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2009-04-29 01:46:00 PM
This Yeny Gregorio Dávila, Mexico City bullshiat was just a comment posted to the BBC website under one of the many flu articles about four or five days ago and it got picked up by every crackpot, lunatic fringe website in the tubes. It was never vetted nor did it come from any official source. In fact it may as well have been a Fark post for all the credibility it has and yet, here we are. It's a perfect example of the type of crap that thrives in an atmosphere of panic.
 
2009-04-29 01:48:34 PM
MrSteve007: docmattic: Correct. A pandemic is an epidemic that is geographically widespread, and does not imply ahything about case-fatality rates.

Yes and no. The common cold would qualify as a pandemic with that definition.


From Wiki:

According to the World Health Organization (WHO), a pandemic can start when three conditions have been met:[1]

* Emergence of a disease new to a population.
* Agents infect humans, causing serious illness.
* Agents spread easily and sustainably among humans.
 
2009-04-29 01:48:38 PM
I don't think pandemic levels 1-6 will be good enough. They're gonna have to take it to 7.

img408.imageshack.us
 
2009-04-29 01:49:08 PM
Ms MacGyver: Verify the numbers at cdc.gov/swineflu

My hometown (Cleburne, TX)closed all the schools today. They started with the high school where 4 people are suspected of having swine flu and since they all have younger siblings in school they closed all the schools in town and sent all the kids home. The local news says that people with symptoms of swine flu are supposed to go to Arlington, TX to get tested (as they can't do it at just any Dr. Office I guess and S.F. is very similar to the regular flu with a standard test) and that the people tested wouldn't have results for 2 to 3 days. It'll be interesting to see how many cases come about on Monday.

It's just surreal to me kind of. The school district is so hardcore about attendance and they would very seldom let us out for bad weather or anything but now they dismissed the whole district for the rest of the week during TAKS testing. It's an odd site.

here is the local news story>click but it's on WFAA.com too.
 
2009-04-29 01:49:50 PM
Harvey Birdman: APORKALYPSE!

Nice.
 
2009-04-29 01:53:27 PM
fatal_exception: This Yeny Gregorio Dávila, Mexico City bullshiat was just a comment posted to the BBC website under one of the many flu articles about four or five days ago and it got picked up by every crackpot, lunatic fringe website in the tubes. It was never vetted nor did it come from any official source. In fact it may as well have been a Fark post for all the credibility it has and yet, here we are. It's a perfect example of the type of crap that thrives in an atmosphere of panic.

Esto.
 
2009-04-29 01:55:04 PM
Well...I guess poisoning my wife and kids at bedtime last night was a little premature.
 
2009-04-29 01:55:55 PM
CygnusDarius: Esto.

Ha! Nice.
 
2009-04-29 01:56:14 PM
Wait, so how does this effect the calculation of people hit by a UFO?
 
2009-04-29 01:56:24 PM
frankencj: If we had Universal Health this would not be happening.

Boy, that's some weak-ass trolling. You're better than that.
 
2009-04-29 01:57:33 PM
Ninja Wicked: I haven't seen WHO claim anything about 152 deaths, it was media outlets who were reporting that.

Yeah, it looks like the only FAIL here is in subby's ability to comprehend what information comes from which source.
 
2009-04-29 01:58:48 PM
Liliac_Hill: Why can't the media understand the damage they cause by spreading tall tales, relying on rumors and blogs as their "sources"?

Sensational headlines sell
/that is all
 
2009-04-29 01:58:53 PM
satchel13: ADIDAS247: But I though everyone in Arizona was dead?

No, no, they are all zombies now...but that has nothing to do with the R2D2 virus.


theliberaloc.com
 
2009-04-29 02:00:39 PM
geekluv: please explain "cricket attacks"... are you talking about the insect or the sport?

Actually, this is a particularly unusual statistic, it's the insect playing the sport.
 
2009-04-29 02:01:10 PM
fatal_exception: This Yeny Gregorio Dávila, Mexico City bullshiat was just a comment posted to the BBC website under one of the many flu articles about four or five days ago and it got picked up by every crackpot, lunatic fringe website in the tubes. It was never vetted nor did it come from any official source. In fact it may as well have been a Fark post for all the credibility it has and yet, here we are. It's a perfect example of the type of crap that thrives in an atmosphere of panic.

