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(Reason Magazine)   Unless you live in Alaska, Delaware, Montana, New Hampshire, or Oregon, if you regularly buy things online then you are probably a tax cheat   (reason.com) divider line 88
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2009-05-07 02:22:21 PM
Yup.
 
2009-05-07 02:30:02 PM
I live in Oregon, and I still buy things online.

I should be reimbursed for all the I'm not saving on tax avoidance.
 
2009-05-07 02:39:56 PM
try and tax the internet. I dare you. Go on. Do it. DOUBLE dog dare you!

the party that successfully manages to tax online transactions will face a very very nasty voter backlash indeed.
 
2009-05-07 02:47:28 PM
I live in Alabama and the use tax is still smaller than what I would pay in a brick & mortar store (4% vs 8%) so I went ahead and included it in my tax return. Still got a refund.

/Only $34 worth
 
rmz
2009-05-07 02:56:42 PM
I pay less in tax, but I pay a lot more in inflated shipping charges.

Obviously, the solution is to tax FedEx and UPS. Yeah, that's the ticket!
 
2009-05-07 03:03:48 PM
Weaver95: try and tax the internet. I dare you. Go on. Do it. DOUBLE dog dare you!

the party that successfully manages to tax online transactions will face a very very nasty voter backlash indeed.


Some websites tack on a tax when they check your zipcode.

Also, Maine has a 'use tax' of ...I forget how much... specifically meant to cover what you MIGHT have owed if you bought stuff over the Internet.
 
2009-05-07 04:46:42 PM
I remember PA sent out the form to everyone a few years ago. "Tell us what you spent and then sent us a check", effectively. Surprisingly, jackbooted thugs haven't shown up yet.
 
2009-05-07 04:48:06 PM
It's only cheating if you get caught.
 
2009-05-07 04:48:11 PM
xanadian: Some websites tack on a tax when they check your zipcode.

Also, Maine has a 'use tax' of ...I forget how much... specifically meant to cover what you MIGHT have owed if you bought stuff over the Internet.


Thinkgeek does this?.
 
2009-05-07 04:48:36 PM
Considering that my state government is about to raise the liquor tax, they can go fark themselves.

/There was a time when the cigar tax was 129%, I shiat you not.
 
2009-05-07 04:49:12 PM
I'm just tired of the phrase "low hanging fruit".
 
2009-05-07 04:49:50 PM
I thought the rule was that if the store had a retail outlet in your state you had to pay tax, otherwise not.

/maybe just MD
 
2009-05-07 04:51:42 PM
We have the highest taxes in the country here. They can suck eggs if they try and tax the net, that means you Ahhnold.
 
2009-05-07 04:53:01 PM
xanadian: Some websites tack on a tax when they check your zipcode.

That's only if that company has offices in that state. For instance a certain computer maker I purchase stuff from has offices in the state of MN therefor the tax is added. If they didn't have offices - they are not required to collect the tax.
 
2009-05-07 04:53:35 PM
The_Sponge: Considering that my state government is about to raise the liquor tax, they can go fark themselves.

/There was a time when the cigar tax was 129%, I shiat you not.


Golf and cigars 3 threads down
 
2009-05-07 04:54:52 PM
I didn't even know that online transactions were subject to taxes not mentioned on the website in the first place. I'd often pay California taxes when a person was located in California. I thought that was it.

Then I see on TurboTax something about online purchases. Like I'm going to keep the receipt for every frigging bag of perler beads and old DVDs I buy off of eBay.
 
2009-05-07 04:55:26 PM
South Dakota has the ultimate stupidity as far as use tax goes. They expect every single item to be accounted for that you bought out of state. The bulk of the population lives on the border of MN & IA. MN & IA don't tax food and a few other things that SD does.

Buy a pack of gum while on the other side of the border? You must declare it, download the form, fill it out, write a check and mail it to them. The dept of revenue went all gung ho last year and expected people to comply with the use tax no matter what. Everyone pretty much just laughed at them and the department dropped the public effort.

The state would waste more money attempting to collect than they would ever bring in.
 
2009-05-07 04:58:19 PM
I operate an online store. (Both ebay and website.) I am NOT responsible for collecting taxes from buyers outside of Ohio. The buyer is supposed to report it. I don't like it one bit, but I also like having my business, and this state would shut me down. Quickly.
When the buyer checks out, if they reside in, or are having the item shipped to Ohio, the website (and ebay) automatically adds the tax of 6.5%.

/I hate Ohio.
//Really, Really want to move elsewhere.
 
