Arklop: Do fat people eat hydroxycut or does hydroxycut eat fat people?

I think I've seen a similar cover for a porno flick.

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tweekster: Norcal:

To expand on my previous post:

What are your goals considering this is a weight loss thread? Since a trainer recommended that combo of supplements I assume weightlifting is involved?

Don't go for the glitzy advertising driven products. Creatine monohydrate is around 10 bucks for 100+ servings. Whey protein, choose a brand that has a good reputation (bulk protein, biotest, ON) that doesnt have everything and the kitchen sink added to it. just straight whey. $30 for 5-7 lbs is a good price. Xtend is a bit pricier, but it is basic and atleast flavored.

BCAA pre/during workout
Whey post workout
Whey every morning (although not absolutely necessary, healthy fats in addition is not a bad idea)
Creatine everyday mix with juice or water

You can also choose to get a dextrose/malodextrin protein drink post workout. But those are a tad more expensive. The BCAAs are not absolutely necessary either, if cost is an issue, then skip it. Whey and creatine are the two to go with though.

For weight loss some people prefer not to use creatine because of water retention. But I don't think that is all that big of a deal.

This.

neritz: Liver damage? Glad I never took the stuff. I need my liver fully functional so it can absorb all of the beer.

I like the way you think.

Pump_ThePurpleWarrior: Eating less + exercise works.

I'm down 4 inches on my waist since starting to walk and eat less in February. My resting heart rate is down from 100 to 74.

If you are having problems (and have an Iphone) there's an app for this. Called Lose It! it's free and MAN it helps!

/Still large
//but getting better.

Congrats on your hard work!

NorCalLos: Anyone know about supplements? A trainer told me to take protein powder, creatine, and xtend (glutamine BCAAs).

For some reason I think farkers are slightly more well-adjusted than your typical trainer. Is this stuff going to noticeably improve my results without shortening my life?


You're going to get a variety of answers, since you appear to be legit in your question.

Simple answer is to not bother with that stuff.

Use the money you'd spend on that stuff to buy fresh fruits and vegetables 'cause it can be expensive. Eat a low fat (NOT non fat) diet high in vegetables, especially green leafy ones. Adjust slightly to higher protein or higher carbohydrate levels based on whether you're going for "mass" or for endurance.

Don't drink too much; don't smoke; have fun with the training (that way you won't get tired of it and stop).

That's the best answer that has worked for the greatest number of people.

Rational Exuberance: It's a debate that's actually been going on for a few years. It was only one study that suggested that caffeine counteracts the effects, though. I'm not sure I completely buy it.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/berardi5.htm

Thanks for the link. Like I said I have never heard that before, but those references in that article seem to be quite old. I wonder if more study has been done since then. I'll have to check around sometime. Interesting though.

TWEEKSTER:

Goals are pretty much the same as any other guy: Add muscle mass and burn fat. I'm only able to work out 3-4 days a week right now due to my schedule, but I usually do a half-hour of cardio, then lift weights for an hour-hour and a half.

tweekster: Norcal:

To expand on my previous post:

What are your goals considering this is a weight loss thread? Since a trainer recommended that combo of supplements I assume weightlifting is involved?

Don't go for the glitzy advertising driven products. Creatine monohydrate is around 10 bucks for 100+ servings. Whey protein, choose a brand that has a good reputation (bulk protein, biotest, ON) that doesnt have everything and the kitchen sink added to it. just straight whey. $30 for 5-7 lbs is a good price. Xtend is a bit pricier, but it is basic and atleast flavored.

BCAA pre/during workout
Whey post workout
Whey every morning (although not absolutely necessary, healthy fats in addition is not a bad idea)
Creatine everyday mix with juice or water

You can also choose to get a dextrose/malodextrin protein drink post workout. But those are a tad more expensive. The BCAAs are not absolutely necessary either, if cost is an issue, then skip it. Whey and creatine are the two to go with though.

For weight loss some people prefer not to use creatine because of water retention. But I don't think that is all that big of a deal.

Good advice. Of course, I am a Crossfitter so I have my own cultish recommendations, but this will cover 95% of the supplements you'll need.

Definitely true about the advertising - most of the supplement makers buy from the same factories, so there's not much difference besides the price.