The reason it has gotten so much traction is that the official information coming out of Mexico is not always intuitive. It feels like more poeple should be infected based on how many turists have managed to catch it. Thus, when someone claims to have the real story, we want to beleive them. I don't know if there is any veracity to the claim there, and I wouldn't use it in support of an aurgument, but I have trust issues with the official data as well. I'm surprised no media outlets have tried to independently assess the level of infection and death.
 
2009-04-29 02:03:19 PM
ollin: docmattic: phoxxy: Yet, only an hour ago...

Also isn't pandemic a measure of communicability and not necessarily lethality?

/dem sure were some big wurds
//done hope I used em rite


This. The common cold has been at pandemic levels (phase 5-6 on the handy little chart) for centuries. Need info on the actual lethality of it. The 1 death:91 cases at cdc.gov/swineflu isn't making me nervous. Then again, I remember the bird flu/SARS scares too so maybe I'm too cynical
 
2009-04-29 02:03:38 PM
cause it aint real unless WHO says it is.
WHO says?
No they didnt?
What the hell are you saying?
 
2009-04-29 02:04:57 PM
damn fark farking edit my $%#@... should have said...

cause it aint real unless WHO says it is.
WHO says?
No they didnt?
What ...cough ...cough... the hell are you saying?
 
2009-04-29 02:05:18 PM
Lemon-Lime Malthus: I don't think pandemic levels 1-6 will be good enough. They're gonna have to take it to 7.

Well played, very well played...
 
2009-04-29 02:05:37 PM
bride_of_adam_cole:

I live in North Georgia, and we (so far) have no cases in the state. One of my best friends works at the CDC, and she has been able to give me regular updates (I knew about the baby in TX yesterday afternoon and I knew about the swine flu itself last Monday). Our school systems will shut down if a single flake of snow is seen, so I'm sure that when (not if) that first case is confirmed in GA, all the kids will be sent home. I just think that there is a lot making mountains out of molehills right now. My friend told me that she will let me know when we all need to bend over and grab our ankles :o)
 
2009-04-29 02:07:42 PM
geekluv:
please explain "cricket attacks"... are you talking about the insect or the sport?

"That'll be the day."
www.nndb.com
 
2009-04-29 02:07:52 PM
MurphyManifesto

It's a callback to a thread from last week for no reason other than my own amusement

/Probably not that funny if you missed the first thread
//Nah, it's kind of funny anyway
 
2009-04-29 02:08:24 PM
Ms MacGyver: bride_of_adam_cole:

I live in North Georgia, and we (so far) have no cases in the state. One of my best friends works at the CDC, and she has been able to give me regular updates (I knew about the baby in TX yesterday afternoon and I knew about the swine flu itself last Monday). Our school systems will shut down if a single flake of snow is seen, so I'm sure that when (not if) that first case is confirmed in GA, all the kids will be sent home. I just think that there is a lot making mountains out of molehills right now. My friend told me that she will let me know when we all need to bend over and grab our ankles :o)


You're one to talk about mountains from molehills...*remembers a few breast threads with pics...*

/i keeeeed
 
2009-04-29 02:10:04 PM
ADIDAS247: But I though everyone in Arizona was dead?

i294.photobucket.com
 
2009-04-29 02:11:12 PM
Monty845

Ya, I can understand your point about WHO, but after seeing how many morons have already misinterpreted information and data about this outbreak, I can see why they are being careful media-wise (I expect they are probably being much more candid to governmental and public health officials who need to be taking steps now).

I actually have very little faith in the mob handling anything intelligently so I don't mind the cautious nature information the CDC and WHO are giving out.

/I can probably stay homebound for a month without needing to go out for food or water at this point.
//More worried about idiots panicking and people shooting each other to avoid infection than I am about the flu itself.
///It's not like you can stop it from spreading. Influenza is a very efficient virus and can easily bide its time.
 
