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(Crooks & Liars)   Pew Research poll shows that Fox News is too critical of President Obama. Other polls show that the sky is blue and water is wet, but those can be outliers   (crooksandliars.com) divider line 181
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2009-04-27 10:48:52 AM  
No mention of the other networks whose noses are so far up the new President's a** that objectivity is out of the question.. I guess the country really shouldn't have access to an opposing viewpoint. Everybody fall in lockstep now.
 
2009-04-27 12:22:50 PM  
bearsfolks: No mention of the other networks whose noses are so far up the new President's a** that objectivity is out of the question.. I guess the country really shouldn't have access to an opposing viewpoint. Everybody fall in lockstep now.

THIS

If this goes green both of us will be under attack for saying bad things about the messiah.
 
2009-04-27 01:52:04 PM  
necropoultryac: bearsfolks: No mention of the other networks whose noses are so far up the new President's a** that objectivity is out of the question.. I guess the country really shouldn't have access to an opposing viewpoint. Everybody fall in lockstep now.

THIS

If this goes green both of us will be under attack for saying bad things about the messiah.



How's that persecution complex working out for you two?
 
2009-04-27 01:57:36 PM  
Great, now we have trolls quoting trolls. What's the odds on them being the same person?
 
2009-04-27 02:09:05 PM  
Other than the fact that that's not what the poll says, this should be an entertaining thread.

/By entertaining, I mean predictable and tedious...
 
2009-04-27 02:22:39 PM  
www.deonandan.com
 
2009-04-27 02:25:39 PM  
satchel13: Other than the fact that that's not what the poll says, this should be an entertaining thread.

Here's the poll. It says exactly what the article says. How do you see it differently?
 
2009-04-27 02:26:03 PM  
bearsfolks: No mention of the other networks whose noses are so far up the new President's a** that objectivity is out of the question..

This!!!

This has to be what it is!!!

There is no other explanation how so many could disagree with Limbaugh and Hannity and O'Reily!

USA! USA!

GOOOOOO TORTURE!!!!
 
2009-04-27 02:26:33 PM  
When you're convinced that there's a media massive conspiracy and that you're the only one smart enough to see through it just means you're a moron.

See also: 9/11 truthers, Obama birth-certificaters, and bearsfolks.
 
2009-04-27 02:28:48 PM  
GAT_00: Great, now we have trolls quoting trolls. What's the odds on them being the same person?

They're traveling.
 
2009-04-27 02:30:52 PM  
absoluteparanoia 2009-04-27 02:26:33 PM
When you're convinced that there's a media massive conspiracy and that you're the only one smart enough to see through it just means you're a moron.

See also: 9/11 truthers, Obama birth-certificaters, and bearsfolks.


Kool-Aid to the left, no waiting.
 
2009-04-27 02:32:46 PM  
bearsfolks: Kool-Aid to the left, no waiting.

The Kool-Aid to the right has a line, however, because to get it you have to blow Rush Limbaugh.
 
2009-04-27 02:45:53 PM  
bearsfolks: Kool-Aid to the left, no waiting.

lol

Kool Aid. Did you think of that?

How about the chosen one? That would have been hilarious. THE MESSIAH lulz!
 
2009-04-27 02:50:22 PM  
www.deonandan.com
 
2009-04-27 03:06:20 PM  
While I agree that Fox is most likely too critical of Obama, the article simple states that 30% of Americans identify Fox News as being too critical (when given a choice of major networks).

/one of the 30%
 
2009-04-27 03:07:17 PM  
Hay u guize, did yew see dis one?

www.deonandan.com
 
2009-04-27 03:19:24 PM  
CruiserTwelve: satchel13: Other than the fact that that's not what the poll says, this should be an entertaining thread.

Here's the poll. It says exactly what the article says. How do you see it differently?


It's an opinion poll. The poll says that 29% of people think Fox is too critical. That is a far stretch from saying that Fox IS too critical. Although it would be pure speculation on my part, I would guess that a good number of that 29% never watch Fox and that they are the brilliant people that pee their pants when they call it Faux News or Fixed News. Show me a study that analyzes the bias of the networks and I'll consider it...this poll is meaningless - and if you reverse the numbers, it says that 71% of people do not believe that Fox is too critical of Obama, right?
 
2009-04-27 03:27:45 PM  
www.deonandan.com
 
2009-04-27 03:33:47 PM  
Dear god, people.... sometimes posting the same image repeatedly in threads is funny and ironic. But when it happens in a half dozen threads every day....... not so much.

/queue "angry man"/"welcome to fark" pics posted ad nauseum
 
2009-04-27 03:35:48 PM  
GAT_00: Great, now we have trolls quoting trolls. What's the odds on them being the same person?

www.headwaysoftware.com
 
2009-04-27 03:38:49 PM  
I wonder what percentage of people think that anyone who gets information from a 24 hour news network is a tard?
 
