai, Kia, Nissan, Mazda, Subara, VW, and Toyota dealer.

Remember, if you ask for a Chrysler at Harry Freakstorm's Chrysler it's a free punch in the nads. On Sundays, we're worshiping our lord so page us we'll come right over.

Se hable espanol.
 
2009-05-15 11:41:20 AM  
To add insult to injury, Chrysler won't take back the vehicles of the dealerships that are closing. I saw an interview on the news last night with the owner of one of the dealerships that was closing - poor woman was crying. I felt bad for her.
 
2009-05-15 11:42:25 AM  
radio was sensational and stupid enough to go "noone at a dealership had any idea if they would have a job tomorrow". Some good reporting, b96.

Meanwhile, there's a link out there to which dealerships are being closed/not.
 
2009-05-15 11:42:39 AM  
To me, cutting dealers seems like the height of stupid.

I can only imagine the conversation went like this: "We're having trouble selling cars. What can we do to fix that?" "Well, how about having our cars available fewer places? That's SURE to make people buy more of them!"

I just don't get it. The dealers aren't owned by Chrysler, how are they costing Chrysler money?
 
2009-05-15 11:45:45 AM  

idrow: To add insult to injury, Chrysler won't take back the vehicles of the dealerships that are closing. I saw an interview on the news last night with the owner of one of the dealerships that was closing - poor woman was crying. I felt bad for her.


But was she hot? Nothing more hot than watching a hotty crying.
 
2009-05-15 11:46:28 AM  
I heard a story about this on NPR this morning, and a bunch of the people involved in the closings were "outraged" and didn't think it was fair, and were filing appeals, and thought that Chrysler had screwed them over......

Grow up, people. They're bankrupt. And you couldn't see this coming at least a couple of years ago? You sell crappy products, you might go out of business. That's the capitalistic business model that everybody's so fond of when it makes them rich.
 
2009-05-15 11:50:55 AM  
New business model : "sell em' all at a loss and make it up in volume!!!"

DarkVader- the dealership has those vehicles on a "floor plan" that is likely funded by Chrysler. So, when business is good, Chrysler got the dealers coming and going. Retail price, then interest on floor plan. Now, Chrysler has a bunch of intertest bloated, worthless cars.
 
2009-05-15 11:52:01 AM  
I wouldn't buy a Chrysler if they included a free stripper with
every purchase.

/If they did, she'd likely be dead in the trunk... OH!
 
2009-05-15 11:53:28 AM  
"You sell crappy products
I know this is Fark where most of you know jack and shiat about cars and the auto industry, but the true blame for Chrysler's problems lay with Mercedes Benz who gutted an American company.
As for the crappy products bullshiat, that also is typical Fark and typically wrong. If I didn't have over a decade of good use out of my last 2 new Chryslers, I'd probably be complaining too.
Luckily Chryslers don't break frames like a Toyota or toss ball joints like a Honda. I could list more, but I hope some of you get the point. I doubt many of you American-bashing pecker heads could even keep any car for a decade when the only time you change your oil is when you wash your hair..fark you import lovers, may you be unemployed soon....
 
2009-05-15 11:56:01 AM  
More like Crysler, amirite? Get it, Cry sler?

Is this thing on?


/make a better car
 
2009-05-15 11:56:33 AM  

DarkVader: To me, cutting dealers seems like the height of stupid.

I can only imagine the conversation went like this: "We're having trouble selling cars. What can we do to fix that?" "Well, how about having our cars available fewer places? That's SURE to make people buy more of them!"

I just don't get it. The dealers aren't owned by Chrysler, how are they costing Chrysler money?


Used to work in the car biz...and it's not that cut n' dry.
 
2009-05-15 11:58:27 AM  
Enough, already with the single-manufacturer dealers. I don't go to a different store to look at different brands of hi-fi or toothpaste.

Do Chrysler (and all the others) really want to continue for ever handing up to 25% of their revenue to dealers, so some "sales" guy with nothing to do can sit in his chair all day picking fluff out of his navel?
 
2009-05-15 12:01:11 PM  
Yeah, I haven't been too impressed with Chrysler for a long time. Even the new Jeeps aren't all that great. Honestly, I can't see why anyone is buying new cars anyway at this point, a used car less than 2 years old with low milage will save you 10 thousand easy

/bought two "new" cars this year
//2007 Mitsubishi Spyder, and a 1985 Jeep Wrangler
///total cost, less than $20,00o
////Fark new cars.
 
