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(Daily Mail)   It doesn't matter whether you're a war reporter, a world famous explorer or a round the world yachtsman, you still need to fill out an eight page health and safety assessment before the BBC will let you light a portable stove   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 46
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2009-04-18 02:10:21 PM  
It doesn't matter who you are, a war reporter, a famous explorer, or a round the world yachtsman, you still might sue the BBC if you fark things up when trying to light a portable stove. (And so the insurance company would like you to fill out paperwork).
 
2009-04-18 03:49:03 PM  
www.americanreview.us

/most unimpressed.
 
2009-04-18 04:11:14 PM  
sloppy shoes: It doesn't matter who you are, a war reporter, a famous explorer, or a round the world yachtsman, you still might sue the BBC if you fark things up when trying to light a portable stove. (And so the insurance company would like you to fill out paperwork).

Hate to say it, but "this"

it's stupid, but the BBC is trying to cover their ass.
 
2009-04-18 04:25:31 PM  
I'm surprised the BBC let those guys handle the eight pages, because they could have potentially got som paper cuts.
 
2009-04-18 04:26:02 PM  
sooner or later you dance with the reaper
 
2009-04-18 04:29:31 PM  
Well pretty sure these three guys aren't gonna sue if they burn themselves lighting the stove....or anything else...

However, doesn't mean some family member might sue them if one of them died on show.

When the legal system has been "profitized" this shiat happens.
 
2009-04-18 04:30:02 PM  
Reminds me of the spoof of Star Trek where The Borg enounters Microsoft:

"But Data, I though all Lawers where hurled into the Sun during the great awakening of 2045."

Data: "Apparently, Sir, some survived"..."Sir, they appear to be tearing the Borg apart".

Capt: "Viewer off, I cannot stand to watch!"
 
2009-04-18 04:30:18 PM  
skinink: I'm surprised the BBC let those guys handle the eight pages, because they could have potentially got som paper cuts.

Not since they introduced their safety sheets of circular paper
 
2009-04-18 04:35:36 PM  
Peer into the future with me:

2010: BBC lifts requirments for skill documentation and training.
2011: BBC sued by 3 most experienced explorers in the world when a portable stove tips over and they claim "nobody told us about that!"

/Damn, I am so cynical
 
2009-04-18 04:37:30 PM  
Came for the "nanny" reference - leaving sorely disappointed.
 
2009-04-18 04:38:56 PM  
Since the hammond incident the HSE has been all over them like a cheap suit.
 
2009-04-18 04:39:17 PM  
Its not called the nanny state for nothing. I'm surprised a bog roll doesn't come with a 10-page legal document to sign off on in case of accident.
 
2009-04-18 04:41:49 PM  
The lawyers win again.
 
2009-04-18 04:46:34 PM  
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2009-04-18 04:57:30 PM  
Having seen (heard actually, since it woke me up) people light themselves on fire with Coleman stoves in the middle of the night, I agree with this.

Why do they always call for me when they're having "issues" and it's 40 below?

/winter warfare
 
2009-04-18 05:10:25 PM  
sloppy shoes: It doesn't matter who you are, a war reporter, a famous explorer, or a round the world yachtsman, you still might sue the BBC if you fark things up when trying to light a portable stove. (And so the insurance company would like you to fill out paperwork).

This is it, exactly. That is also the way the industry works. You have to fill out a comprehensive risk assessment form, and take all precautions, for every individual location prior to shooting.

You also have to ensure that everyone working has been told where safety equipment and fire exits are located.

I've done it. With, incidentally, the BBC form. It's annoying, but you have to go through the motions of filing the paperwork and providing the safety measures. If individuals choose to ignore the stated warnings or refuse the safety measures, then you are not legally responsible for any resulting accidents.

All that matters is being able to answer to your superiors that they are legally and financially protected.
 
2009-04-18 05:15:45 PM  
They shouldn't let them go outside. They look old and fragile, they might snap in two. Nobody wants pieces of the elderly lying all over the place.
 
2009-04-18 05:17:01 PM  
Sir Robin, meanwhile, was the first man to sail singlehanded and non-stop around the globe, and in 1994 won the Jules Verne Trophy for the fastest circumnavigation of the world by yacht.

Brave, brave, brave Sir Robin.
 
2009-04-18 05:17:27 PM  
THIS gets greenlit and yet shiat like this doesnt?!


BBC Journalist sentenced to death (New window.)
 
2009-04-18 05:18:26 PM  
CornFedIowan:

Brave, brave, brave Sir Robin.


Came here to post this. Well done, sir!
 
2009-04-18 05:21:16 PM  
"...in case they have an accident."

Like what? Sharting while they are using the gas stove? Peeing their pants, because they are laughing too hard, while the stove in use?
 
2009-04-18 05:21:44 PM  
Great, now "Wynona Had A Big Brown Beaver" is stuck in my head.
 
2009-04-18 05:21:57 PM  
Dances-With-Lobster

Came for Frank West, leaving satisfied.

/how many page health assessment to cover zombies?
 
2009-04-18 05:25:41 PM  
Page 5, Line 11:
Do you trust cashews nuts? If so, why? (minimum 500 word answer)
 
2009-04-18 05:36:53 PM  
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nods approvingly
 
2009-04-18 05:45:40 PM  
CrispFlows: THIS gets greenlit and yet shiat like this doesnt?!


BBC Journalist sentenced to death (New window.)


Maybe if there was something there it would.
 
2009-04-18 05:49:38 PM  
Imagine the health and safety forms for a show like Monty Python.
 
