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(NHL)   Goal against Martin Brodeur with 0.2 seconds left in 3rd period lifts Carolina to series tie   (nhl.com ) divider line
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2009-04-22 01:55:07 AM  
And wow, watching him right after they scored...

"*Insert Brodeur appropriate string of expletives*"
 
2009-04-22 01:59:02 AM  

Deathbymeteor: And wow, watching him right after they scored...

"*Insert Brodeur appropriate string of expletives*"


He's just pissed everything fell apart after he collected his record. Now there's this guy, Luongo, who's about to write him out of history

You might be grumpy too
 
2009-04-22 02:01:18 AM  

Hiro's Protagonist: Deathbymeteor: And wow, watching him right after they scored...

"*Insert Brodeur appropriate string of expletives*"

He's just pissed everything fell apart after he collected his record. Now there's this guy, Luongo, who's about to write him out of history Interference should've been called.

You might be grumpy too


FTFY
 
2009-04-22 02:04:05 AM  

robsul82: Hiro's Protagonist: Deathbymeteor: And wow, watching him right after they scored...

"*Insert Brodeur appropriate string of expletives*"

He's just pissed everything fell apart after he collected his record. Now there's this guy, Luongo, who's about to write him out of history Interference should've been called.

You might be grumpy too

FTFY


No, no it shouldn't have. It was incidental contact, and from the replays, Brodeur was set and facing the shot by the time it came.
 
2009-04-22 02:07:11 AM  

jekostas: robsul82: Hiro's Protagonist: Deathbymeteor: And wow, watching him right after they scored...

"*Insert Brodeur appropriate string of expletives*"

He's just pissed everything fell apart after he collected his record. Now there's this guy, Luongo, who's about to write him out of history Interference should've been called.

You might be grumpy too

FTFY

No, no it shouldn't have. It was incidental contact, and from the replays, Brodeur was set and facing the shot by the time it came.


Dude, incidental contact at least has SOME footing in reality, Brodeur being set does not. While some see incidental and I see a clear shoulder bump by a player who, SHOCKINGLY, knows how to 1) skate backwards and 2) figure out with stunning accuracy where the goalie is behind him, Marty had less than a second from bump to shot. Marty may be the greatest of all time, but he's not able to do that.
 
2009-04-22 02:08:21 AM  
Brodeur is a whining ass pussy. he got beat, that is all.
 
2009-04-22 02:09:40 AM  

What_Would_Jimi_Do: Brodeur is a whining ass pussy. he got beat, that is all.


robsul82 is in that same book.
 
2009-04-22 02:10:59 AM  
At the end of the day, I'll say it again, all this did was piss off Marty.

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The Carolina Hurricanes won't like Marty when he's angry.

/from Devils in 5 to Devils in 6, that's all
 
2009-04-22 02:12:20 AM  

What_Would_Jimi_Do: What_Would_Jimi_Do: Brodeur is a whining ass pussy I'm a giant homer who doesn't give a shiat how my team wins, either legally or illegally.

I'm in that same book.


FTFY
 
2009-04-22 02:12:59 AM  
outside the crease, the goalie is pretty much just another player
 
2009-04-22 02:13:33 AM  

Hiro's Protagonist: outside the crease, the goalie is pretty much just another player


Except the part in the rulebook where interference still counts if the goalie's outside the crease, that's EXACTLY right.
 
2009-04-22 02:13:52 AM  
robsul82: Marty may be the greatest of all time, but he's not able to do that.? he isn't even top 5 of all time.
 
2009-04-22 02:15:36 AM  
robsul i am not a hurricanes fan so you lose. nothing happened that should have been called. you are a whiny pussy. get over it.
 
2009-04-22 02:17:00 AM  

robsul82: Hiro's Protagonist: outside the crease, the goalie is pretty much just another player

Except the part in the rulebook where interference still counts if the goalie's outside the crease, that's EXACTLY right.


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2009-04-22 02:17:03 AM  

What_Would_Jimi_Do: robsul82: Marty may be the greatest of all time, but he's not able to do that.? he isn't even top 5 of all time.


That's absurd, even for someone who puts Roy/Hasek/Tretiak above him. I mean, shiat, that still puts Marty at #4.