I lost 60 lbs by...not eating fast food, getting off my fat ass, curbed my drinking, and ate better. And guess what, I saved a lot of money as well! It's all about having self control.

NorCalLos: TWEEKSTER:

Goals are pretty much the same as any other guy: Add muscle mass and burn fat. I'm only able to work out 3-4 days a week right now due to my schedule, but I usually do a half-hour of cardio, then lift weights for an hour-hour and a half.

That's what I figured, but i should have asked before shooting off my recommendations. I just assumed.

3-4 days is a very solid regiment. What sort of weight lifting? what exercises, what sort of split between the days?

I've really never understood the whole diet supplement thing. Is it really that hard to eat a little better and walk a bit? I've lost about 15 lbs (from 180 to 165 at 5'10" or 11") in the last month or two by simply cutting out most soda (and I drink diet when I do) and spending more time walking around. Plus little things like taking stairs instead of elevators and such. I'm sure I could lose a little more, a little faster by doing more drastic things, but what I'm doing now is essentially no lifestyle change. I still eat more junk food than I should, fast food, etc

/ Also likes bringing up the poo question when "100% natural!" gets bandied about

NikolaiFarkoff: necropoultryac: And PLEASE stop showing the fake before and after pictures on the commercials.

This. The "before" pic is clearly someone in really good shape who spent 3 months slacking off, then "magically" got toned again quickly.

The one thing I might use Hydroxycut for, though, is its ability to give me a tan, a good haircut, a nice bathing suit, and a greatly improved camera lens.

I always thought the before pick was during the phase of "eat everything you thing you can with lots of protein while lifting to build lots of muscle." Then they fast for a week of more to look shredded.

My favorite weight loss pictures are the women in a bathing suit who are 100 lbs overweight, then they show the after photo in the same bathing suit. Like we wouldn't believe it's the same person if they had on different suits.

Dietary supplements are not as tightly regulated by the government as medications. Manufacturers don't need FDA approval ahead of time before marketing their products.

Well, good.

NorCalLos: Anyone know about supplements? A trainer told me to take protein powder, creatine, and xtend (glutamine BCAAs).

For some reason I think farkers are slightly more well-adjusted than your typical trainer. Is this stuff going to noticeably improve my results without shortening my life?

Protein powder is a meal replacement, not a supplement. If you can eat like a madman (which is necessary if you want to gain muscle mass) then skip it. Personally, I have a protein shake when I am too lazy to make a meal before bed or mid afternoon.

Creatine works for me, it gives me more endurance during workouts which result in more gains. However, if you are already maxed on it naturally (eating a lot of red meat, etc) then it won't help at all.

Some sort of glutamine is proven to help recovery, so sure throw that in if you want.

None of those are as anywhere near as necessary as regular exercise and eating well. However, a few shortcuts that are ridiculously safe are just fine.

"I heard from a nurse that anything in powder form is bad for your liver and/or kidneys...?"

Think about that for a second why would it even make sense? A quality protein powder should be used if you are working out.
I know a lot of nurses, I have to say they know how to party. I don't know if they are the standard of what is good or bad for your health.

More people should read this... gym rats, lardos and rails alike-



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bunner: Dietary supplements are not as tightly regulated by the government as medications. Manufacturers don't need FDA approval ahead of time before marketing their products.

Well, good.

I am not making a personal opinion but I know of supplements that to safely use you would need a prescription medication. So that is a double edged sword.

You mean the bottle of magic pills don't work?fark.

Fruit for breakfast
Lean Cuisine for lunch
Lean Cuisine for dinner

That plan has been working for me so far. I don't feel crazy with hunger and was able to resist the Munchkins in the break room this morning.

Great Caesar's Toast: Ephedra works great, suck it haters.

Yeah it works but is seriously dangerous. I used it and ended up with serious heart beat problems (inverted T waves and weird shiat). It took about seven years of not taking it before I got my ECG back to normal.

It definitely was the ephedra -- heart problems start two months after starting it, and diminished significantly after stopping it.

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gorgor having to resort to this is just sad. I mean come on Fark, would you cut off Ron Jeremy's penis or somehow reduce Peter North's payload?

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Dear God, this.

It would be like limiting Pocket Ninja to 50 words or less.