2009-04-27 03:45:37 PM  
bearsfolks: No mention of the other networks whose noses are so far up the new President's a** that objectivity is out of the question.. I guess the country really shouldn't have access to an opposing viewpoint. Everybody fall in lockstep now.

Ah yes, the Sarah Palin interpretation of the First Amendment. "If you criticize, or disagree with me, you are violating my first amendment rights"
 
2009-04-27 04:08:22 PM  
 
2009-04-27 04:13:50 PM  
Man, 5% of the people think that Fox News is too easy on Obama.
 
2009-04-27 04:17:47 PM  
Interesting; it appears that almost one in five people calling themselves "Republicans" is at least still receiving intermittent postcards from reality.
 
2009-04-27 04:19:42 PM  
Dr. Rosenrosen: Man, 5% of the people think that Fox News is too easy on Obama.

Those are the scariest ones.
 
2009-04-27 04:22:09 PM  
Dr. Rosenrosen: Man, 5% of the people think that Fox News is too easy on Obama.

Higher; 6% chose all of the networks. Looking closely, the 5% looks to be those who felt Fox is too easy on him, but thought there was at least one network that wasn't too easy on him.

Otherwise, the 3% Republicans, 4% Democrats, and 7% of independents breakdown for that row is... semi-surreal.
 
2009-04-27 04:29:12 PM  
absoluteparanoia: Dr. Rosenrosen: Man, 5% of the people think that Fox News is too easy on Obama.

Those are the scariest ones.


Did you happen to notice that more Dems(4%) and Inds(7%) think Fox is too easy on Obama than Reps(3%)?
 
2009-04-27 04:31:01 PM  
abb3w: 6% chose all of the networks. Looking closely, the 5% looks to be those who felt Fox is too easy on him, but thought there was at least one network that wasn't too easy on him.

So that means that those 6% who think all networks are too easy represent the hardcore, fringe republicans taking the survey in their abortion-proof bunker in Utah.

Whereas the 5% who think Fox News is too easy but others aren't are those that cannot process information in a logical fashion. (e.g. "Fox News is a bunch of liberal punks, but I think that Al Jazerra is really giving the President a fair hearing.")
 
2009-04-27 04:32:03 PM  
satchel13: Did you happen to notice that more Dems(4%) and Inds(7%) think Fox is too easy on Obama than Reps(3%)?

Are those differences statistically significant?
 
2009-04-27 04:38:26 PM  
satchel13: Did you happen to notice that more Dems(4%) and Inds(7%) think Fox is too easy on Obama than Reps(3%)?

Those can't be statistically significant unless they have a huge N.
 
2009-04-27 04:40:52 PM  
satchel13:
Did you happen to notice that more Dems(4%) and Inds(7%) think Fox is too easy on Obama than Reps(3%)?

For now I'm just going to assume that it indicates 4% of Dems didn't understand the poll.
 
2009-04-27 04:46:47 PM  
absoluteparanoia: satchel13: Did you happen to notice that more Dems(4%) and Inds(7%) think Fox is too easy on Obama than Reps(3%)?

Those can't be statistically significant unless they have a huge N.


Since when does statistical significance have anything to do with a fark debate? No, they probably are not, but who knows since I didn't see the N in the article.

I'm curious though...I will agree that the cited percentages are probably not statistically significant. Please tell me which of the number in the poll ARE statistically significant and why.

/Still find it interesting that 71% do not think Fox is too critical of Obama...
 
2009-04-27 04:54:51 PM  
necropoultryac: bearsfolks: No mention of the other networks whose noses are so far up the new President's a** that objectivity is out of the question.. I guess the country really shouldn't have access to an opposing viewpoint. Everybody fall in lockstep now.

THIS

If this goes green both of us will be under attack for saying bad things about the messiah. not return to the thread for any sort of intellectual debate.


FTFY.

Being critical is fine - that's the whole point. But as a news company, you should at least try to not lie. I'll let the "fascism" hypocrisy go, even.
 
2009-04-27 04:54:57 PM  
satchel13: I'm curious though...I will agree that the cited percentages are probably not statistically significant. Please tell me which of the number in the poll ARE statistically significant and why.

According to the article linked below the graph, the 95% confidence interval is + or - 3.5%. So any between-group differences greater than that can be considered "statistically significant". That means that is likely that you would find a difference between those groups again if you conducted the same survey with a completely different sample drawn from the same population. The value of 3.5% is calculated based on their sample size (which was not given) and the consistency of people's responses.
 
2009-04-27 05:00:19 PM  
Dr. Rosenrosen: Man, 5% of the people think that Fox News is too easy on Obama.

The Teabagger demographic.
 
2009-04-27 05:06:47 PM  
satchel13: I'm curious though...I will agree that the cited percentages are probably not statistically significant. Please tell me which of the number in the poll ARE statistically significant and why.