What_Would_Jimi_Do: robsul i am not a hurricanes fan so you lose. nothing happened that should have been called. you are a whiny pussy. get over it.


Believe the North Carolinian, don't believe the North Carolinian, hmm...
 
2009-04-22 02:18:07 AM  

robsul82: What_Would_Jimi_Do: robsul82: Marty may be the greatest of all time, but he's not able to do that.? he isn't even top 5 of all time.

That's absurd, even for someone who puts Roy/Hasek/Tretiak above him. I mean, shiat, that still puts Marty at #4.

What_Would_Jimi_Do: robsul i am not a hurricanes fan so you lose. nothing happened that should have been called. you are a whiny pussy. get over it.

Believe the North Carolinian, don't believe the North Carolinian, hmm...


10. Ed Belfour 9. Turk Broda 8. Bill Durnan 7. Martin Brodeur 6. Ken Dryden 5. Jacques Plante 4. Glenn Hall 3. Terry Sawchuk 2. Dominik Hasek 1. Patrick Roy
 
2009-04-22 02:19:52 AM  

What_Would_Jimi_Do: robsul82: What_Would_Jimi_Do: robsul82: Marty may be the greatest of all time, but he's not able to do that.? he isn't even top 5 of all time.

That's absurd, even for someone who puts Roy/Hasek/Tretiak above him. I mean, shiat, that still puts Marty at #4.

What_Would_Jimi_Do: robsul i am not a hurricanes fan so you lose. nothing happened that should have been called. you are a whiny pussy. get over it.

Believe the North Carolinian, don't believe the North Carolinian, hmm...

10. Ed Belfour 9. Turk Broda 8. Bill Durnan 7. Martin Brodeur 6. Ken Dryden 5. Jacques Plante 4. Glenn Hall 3. Terry Sawchuk 2. Dominik Hasek 1. Patrick Roy


A decent list, despite the obvious mistake.
 
2009-04-22 02:20:30 AM  

Hiro's Protagonist: outside the crease, the goalie is pretty much just another player


Wrong.

Rule 41.3: "A goalkeeper is not 'fair game' just because he is outside the goal crease area. The appropriate penalty should be assessed in every case where an opposing player makes unnecessary contact with a goalkeeper. However, incidental contact, at the discretion of the Referee, will be permitted when the goalkeeper is in the act of playing the puck outside his goal crease provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such contact."

Rule 69.1 "Goals should be disallowed only if: (1) an attacking player, either by his positioning or by contact, impairs the goalkeeper's ability to move freely within his crease or defend his goal; or (2) an attacking player initiates intentional or deliberatecontact with a goalkeeper, inside or outside of his goal crease. Incidental contact with a goalkeeper will be permitted, and resulting goals allowed, when such contact is initiated outside of the goal crease, provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such contact."

Contact with a goalie outside of the crease is OK only where (i) that contact is incidental and (ii) the opposing player makes a reasonable effort to avoid the contact.

The goalie is most certainly NOT just like any other player, whether he's in the crease or not.
 
2009-04-22 02:21:26 AM  

robsul82: Hiro's Protagonist: outside the crease, the goalie is pretty much just another player

Except the part in the rulebook where interference still counts if the goalie's outside the crease, that's EXACTLY right.


There wasn't interference at all. You're allowed to hold your ice. Screens are allowed

If Jokinen had been in the middle of the blue and Brodeur was trying to move out from the net, then it could have been interference because that ice is reserved for the goalie.

Besides, Brodeur was pissed because he thought the buzzer had sounded
 
2009-04-22 02:21:56 AM  

El_Perro: Hiro's Protagonist: outside the crease, the goalie is pretty much just another player

Wrong.

Rule 41.3: "A goalkeeper is not 'fair game' just because he is outside the goal crease area. The appropriate penalty should be assessed in every case where an opposing player makes unnecessary contact with a goalkeeper. However, incidental contact, at the discretion of the Referee, will be permitted when the goalkeeper is in the act of playing the puck outside his goal crease provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such contact."

Rule 69.1 "Goals should be disallowed only if: (1) an attacking player, either by his positioning or by contact, impairs the goalkeeper's ability to move freely within his crease or defend his goal; or (2) an attacking player initiates intentional or deliberatecontact with a goalkeeper, inside or outside of his goal crease. Incidental contact with a goalkeeper will be permitted, and resulting goals allowed, when such contact is initiated outside of the goal crease, provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such contact."

