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2009-05-12 11:12:45 AM  
Glass orbital bone. Walker should be kicked out for whatever the Canes have left this year.
 
2009-05-12 11:15:16 AM  
Can't wait to see what happens tonight.

/Go B's!
 
2009-05-12 11:24:35 AM  
chrisco123: Glass orbital bone. Walker should be kicked out for whatever the Canes have left this year.

Not to defend Walker's actions, because they were definitely unnecessary, but anything more than one game would've been extreme.

One thing is for certain, I love playoff hockey. Can't wait for tonight, should be intense as always.
 
2009-05-12 11:29:17 AM  
Go Whalers!
 
2009-05-12 11:31:57 AM  
bonkmeist: Not to defend Walker's actions, because they were definitely unnecessary, but anything more than one game would've been extreme.

They gave him a game off and then they rescinded it.

My guess is the guy is going to take some punishment tonight.
 
2009-05-12 11:34:34 AM  
Demetrius: They gave him a game off and then they rescinded it.

My guess is the guy is going to take some punishment tonight.


Well, maybe so, but the B's should probably concentrate on winning the game. Any retaliation would come secondary to that goal, at least that is what I would hope if I was a fan of the Bruins.
 
2009-05-12 11:38:39 AM  
It was a pretty bullshiat move by Walker to hit him, gloves off, especially when Ward wasn't gonna go.

In Walker's defense, Ward is a bit of a "lady parts" for not getting it on with Walker, but it doesn't excuse a sucker punch (although Ward should have seen it coming).

/"lady parts", "coming", "getting it on"...and NOT in a Foobies thread!
 
2009-05-12 11:42:29 AM  
Beatle_Matt: /"lady parts", "coming", "getting it on"...and NOT in a Foobies thread!

I'm impressed you worked that in there. Now it is a weird three way. Walker must not have heard the safe word and Cullen was just busy trying not to get another concussion.
 
2009-05-12 11:53:39 AM  
Nice to see they change the rules for the Hurricans
 
2009-05-12 12:11:10 PM  
 
2009-05-12 12:29:03 PM  
HulkHands: Nice to see they change the rules for the Hurricans

You mean "Hurrican'ts".

/i REALLY hope Boston wins...
 
2009-05-12 12:38:45 PM  
Beatle_Matt: HulkHands: Nice to see they change the rules for the Hurricans

You mean "Hurrican'ts".

/i REALLY hope Boston wins...


Nah, I was just censoring myself, some people in LA and TX still find that team name offensive...

I hope Boston wins, although watching 3 Boston teams in one night kinda eats into my evenings.

As far as I'm concerned, Celtics are a bonus being this far in with Garnett, Bruins are slacking and need to at least make it to the next round if they don't want to be disappointing (if not the Stanley Cup, being the 1 seed and all) and the Red Sox are still warming up for the dog days of midseason.
 
2009-05-12 12:49:41 PM  
Demetrius: They gave him a game off and then they rescinded it.

My guess is the guy is going to take some punishment tonight.



Well, third period, last few minutes, and the B's are down, would be a fine time for the Bruins to return some favors. The HURRicanes have been playing like ice-skating Raiders.
 
2009-05-12 12:55:55 PM  
Walker kinda came out of nowhere on that one. Ward was getting into it with Cullen. If Cullen had done it then I would say there shouldn't even be a fine. but Walker came over and got involved in the altercation, and then drops his gloves and Ward was slow to react. I think they shoulda fined him more, I mean, an NHL player loses $2500 in the couch cushions, but I don't think they should suspend him just because Ward was a deer in the headlights here.
 
2009-05-12 12:56:29 PM  
cheap shot douche

if a Bruin did this, there would be no end to the "stay classy Boston" whining
 
2009-05-12 01:00:49 PM  
Fining a guy $2,500 that makes (roughly, not including what the escrow account eats) 2.5 million a year, is like Subby getting fined $15 by McDonalds. That is .1% of his yearly take on a hit that was absolutely unjustified AFTER he was the third man in, and instigated a fight with a player with his gloves still on.

