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(ESPN)   Pete Rose says Alex Rodriguez should be in the baseball Hall of Fame. Because Pete Rose has any authority to speak on who should be in the Hall of Fame   (sports.espn.go.com) divider line 234
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2009-05-14 05:44:48 PM  
IlGreven: Super Chronic: Because counting total hits is the sole criterion for getting a player into the HOF.

Uh, when you've had more hits than any other player...uhm, ever...yeah it does. Single-season feats (like Maris) can be explained away as flukes if they don't deliver any other season (like Maris), but holding the all-time record in a category takes both longevity and greatness. (And, for some people, steroids. But we won't belabor that point here.)


So you're saying it is the sole criterion. Sole. The question: is Rose an Aaron-level HOFer or a Winfield-level HOFer. Not debating here whether he deserves to be in; we've stipulated he does. You're defending the point that most hits = the best ever. Really?
 
2009-05-14 05:45:08 PM  
Super Chronic

briargates: Rank
All Time Player Hits
1 Pete Rose 4,256
2 Ty Cobb 4,189 [1]
3 Hank Aaron 3,771
4 Stan Musial 3,630
5 Tris Speaker 3,514
6 Carl Yastrzemski 3,419
7 Cap Anson 3,418
8 Honus Wagner 3,415
9 Paul Molitor 3,319
10 Eddie Collins 3,315
11 Willie Mays 3,283

Yeah he's right up there with Dave Winfield.

Because counting total hits is the sole criterion for getting a player into the HOF. No one should pay any attention to how long it took, or what he did on the basepaths, or how much power he had, or how he played defense, or how many outs he made. There you go, he's at the top of a list and that means he's the greatest EVAR. Lemme guess, you also think Nolan Ryan is the greatest pitcher ever?

See, like I said, I think Rose gets into the HOF, but there are so many factors that temper my enthusiasm for him. One of those factors is the predictable stupidity of his fanboys.


All-time Major League record for most career hits:
4,256
All-time Major League record for most games played:
3,562
All-time Major League record for most at bats:
14,053
All-time Major League record for most singles:
3,215
All-time Major League record for most total bases by a switch hitter:
5,752
All-time Major League record for most seasons of 200 or more hits:
10
All-time Major League record for most consecutive seasons of 100 or more hits:
23
All-time Major League record for most seasons with 600 or more at bats:
17
All-time Major League record for most seasons with 150 or more games played:
17
All-time Major League record for most seasons with 100 or more games played:
23
Only player in Major League history to play more than 500 games at five different Positions:
1B (939) 2B (628) 3B (634)
LF (671) RF (595)
Major League record for playing in the most winning games:
1,972
All-time National League record for most years played:
24
All-time National League record for most consecutive years played:
24
All-time National League record for most career runs:
2,165
All-time National League record for most career doubles:
746
All-time National League record for most games with 5 or more hits:
10
Modern National League record for longest consecutive game hitting streak:
44
Modern National League Record for most consecutive game hitting
streaks of 20 or more games:
7

yawn
 
2009-05-14 05:47:49 PM  
das: Pete Rose WILL be in the H.of F....on the first ballot after he dies.

///Lifetime ban only lasts a lifetime


I think it's actually a "permanent ban", otherwise Shoeless Joe Jackson would have been enshrined by now.

/Pete will be reinstated as soon as Selig leaves the commissioner's office.
 
2009-05-14 05:50:41 PM  
Ok, so old Pete screwed up and bet on baseball. Big deal. At least he never cheated like Barry Bonds did. Pete should be admitted to the Hall of Fame. He's probably the best all round ball player to ever take to the field. Bonds should be stripped of his home run record. The Hammer is the home run king. He did it the hard way: worked for it.
 
2009-05-14 05:50:45 PM  
briargates:

Funny how you left out his record for career outs.

It is what it is. A .303 career average, 118 OPS+ (same as his teammate Ken Griffey Sr.) for a really, really long time with excellent durability. An excellent career that makes him a Hall of Famer. Just not an Inner Circle of Diamond Greatness Hall of Famer. Smart people do not argue otherwise.
 
2009-05-14 05:51:08 PM  
CheddarPants: Shoeless Joe Jackson would have been enshrined by now

They would've enshrined him by now, but they're not sure he stayed dead.