This is probably the most difficult question to answer in statistics. I do this for a living. If I don't spend at least 3 paragraphs explaining it then I would basically be dumbing it down to the point of lying to you.

But the answer has to do with the true value that the survey seeks to measure. For example you need a very low N to verify that the ratio of men to women is 1:1. You need a very very high N to find out what the ratio of transgendered people to the remainder.
 
2009-04-27 05:21:54 PM  
Headline writer is stupid. Poll doesn't SHOW that Fox News is too critical of Obama, it just shows that this is the public's perception.

There IS a difference.
 
2009-04-27 05:32:37 PM  
absoluteparanoia: Those can't be statistically significant unless they have a huge N.

I don't do this for a living.

Rule-of-thumb, the 7% vs. 3% might be threshold significant at the usual ~1000 person poll, but not excitingly. This one, the answers are more than simple "Plaid or Paisley" choices, so the hope of excitement is even less.

absoluteparanoia: If I don't spend at least 3 paragraphs explaining it then I would basically be dumbing it down to the point of lying to you.

Dumbing it down to the point of lying: for a sample of N people, differences of less than SQRT(N) people are likely-as-not measurement error. For N=1000, that's about 3%.

For less lying, go read a statistics textbook.
For understanding, go take a statistics course.
 
2009-04-27 05:32:54 PM  
It's the propaganda arm of the RNC, so there is that to consider.
 
2009-04-27 05:35:06 PM  
And I have no problem with this.

Like him or not, Barack Obama is now the President of the United States of America, a position that holds an incredible amount of power, perhaps more power than any one person has a right to.

Anyone who would hold such power not only should but deserves to have his every action analyzed, scrutinized and criticized at every given opportunity.

The caveat to this is to keep your criticisms legitimate and relevant.

THIS... Is where Fox News fails.
 
2009-04-27 05:35:55 PM  
bearsfolks: No mention of the other networks whose noses are so far up the new President's a** that objectivity is out of the question.. I guess the country really shouldn't have access to an opposing viewpoint. Everybody fall in lockstep now.

I'd ask you to prove it, but you dipshiats never can.
 
2009-04-27 05:36:48 PM  
necropoultryac: bearsfolks: No mention of the other networks whose noses are so far up the new President's a** that objectivity is out of the question.. I guess the country really shouldn't have access to an opposing viewpoint. Everybody fall in lockstep now.

THIS

If this goes green both of us will be under attack for saying bad things about the messiah.


Yeah, it is the inglorious liberal media that is forcing the vast majority of Americans to have a favorable view of Obama while overwhelmingly rejecting your policies. Not the fact that the policies that you have promoted are utter, miserable and tired failures. It is the liberal media. Conservative media, such as Fox News, the Wall Street Journal, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Michael Savage and the like, reach almost nobody.
 
2009-04-27 05:36:51 PM  
Left when bush was president: Damn it, we need media that is tough on the president!
Left when obama is president: Whaaaaa, fox is tough on the president.
 
2009-04-27 05:40:06 PM  
bearsfolks: No mention of the other networks whose noses are so far up the new President's a** that objectivity is out of the question.. I guess the country really shouldn't have access to an opposing viewpoint. Everybody fall in lockstep now.

"Nearly three-in-ten (29%) select Fox when asked which of six broadcast and cable news networks have been too critical of the new Democratic president, a far greater share than any other network. In contrast, no one TV network is singled out for being too easy on Obama."

So you're just going to ignore the last sentence then?
 
2009-04-27 05:40:28 PM  
dude, teleprompter.



GAME. SET. MATCH.
 
2009-04-27 05:41:02 PM  
To illustrate my point...

OMGz! Obumba uzzis telepropter!
Uh... Yeah, and?
OMGz! U dinkz da koolayd!
 
2009-04-27 05:41:13 PM  
necropoultryac: necropoultryac: bearsfolks: No mention of the other networks whose noses are so far up the new President's a** that objectivity is out of the question.. I guess the country really shouldn't have access to an opposing viewpoint. Everybody fall in lockstep now.

THIS

If this goes green both of us will be under attack for saying bad things about the messiah.


rudycarrera.com

Oh, you...you poor soul. It must be such a terrible weight to bear.
 
2009-04-27 05:41:16 PM  
I came for pew kitty. Leaving most pleased.
 
2009-04-27 05:41:30 PM  
Spanky_McFarksalot: Left when bush was president: Damn it, we need media that is tough on the president!
Left when obama is president: Whaaaaa, fox is tough on the president.


Right when Bush is President: AMERICA fark YEAH WE'LL PUT A BOOT IN YOUR ASS
Right when Obama is President: OH GOD WHAT IS THIS CHOCOLATE MAN DOING I MUST SECEDE
 
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