2009-05-15 12:02:27 PM  
I will stick with Fords, who are not taking any bailout money and are coming out with a Fusion hybrid (new window).

In 2008 they gave the government 20 test vehicles; A plug-in Ford Escape Hybrid (new window) that also runs on E-85 that gets 88 mpg in the Citry and 50 on the highway. It can drive 30 miles at 45 mph on battery power alone. I wish it would go into full production.
 
2009-05-15 12:03:00 PM  
Car salesmen are even less useful than real estate agents. Fark'em.
 
2009-05-15 12:04:28 PM  

Kurmudgeon: "You sell crappy products
I know this is Fark where most of you know jack and shiat about cars and the auto industry, but the true blame for Chrysler's problems lay with Mercedes Benz who gutted an American company.
As for the crappy products bullshiat, that also is typical Fark and typically wrong. If I didn't have over a decade of good use out of my last 2 new Chryslers, I'd probably be complaining too.
Luckily Chryslers don't break frames like a Toyota or toss ball joints like a Honda. I could list more, but I hope some of you get the point. I doubt many of you American-bashing pecker heads could even keep any car for a decade when the only time you change your oil is when you wash your hair..fark you import lovers, may you be unemployed soon....


Sorry you lost your job washing cars at the Chrysler dealership.
 
2009-05-15 12:04:36 PM  

Kurmudgeon:
Luckily Chryslers don't break frames like a Toyota or toss ball joints like a Honda. I could list more, but I hope some of you get the point. I doubt many of you American-bashing pecker heads could even keep any car for a decade when the only time you change your oil is when you wash your hair..fark you import lovers, may you be unemployed soon....


Obvious Troll is obvious.
 
2009-05-15 12:05:57 PM  
Please let it be Dodge next.
www.entertainmentopia.com
 
2009-05-15 12:07:45 PM  

Kurmudgeon: "You sell crappy products
I know this is Fark where most of you know jack and shiat about cars and the auto industry, but the true blame for Chrysler's problems lay with Mercedes Benz who gutted an American company.


Too simplistic. The takeover by Dailmer was ill-advised, but they paid off CEO Eaton with a $75M cheque. You would have signed off on the merger for a $75M cheque too.


As for the crappy products bullshiat, that also is typical Fark and typically wrong. If I didn't have over a decade of good use out of my last 2 new Chryslers, I'd probably be complaining too.
Luckily Chryslers don't break frames like a Toyota or toss ball joints like a Honda. I could list more, but I hope some of you get the point. I doubt many of you American-bashing pecker heads could even keep any car for a decade when the only time you change your oil is when you wash your hair..fark you import lovers, may you be unemployed soon....


As a former engineering employee of Chrysler (then DCX), I think I have a better perspective than most. I worked on warranty issues, and man, there were plenty. People bought Chrysler products because they liked how they looked. Not because they were a good product. The only segment where Chrysler produces a competitive product is minivans, and even that is falling by the wayside these days. I left the company and auto sector in search of something better, which I have found.

I purchased a 2000 Chrysler Concorde and have driven it for almost 10 years. For the first couple of years that thing was great. Then the problems started. Notably the compressor & evaporator. And transmission. And door lock servo's. And window motors. And starter motor. And heater/control unit (got that one under warranty... barely).

I now hate that car with a passion, and am delighted to say that I am trading the car in next week for a new Toyota.

No one will miss Chrysler if they disappear. If they survive, they will be a fragment of their former selves. I for one wish nothing but the worst for Chrysler and will never, ever purchase one of their crapmobiles ever again.
 
2009-05-15 12:09:55 PM  

Kurmudgeon: the true blame for Chrysler's problems lay with Mercedes Benz who gutted an American company.


Aha ha.

Chrysler already had problems when Daimler bought them back in '98. Their market share had risen in the '90s from 13% to 16% or so of the North American market. But 16% and next-to-nothing outside North America was never going to be enough to sustain a competitive auto manufacturer.

Yes, their recent profits had been good - but only because of the light-trucks boom that all three US majors were having at the time. Chrysler had already left their car expertise to wither before the Daimler takeover.

It is true that Daimler couldn't work effectively with Chrysler management or unions. It's a case of "plague on all three of your houses".

