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(Chicago Sun-Times)   Badly mixed supplement to blame for polo horse deaths, most of the home runs hit in the 1990s   (suntimes.com) divider line 50
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2009-04-24 10:32:20 AM
I hope the pharmacy does the right thing. Anyone with an affected horse should get half off their next few orders.

/whoops, where you wanted "Vitamin C" I thought it said "Cyanide"...my bad
 
2009-04-24 10:33:51 AM
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2009-04-24 10:46:29 AM
I demand Congress look into this immediately. Clearly it falls under their jurisdiction.
 
2009-04-24 10:52:41 AM
MacEnvy: I demand Congress look into this immediately. Clearly it falls under their jurisdiction.

FEMA?
 
2009-04-24 10:54:40 AM
Nothing like day old news to get the juices flowing.
 
2009-04-24 10:55:36 AM
terrible thing.

horse owner is definitely looking at a large check soon.
 
2009-04-24 10:57:14 AM
I demand this is be banned immediately. Fark, at least Androstenedione never killed anyone.
 
2009-04-24 10:57:27 AM
Heineken Skywalker: Nothing like day old news to get the juices flowing.

Yeah, way to beat a dead horse huh?
 
2009-04-24 10:58:02 AM
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/hotlinky
 
2009-04-24 10:58:23 AM
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2009-04-24 10:58:44 AM
Kanyon: I demand this to is be banned immediately. Fark, at least Androstenedione never killed anyone.


/FTFM
*sips coffee*
 
2009-04-24 10:59:17 AM
You sure it wasn't some Chinese pet/horse food company?
 
2009-04-24 11:00:00 AM
Home runs from badly mixed supplements? I need to get some badly mixed supplements.
 
2009-04-24 11:00:04 AM
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2009-04-24 11:00:15 AM
I blame Prince Charles.
 
2009-04-24 11:00:25 AM
Kanyon: I demand this is be banned immediately. Fark, at least Androstenedione never killed anyone.

This

But hey, now all sorts of far more dangerous designers are available.
 
2009-04-24 11:00:52 AM
So, 21* horses died?
 
2009-04-24 11:01:22 AM
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Holy s**t!
There were blanks in that gun!
I didn't even point the gun at him!
Holy s**t!
There WERE blanks in that gun!
Maybe he had a heart attack.
Holy s**t!
 
2009-04-24 11:02:04 AM
Poor horses. :(
 
2009-04-24 11:02:21 AM
nitefallz: MacEnvy: I demand Congress look into this immediately. Clearly it falls under their jurisdiction.

FEMA?


I think that guy works at Outback Steakhouse now.
 
2009-04-24 11:03:18 AM
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Mr. Ed frown upon these shenanigans.
 
2009-04-24 11:04:33 AM
Is this going to lead to a decrease in demand for glue???

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2009-04-24 11:04:47 AM
we should ban horses
 
2009-04-24 11:06:41 AM
nitefallz: MacEnvy: I demand Congress look into this immediately. Clearly it falls under their jurisdiction.

FEMA?


Ironically, as the former Commissioner of the International Arabian Horse Association, this is one of the few things Mike Brown would be qualified to look into.

/Perhaps that was what you were referencing?
 
2009-04-24 11:10:08 AM
tweekster: But hey, now all sorts of far more dangerous designers are available.

As long as we're winning the drug war and thinking of the children, that's ok.
 
2009-04-24 11:13:05 AM
Kanyon: tweekster: But hey, now all sorts of far more dangerous designers are available.

As long as we're winning the drug war and thinking of the children, that's ok.


Although if I recall correctly subby is wrong. It wasn't badly mixed supplements in the 90s, it was straight up AAS since that was not banned in baseball. They tried blaming "supplements" angle more recently but that was in the last 3-4 years I think.

Or maybe I have my timeline off. But hell even creatine got a bad reputation because of McGuire.
 
2009-04-24 11:15:28 AM
www.post-gazette.com
 
2009-04-24 11:15:50 AM
Kanyon: Kanyon: I demand this to is be banned immediately. Fark, at least Androstenedione never killed anyone.