2009-05-07 04:58:29 PM
I'm a tax cheat.....can I have a cabinet position?
 
2009-05-07 04:58:52 PM
rumpelstiltskin: It's only cheating if you get caught.

Indeed! Two penny Jenny in Michigan will take us for everything we got. She can pry the sales tax for internet purchases out of my arse.

/moleymoleymoley
//here's a quarter, go downtown and find a rat to gnaw that thing off your face!
 
2009-05-07 05:00:56 PM
Until this year's return, TurboTax would ask 'would you like to report any out-of-state purchases on which you owe sales tax', or something to that effect. I always answered no, because I did not want to report it. I think they changed the wording for 2008, although I still didn't report any.
 
2009-05-07 05:02:04 PM
NH survives on MA libtards who vote for tax increases then come to NH to shop. ONLY Massholes could make "hypocracy" a new form of government.
 
2009-05-07 05:03:32 PM
I'd put internet under the umbrella of interstate commerce.

Put on a federal sales tax, Kill the state taxes on internet sales, and let the states and Feds fight over how to distribute it.

Perhaps payable to the state where the product is delivered. (obviously this needs some tweaking.)

Feds keep 1% of revenues to administer the program, States get the rest.
 
2009-05-07 05:03:49 PM
Sales tax is for morons.
 
2009-05-07 05:04:23 PM
Delaware and Oregon are the only places I've ever lived. Sales tax is a "I suck" fee.
 
2009-05-07 05:08:07 PM
I'd feel worse about it if they weren't wasting my tax dollars anyway. Hey, does that make shopping at Newegg a form of civil disobedience? Thoreau would be proud!
 
2009-05-07 05:08:23 PM
I want every Obama nominee to account for their online purchases and whether they cheated their home state out of sales/use taxes. If the next Supreme Court nominee hasn't paid the correct sales tax, I want her voted down. Oh, and find out whether she smoked pot, too. I don't care about her stance on abortion. Just whether she smoked pot and paid sales tax when she bought it over the internet.
 
2009-05-07 05:08:53 PM
I should add that I think sales tax collection on out-of-state purchases will go nationwide over the next couple of years. NY has already won a lawsuit against Amazon, and with the economic situation all states are looking for new revenue streams. And there is no legal reason not to allow it.

I think it will end up that the merchants collect the tax though - I think courts will agree that it is unreasonable and unfair to require consumers to track & remit.
 
2009-05-07 05:09:11 PM
So?
/don't care
//buying something online today
 
2009-05-07 05:09:25 PM
I'm going to move a little further south, work in Wyoming so I don't pay state income tax and then do my shopping in Montana to avoid sales tax.
 
2009-05-07 05:09:55 PM
Bohemian: The state would waste more money attempting to collect than they would ever bring in.

This, in a nutshell. How would state gov'ts. even go about verifying this information? They'd have to access online merchants' full accounting records, track PayPal & credit card statements and compare the numbers against tax returns for...what, exactly? So I can write Pennsylvania a check for tree fitty at year end?

This will only encourage bootlegging & drive markets underground.
 
2009-05-07 05:10:45 PM
Truth1746: I operate an online store. (Both ebay and website.) I am NOT responsible for collecting taxes from buyers outside of Ohio. The buyer is supposed to report it. I don't like it one bit, but I also like having my business, and this state would shut me down. Quickly.
When the buyer checks out, if they reside in, or are having the item shipped to Ohio, the website (and ebay) automatically adds the tax of 6.5%. /I hate Ohio.


Oh, don't stop there. Tell them about the state income tax, property tax, district tax, sales tax on food, city income tax, corporate income tax. . . oh, but they still need to issue hundreds of millions in municipal bonds to do anything.

I lived in "Taxachusetts" for a while and I have no idea why that cheap political talking point gets any attention. Massachusetts cut its income tax while I lived there. Of the fours states I've lived in, Ohio was by far the reddest and by far the nastiest in terms of taxation.
 
2009-05-07 05:11:43 PM
FTFA: But Wisconsin is also trying to extract taxes from businesses headquartered within their borders on money earned outside the state-they call it the Las Vegas loophole.

Good luck with that, Wisconsin, while all those businesses slowly move to states that don't try and rape them and their customers.

I can see states trying to collect sales taxes from it's own citizens, but doesn't this violate some sort of Federal law? If not the actual law, it most certainly violates the principle of federal law designed to protect citizens from interstate tariffs.
 
2009-05-07 05:12:26 PM
mightybaldking: I'd put internet under the umbrella of interstate commerce.