Will be interesting tonight. I don't expect any retribution, there's too much on the line for the Bruins to sit in the box for 5+ minutes. Next season, we'll see.

/ I love playoff hockey
// I hate the consistent inconsistency of the NHL.
/// Go B's.
 
2009-05-12 01:03:06 PM  
priestrape: cheap shot douche

if a Bruin did this, there would be no end to the "stay classy Boston" whining


Well, a Bruin did hit a guy in the face in the last series (with gloves on) and was given a 1 game suspension....I say "Stay Classy Colin Campbell...if your goal is to turn the NHL into the WWF, you're doing an outstanding job".

/Ward is ok, he's going to play tonight.
//B's are too smart to retaliate in the playoffs. Coming back in this series would be revenge enough.
 
2009-05-12 01:04:55 PM  
Beatle_Matt: It was a pretty bullshiat move by Walker to hit him, gloves off, especially when Ward wasn't gonna go.

In Walker's defense, Ward is a bit of a "lady parts" for not getting it on with Walker, but it doesn't excuse a sucker punch (although Ward should have seen it coming).

/"lady parts", "coming", "getting it on"...and NOT in a Foobies thread!


I don't blame Ward at all. I would hope all players assess whether their own team is getting a fair trade if both players were off the ice for 5. As a Bruins fan I would not be in favor of Ward for Walker (though apparently the Canes got that anyway for game 6 without having to throw in Walker).
 
2009-05-12 01:05:52 PM  
Rev.K: I see a guy who isn't defending himself in a situation where he goddamn well knows what's happening.

But that's just me.


Exactly. I'd say the same thing if the sweaters were reversed and if it were one of da Broonz doing the punching.

/Go Carolina...I want my Sox back on regular NESN.
 
2009-05-12 01:08:13 PM  
Definite cheap shot despite what the clowns at VS. were saying last night.

But whatever, inconsistency is the name of the game as far as league punishments go.


Having said that, the best retribution would be another Bruins shut out tonight and another shellacking in game 7 in Boston.

Winning is more important at this point. They got under the 'Canes skin and should use it to their advantage, but the only thing Walker should be on the receiving end of tonight is many bone-crushing, legal hits... and knock that smug little smile off of Staal's mug while you're at it, boys.

First meeting between these two teams next season, however, I won't mind if Thornton, Lucic, or Chara attempts to turn Walker's face into raw hamburger... The guy's a biatch.

/GO BRUINS!!
/When the B's are skating well and hitting hard, the 'Canes can't compete with them.
 
2009-05-12 01:09:47 PM  
Rev.K: I see a guy who isn't defending himself in a situation where he goddamn well knows what's happening. (new window)

But that's just me.


If "what's happening" is that a player from the other team gets to dictate when and with whom they are fighting from your team, and they are free to throw punches whether or not the guy from your team agrees to this fight, I don't want to hear any more about Bettman trying to phase out fighting.

This also makes me think that if I'm the Caps I also have a new gameplan for Crosby & Malkin in game 7 in light of this league-ok'd approach.
 
2009-05-12 01:10:57 PM  
Ward supposedly plans to play tonight so it must not be that bad.

and it wasn't a sucker punch.

/go canes
 
2009-05-12 01:12:24 PM  
There won't be any retaliation tonight, regardless of the score (at least I hope not). If the B's are up big and try to get some retribution they run the risk of having somebody suspended for Game 7. If Carolina is up big and the B's start something its a douche move and I think this team is better than that. And obviously if its a close game nobody is going to risk putting the team down a man just to settle a score.

That being said, I hope the Bruins put out the vibe that they want revenge tonight. If they can goad Carolina into thinking they need to prove how tough they are it plays right into the Bruins hands. Carolina is a finesse team, not a bruising team. They won Games 2, 3 and 4 by outskating and outplaying Boston, not by outhitting them. But if the B's can lay some hits early and get inside the Canes heads (like they did in Game 5) then we'll have a great shot at seeing Game 7 up here on Saturday.
 