Sometimes they come back.

www.foeiowa.com
 
2009-05-14 05:52:42 PM  
CheddarPants: das: Pete Rose WILL be in the H.of F....on the first ballot after he dies.

///Lifetime ban only lasts a lifetime

I think it's actually a "permanent ban", otherwise Shoeless Joe Jackson would have been enshrined by now.

/Pete will be reinstated as soon as Selig leaves the commissioner's office.


It's actually called The Ineligible List.

Nobody can be voted in as long as they remain on this list.
 
2009-05-14 05:53:03 PM  
The hall of fame is nothing without Pete Rose .
 
2009-05-14 05:54:09 PM  
superoogie: rag819: Fundamental Thereom Of Farkulus: bullshiat. he bet on baseball. he got a lifetime ban. you do the crime, you get the time. fark pete rose.

obvious troll is obvious

I agree with Obvious Troll.

/The rule is posted on every clubhouse door.
//Pete Rose was one of the greatest players ever.


I agree with everything said here. I guess that makes me a troll as well.
 
2009-05-14 05:58:46 PM  
Don Mattingly should be in the Hall of Fame.
 
das
2009-05-14 05:58:55 PM  
CheddarPants: das: Pete Rose WILL be in the H.of F....on the first ballot after he dies.

///Lifetime ban only lasts a lifetime

I think it's actually a "permanent ban", otherwise Shoeless Joe Jackson would have been enshrined by now.

/Pete will be reinstated as soon as Selig leaves the commissioner's office.


Petes ban was negotiated with Giamatti(sp), thus the difference.
 
2009-05-14 06:06:46 PM  
spanklyfreakin: Fundamental Thereom Of Farkulus: rag819: Fundamental Thereom Of Farkulus: bullshiat. he bet on baseball. he got a lifetime ban. you do the crime, you get the time. fark pete rose.

obvious troll is obvious


nope. not trollin' at all, douchebag. a lifetime ban= a lifetime ban. what part don't you get?

Troll part 2- suck it boogaloo

Do the crime, do the time?
If the glove doesn't fit, you must acquit.

So, being able to rhyme makes one smart and relevant. Only in the rap music genre.

You said it best when you said douchebag. That should be on your headstone.


What player in professional sports doesn't bet on their own games?
He never bet against the Reds, Expos, or Phillies when he was playing/managing for them?

How about the punishment fitting the crime?


Here are his achievements and awards from Wikipedia:

Major League records:

- Most career hits - 4,256
- Most career outs - 10,328
- Most career games played - 3,562
- Most career at bats - 14,053
- Most career singles - 3,215
- Most career runs by a switch hitter - 2,165
- Most career doubles by a switch hitter - 746
- Most career walks by a switch hitter - 1,566
- Most career total bases by a switch hitter - 5,752
- Most seasons of 200 or more hits - 10
- Most consecutive seasons of 100 or more hits - 23
- Most consecutive seasons with 600 or more at bats - 13 (1968-1980)
- Most seasons with 600 at bats - 17
- Most seasons with 150 or more games played - 17
- Most seasons with 100 or more games played - 23
- Record for playing in the most winning games - 1,972
- Only player in major league history to play more than 500 games at five different positions - 1B (939), LF (671), 3B (634), 2B (628), RF (595)

National League records:

- Most years played - 24
- Most consecutive years played - 24
- Most career runs - 2,165
- Most career doubles - 746
- Most career games with 5 or more hits - 10
- Modern (post-1900) record for longest consecutive game hitting streak - 44(DiMaggio has the all time record of 56 in 1941, but in the AL)
- Modern record for most consecutive hitting streaks of 20 or more games - 7

- NL MVP Award (1973)
- NL Rookie of the Year Award (1963)
- 17 All-Star selections(five different positions)
- Three World Series rings (1975, 1976, 1980)
- World Series MVP Award (1975)
- Two Gold Glove Awards (1969 and 1970, both as an outfielder)
- Roberto Clemente Award (1976)
- The Sporting News Player of the Year (1968)
- The Sporting News Sportsman of the Year (1985)
- The Sporting News Player of the Decade (1970s)

What part of that deserves a lifetime ban and exclusion from the Hall of Fame? Without Pete Rose in there, Cooperstown is regarded as a joke, not those enshrined, mind you.