2009-04-29 02:15:39 PM
It's easy to confuse 7 for 152.
 
2009-04-29 02:16:57 PM
i35.photobucket.com


/I've got nothing.
 
2009-04-29 02:17:43 PM
docmattic: phoxxy: Yet, only an hour ago...

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hG6zmXnY6v5La-llZ8qbQIrdE-WAD 9 7S79R80 (new window)

WHO... wishy washy indeed. If it isn't as many as they say, then why does the WHO keep raising the pandemic alert? It's at 5 now. 6 is as high as you can go.

/thinks everyone is whacked in their heads....

It is at 4, not 5 (yet, at least). Read the post you linked to.


THIS. NO where in that article does it say they have increased it to level 5. It talks about what level "5" means.
 
2009-04-29 02:22:59 PM
Monty845: Reality: 152 deaths (as reported by the mexian gov't, which is trying to downplay the severity) are likely caused by swine flu in mexico

WHO: We have only tested 7 of them, 7/7 are swine flu, so the death toll is 7. Maybe we will get around to testing some more later, but till then, don't worry, its only killed 7 people.

Its inane to claim that none of those 145 untested deaths are not swine flu just because they haven't tested them. And why are they still untested, some have been dead for almost a week.


The corpses aren't going to cocktail parties. What's the rush?
 
2009-04-29 02:24:43 PM
The regular human flu kills about 0.1% of the people it infects, and most victims are either very young or elderly.

The death rate of this new strain is much, much higher, though the exact figure isn't yet known. This story about 7 deaths is BS, because they are quoting a WHO employee out of context -- the number was the lab-tested confirmed death count and is already about 24 hours old (I heard it on the radio early yesterday morning here).

The Mexicans may slightly downgrade the number of death, but let's assume that the worst-case ~160 dead, ~1600 sick figure is correct. This means a mortality rate of about 9%. What makes it worse is that most of the dead are otherwise healthy young adults, rather than children or the elderly.

So the concern over this strain is nothing to scoff at. If this outbreak is contained, it would be due to good coordination and dissemination of information by authorities including the WHO, not due to the supposed harmlessness of the virus.
 
2009-04-29 02:26:10 PM
litmusdragon: MurphyManifesto

It's a callback to a thread from last week for no reason other than my own amusement

/Probably not that funny if you missed the first thread
//Nah, it's kind of funny anyway


No, it's definitely still funny.

Irrelevant, but still hilarious. I'm stealing the pic and using it elsewhere.
 
2009-04-29 02:28:16 PM
kilopane: What makes it worse is that most of the dead are otherwise healthy young adults, rather than children or the elderly.

I'm still waiting to see a source confirm this. I've heard it bandied about a lot, but I must've missed the report or whatever that showed this as fact.

/not trying to be a smartass
 
2009-04-29 02:30:18 PM
MurphyManifesto: kilopane: What makes it worse is that most of the dead are otherwise healthy young adults, rather than children or the elderly.

I'm still waiting to see a source confirm this. I've heard it bandied about a lot, but I must've missed the report or whatever that showed this as fact.

/not trying to be a smartass


Can't you read? kilopane SAID it. If you read anything on the internet, it must be true.

/dead_dangler has a large penis.
//penis.
 
2009-04-29 02:38:21 PM
Mr Guy: CygnusDarius: gtomako: This.


"Yeny Gregorio Dávila, Mexico City:

I work as a resident doctor in one of the biggest hospitals in Mexico City and sadly, the situation is far from "under control". As a doctor, I realize that the media does not report the truth. Authorities distributed vaccines among all the medical personnel with no results, because two of my partners who worked in this hospital (interns) were killed by this new virus in less than six days even though they were vaccinated as all of us were. The official number of deaths is 20, nevertheless, the true number of victims are more than 200. I understand that we must avoid panic, but telling the truth it might be better now to prevent and avoid more deaths."

I've run through that a couple of days ago with my brother. That name doesn't appear at all in the National Health Database.

I can do it too.