/FTFM
*sips coffee*


Ha ha! Well played sir! You are now farkied!
 
2009-04-24 11:23:25 AM
tweekster: Although if I recall correctly subby is wrong. It wasn't badly mixed supplements in the 90s, it was straight up AAS since that was not banned in baseball. They tried blaming "supplements" angle more recently but that was in the last 3-4 years I think.

Or maybe I have my timeline off. But hell even creatine got a bad reputation because of McGuire.


No you're right. It was AAS in the mid-90's but it was McGwire who made Androstenedione (and the other prohormones) famous. LOL, I still remember some jerk off at the gym telling me that creatine was a steroid back when all this was coming out. *sigh*
 
2009-04-24 11:26:18 AM
Kanyon: No you're right. It was AAS in the mid-90's but it was McGwire who made Androstenedione (and the other prohormones) famous. LOL, I still remember some jerk off at the gym telling me that creatine was a steroid back when all this was coming out. *sigh*

Didn't the Androstenedione turn out to be AAS and not Androstenedione? It just put it in the national spotlight with lots of outrage and therefore a big problem.

The stupidity of that who debacle is just astounding. The sad thing is people are far less safe now..hell there is an NO2 supplement that is putting a mixture of designers in it...
 
2009-04-24 11:36:44 AM
Probably should've asked this horse if he liked it..

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2009-04-24 11:39:10 AM
The Drunk IT Guy: Probably should've asked this horse if he liked it..

No sir, he didn't.
 
2009-04-24 11:41:25 AM
tweekster: Didn't the Androstenedione turn out to be AAS and not Androstenedione? It just put it in the national spotlight with lots of outrage and therefore a big problem.

The stupidity of that who debacle is just astounding. The sad thing is people are far less safe now..hell there is an NO2 supplement that is putting a mixture of designers in it...


I have no doubt (though I also have no solid evidence) that McGwire was using real gear at least prior to his homerun race. But using it during the homerun race...I don't think that's ever been proven (could be wrong). There's speculation that he copped to the Andro use to diverge any suspicion from using the real juice. There was supposedly a bottle of Andro found in his locker. I imagine that it probably was in fact Andro since if you have access to the "real deal", you're probably not going to mess around with oral delivery.

And what is this NO2 supplement called? I'm not interested in using it, but I gotta see this for myself.
 
2009-04-24 11:46:39 AM
Kanyon: And what is this NO2 supplement called? I'm not interested in using it, but I gotta see this for myself.

It saw the discussion on t-nation or anabolicminds in the last few weeks, I am doing a couple searches cause my memory is hazy on what it was called.

I'll post a link and the name when I find it.
 
2009-04-24 11:55:44 AM
Discussion (new window)

I was going to post the product link but I don't want to post a place you can purchase it online (for other people that don't read my warning) But you can easily google "super nox"

I was incorrect, it was not a mixture of designers, just one (Superdrol). They recommend 12 weeks of use

In case anyone else is reading this. DO NOT TAKE THIS, it is outright dangerous and bad things will occur. In fact take this as a reason why you should really know what is in a supplement you are taking because some MFGs put things you don't want in it.
 
2009-04-24 11:59:18 AM
The story here is not that the supplement was mixed badly, it's that it included an illegal drug that they never should have had in the first place.

Basically, this firm in Ocala (where a huge number of big-time thoroughbreds are born and train) has a large amount of an illegal performance-enhancing drug, and refuses to explain why they have it.
 
2009-04-24 12:17:24 PM
tweekster: I was going to post the product link but I don't want to post a place you can purchase it online (for other people that don't read my warning) But you can easily google "super nox"

12 weeks and 20 mgs a serving of the most harsh legal PH on the market? Holy.farking.shiat. There are definitely going to be some horror stories of neophyte dumbasses who farked themselves up on this stuff. I haven't heard of them before now but what a completely irresponsible company. I hope their business fails.

Thanks for the link. Fascinating but truly scary.
 