Go troll on a political thread.................

For the idiots that have an issue with player/managers in sports. Read up on it first. There are many in professional football(soccer) and there has been many in baseball over the years.



stupidest...response...ever.

go suck on pete's cock some more you farkwad.
 
2009-05-14 06:10:24 PM  
Fundamental Thereom Of Farkulus: bullshiat. he bet on baseball. he got a lifetime ban. you do the crime, you get the time. fark pete rose.

Pete Rose should be in the hall of fame after he dies.
 
2009-05-14 06:11:21 PM  
Not to argue, but everyone saying he only bet on his team to win, how does anyone know?
 
2009-05-14 06:17:42 PM  
Beeblebrox: Not to argue, but everyone saying he only bet on his team to win, how does anyone know?

they don't. nobody knows except pete and his bookies, all i bunch of farking liars who disgraced the game. farking pete changed his story of years of swearing that he told the truth...to let him in at this point would be a sham, and turn the HOF into a joke.
 
2009-05-14 06:21:03 PM  
Fundamental Thereom Of Farkulus: spanklyfreakin: Fundamental Thereom Of Farkulus: rag819: Fundamental Thereom Of Farkulus: bullshiat. he bet on baseball. he got a lifetime ban. you do the crime, you get the time. fark pete rose.

obvious troll is obvious


nope. not trollin' at all, douchebag. a lifetime ban= a lifetime ban. what part don't you get?

Troll part 2- suck it boogaloo

Do the crime, do the time?
If the glove doesn't fit, you must acquit.

So, being able to rhyme makes one smart and relevant. Only in the rap music genre.

You said it best when you said douchebag. That should be on your headstone.


What player in professional sports doesn't bet on their own games?
He never bet against the Reds, Expos, or Phillies when he was playing/managing for them?

How about the punishment fitting the crime?


Here are his achievements and awards from Wikipedia:

Major League records:

- Most career hits - 4,256
- Most career outs - 10,328
- Most career games played - 3,562
- Most career at bats - 14,053
- Most career singles - 3,215
- Most career runs by a switch hitter - 2,165
- Most career doubles by a switch hitter - 746
- Most career walks by a switch hitter - 1,566
- Most career total bases by a switch hitter - 5,752
- Most seasons of 200 or more hits - 10
- Most consecutive seasons of 100 or more hits - 23
- Most consecutive seasons with 600 or more at bats - 13 (1968-1980)
- Most seasons with 600 at bats - 17
- Most seasons with 150 or more games played - 17
- Most seasons with 100 or more games played - 23
- Record for playing in the most winning games - 1,972
- Only player in major league history to play more than 500 games at five different positions - 1B (939), LF (671), 3B (634), 2B (628), RF (595)

National League records:

- Most years played - 24
- Most consecutive years played - 24
- Most career runs - 2,165
- Most career doubles - 746
- Most career games with 5 or more hits - 10
- Modern (post-1900) record for longest consecutive game hitting streak - 44(DiMaggio has the all time record of 56 in 1941, but in the AL)
- Modern record for most consecutive hitting streaks of 20 or more games - 7

- NL MVP Award (1973)
- NL Rookie of the Year Award (1963)
- 17 All-Star selections(five different positions)
- Three World Series rings (1975, 1976, 1980)
- World Series MVP Award (1975)
- Two Gold Glove Awards (1969 and 1970, both as an outfielder)
- Roberto Clemente Award (1976)
- The Sporting News Player of the Year (1968)
- The Sporting News Sportsman of the Year (1985)
- The Sporting News Player of the Decade (1970s)

What part of that deserves a lifetime ban and exclusion from the Hall of Fame? Without Pete Rose in there, Cooperstown is regarded as a joke, not those enshrined, mind you.

Go troll on a political thread.................

For the idiots that have an issue with player/managers in sports. Read up on it first. There are many in professional football(soccer) and there has been many in baseball over the years.


stupidest...response...ever.

go suck on pete's cock some more you farkwad.


You're still trollin'!
 
2009-05-14 06:29:10 PM  
yep! you still fellatin? well, i guess we all play to our strengths...be sure and swallow.
 
2009-05-14 06:34:42 PM  
Fundamental Thereom Of Farkulus:
"go suck on pete's cock some more you farkwad."