"Dávid Julio Gregoria, Mexico City:

I am a pathologist at the biggest hospitals in Mexico City and sadly, the situation is far from "under control". As a lab technician, I realize that the media does not report the horrifying reality of zombie attacks. Authorities distributed metal bats among all the medical personnel with few results, even two of my partners who worked in this hospital (interns) were on the softball team. The official policy is that there are no zombies, nevertheless, the true number of zombie attacks cannot be counted. I understand that we must avoid panic, but telling the truth it might be better now to prevent and avoid more deaths."



"Elicia Maria LaVida Gonzalez Juanita Chalupa Nguyen, Mexico City:

I work as a resident doctor in one of the biggest hospitals in Mexico City and sadly, the situation is far from "under control". As a doctor, I realize that the media does not report the truth about women with PMS. Authorities distributed vaccines among all the medical personnel with no results, because two of my partners who worked in this hospital still developed PMS and killed 19 patients and medical workers with their fire-breath, laser-eyes, rude comments, furniture throwing and increased intake of salt and caffeine. The official number of deaths is 20, because I plan to kill myself after publishing this since one of the women is my wife. Nevertheless, the true number of victims are more than 200, and most of them are now single men. I understand that we must avoid panic, but telling the truth it might be better now to prevent and avoid more deaths."
 
2009-04-29 02:39:14 PM
kilopane: The regular human flu kills about 0.1% of the people it infects, and most victims are either very young or elderly.

The death rate of this new strain is much, much higher, though the exact figure isn't yet known. This story about 7 deaths is BS, because they are quoting a WHO employee out of context -- the number was the lab-tested confirmed death count and is already about 24 hours old (I heard it on the radio early yesterday morning here).

The Mexicans may slightly downgrade the number of death, but let's assume that the worst-case ~160 dead, ~1600 sick figure is correct. This means a mortality rate of about 9%. What makes it worse is that most of the dead are otherwise healthy young adults, rather than children or the elderly.

So the concern over this strain is nothing to scoff at. If this outbreak is contained, it would be due to good coordination and dissemination of information by authorities including the WHO, not due to the supposed harmlessness of the virus.


You're Australian. I thought yall scoffed at anything with a mortality rate under .5? Don't yall keep pets deadlier than that?
 
2009-04-29 02:46:44 PM
www.music-graffiti.com
 
2009-04-29 02:47:13 PM
I want to get in on the story fabrications too. I put a different spin on mine:

I am a senior officer in the Mexican army, Teniente Coronel Venustiano Carranza. I have been studying in Mexico City to aquire my Diplomado del Estado Mayor and I am compelled to tell you that the influenza epidemic being sold to the public as swine flu is in fact a fabrication of our government from the highest levels. Our Ciudadano Presidente Constitucional de los Estados Unidos Mexicanos, Filipe De Jesus Calderon is gravely concerned that the security situation in Mexico City and the surrounding provinces is far from "under control". As a military officer I realize that the media does not report the truth. Negotiations and so called cease fire agreements with the cartels have been utterly ineffectual and there is now grave concern that goverment at all levels has been infiltrated and corrupted by the cartels to such a degree that civil war is all but imminent. A declaration of martial law was considered however it is understood that such a declaration would be seen by the cartels as an act of war by our President so a plan of quarantine and travel restrictions has been devised under the guise of a public health emergency. While this should give our armed forces an upper hand in launching sweeping attacks I cannot stress enough how dire the political situation is. I fear already that this plan has been unmasked in spite of a massive media blanket of fabrication. I understand that we must avoid panic but by telling the truth now I feel we may well avoid more civilian deaths by allowing those in harms way the opportunity to evacuate.
 
2009-04-29 03:01:18 PM
Germany's Naked Hitler: /i keeeeed

Actually, that picture is still in my profile!
/Will be taking new one soon (RenFest coming up, time to dress up again)
//What can I say? I love my mountains!!
 
2009-04-29 03:04:16 PM
Isn't it obvious???

The other 145 came back as zombies.

/duh
//this is how it always starts in the movies
 
2009-04-29 03:05:20 PM
I_C_Weener: tedbundee: russsssman: Won't stop Uncle Daddy Obama from trying open up that wallet for some impulsive presidential spending though.