Contact with a goalie outside of the crease is OK only where (i) that contact is incidental and (ii) the opposing player makes a reasonable effort to avoid the contact.

The goalie is most certainly NOT just like any other player, whether he's in the crease or not.


And whichever side you're on, Jokinen made zero attempt to avoid the contact, so it's just whether it's incidental or not. I'm going with Brodeur being stationary after moving up, Jokinen having room around him, and his path into Brodeur that clearly could've been avoided by said empty space.
 
2009-04-22 02:22:41 AM  

Hiro's Protagonist: robsul82: Hiro's Protagonist: outside the crease, the goalie is pretty much just another player

Except the part in the rulebook where interference still counts if the goalie's outside the crease, that's EXACTLY right.

There wasn't interference at all. You're allowed to hold your ice. Screens are allowed

If Jokinen had been in the middle of the blue and Brodeur was trying to move out from the net, then it could have been interference because that ice is reserved for the goalie.

Besides, Brodeur was pissed because he thought the buzzer had sounded


I'm not arguing screens. Screen the shiat out of him. I'm arguing unnecessary contact that wasn't incidental.
 
2009-04-22 02:23:44 AM  
you robsul82, aren't we both yankees fans. i have no dog in the fight and it wasn't interference.
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2009-04-22 02:24:59 AM  

El_Perro: Wrong.


Wrong!

I said pretty much, there's a whole heap of nuanced rules for goalies. As I explained, but after you wrote your post, there was no grounds for a penalty or disallowing the goal.

Want me to cite other irrelevant rules involving goaltenders?
 
2009-04-22 02:25:41 AM  

What_Would_Jimi_Do: you robsul82, aren't we both yankees fans. i have no dog in the fight and it wasn't interference.


That's a pretty insulting caricature of Devils fans.

/I'm just being a biatch now
//dude, you're from Carolina, so I have to assume
 
2009-04-22 02:26:13 AM  

Hiro's Protagonist: There wasn't interference at all. You're allowed to hold your ice. Screens are allowed


But moving into the goalie is not allowed, even if the goalie is out of his crease.

I'm not saying that this particular call was wrong (I've watched the replay too many times to count, and I'm just not sure - given that the interference rule specifically leaves the call to the refs on the ice, and prohibits video review, I think it's tough to really criticize a close call like that). I'm simply saying that the issue is whether Brodeur ran into Jokinen, or whether Jokinen ran into Brodeur (or made any reasonable effort to avoid him), and that the fact that Brodeur was out of the crease is not determinative.

Now, Carolina's 3rd goal..... that, I think, was a pretty clear blown call....
 
2009-04-22 02:26:13 AM  
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robsul82: Hiro's Protagonist: robsul82: Hiro's Protagonist: outside the crease, the goalie is pretty much just another player

Except the part in the rulebook where interference still counts if the goalie's outside the crease, that's EXACTLY right.

There wasn't interference at all. You're allowed to hold your ice. Screens are allowed

If Jokinen had been in the middle of the blue and Brodeur was trying to move out from the net, then it could have been interference because that ice is reserved for the goalie.

Besides, Brodeur was pissed because he thought the buzzer had sounded

I'm not arguing screens. Screen the shiat out of him. I'm arguing unnecessary contact that wasn't incidental.


once the goalie went outside the crease to instigate contact he is a player in that field and not the goalie.
 
2009-04-22 02:26:58 AM  

robsul82: What_Would_Jimi_Do: you robsul82, aren't we both yankees fans. i have no dog in the fight and it wasn't interference.

That's a pretty insulting caricature of Devils fans.

/I'm just being a biatch now
//dude, you're from Carolina, so I have to assume


i'm a stars fan
 
2009-04-22 02:27:17 AM  

What_Would_Jimi_Do: rrobsul82: Hiro's Protagonist: robsul82: Hiro's Protagonist: outside the crease, the goalie is pretty much just another player

Except the part in the rulebook where interference still counts if the goalie's outside the crease, that's EXACTLY right.

There wasn't interference at all. You're allowed to hold your ice. Screens are allowed

If Jokinen had been in the middle of the blue and Brodeur was trying to move out from the net, then it could have been interference because that ice is reserved for the goalie.