2009-04-24 12:24:40 PM
Kanyon: tweekster: I was going to post the product link but I don't want to post a place you can purchase it online (for other people that don't read my warning) But you can easily google "super nox"

12 weeks and 20 mgs a serving of the most harsh legal PH on the market? Holy.farking.shiat. There are definitely going to be some horror stories of neophyte dumbasses who farked themselves up on this stuff. I haven't heard of them before now but what a completely irresponsible company. I hope their business fails.

Thanks for the link. Fascinating but truly scary.


That about sums up my reaction when I saw that. It's insanity. And the sad thing is that it will be used as justification for why the original (much safer) formulas were banned. I don't think they are protecting anyone with these bans and in fact more people are in danger.
 
2009-04-24 12:33:56 PM
tweekster: That about sums up my reaction when I saw that. It's insanity. And the sad thing is that it will be used as justification for why the original (much safer) formulas were banned. I don't think they are protecting anyone with these bans and in fact more people are in danger.

I completely agree. And eventually I'm sure the DEA will get around to banning Superdrol et al (actually, I read several months ago that a ban was coming for Phera, Tren, and Boldenone's precursor but there hasn't been any movement on it for awhile) which will lead to supplement companies cooking up even less effective, more dangerous, hormonal products. Dumbasses who don't know what they're doing will still mess themselves up trying to get hyoooge, and the cycle will repeat itself ad infinitum. What can you do though? Anyone who even suggests that the real gear compounds are fairly benign if treated with respect and if the user knows what he is doing is instantly shouted down with THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!1!-type whargarble. Nothing to do but watch the slow motion trainwreck continue, I suppose.

Wow, we sure threadjacked the shiat of this thread, eh tweekster?
 
2009-04-24 12:43:24 PM
Kanyon: tweekster: That about sums up my reaction when I saw that. It's insanity. And the sad thing is that it will be used as justification for why the original (much safer) formulas were banned. I don't think they are protecting anyone with these bans and in fact more people are in danger.

I completely agree. And eventually I'm sure the DEA will get around to banning Superdrol et al (actually, I read several months ago that a ban was coming for Phera, Tren, and Boldenone's precursor but there hasn't been any movement on it for awhile) which will lead to supplement companies cooking up even less effective, more dangerous, hormonal products. Dumbasses who don't know what they're doing will still mess themselves up trying to get hyoooge, and the cycle will repeat itself ad infinitum. What can you do though? Anyone who even suggests that the real gear compounds are fairly benign if treated with respect and if the user knows what he is doing is instantly shouted down with THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!1!-type whargarble. Nothing to do but watch the slow motion trainwreck continue, I suppose.

Wow, we sure threadjacked the shiat of this thread, eh tweekster?


I heard the ban is coming this summer, not sure whats all on the list but your list sounds about right. The weird thing is that most people using those compounds seem to be those that have no business touching them. Not because they are too young (which is another issue all together), but because they run cycle after cycle and are still nowhere near the point weight wise that they should even be touching them. I personally missed all the of the real ph's back before the original bans, probably a good thing anyways because I was too young and inexperienced in training. I recently saw a supplement store to buy mag10, but I kind of wonder what sort of potency it has left, and they jacked the price up too.

Atleast subby did bring up supplement use in baseball, so we only partially threadjacked.
 
2009-04-24 01:03:04 PM
tweekster: I heard the ban is coming this summer, not sure whats all on the list but your list sounds about right. The weird thing is that most people using those compounds seem to be those that have no business touching them. Not because they are too young (which is another issue all together), but because they run cycle after cycle and are still nowhere near the point weight wise that they should even be touching them. I personally missed all the of the real ph's back before the original bans, probably a good thing anyways because I was too young and inexperienced in training. I recently saw a supplement store to buy mag10, but I kind of wonder what sort of potency it has left, and they jacked the price up too.

Agreed, I wish at least there was some sort of age restriction on these products (21), but the supplement industry just runs wild and then we get cases like what you mentioned when people use them improperly and problems come up...or incredibly unsafe products like SuperNOX.