That may be your conditioned response to get by in life. It doesn't mean that it works for others. Keep doing what works for you.
 
2009-05-14 06:36:59 PM  
fastbow: I've always thought someone should open up a Sports Fark-Up Hall of Fame. Think of it: a Hall dedicated to chokes, cheats, and chumps. For the first class, you could have Pete Rose, OJ Simpson, the Black Sox, and Mike Tyson. Anyone got any good ideas of chokes, cheats, or chumps who belong there?

They could name the whole museum after Roger Clemens.
 
2009-05-14 06:43:18 PM  
Fundamental Thereom Of Farkulus: Beeblebrox: Not to argue, but everyone saying he only bet on his team to win, how does anyone know?

they don't. nobody knows except pete and his bookies, all i bunch of farking liars who disgraced the game. farking pete changed his story of years of swearing that he told the truth...to let him in at this point would be a sham, and turn the HOF into a joke.


That's what I've always suspected but everyone seems to parrot the same line, that he only bet on his team to win. I never understood how anyone would know for sure.
 
2009-05-14 06:45:19 PM  
To all who want Pete Rose in the HoF:

QQ MOAR
 
2009-05-14 06:47:54 PM  
Beeblebrox: he only bet on his team to win broke the fundamental rule of maintaining integrity that is posted in every Major League clubhouse.

THAT is the problem. Doesn't matter for or against who. It's verboten, completely. Why should he get a pass on it when he knew full well what the risks were? What makes Pete Rose above the one iron-clad rule of baseball ethics?
 
2009-05-14 06:49:53 PM  
I agree with the Farkers who do not think that Pete Rose should not be in the hall of fame. Gambling is worse than doping, especially by a manager, as it is impossible for that manager to be impartial and his decisions will be compromised. This includes the pen, the batting order, pinch hitting/running. While doping may affect stats and could help edge a team over the top based on the performance of a few, gambling holds the implication of steering the direction of the game. Therefore, despite his accomplishments as a player, Pete Rose's actions as a manager in the sport of baseball disqualify him for the hall of fame.
 
2009-05-14 06:50:57 PM  
BKITU: Beeblebrox: he only bet on his team to win broke the fundamental rule of maintaining integrity that is posted in every Major League clubhouse.

THAT is the problem. Doesn't matter for or against who. It's verboten, completely. Why should he get a pass on it when he knew full well what the risks were? What makes Pete Rose above the one iron-clad rule of baseball ethics?


I get that and I am against his induction into the HoF based on what you said. I just wanted to know if anyone had evidence as to how he bet in the first place.

/Doesn't hate Pete at all. Just curious.
 
2009-05-14 06:51:06 PM  
The Hall of Fame should be in Pete Rose
 
2009-05-14 06:51:27 PM  
GimpyNip: I agree with the Farkers who do not think that Pete Rose should not be in the hall of fame.i>

 
2009-05-14 06:57:06 PM  
Beeblebrox: I get that and I am against his induction into the HoF based on what you said. I just wanted to know if anyone had evidence as to how he bet in the first place.

"What was the case against Rose?

Baseball started an investigation in February 1989 into allegations that Rose had been betting on sports, including baseball. These allegations came from one of Rose's friends, Paul Janszen, and bookie Ron Peters. (Both had been convicted of felony drug charges.) Both offered documentary evidence of Rose's betting to support their claims. Former federal prosecutor John Dowd was hired to conduct an investigation. The testimony of Janszen and Peters was corroborated by Rose's phone records and bank records, which mirror the activity they described.

Dowd uncovered other evidence which indicated Rose had used other "runners" besides Janszen to place his bets. Dowd discovered evidence that Rose had placed bets with other bookies, including several with ties to organized crime. Dowd also discovered evidence of hundreds of mysterious financial transactions between Rose and these bookies.

Perhaps most damning was the testimony of Rose himself, given during two days of deposition in February 1989. He admitted gambling on college and pro basketball and NFL games, and described a system where he would have runners place the bets for him, to protect his privacy. He denied knowing many of the key figures, but was confronted by evidence that he had called them, left tickets for them, or written checks to them. When asked to explain the checks made out to cash or to fictitious payees that were cashed or deposited by bookies, he had a variety of explanations -- failed real estate deals, sponsorship of card shows -- none of which would plausibly have required such clandestine methods intended to circumvent banking rules.