2009-05-12 01:13:07 PM  
Devin172: Well, third period, last few minutes, and the B's are down, would be a fine time for the Bruins to return some favors. The HURRicanes have been playing like ice-skating Raiders.

Seriously?

Aaron Ward himself said the Canes were a hard team to hate because they don't play dirty. He might change his opinion of Scott Walker, but the Canes had less fighting majors than anyone in the NHL this season, IIRC.

Canes were knocked all season long for being soft, now they are the Raiders on ice? I kinda miss the Candy Canes jokes now.
 
2009-05-12 01:14:02 PM  
tommyl66: There won't be any retaliation tonight, regardless of the score (at least I hope not). If the B's are up big and try to get some retribution they run the risk of having somebody suspended for Game 7. If Carolina is up big and the B's start something its a douche move and I think this team is better than that. And obviously if its a close game nobody is going to risk putting the team down a man just to settle a score.

That being said, I hope the Bruins put out the vibe that they want revenge tonight. If they can goad Carolina into thinking they need to prove how tough they are it plays right into the Bruins hands. Carolina is a finesse team, not a bruising team. They won Games 2, 3 and 4 by outskating and outplaying Boston, not by outhitting them. But if the B's can lay some hits early and get inside the Canes heads (like they did in Game 5) then we'll have a great shot at seeing Game 7 up here on Saturday.


Exactly. A physical game does not play to the Canes strengths. Both teams are fast and skilled, but the Bruins have size too.
 
2009-05-12 01:14:11 PM  
FeloniousQ: Ward supposedly plans to play tonight so it must not be that bad.

he's playing tonight because they have no other healthy defensemen

FeloniousQ: and it wasn't a sucker punch.

of course not
 
2009-05-12 01:17:51 PM  
a sucker punch is when you hit someone when they aren't looking.

see: zdeno chara after every whistle

ward knew full well what was coming, he just chose not to do anything. his shove of walker and what he said verbally reflect this.
 
2009-05-12 01:19:36 PM  
dholway: Rev.K: I see a guy who isn't defending himself in a situation where he goddamn well knows what's happening.

But that's just me.

Exactly. I'd say the same thing if the sweaters were reversed and if it were one of da Broonz doing the punching.

/Go Carolina...I want my Sox back on regular NESN.


Yeah, a regular season Sox game being on NESN is much preferable to another local team advancing in the playoffs. Especially with only 132 games left in the season.

/go Bruins
 
2009-05-12 01:22:28 PM  
FeloniousQ: a sucker punch is when you hit someone when they aren't looking.

see: zdeno chara after every whistle

ward knew full well what was coming, he just chose not to do anything. his shove of walker and what he said verbally reflect this.


guys get yelled at, facewashed, smacked, cross checked, etc., all game long by all teams and all players on those teams. You really think Chara is the only guy hitting other people on the ice?

None of them hauls off and full-on punches another guy in the face, however
 
2009-05-12 01:23:28 PM  
a sucker punch is when you hit someone when they aren't looking.

see: zdeno chara after every whistle

ward knew full well what was coming, he just chose not to do anything. his shove of walker and what he said verbally reflect this.



Whatever you say, e.e. cummings...

----


Ward took one for the team. I think they were worried because Ward had a previous injury to the same area Walker sucker punched him...

Good to hear he'll be playing tonight. he's a solid D-man.

Hope the Bruins come out hitting hard and skating strong... keep the 'Canes from playing their speed game and the B's should be able to put up another 4 or 5 goals on Ward like they did in pretty much every reg season game. If Thomas has a good night, it should force a game 7 back in Boston. Fingers crossed.
 
2009-05-12 01:32:30 PM  
It's a real grey area. One side of me likes hockey fighting, especially in the playoffs. And there really haven't been that many fights in the playoffs recently, especially with the amount of fights that were seen in the regular season. The other side of me hates sucker punches. Yeah, Ward probably should have seen it coming. The unwritten rule for fighting is that you don't throw punches until you both have the gloves off. Walker was trying to get the upper hand in a fight that essentially didn't exist.