/ Thus history will show
 
2009-05-15 12:12:02 PM  
I think that Chrysler's horrid customer service is partially to blame for their mess. We bought a new '02 Intrepid off of the lot in June of 2002. Test drove it on Thursday, took delivery on Saturday. Gas tank was on "E", and it was covered in birdcrap. They told us that they don't fill up new cars anymore per corporate policy, and they didn't have any way to wash it on a Saturday.
The people I work with that have bought cars from a Chrysler or Dodge dealer experienced the same. Ford has always delivered both used and new cars washed and full of gas.
If you need your Ford serviced, you can get same day service when you bring it to the dealer. Take the Dodge in with the check engine light on and they tell you to that you need to make an appointment, and it will be at least a week before they can get you in. I will never buy another car from them.
 
2009-05-15 12:12:03 PM  
They should sell water ice.
 
2009-05-15 12:15:32 PM  
FYI I just found this: 2011 Ford Fiesta (new window). It is sharp.


My problem with Chryslter's are that they look too bulky and fat. I like the sleak, thin and stealthy.
 
2009-05-15 12:16:32 PM  

yellowmattercustard: I think that Chrysler's horrid customer service is partially to blame for their mess. We bought a new '02 Intrepid off of the lot in June of 2002. Test drove it on Thursday, took delivery on Saturday. Gas tank was on "E", and it was covered in birdcrap. They told us that they don't fill up new cars anymore per corporate policy, and they didn't have any way to wash it on a Saturday.
The people I work with that have bought cars from a Chrysler or Dodge dealer experienced the same. Ford has always delivered both used and new cars washed and full of gas.
If you need your Ford serviced, you can get same day service when you bring it to the dealer. Take the Dodge in with the check engine light on and they tell you to that you need to make an appointment, and it will be at least a week before they can get you in. I will never buy another car from them.


When I bought my Xterra, it didn't have the step rails on it (had negotiated those, knew they were coming in later), but it was washed and the tank was full. When I took it in to have the rails installed, they changed the oil, washed it, vacuumed, etc. I had a 350Z convertible as the loaner car (because I wanted my wife to buy one).

When I went in for service last time (sensor recall, the only one in two years), it was in and out in 30 minutes (I had an appt) with a wash.

Oddly enough, I've not had a mechanical problem yet and my dealership is great. Yes, I paid well under what it was listed for, too. Oddly enough, when we go to replace my wife's Nissan, it'll be with another Nissan (assuming hers ever stops running). My Xterra will be with me for 10-15 years minimum.
 
2009-05-15 12:17:10 PM  
My laid off mechanic brother in law has been sponging off us for months. This is not going to help the situation.. FFfark.
 
2009-05-15 12:17:33 PM  
I gave up on Chrysler after it took them three attempts (on three separate days) to properly fix the brakes on my Jeep.
 
2009-05-15 12:19:04 PM  

MindStalker: My laid off mechanic brother in law has been sponging off us for months. This is not going to help the situation.. FFfark.


I thought recessions were supposed to greatly increase the demand for mechanics (e.g. people fixing old cars instead of buying new ones). Or is he just lazy?
 
2009-05-15 12:21:51 PM  

dead_dangler: MindStalker: My laid off mechanic brother in law has been sponging off us for months. This is not going to help the situation.. FFfark.

I thought recessions were supposed to greatly increase the demand for mechanics (e.g. people fixing old cars instead of buying new ones). Or is he just lazy?


It was a typo, he meant to say laid off mechanical brother in law. The guy is a robot. No one wants to hire robots these days since they use old people's medication as fuel.
 
2009-05-15 12:25:06 PM  

keiran: Here's a complete interactive list of closings.


about 5-6 dealerships are closing in my neck of the woods. one will remain open.
 
2009-05-15 12:25:09 PM  
If you aren't selling a product that people want to buy, then you cannot exist in a Capitalist economic system. It is that simple...
 
2009-05-15 12:25:11 PM  
fark 'em all.

You don't have to have new hotness to get back and forth to work. I drive the old n busted Pinto and I get 34 mpg out of it. (I did convert it to run on Hydrogen though, take THAT Big Oil)

But anyway, I feel nothing for the big three because they brought it on themselves.

I do wish the Obamanation would just stop bailing everyone out, though.