Put on a federal sales tax, Kill the state taxes on internet sales, and let the states and Feds fight over how to distribute it.

Perhaps payable to the state where the product is delivered. (obviously this needs some tweaking.)

Feds keep 1% of revenues to administer the program, States get the rest.


Why would you advocate this? If you want such a program, then pay your state through their existing method.
 
2009-05-07 05:12:49 PM
Next they will want me to report tax on the coke I bought too!
 
2009-05-07 05:13:28 PM
I guess I'm the only citizen of GA who pays his internet sales and use tax. I think the minimum is $5, but I just sent them a check for the 1st quarter of 2009 for $1.10. I bet they just sit around the GDOR regional office in Rome and giggle, or don't know what to do with the check half the time.

/I don't eBay or buy Japanese toys much anymore these days
 
2009-05-07 05:15:51 PM
How about the States just do this:

1. Lower State workers' pay

2. Lower State workers' benefits

3. Lower State workers' pensions

The way things are set up these days, they get good wages, lots of benefits and unreal pensions. How about only giving them 2 out of 3? I'd settle for that, and it would fix the budget crunches, guaranteed.

States and municipal authorities have switched from providing services to paying for bloated and out of control pensions. It is going to keep getting worse until we run them out on a rail.

/end rant
 
2009-05-07 05:16:53 PM
rmz: I pay less in tax, but I pay a lot more in inflated shipping charges.

Obviously, the solution is to tax FedEx and UPS. Yeah, that's the ticket!


Two words:
Amazon Prime

/live it, love it, wake the fark up.
 
2009-05-07 05:17:12 PM
little big man: I'm going to move a little further south, work in Wyoming so I don't pay state income tax and then do my shopping in Montana to avoid sales tax.

Not a bad idea actually. We used to pay 8+ in the People's Socialist Republic of California but Montana rules. No sales tax means other people come here to spend money.
 
2009-05-07 05:17:39 PM
the8re: NH survives on MA libtards who vote for tax increases then come to NH to shop. ONLY Massholes could make "hypocracy" a new form of government.

Our good governor, "Tax Them All Devall!", is trying to raise the sales tax, so I'm getting a kick out of this...
 
2009-05-07 05:17:48 PM
I pay a CPA to do my taxes on account of they're _really farkin' complicated_. This year, it was "Gimme notes on all the crap you bought online" so I did.

What I didn't realize at the time is I live in Florida and don't have to put up with the state income tax morons (no state income tax here, go ahead and stick a Florida tag on that if you want...) so it was only the Feds I was trying to keep happy...

\Pity you poor bastids who have to pay state AND city income taxes.
\\How do you cope?
 
2009-05-07 05:25:18 PM
The Use Tax has and always been bullshiat. Let's face it, it's a state tax on interstate trade which is a big Constitutional no no.
 
2009-05-07 05:25:35 PM
Were_Outta_Bort_License_Plates: I guess I'm the only citizen of GA who pays his internet sales and use tax. I think the minimum is $5, but I just sent them a check for the 1st quarter of 2009 for $1.10. I bet they just sit around the GDOR regional office in Rome and giggle, or don't know what to do with the check half the time.

/I don't eBay or buy Japanese toys much anymore these days


On my taxes i usually just make up a number between 3-6 dollars and fill it in.
 
2009-05-07 05:28:20 PM
H&R Block has never asked me about my online purchases. Awesome.

I think that given the complexity of our tax code it would solve a lot of problems if we just killed ourselves so that we didn't have to give uncle sucker a penny.fark you man!
 
2009-05-07 05:32:06 PM
At least there is one benefit living here in DE.
 
2009-05-07 05:46:08 PM
the8re: NH survives on MA libtards who vote for tax increases then come to NH to shop. ONLY Massholes could make "hypocracy" a new form of government.

Actually the latest thing is MA wants NH to collect MA taxes if someone from MA goes to NH to buy stuff.
 
2009-05-07 05:58:12 PM
Was the Obvious tag broken?
 
2009-05-07 06:00:17 PM
I mean, when my tax form asked me if I'd bought anything online I just sorta looked up for a second and then checked "no."
 
2009-05-07 06:01:47 PM
If the site calcs it in at checkout, ok. I am way to lazy to keep track of those that don't
 
2009-05-07 06:02:38 PM
Exporting items from New Hampshire to smuggle into Massachusetts is a crime. Massachusetts tax agents force New Hampshire businesses to collect sales taxes from customers living in Massachusetts.
 
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