Colin Campbell is an idiot, though. He suspends Carcillo for actions late in a game. Fine, set a precedent for the other players/teams in the league and clean up the overly cheap crap in the playoffs. A lot of teams like the Flyers use dirty(not cheap) plays to their advantage. Call it when it happens and suspend it when necessary. That's a good thing. He lets Cammo get away with a cheap shot against the Hawks in round 1. I believe his exact quote when interviewed was, "Awww come on! He's not a bully!".

The rules have got to stay the same for all teams at all times. Otherwise the conspiracy theorists are completely justified in some sense. If you're not calling it fair across the whole NHL, then you're essentially assisting some teams while harming others. In that sense, the NHL's disciplinary board and its officials are inadvertently(...maybe) altering the outcome of games. I said it last night and I'll say it again, the Washington-Pittsburgh series has been probably the most exciting series in the past few years. But the horrible officiating is the only thing that has made that series so close. Unfortunately we'll probably never know who the better team is from that series' outcome, we'll probably only know which team got the breaks and which team didn't. That doesn't mean the series would not have gone seven games, it just means at certain points in the series that horrible officiating was evident to even the most casual observer(mainly my roommates). Both teams benefited and were harmed from bad officiating.

Back on topic, I really don't think Boston's going to retaliate tonight unless the score gets out of hand. Even at 3-1 the series was far from over.

/but I hope they do
 
2009-05-12 01:35:30 PM  
That should be a suspension for at least a game. There shouldn't even be an argument, he got involved in someone else's little push fest, then decked a guy who didn't drop his gloves.

Not every player that drops his gloves is expected to throw a punch in a blowout game, but when you punch a guy in the face who is standing there, gloved hands, with arms lowered, when you're losing 4-0 and it's late in the third period, I'd say there's at least a 50% chance that the punch was thrown with the intent of injuring a player, or sending a message. I seem to remember the NHL trying to "clean up" the sport by reducing this kind of goonish behavior, but I guess these are rules, like many other NHL rules, that aren't followed regularly.

Seriously, it's not as if Walker had the gloves off and put his hands up. He didn't engage or show an indication that he was going to throw a punch (again, gloves off does not mean "here comes the haymaker"... it means "I want to fight you, pussy, so drop your gloves and we're going to dance"), until he grabbed Ward's jersey and threw a punch.

That's NOT how NHL players are supposed to fight. That's how pussy basketball players fight.
 
2009-05-12 01:41:30 PM  
Rev.K: I see a guy who isn't defending himself in a situation where he goddamn well knows what's happening.

Walker should have at least let Ward drop his stick at least. Ward looked like he thought that they were gonna jaw a bit before they dropped gloves.

It's a sucker punch, but I can see how Walker thought he was in a fight right away. The fine was probably best.
 
2009-05-12 01:41:36 PM  
FeloniousQ: a sucker punch is when you hit someone when they aren't looking.

"A sucker punch is a blow which is made without warning or preparation on the part of the recipient and so is usually delivered from close in." (new window)

I hate to cite Wikipedia, but it's valid.

And in this case you're wrong.
 
2009-05-12 01:41:45 PM  
Rev.K: I see a guy who isn't defending himself in a situation where he goddamn well knows what's happening. (new window)

But that's just me.


Gotta agree with you on that one. Boxers have to be reminded to protect themselves at all times. Hockey players should know that instinctively, especially given the atmosphere at the moment plus just getting jumped by a hostile guy. Actually, I wouldn't have faulted Ward for throw the first punch.

/Looking forward to tonights altercations in HD
 
2009-05-12 01:42:41 PM  
I don't know anything about hockey so bear with me. I'm confused, was he suspended because the other player didn't drop gloves to fight? In hockey is it OK to punch an opposing player sometimes, but not all the time?

/I only watch hockey during the playoffs
 
2009-05-12 01:48:03 PM  
Whether or not that was a sucker punch depends on the context. If you're talking about a regular Saturday night at the bar, thats not a sucker punch because he could see it coming and had a reasonable expectation that he was about to be hit.