The majority of the country seems to think that Failure is not an Option. Well, it's a catchy, motivating quote, but it IS an option, and sometimes it's NECCESARY.

okay, enough ranting.

fark 'em all.
 
2009-05-15 12:26:15 PM  

Mongo cut wood: FYI I just found this: 2011 Ford Fiesta (new window). It is sharp.


My problem with Chryslter's are that they look too bulky and fat. I like the sleak, thin and stealthy.


not bad. looks like Ford knows what's up
 
2009-05-15 12:28:27 PM  

Harry Freakstorm: Welcome to Harry Freakstorm's Chrysler where we can put you in a brand new Hyundai, Kia, Nissan, Mazda, Subara, VW, or Toyota. We have a variety of financing and no money down options on your new Hyundai, Kia, Nissan, Mazda, Subara, VW, or Toyota. This Saturday is free hot dogs and pony rides for anyone who comes out and looks at one of our new Hyundai, Kia, Nissan, Mazda, Subara, VW, or Toyota.

We're located just outside of the inner belt under the over pass near the far exit on Route ? We are the areas largest Hyundai, Kia, Nissan, Mazda, Subara, VW, and Toyota in the tri country, bi-state neighborhood. Our huge size means big discounts but we're your neighborhood Hyundai, Kia, Nissan, Mazda, Subara, VW, and Toyota dealer.

Remember, if you ask for a Chrysler at Harry Freakstorm's Chrysler it's a free punch in the nads. On Sundays, we're worshiping our lord so page us we'll come right over.

Se hable espanol.


Reminded me of this (new window) (nsfw language)
 
2009-05-15 12:33:22 PM  
Heres a WIN idea for them:


Get contracts to sell the following vehicles.....

The Mahindra Appalachian pickup, quad cab, and SUV....30 mpg

The Persu Hybrid when it becomes available.... 75 mpg

The Smart. 40 mpg

The Sprinter Van, which is just a mercedes currently rebadged under a couple different brands. 30 mpg

I need a good mid-sized passenger-car here that combines the traits of the other vehicles on this page.....Prefereably diesel or hybrid.

The trick here is that the Mahindras are assembled in Ohio, the Persu will hopefully be american assembled, and the Sprinter and Smart are at least break evens since tehy are currently imported to the us or assembled here already, i dont really know.

It would give your dealerships the ability to claim the best average mileage of all the area dealers.

It would let the dealers work out a marketing strategy for selling multiple makes under one roof by different manufacturers, which could interest a conglomerate in purchasing the rights to sell all those combined models under one brand name.

When Chrysler finally goes bust it might place you in a position to sell the models which are absorbed by other brands, like Jeep.
 
2009-05-15 12:35:22 PM  

yellowmattercustard:
If you need your Ford serviced experimented upon, you can get same day service screwing when you bring it to the dealer.

 
2009-05-15 12:35:45 PM  

pintowagonman: fark 'em all.

You don't have to have new hotness to get back and forth to work. I drive the old n busted Pinto and I get 34 mpg out of it. (I did convert it to run on Hydrogen though, take THAT Big Oil)-> No, you didnt. You might have installed a Hydrogen gas generating electrical water converter....but it isnt providing enough hydrogen to boost your cars gas mileage by more than .5%

But anyway, I feel nothing for the big three because they brought it on themselves.

I do wish the Obamanation would just stop bailing everyone out, though.

The majority of the country seems to think that Failure is not an Option. Well, it's a catchy, motivating quote, but it IS an option, and sometimes it's NECCESARY.

okay, enough ranting.

fark 'em all.

 
2009-05-15 12:39:41 PM  

DarkVader: To me, cutting dealers seems like the height of stupid.

I just don't get it. The dealers aren't owned by Chrysler, how are they costing Chrysler money?


That is what I'm trying to figure out - my uncle is on the Closure list - he's been a Mopar dealer for a very long time indeed - no, he's not a huge dealer, but he's got 30 people who make a living working for him, and IIRC, he's a single line dealership.

But the dealerships don't get money except maybe some advertising co-op dollars and the benefit of the national ads.

Well, my uncle is in his 70's +, I'm sure he's OK but I feel bad about it - he's a good guy.

/Oh, and he was in the 8th Air Force in WWII - Bomber pilot -
//read "Masters of the Air" for the story of the mighty 8th.
 
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