/so stupid.
//If you're going to be offended by the image, don't click the link, moron.

bunner: Dietary supplements are not as tightly regulated by the government as medications. Manufacturers don't need FDA approval ahead of time before marketing their products.

Well, good.

I don't want/need the FDA telling me what to take. However, I'd welcome some government-mandated quality control standards and a full disclosure of health risks on the bottle. But the same standards as pharmaceutical drugs? No thanks.

JohnnyShotMe: You mean the bottle of magic pills don't work?fark.

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idrow: Fruit for breakfast
Lean Cuisine for lunch
Lean Cuisine for dinner

That plan has been working for me so far. I don't feel crazy with hunger and was able to resist the Munchkins in the break room this morning.

What is Lean Cuisine, like 300ish calories? So ~700 per day? I would kill someone by 3pm.

/if I weren't too weak from lack of food

Insolent: But it's Dr. recommended-it has to be safe right?

All natural and recommended by a Dr.



/won't help you lose weight

Omelet, toast, bacon, coffee

*nothing*

work ass off

*nothing*

Walk places.

Sammich

bed

It ain't rocket science.

Oh, and drink water like it's going out of style.

Rational Exuberance: What is Lean Cuisine, like 300ish calories? So ~700 per day? I would kill someone by 3pm.

/if I weren't too weak from lack of food

My breakfast shake is more calories than his entire day including the fruit

What I always love about the "after" pics is that the product at no point advertises itself as a muscle builder, but as a weight-loss aide... and yet the "after" pics always shows somebody who obviously spends several hours per day working out at a gym.

It's not that it's lying, it's that it's such an obvious, bold-faced lie that I'm shocked anyone falls for it.

I mean, if the result was somebody slim, but not athletic, it would be possible to actually believe the ads. But the presence of an absurdly carved six-pack makes it just hilariously ridiculous.

idrow: Fruit for breakfast
Lean Cuisine for lunch
Lean Cuisine for dinner

That plan has been working for me so far. I don't feel crazy with hunger and was able to resist the Munchkins in the break room this morning.


lean cuisines are fat office chick fodder. Every obese women i have seen that worked in my office always had one of those every day. And I sure did not see any of them get skinnier.

I think it made them fat. The same way Wicca seems to make women fat.

bunner: Omelet, toast, bacon, coffee

*nothing*

work ass off

*nothing*

Walk places.

Sammich

bed

It ain't rocket science.

Oh, and drink water like it's going out of style.

You are missing a few meals* in there. Your insulin levels will be all over the place which will reduce your ability to loose weight.

Small meals, what most would consider a snack

justanotherfarkinfarker: "I heard from a nurse that anything in powder form is bad for your liver and/or kidneys...?"

Think about that for a second why would it even make sense? A quality protein powder should be used if you are working out.
I know a lot of nurses, I have to say they know how to party. I don't know if they are the standard of what is good or bad for your health.

Flour is generally in powder form.

BlorfMaster: idrow: Fruit for breakfast
Lean Cuisine for lunch
Lean Cuisine for dinner

That plan has been working for me so far. I don't feel crazy with hunger and was able to resist the Munchkins in the break room this morning.


lean cuisines are fat office chick fodder. Every obese women i have seen that worked in my office always had one of those every day. And I sure did not see any of them get skinnier.

I think it made them fat. The same way Wicca seems to make women fat.

It isn't the lean cuisine that makes them fat. It is the cheeseburger they grab on the way home as a pre-dinner snack because they are still hungry.

NorCalLos: Anyone know about supplements? A trainer told me to take protein powder, creatine, and xtend (glutamine BCAAs).

For some reason I think farkers are slightly more well-adjusted than your typical trainer. Is this stuff going to noticeably improve my results without shortening my life?

Nothing on that list will kill you. I prefer real food to shakes and BCAAs, but they are convenient. You don't need as much as the label says on the Xtend, this will make the tub last a lot longer. Creatine is good, but don't load it. Take 5g every day, and drink plenty of water and you should be fine.

UHC2005: Nothing on that list will kill you. I prefer real food to shakes and BCAAs, but they are convenient. You don't need as much as the label says on the Xtend, this will make the tub last a lot longer. Creatine is good, but don't load it. Take 5g every day, and drink plenty of water and you should be fine.

Very good point on the loading. The standard generally accepted practice is to not bother loading it even though the bottles typically do.