In addition to the documented flow of money, Rose was confronted with evidence that he gave memorabilia or other valuable items to bookies. The bat he used to break Ty Cobb's record, one of his World Series ring, the Hickok Belt he won in 1975, and several of his sports cars. Rose also co-signed large bank loans and promissory notes for bookies.

An FBI expert on gambling studied the evidence and concluded that when viewed as a whole, the activity was typical of serious gambling behavior. It showed that was Rose was betting about $15,000 per day with bookies. When the losses got so high that a bookie would stop taking his bets, Rose simply took his business to another bookie. "- source (new window)
 
2009-05-14 07:06:49 PM  
GimpyNip: Beeblebrox: I get that and I am against his induction into the HoF based on what you said. I just wanted to know if anyone had evidence as to how he bet in the first place.

"What was the case against Rose?

Baseball started an investigation in February 1989 into allegations that Rose had been betting on sports, including baseball. These allegations came from one of Rose's friends, Paul Janszen, and bookie Ron Peters. (Both had been convicted of felony drug charges.) Both offered documentary evidence of Rose's betting to support their claims. Former federal prosecutor John Dowd was hired to conduct an investigation. The testimony of Janszen and Peters was corroborated by Rose's phone records and bank records, which mirror the activity they described.

Dowd uncovered other evidence which indicated Rose had used other "runners" besides Janszen to place his bets. Dowd discovered evidence that Rose had placed bets with other bookies, including several with ties to organized crime. Dowd also discovered evidence of hundreds of mysterious financial transactions between Rose and these bookies.

Perhaps most damning was the testimony of Rose himself, given during two days of deposition in February 1989. He admitted gambling on college and pro basketball and NFL games, and described a system where he would have runners place the bets for him, to protect his privacy. He denied knowing many of the key figures, but was confronted by evidence that he had called them, left tickets for them, or written checks to them. When asked to explain the checks made out to cash or to fictitious payees that were cashed or deposited by bookies, he had a variety of explanations -- failed real estate deals, sponsorship of card shows -- none of which would plausibly have required such clandestine methods intended to circumvent banking rules.

In addition to the documented flow of money, Rose was confronted with evidence that he gave memorabilia or other valuable items to bookies. The bat he used to break Ty Cobb's record, one of his World Series ring, the Hickok Belt he won in 1975, and several of his sports cars. Rose also co-signed large bank loans and promissory notes for bookies.

An FBI expert on gambling studied the evidence and concluded that when viewed as a whole, the activity was typical of serious gambling behavior. It showed that was Rose was betting about $15,000 per day with bookies. When the losses got so high that a bookie would stop taking his bets, Rose simply took his business to another bookie. "- source (new window)


Well, this just confirms that he did gamble. Reading your link though does state that there is no evidence that he bet against his team.

$15,000 a day? fark.
 
2009-05-14 07:07:20 PM  
Pete Rose should go fark himself.
 
2009-05-14 07:07:58 PM  
I have a secret way to get into the hall of fame A-Rod, you can bypass all committees, etc.

You have to get to it through my bedroom though, so gimme a call.

:D
 
2009-05-14 07:16:49 PM  
Beeblebrox: Well, this just confirms that he did gamble. Reading your link though does state that there is no evidence that he bet against his team.

I don't know why people bring up that point, even to try and damn Rose. Whether he bet for or against his team -- or any MLB team -- is completely immaterial. One bet on any team is grounds for permaban.

$15,000 a day? fark.

And this was in 1970s/1980s money. According to an online inflation calculator I found, that puts it somewhere in the $30k-$40k per day in today's money.
 
2009-05-14 07:18:05 PM  
Super Chronic: LMark: Farkomatic If your answer is because as a manager, he could affect the outcome of a game, you don't know much about Pete. As great he was a hitter, he was a crappy manager. He couldn't affect the outcome of a game if the other team never showed up. He was horrible.

It actually doesn't matter whether he was a manager or not: Rose bet on his own team winning. As a manager and as a player, that was (presumably) his goal, anyway.

Not exactly. You can manipulate individual games that increase your chance of winning a particular game at the expense of other games -- for example, by making your ace pitcher throw 130 pitches, then using your ace reliever for whatever's left of the game. Or by mysteriously giving your star position player the day off in the game before. Etc. etc. It wouldn't be so bad if he bet the "over" on the total number of games his team would win over the course of the season, but for individual games it's just too dicey.