If the expiration date hasn't come yet I imagine it's still good but what do I know. In the last 18 or months or so I felt like I got to the point where I could try some of these products (I think you and I are the only ones still reading this so I'll probably avoid the LOLbiatchTITS and LOLTINYBALLS jokes). I've tried PheraFlex (4 weeks), Jungle Warfare (contains a mild prohormone, 8 weeks), and stacked Bold200 and Havoc together...(Bold and Havoc the first 4 weeks, Bold solo the last 4). Of these, the only one that really impressed me was Havoc. Tremendous strength gains, great pumps, and I swear no matter how much I tortured my muscles they just kept begging for more. Everything else I was pretty meh on. No sides except for some painful back pumps (supplementing with Taurine seemed to help) however I was running Anabolic Innovation Cycle Support the whole time, which is supposed to minimize the risk of side effects. YMMV but if you want to try one (I'm assuming you haven't) that would be the one I recommend from personal experience...with proper support supplements and PCT of course. But you sound fairly informed on this stuff...you probably don't need my advice.
 
2009-04-24 01:08:39 PM
what a stupid headline .... makes no sense
 
db2
2009-04-24 01:26:48 PM
So a supplement is to blame?

Now that's a horse of a different color.
 
2009-04-24 01:51:38 PM
tassimau: Heineken Skywalker: Nothing like day old news to get the juices flowing.

Yeah, way to beat a dead horse huh?


Sick of this life
Not that you'd care
I'm not the only one
With whom these feelings I share

Nobody understands, quite why we're here
Searching for answers
That never appear

But maybe if I looked real hard I'd
I'd see your trying too
To understand this life
That we're all going through
(Then when she said she was going to like wreck my car... I didn't know what to do)

Sometimes I feel like I'm beating a dead horse
An I don't know why you'd be bringing me down
I'd like to think that our love's worth a tad more
It may sound funny but you'd think by now
I'd be smiling
I guess some things never change
Never change

I met an old cowboy
I saw the look in his eyes
Something tells me he's been here before
'Cause experience makes you wise
I was only a small child
When the thought first came to me
That I'm a son of a gun and the gun of a son
That brought back the devil in me

Sometimes I feel like I'm beating a dead horse
An I don't know why you'd be bringing me down
I'd like to think that our love's worth a tad more
It may sound funny but you'd think by now
I'd be smiling
I guess some things never change
Never change

I ain't quite what you'd call an old soul
Still wet behind the ears
I been around this track a couple o' times
But now the dust is starting to clear
Oh yeah!!!

Sometimes I feel like I'm beating a dead horse
An I don't know why you'd be bringing me down
I'd like to think that our love's worth a tad more
It may sound funny but you'd think by now
I'd be smiling
Ooh yeah, I'd be smiling
No way I'd be smiling
Ooh smiling

Sick of this life
Not that you'd care
I'm not the only one
With whom these feelings I share
 
2009-04-24 02:02:50 PM
Kanyon: snip


I emailed you, let me know if you got it.
 
2009-04-24 02:22:47 PM
tweekster: I emailed you, let me know if you got it.

Got it. I'll respond when I have a moment.
 
2009-04-24 02:28:18 PM
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/Too Soon?
 
2009-04-24 04:14:31 PM
Obviously, someone doesn't care much for rich people and their polo horses. What's all the fuss about? Just buy some more damn horses, Richie Rich, and STFU.
 
2009-04-24 06:35:24 PM
Subby didn't say "Botched Batch"?

Disappointed.
 
2009-04-24 07:54:06 PM
FTFA: It wasn't clear how closely Franck's mixture came to the name-brand drug, though. Lechuza said what they ordered was supposed to contain vitamin B, potassium, magnesium and selenium, a mineral that can be toxic in high doses.

*facepalm* This is why non-medical news sources shouldn't diagnose. Selenium is toxic in large doses, but the symptoms don't match up (and it usually is slower acting in toxicity). This looks more like they overdid the Potassium and the horses became hyperkalemic.
 
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