2009-04-18 05:53:45 PM  
fernandez: Not since they introduced their safety sheets of circular paper

Circles still have edges. Try spherical paper instead.
 
2009-04-18 05:55:09 PM  
Veteran of the Cola Wars: Imagine the health and safety forms for a show like Monty Python.

The Pythons would have mocked them in the show itself, thus revealing their inherent absurdity.
 
2009-04-18 06:05:08 PM  
CornFedIowan: Veteran of the Cola Wars: Imagine the health and safety forms for a show like Monty Python.

The Pythons would have mocked them in the show itself, thus revealing their inherent absurdity.




Yes. The Ministry of Pompous Paperwork.

Fill out form 33B-A11211 or I shall smack you with my rubber stamp!

**Thwap!**

I warned you!

Every signature is sacred, every form is good. Every paper needs to be filled out in your neighborhood.
 
2009-04-18 06:18:31 PM  
How much paperwork must Jeremy, Richard, and James fill out for a single Top Gear episode?
 
2009-04-18 06:19:23 PM  
sloppy shoes: It doesn't matter who you are, a war reporter, a famous explorer, or a round the world yachtsman, you still might sue the BBC if you fark things up when trying to light a portable stove. (And so the insurance company would like you to fill out paperwork).

Here is a small tip to the sweetly naive Brits from a jaded American:
Have them fill out all the forms you want, dummies, if they want to sue you, any good contract attorney can FIND A WAY. Even as a lowly 1L, I promise you there is something you missed, even if your contracts are thick as phone books.

But please, continue allowing the US to mock you for your foolishness as you try and fail to protect yourselves. We'll watch.
 
2009-04-18 06:28:09 PM  
The paperwork isn't really that bad. I can understand BBC trying to cover their arse legally. However, I see no reason for them to have someone supervise grown men lighting a stove. That just way oversteps the bounds of being cautious and hops right into sissy territory.
 
2009-04-18 07:07:39 PM  
The BBC, like any other television company have to do what their insurers tell them to do. There is the same problem in every other nation too. Thats why the have to hire so many stunt people.
 
2009-04-18 07:08:02 PM  
Gyrfalcon: Even as a lowly 1L, I promise you there is something you missed, even if your contracts are thick as phone books.

Hopefully, by the time you get to 3L, they'll have taught you that the more you put in a contract, the less secure it is. Best contract:

In consideration of whatever I was paid, I promise not to sue you. _____________________
 
2009-04-18 07:14:27 PM  
1000Monkeys: fernandez: Not since they introduced their safety sheets of circular paper

Circles still have edges. Try spherical paper instead.


Or mobius strips....they at least only have one edge!
 
2009-04-18 07:19:25 PM  
um if i was the "observer" id start asking them for tips and stories.... more or less they should observe me....
 
2009-04-18 07:58:03 PM  
BBC: "Now, I know you have all survived in the most dangerous of places, and that there is even someone here who had the strength of mind and body to CUT OFF his own fingertips to prevent worse frostbite, but please don't touch the gas stove until young Jimmy over there has the opportunity to get the fire department and an ambulance on hand. We are most certain that you lack the required training to use this piece of machinery. What's that you say? You use this on boats? Well, I can assure you, this is a different model and that gizmo there and this doodad here serve completely different functions than what you are used to, and the on off knob requires advanced knowledge of calculus to turn. Oh and Sir Robin, don't forget to fasten the bubble wrap around your knees and tape the pillow to your buttocks before you go about sitting or kneeling.
 
2009-04-18 08:18:41 PM  
They should take their show to the US.
 
2009-04-18 08:50:24 PM  
Given that this is from the Daily Fail and that the BBC produces Top Gear, I'm willing to bet there's more to this.
 
2009-04-18 08:52:58 PM  
Understands this all too well:
Link (new window)
Stroke J.
 
2009-04-18 09:24:11 PM  
ds394: Peer into the future with me:

2010: BBC lifts requirments for skill documentation and training.
2011: BBC sued by 3 most experienced explorers in the world when a portable stove tips over and they claim "nobody told us about that!"

/Damn, I am so cynical


Then they deserve to burn as they're not the "most experienced" to begin with.
 
2009-04-18 11:48:08 PM  
CrispFlows: THIS gets greenlit and yet shiat like this doesnt?!


BBC Journalist sentenced to death (New window.)


You think this is worthy of a greenlit?


This is the news Web site of the Associated Press, its member newspapers and broadcasters.

To get the latest news from the AP and a member Web site, click on the state and select a member from the list. To close the menu, click on the state again.
 
2009-04-19 01:37:43 AM  
TheGreatGazoo: How much paperwork must Jeremy, Richard, and James fill out for a single Top Gear episode?

They have spoofed it on several occasions - the episode where they decided to pave a road in 12 hours (instead of the usual week) comes to mind.
 
2009-04-19 02:59:42 AM  
stoppit: Came for the "nanny" reference - leaving sorely disappointed.

That goes without saying. Even the English recognize what kind of country they're living in, so we just don't waste our breath.
 
2009-04-19 05:45:25 AM  
I used to work for the BBC.

My entire office was taken "off-duty" for a day to have two half-day training sessions for health and safety:

In the morning, we learnt how to use a kettle safely - "Do not place hand in kettle while boiling. To check if kettle is full, DO open lid and look. DO NOT raise kettle above head, look up, and tip to see if you can see water in it." (seriously).

In the afternoon, we were taught how to use a revolving door. "Approach door with caution. Examine surroundings. If you feel safe, enter door. Walk through. Emerge at other side. Do not stop and sit in revolving door while it is in motion."

ARGH!
 
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