Fair enough - now, prove two things:

1. Find me one source - ANYWHERE on the world wide internets - that show Pete bet against his team.

2. Find me one credible source that has reviewed every game in question and came away with an opinion that even ONE decision made in that game could have been the result of a bet.

People have been scrutinizing this stuff for 20 years. In all those years, nobody has been able to come up with a single shred of evidence any game was tainted no matter how much you think it "could" have happened.

Yet he has the same punishment as someone who took cash to boot baseballs and throw a world series.

So, if you are going to bust Pete's balls, be consistent. The laws say if you kill someone, you get punished. If I shoot you in the head because I think you're an idiot, should the guy who mistakenly backs over my wife's head backing out of the driveway get the same punishment as me?

As stated before, Pete is a world-class idiot and dumbass. He couldn't affect the outcome of ANY game and nobody in all these years can even point to one game in question. But the guys was a better ambassador for baseball and a great role model for kids growing up because of his ability to give everything it takes to play your best. You have to at least cut him a little slack for that.
 
2009-05-14 07:18:44 PM  
Beeblebrox: Reading your link though does state that there is no evidence that he bet against his team.

Oh, I don't believe he did bet against his team...or, at least according to him he didn't. That doesn't mean that that doesn't compromise his decisions and what decisions he will make. "Oh, I don't have a bet on today's game, let's not burn out the pen. If got $30k on us tomorrow."
 
2009-05-14 07:19:29 PM  
detfrost1: I have a secret way to get into the hall of fame A-Rod, you can bypass all committees, etc.

You have to get to it through my bedroom though, so gimme a call.

:D


You should be ashamed of yourself, dude.
 
2009-05-14 07:24:12 PM  
Farkomatic: He couldn't affect the outcome of ANY game and nobody in all these years can even point to one game in question.

What do you mean he "couldn't" in "any"? That's your defense of him? Sorry, I don't think THAT argument is getting him any close to the HOF. He is the guilty, the onus is on him to prove that decisions he made weren't impactful due to his betting. The fact is he can't and that is why gambling gets you a lifetime ban. He was willing to give away items that belong in the HOF to bookies, he was also willing to give away his HOF eligability to them as well. Don't cry for him, Argentina.
 
2009-05-14 07:32:54 PM  
GimpyNip: detfrost1: I have a secret way to get into the hall of fame A-Rod, you can bypass all committees, etc.

You have to get to it through my bedroom though, so gimme a call.

:D

You should be ashamed of yourself, dude.


You want self-shame...you got it.

I swear to god, when I was 6 years old, I was in love with Pete Rose.

Hands to God.
Even at 6 I was a little jockfag.
 
2009-05-14 07:42:26 PM  
detfrost1: Even at 6 I was a little jockfag.

Oh, I don't care if you're gay. I just frown upon your choice of ARod as a sex symbol.
 
2009-05-14 07:43:34 PM  
detfrost1: GimpyNip: detfrost1: I have a secret way to get into the hall of fame A-Rod, you can bypass all committees, etc.

You have to get to it through my bedroom though, so gimme a call.

:D

You should be ashamed of yourself, dude.

You want self-shame...you got it.

I swear to god, when I was 6 years old, I was in love with Pete Rose.

Hands to God.
Even at 6 I was a little jockfag.


You're in luck.....

Fundamental Thereom Of Farkulus will be giving you a call. He seems to be all about givin' teh head.
 
2009-05-14 07:44:10 PM  
GimpyNip: detfrost1: Even at 6 I was a little jockfag.

Oh, I don't care if you're gay. I just frown upon your choice of ARod as a sex symbol.


Frankly. I'd rather have Jeter, Urlacher (from about 4 years ago), or better yet...
Joey Harrington yum.
 
2009-05-14 07:45:11 PM  
A Rod should be in Pete Rose.
 
2009-05-14 07:46:52 PM  
All of the haters should read the Dowd report.

There is no evidence Rose ever bet against the Reds OR did anything improper in order to influence a game. Players were on and off the DL as expected, Pitchers pitched exactly like they normally would.

Yes he COULD have done bad things but he DIDN'T. Banning someone because they COULD have done something is retarded.