But as far as hockey goes it certainly broke the unwritten rules of fighting. As has been said before, you can't just go decking whoever you feel like. If both guys want to go at it, fine, and when you're done go sit down for 5 minutes. Even if you're jawing, to just deck a guy while his hands are down is bush league. Apparently the league has knowledge of what was said on the ice and felt that Ward was a willing participant. I don't see how, but thats their ruling and they have to live with it. I thought Ward did a good job of provoking the Canes into taking a stupid penalty with consequences going into the next game, but the league felt otherwise so you have to move on.
 
2009-05-12 01:48:33 PM  
HulkHands: Beatle_Matt: HulkHands: Nice to see they change the rules for the Hurricans

You mean "Hurrican'ts".

/i REALLY hope Boston wins...

Nah, I was just censoring myself, some people in LA and TX still find that team name offensive...

I hope Boston wins, although watching 3 Boston teams in one night kinda eats into my evenings.

As far as I'm concerned, Celtics are a bonus being this far in with Garnett, Bruins are slacking and need to at least make it to the next round if they don't want to be disappointing (if not the Stanley Cup, being the 1 seed and all) and the Red Sox are still warming up for the dog days of midseason.


Poor baby!! It must REALLY suck to have ALL your teams doing awesome!

:)

/Jays doing well
//Leafs - not so much
 
2009-05-12 01:49:19 PM  
ass2mouth: I don't know anything about hockey so bear with me. I'm confused, was he suspended because the other player didn't drop gloves to fight? In hockey is it OK to punch an opposing player sometimes, but not all the time?

/I only watch hockey during the playoffs


It's alright to hit a willing opponent (ie. they both drop the gloves and fight) but hitting someone when they're not suspecting, or unwilling isn't kosher in the NHL.
 
2009-05-12 01:50:31 PM  
ass2mouth: I don't know anything about hockey so bear with me. I'm confused, was he suspended because the other player didn't drop gloves to fight? In hockey is it OK to punch an opposing player sometimes, but not all the time?

/I only watch hockey during the playoffs


He was suspended one game automatically for drawing an instigator penalty with under 5 minutes left. The suspension was inexplicably rescinded. Given this year's playoff rulings he also should have been suspended for a blow to the head with an intent to injure, he also should have been suspended for "sending a message" late in the game with the outcome already decided.
 
2009-05-12 01:51:51 PM  
ass2mouth: I don't know anything about hockey so bear with me. I'm confused, was he suspended because the other player didn't drop gloves to fight? In hockey is it OK to punch an opposing player sometimes, but not all the time?

/I only watch hockey during the playoffs


The original suspension was given because he started a fight within the last 5 minutes of the game. That rule is in place to prevent teams that are losing from starting a bunch of fights at the end of a game. But the league said that both players were willing participants, so the instigator penalty doesn't apply (I think). The unwritten rules of fighting in the NHL are numerous, but the basic one is you only fight somebody who is willing to fight you, too. (Of course, that rule goes out the window if somebody is being a douche and playing dirty)
 
2009-05-12 01:56:17 PM  
MrAwesomeSquared: FeloniousQ: a sucker punch is when you hit someone when they aren't looking.

"A sucker punch is a blow which is made without warning or preparation on the part of the recipient and so is usually delivered from close in." (new window)

I hate to cite Wikipedia, but it's valid.

And in this case you're wrong.


what enlightening research.

the league concluded in the hearing that it wasn't a sucker punch and that both players had consented to the fight. at least that's what the press release and the quotes from Walker said. I would assume if that was not the case that the Bruins and Ward would have said as much.

i hate to cite Colin Campbell, but it's valid the only thing that matters.
 
2009-05-12 01:56:44 PM  
Beatle_Matt: Poor baby!! It must REALLY suck to have ALL your teams doing awesome!