Besides, Brodeur was pissed because he thought the buzzer had sounded

I'm not arguing screens. Screen the shiat out of him. I'm arguing unnecessary contact that wasn't incidental.

once the goalie went outside the crease to instigate contact he is a player in that field and not the goalie.


See further up in the thread, under "...that's exactly right." Interference still counts if you're outside the crease, I think people are confused on that point.
 
2009-04-22 02:27:24 AM  

Hiro's Protagonist: I said pretty much, there's a whole heap of nuanced rules for goalies. As I explained, but after you wrote your post, there was no grounds for a penalty or disallowing the goal.

Want me to cite other irrelevant rules involving goaltenders?


Again (as I said after your post), I'm not saying this was a bad call. I'm only disputing that this call was a no-brainer because Brodeur was out of his crease. That's not the issue.
 
2009-04-22 02:28:33 AM  

What_Would_Jimi_Do: robsul82: What_Would_Jimi_Do: you robsul82, aren't we both yankees fans. i have no dog in the fight and it wasn't interference.

That's a pretty insulting caricature of Devils fans.

/I'm just being a biatch now
//dude, you're from Carolina, so I have to assume

i'm a stars fan


The team the Devils beat in 2000 for the Cup?

/that explains Belfour
//c'mon, had to
 
2009-04-22 02:30:08 AM  
Link

Ignore what the announcers are saying. Brodeur skates into Jokinen just as much as Jokinen (blindly) skates into Brodeur 6 feet from the crease. He went off balance because he chose to shove Jokinen to give himself more room

Don't bother trying to argue that was goaltender interference. Brodeur does not have license to skate anywhere in the rink with a guarantee that no player comes within 2 feet of touching him
 
2009-04-22 02:30:22 AM  
Just to be clear, we're now at a best-of-three with home ice advantage and the refs sure to be VERY sensitive on interference calls from here on, so I'm certainly not biatching because I think we're gonna lose. Just that we should've seen OT. I mean, fark, we might be tied 2-2 anyway.
 
2009-04-22 02:31:09 AM  
no sense arguing here. we need a walk off.

www.boston.com
 
2009-04-22 02:32:49 AM  

Hiro's Protagonist: Link

Ignore what the announcers are saying. Brodeur skates into Jokinen just as much as Jokinen (blindly) skates into Brodeur 6 feet from the crease. He went off balance because he chose to shove Jokinen to give himself more room

Don't bother trying to argue that was goaltender interference. Brodeur does not have license to skate anywhere in the rink with a guarantee that no player comes within 2 feet of touching him


this
 
2009-04-22 02:33:37 AM  
El_Perro
I agree with you then

I think robsul is trying to argue Brodeur is entitled to take over any piece of ice without being touched. If he hadn't pushed Jokinen with his glove hand, it wouldn't have even been noticed

With everything that was happening, I think Brodeur's temper took over his better judgement and he seriously lost it before he left the ice
 
2009-04-22 02:34:02 AM  

robsul82: What_Would_Jimi_Do: robsul82: What_Would_Jimi_Do: you robsul82, aren't we both yankees fans. i have no dog in the fight and it wasn't interference.

That's a pretty insulting caricature of Devils fans.

/I'm just being a biatch now
//dude, you're from Carolina, so I have to assume

i'm a stars fan

The team the Devils beat in 2000 for the Cup?

/that explains Belfour
//c'mon, had to


explains belfour? wtf are talking about
 
2009-04-22 02:34:39 AM  

What_Would_Jimi_Do: no sense arguing here. we need a walk off.


bullrunnings.files.wordpress.com

"Has everybody gone CRAZY?!? Am I the only one who gives a SHIAT about the RULES?!?"
 
2009-04-22 02:35:26 AM  

What_Would_Jimi_Do: robsul82: What_Would_Jimi_Do: robsul82: What_Would_Jimi_Do: you robsul82, aren't we both yankees fans. i have no dog in the fight and it wasn't interference.

That's a pretty insulting caricature of Devils fans.

/I'm just being a biatch now
//dude, you're from Carolina, so I have to assume

i'm a stars fan

The team the Devils beat in 2000 for the Cup?

/that explains Belfour
//c'mon, had to

explains belfour? wtf are talking about


Belfour was the Stars' goalie for the Cup run in 2000, right? Just light homer teasing, that's all.
 