At least he ain't off in a retreat playing guitar

Nope he's at home, making sweet love to his teleprompter.

I love memes.


I thought he was praying in Mecca's direction. Damn Obama really needs to update his Twitter
 
2009-04-29 03:07:02 PM
Ms MacGyver: Germany's Naked Hitler: /i keeeeed

Actually, that picture is still in my profile!
/Will be taking new one soon (RenFest coming up, time to dress up again)
//What can I say? I love my mountains!!


Already saved and working on a Magic Card for it. I love your mountains too....I mean, very aesthetic picture.

/God bless RenFests
//Only missed one so far
 
2009-04-29 03:07:07 PM
Just wondering, anyone know the regular death rate from the flu for mexico city? I always hear that it generaly just takes out the old and sickly (it seems like common sense but I've never seen numbers), but some of the things I've heard of healthcare, especialy for the poor in Mexico City is rather terrorfying.


/If you said that more people who get shot in Mexico City die than in New York, it wouldnt mean guns are any more deadly there than here
 
2009-04-29 03:07:12 PM
netweavr: There was also a World War that year which severely limited resources available.

Considering that the flu killed far more people than the war did, it seems the resources were misplaced.

If, in fact, there were any resources that could have halted the disease, which is doubtful. What resources do you think we have available, and when do you think they should be utilized? Because it kind of sounds like you're pooh-poohing any immediate concern.

It is the case that the large number of soldiers being moved about contributed to the spread, though. We don't have as much of that going on, but we have much more of the general populace traveling as a matter of course.
 
2009-04-29 03:15:00 PM
MurphyManifesto: I'm still waiting to see a source confirm this. I've heard it bandied about a lot, but I must've missed the report or whatever that showed this as fact.

/not trying to be a smartass


I read it in various news articles, but here are a few sources I could find:

Here:
http://www.webcitation.org/5gNd9HTT9

"One ominous sign, however, is that the Mexican cases are said to be mainly young adults, a hallmark of pandemic flu."

And here:
http://www.cdc.gov/media/transcripts/2009/t090424.htm

"BROWN: OK, can I ask a follow-up? There's also been a report that their - the attack rate and severity is greater in sort of young adults, you know the kind of 19, 18 picture, young adults, teenagers rather than children and the elderly. Have you heard that also?

BESSER: Yes, I think that exploring the epidemiology, understanding who is getting sick in Mexico is critically important, and it's premature to comment on that, but with a pandemic one of the things that you frequently see is infection in younger adults, a population that usually doesn't get as severe disease from a seasonal flu outbreak."

Plus a mention of it here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8021958.stm
 
2009-04-29 03:19:35 PM
MurphyManifesto: I'm still waiting to see a source confirm this. I've heard it bandied about a lot, but I must've missed the report or whatever that showed this as fact.

/not trying to be a smartass


Oooh... one more:

http://www.who.int/csr/don/2009_04_24/en/index.html

"The majority of these cases have occurred in otherwise healthy young adults. Influenza normally affects the very young and the very old, but these age groups have not been heavily affected in Mexico. "
 
2009-04-29 03:27:38 PM
They closed my daughters school down because our seniors just got back from Cancun and 2 were sick....yippee
 
2009-04-29 03:44:56 PM
jamiekate: They closed my daughters school down because our seniors just got back from Cancun and 2 were sick....yippee

You must be in Newberry. They haven't been confirmed, but I heard there are 10 sick down there.

/too close for me here in Rock Hill
 
2009-04-29 03:49:37 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iJLpe1tZl8
 
2009-04-29 03:52:32 PM
TrixieDelite: The corpses aren't going to cocktail parties. What's the rush?

Weekend at Bernie's.


I rest my case.
 
2009-04-29 03:53:48 PM
Yay. 7 sick so far in NJ, pending testing.

And so close to NYC, where there are 50+ cases.

Ah well, I have serious allergies. Probably wouldn't be able to tell the difference if I did get the flu (already extremely tired, with stuff nose, sore throat, low-grade fever, a few aches and pains... and that's NORMAL for me during allergy season).

Bring it on, bacon-lung.

/on second thought... *cough*
 
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