It truly is hell on earth
 
2009-05-12 01:58:10 PM  
puffy999: Not every player that drops his gloves is expected to throw a punch in a blowout game, but when you punch a guy in the face who is standing there, gloved hands, with arms lowered, when you're losing 4-0 and it's late in the third period, I'd say there's at least a 50% chance that the punch was thrown with the intent of injuring a player, or sending a message. I seem to remember the NHL trying to "clean up" the sport by reducing this kind of goonish behavior, but I guess these are rules, like many other NHL rules, that aren't followed regularly.

Maybe he should have thought about that before punching Cullen in the face.

Seriously, it's not as if Walker had the gloves off and put his hands up. He didn't engage or show an indication that he was going to throw a punch (again, gloves off does not mean "here comes the haymaker"... it means "I want to fight you, pussy, so drop your gloves and we're going to dance"), until he grabbed Ward's jersey and threw a punch.

Not all fights happen that way. Only the "scheduled" bouts between teams enforcers happen in the way you're describing and besides, he could see Walker dropped his gloves. One bare hand comes up and grabs his jersey right before the other fist connects. That is how fights happen in impassioned hockey games. 2, 5, and 10 is all that should be assessed.
 
2009-05-12 02:00:38 PM  
HulkHands: I hope Boston wins, although watching 3 Boston teams in one night kinda eats into my evenings.

Just think, tonight we get Bruins Game 6, Celtics Game 5, and after those are done the Red Sox play in Anaheim at 10:05. So its only two games at once to start, but the night goes all the way until 1 in the morning...
 
2009-05-12 02:03:28 PM  
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2009-05-12 02:11:51 PM  
ckirchen1: Maybe he should have thought about that before punching Cullen in the face.

You know, because a couple of guys slapping their gloves around is exactly equal to a guy taking his bare fist and punching another person directly in the face.

ckirchen1: Not all fights happen that way.

Sure, but we're talking about the NHL playoffs, not some d-league rink in Yellowknife. The NHL actually has codes of conduct and a hint of professionalism, and this has especially been the case in the last few years (when the league has stated that they want to clean up the game, and have enacted or emphasized rules on dirty play). In fact, the NHL has a rule for instigating, even though they decided to ignore it this time (because, somehow, throwing the gloves and punching a guy who is mouthing off and in no position to fight means that there was no instigating).
Had this exact event taken place in a different game, or for different teams, you'd have likely seen a different response from the NHL. These playoffs have proven that they're inconsistent, and often don't directly follow their own rules.

Incidentally, much of my earlier comment had the underlying theme that if you can't wait for the other guy to drop the gloves, you're a cheap-shot pussy. Hockey players sho
uld be raised to be better than that, and many of them are. Scared little biatches drop, hit, then leave. Again, that's what prick basketball players like Artest, Carmelo, and O'Neal do.
MEN are willing to get the other person prepare when they go into a fight. Even when men would duel with pistols, they'd take their time to get ready, instead of one guy just walking up and shooting the other guy in the face.

If someone doesn't drop gloves... fine. Get in their face about it, push them around, and either draw them into a fight or throw their mind off of the game. Don't just drop them, because that can lead to some problems down the road.
 
2009-05-12 02:13:52 PM  
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2009-05-12 02:17:07 PM  
tommyl66: HulkHands: I hope Boston wins, although watching 3 Boston teams in one night kinda eats into my evenings.

Just think, tonight we get Bruins Game 6, Celtics Game 5, and after those are done the Red Sox play in Anaheim at 10:05. So its only two games at once to start, but the night goes all the way until 1 in the morning...


I'll be watching the B's with a GameCast of the C's on the computer. GameCasts of NHL games are kinda... worthless.

Red Sox are designated to the DVR, unless I have enough time to watch Breakfast with the Sox in the morning!
 
2009-05-12 02:17:28 PM  
puffy999: You know, because a couple of guys slapping their gloves around is exactly equal to a guy taking his bare fist and punching another person directly in the face.

You mean a guy with his gloves on hitting a guy in the face who has a history of concussions and facial injuries and isn't fighting back?
 
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