2009-04-22 02:36:29 AM  

Hiro's Protagonist: El_Perro
I agree with you then

I think robsul is trying to argue Brodeur is entitled to take over any piece of ice without being touched. If he hadn't pushed Jokinen with his glove hand, it wouldn't have even been noticed

With everything that was happening, I think Brodeur's temper took over his better judgement and he seriously lost it before he left the ice


No, I'm saying Brodeur was stationary and the player contacted him without need. Not that "Brodeur is entitled to take over any piece of ice without being touched."
 
2009-04-22 02:38:04 AM  

robsul82: What_Would_Jimi_Do: no sense arguing here. we need a walk off.

"Has everybody gone CRAZY?!? Am I the only one who gives a SHIAT about the RULES?!?"


you might wanna check into a rehab son.
 
2009-04-22 02:39:04 AM  

What_Would_Jimi_Do: robsul82: What_Would_Jimi_Do: no sense arguing here. we need a walk off.

"Has everybody gone CRAZY?!? Am I the only one who gives a SHIAT about the RULES?!?"

you might wanna check into a rehab son.


How long have you gone without seeing Lebowski? You've gotta remedy that soon.
 
2009-04-22 02:39:07 AM  
correction - it was blocker not glove hand that he pushed off jokinen trying to draw a whistle/penalty. I don't know what the play was before, but Brodeur dogged it taking his sweet time to stand up from one knee just before

that announcer is very annoying, and completely dishonest with himself "I'm not being a homer here"
 
2009-04-22 02:39:22 AM  

robsul82: Hiro's Protagonist: El_Perro
I agree with you then

I think robsul is trying to argue Brodeur is entitled to take over any piece of ice without being touched. If he hadn't pushed Jokinen with his glove hand, it wouldn't have even been noticed

With everything that was happening, I think Brodeur's temper took over his better judgement and he seriously lost it before he left the ice

No, I'm saying Brodeur was stationary and the player contacted him without need. Not that "Brodeur is entitled to take over any piece of ice without being touched."


staionary moving to outside the crease?
 
2009-04-22 02:40:22 AM  
brodeur was in no sense sitting still, he moved outside the crease.
 
2009-04-22 02:40:26 AM  

robsul82: No, I'm saying Brodeur was stationary


You are wrong. Look at that video I linked, you can see Brodeur skate out and move up ice while Jokinen is going side to side
 
2009-04-22 02:40:26 AM  

What_Would_Jimi_Do: robsul82: Hiro's Protagonist: El_Perro
I agree with you then

I think robsul is trying to argue Brodeur is entitled to take over any piece of ice without being touched. If he hadn't pushed Jokinen with his glove hand, it wouldn't have even been noticed

With everything that was happening, I think Brodeur's temper took over his better judgement and he seriously lost it before he left the ice

No, I'm saying Brodeur was stationary and the player contacted him without need. Not that "Brodeur is entitled to take over any piece of ice without being touched."

staionary moving to outside the crease?


No, moving to outside the crease to stationary. It's all there on video.
 
2009-04-22 02:41:04 AM  

Hiro's Protagonist: robsul82: No, I'm saying Brodeur was stationary

You are wrong. Look at that video I linked, you can see Brodeur skate out and move up ice while Jokinen is going side to side


Directly before the hit, Brodeur is stopped. He's not moving anymore. That is what I'm talking about.
 
2009-04-22 02:41:28 AM  

Hiro's Protagonist: robsul82: No, I'm saying Brodeur was stationary

You are wrong. Look at that video I linked, you can see Brodeur skate out and move up ice while Jokinen is going side to side


this robsul accept it son
 
2009-04-22 02:41:57 AM  
If it's the YouTube video I assume you're talking about, 2:46-2:48, Brodeur comes to a stop. Then the shoulder.
 
2009-04-22 02:43:43 AM  

What_Would_Jimi_Do: Hiro's Protagonist: robsul82: No, I'm saying Brodeur was stationary

You are wrong. Look at that video I linked, you can see Brodeur skate out and move up ice while Jokinen is going side to side

this robsul accept it son


Dude, I'm not saying he was never moving, lol. He was stopped right before he got accidentally on purpose skated into.
 
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