NorCalLos: Anyone know about supplements? A trainer told me to take protein powder, creatine, and xtend (glutamine BCAAs).

For some reason I think farkers are slightly more well-adjusted than your typical trainer. Is this stuff going to noticeably improve my results without shortening my life?

Depends on what you're trying to do. If you're skinny and trying to gain weight and muscle mass, I think that you would be okay with creatine and whey. I'd be careful with creatine as once you stop taking it you'll see a noticeable decrease in mass as you lose the water weight.

If you are skinny, I'd suggest a diet of 40% protein, 40% fats, and 20% carbs. When I'm talking about fats, I'm not talking about fast food. Google zone diet fat blocks for good indicators of what are good fats (too lazy to list them, but think olive oil and nuts). Then, all the rest is up to working out, and if you have a trainer, I'm assuming he knows what he is doing. If you're just trying to get big (going for hypertrophic bodily change) then you'll want to keep your workouts at 3-5 sets of 3-5 reps each, going as heavy as you can.

If you're trying to lose weight, while gaining muscle, I'm not sure if these supplements would be the right way to go.

my .02. Good luck with your fitness goals!

NorCalLos: I heard from a nurse that anything in powder form is bad for your liver and/or kidneys...?

Oh Noooooooooooooooo!

tweekster: UHC2005: Nothing on that list will kill you. I prefer real food to shakes and BCAAs, but they are convenient. You don't need as much as the label says on the Xtend, this will make the tub last a lot longer. Creatine is good, but don't load it. Take 5g every day, and drink plenty of water and you should be fine.

Very good point on the loading. The standard generally accepted practice is to not bother loading it even though the bottles typically do.

Yeah, 5g per day is plenty for anyone. All 20g of creatine caused for me was bloating and stomach pain.

UHC2005: Yeah, 5g per day is plenty for anyone. All 20g of creatine caused for me was bloating and stomach pain.

I was reading a discussion regarding nonresponders and upping the quantity but that was a more specific protocol then by more advanced trainees.

Krymson Tyde:

I've found the people who hush, censor and edit are the same ones who preach the loudest about morality, being open minded and understanding others.

Like priests.
After telling everyone else what to do they shove their cock in a little boys butthole.

jst3p: BlorfMaster: idrow: Fruit for breakfast
Lean Cuisine for lunch
Lean Cuisine for dinner

That plan has been working for me so far. I don't feel crazy with hunger and was able to resist the Munchkins in the break room this morning.


lean cuisines are fat office chick fodder. Every obese women i have seen that worked in my office always had one of those every day. And I sure did not see any of them get skinnier.

I think it made them fat. The same way Wicca seems to make women fat.

It isn't the lean cuisine that makes them fat. It is the cheeseburger they grab on the way home as a pre-dinner snack because they are still hungry.

The steak and cheddar panini for lunch was 340 and 9gs fat.
Last night's rigatoni and meatballs for dinner is 390 and 8gs fat. In fact, since they've been putting 30% more food in them, I had a hard time finishing it. It really was a good amount of food.

Also add the 2 cups of coffee I have in the morning w/ skim milk, so that also brings the calories up.

jst3p: BlorfMaster: idrow: Fruit for breakfast
Lean Cuisine for lunch
Lean Cuisine for dinner

That plan has been working for me so far. I don't feel crazy with hunger and was able to resist the Munchkins in the break room this morning.


lean cuisines are fat office chick fodder. Every obese women i have seen that worked in my office always had one of those every day. And I sure did not see any of them get skinnier.

I think it made them fat. The same way Wicca seems to make women fat.

It isn't the lean cuisine that makes them fat. It is the cheeseburger they grab on the way home as a pre-dinner snack because they are still hungry.

That and the lack of exercise.

I've proven that lack of exercise will make you me gain weight. When I did construction I was thin and in good shape. Now I'm a programmer...

\I need a bike
\\and too actually ride it

People knock it because I took the "easy" way out, but I have to recommend Lap Band.

I didn't really need to lose a ton of weight, but I needed to get my diabetes under control. Had surgery in December, and I've lost 30 lbs so far. My blood sugar is great, and I've been able to drop one of my three diabetes meds. Couldn't be happier.

BTW, there is NOTHING easy about Lap Band. It can be downright torturous at times.