His only crime is betting for the Reds to win with him as manager, that is a losing bet everytime.
 
2009-05-14 07:47:20 PM  
unpainted huffhines: A Rod should be in Pete Rose.
Only Pete Rose from the late 80's or earlier; he's looking pretty awful these days.
 
2009-05-14 07:51:44 PM  
DoBeDoBeDo: His only crime is betting for the Reds to win with him as manager, that is a losing bet everytime.

/facepalm

ANY BET ON ANY TEAM FOR ANY REASON IS GROUNDS FOR A PERMABAN


Biatching about "nobody can prove he bet against his team" is 100% IMMATERIAL. It's bullshiat. It's a dodge. It's whining and biatching like a pantywaste. It's avoiding the crux of the issue.

He violated the one iron-clad rule of ethics: YOU DON'T GAMBLE ON ANY GAME AT ANY TIME, EVER, OR YOU GET PERMABANNED. It's posted in EVERY Major League clubhouse, and has been since the Black Sox scandal.

Why does Rose get a free pass?
 
2009-05-14 07:52:38 PM  
Farkomatic: should the guy who mistakenly backs over my wife's head backing out of the driveway get the same punishment as me?

why is her head on the driveway? where is the rest of her?
 
2009-05-14 07:56:10 PM  
DoBeDoBeDo: Yes he COULD have done bad things but he DIDN'T.

You want to believe that. It may be true, it may not be. It doesn't matter, he compromised himself, his integrity, and the game by gambling on his team. Look to the games he didn't bet on, not the ones he did. Just because he bet on them to win doesn't mean he wouldn't, in a game he didn't bet on, not burn his pen knowing he had action the next day. Either way, it doesn't matter. He was made an example of and that example should remain for all current and future managers to see.
 
2009-05-14 08:01:12 PM  
Farkomatic: People have been scrutinizing this stuff for 20 years.

No they haven't-- there's no reason to. Once they had the evidence that he bet on baseball, and then the subsequent confession, why would they bother looking for evidence he threw games? That would be bad for baseball. They had all they needed already.

In all those years, nobody has been able to come up with a single shred of evidence any game was tainted no matter how much you think it "could" have happened.

Like I said-- nobody's looking because nobody cares-- it's immaterial.
 
2009-05-14 08:03:51 PM  
Do you guys even know WHY he was banned? It had nothing to do with betting, it was a power trip by Giammti who wanted Rose to come grovel at his feet.

"The banishment for life of Pete Rose from baseball is the sad end of a sorry episode. One of the game's greatest players has engaged in a variety of acts which have stained the game, and he must now live with the consequences of those acts. By choosing not to come to a hearing before me, and by choosing not to proffer any testimony or evidence contrary to the evidence and information contained in the report of the Special Counsel to the Commissioner, Mr. Rose has accepted baseball's ultimate sanction, lifetime ineligibility."

Yes that's right it wasn't an INSTABAN, it was a come kiss the ring of the king and you can stay but you chose not to ban.

Read the report, the ONLY thing that says he even bet on baseball at all is circumstantial and comes from 2 guys trying to get off light on drug charges.
 
2009-05-14 08:04:40 PM  
Wise_Guy: Farkomatic: People have been scrutinizing this stuff for 20 years.

No they haven't-- there's no reason to. Once they had the evidence that he bet on baseball, and then the subsequent confession, why would they bother looking for evidence he threw games? That would be bad for baseball. They had all they needed already.

In all those years, nobody has been able to come up with a single shred of evidence any game was tainted no matter how much you think it "could" have happened.

Like I said-- nobody's looking because nobody cares-- it's immaterial.


Actually they did read the report, it's all right there.
 
2009-05-14 08:08:43 PM  
DoBeDoBeDo: Read the report, the ONLY thing that says he even bet on baseball at all is circumstantial and comes from 2 guys trying to get off light on drug charges.

Except for Rose himself admitting it in 2004, you mean?

Link (new window)
 
2009-05-14 08:09:53 PM  
Wise_Guy: DoBeDoBeDo: Read the report, the ONLY thing that says he even bet on baseball at all is circumstantial and comes from 2 guys trying to get off light on drug charges.

Except for Rose himself admitting it in 2004, you mean?

Link (new window)


2007-- not 2004.
 
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