Arnold originally didn't want to do T2 because he didn't want to be in any violent movies as the bad guy. So they re-wrote the script and made him the good guy then watered down the violence as much as possible.

I'm glad he's not in Salvation, this is a movie that *needs* to be as dirty, gritty and as violent as possible. Also, Arnold was the T-100, and I am assuming that the movie takes place at the start or at least in the first half of the war, before Skynet was against the ropes. So they'd have earlier model Terminators and no time-travel tech. I hope it releases with an "R" rating, but I hear that the studio heads have mandated it be PG-13.

However, McG could release an unrated "Directors Cut" on DVD with some really brutal footage of the machine war. So here's hoping that he does.

rcain: Arnold I hope it releases with an "R" rating, but I hear that the studio heads have mandated it be PG-13.

However, McG could release an unrated "Directors Cut" on DVD with some really brutal footage of the machine war. So here's hoping that he does.

Sorry dude, PG-13.

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I really hope they have Summer Glau do at least a Cameo. That would be cool.

I thought Ahnold was the T-800.

Is it public opinion?

zz9: I really hope they have Summer Glau do at least a Cameo. That would be cool.

why, she is basically not canon in the new movies

zz9: I really hope they have Summer Glau do at least a Cameo ME. That would be cool.

FTFM!

gopher321: Depending if T3 was 'canon' or not, this makes no sense. The Terminatrix was responsible for Skynet and she passed on the info she had in her systems I'm sure - all about Connor, time travel and terminator tech, etc.

Well, I'm not sure if T1 is canon, but Kyle Reese told Sarah that time travel was new at the time he left, invented by Skynet when the tides turned under Conner's leadership in order to alter history by killing Conner as a child. Also, he said that there were several models of terminator, each revision getting more and more complex until humans couldn't tell them by site alone and had to rely on dogs to suss them out. The T-100 at that time was the baddest one they had at that time.

But, T3 could certainly take canon away from T1, it was more made for hollywood and the story line definitely looks better in the eyes of your average hollywood exec: totally sexy but dangerous babe, troubled suburban youth, some car chases, older adult figure takes in younger punk and teaches hims some life skills, capped off by an "ultimate" showdown ... ohh wait, that was T2.

However, with Christian Bale in the lead... I have a feeling this movie might have something to it.
I don't think he'd go for a story where nothing bad really happens because you can just time travel it away. But you never know.

I just hope to god that the Sarah Conner Chronicles doesn't set any canon *shudder*

rcain: Also, Arnold was the T-100

Yea, I can see the resemblance:



/hint: He was the T-800, MODEL 101

zz9: I really hope they have Summer Glau do at least a Cameo. That would be cool.

Yes, what this movie needs is someone with the acting chops of Hayden Christensen and a blank stare that can bore you into a coma.

Worst. Terminator. Evar

Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude: /hint: He was the T-800, MODEL 101

got me there, been awhile since I read up on the terminator stuff.
And I don't remember that scene from any of the movies... is that from the SCC?

/hate the very premise of that show

Yep, T-800 specially coated with skin for time travel. I think at one point skynet sends a T-800 coated in skin in to infiltrate the resistance as well but I doubt that will be part of this story.

rcain: The T-100 at that time was the baddest one they had at that time.

T-800 series. Model 101.

rcain: got me there, been awhile since I read up on the terminator stuff.
And I don't remember that scene from any of the movies... is that from the SCC?

/hate the very premise of that show

That's from T3 (which wasn't ALL that bad...). It's the T-1 series, although the one next to it's labeled as T-105. Maybe T-100 is just shortened to T-1 and the 105 is just a series upgrade, like the T-850 was for the T-800. They aren't too great on model canon. Although most of the directors, games, etc. agree on Ahnold's version.

And I agree, The SCC are an abortion of The Terminator series and sci-fi in general. Horrible, horrible show that does nothing but capitalize on the name.

I kinda like some of the SCC episode (especially the one where Summer Glau goes glitchy and does that "I'm okay now. I ran a test" thing) but I'm glad they started the series out with a little time jump to effectively separate it from the canonical series. Very courteous of them.

Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude: That's from T3 (which wasn't ALL that bad...). It's the T-1 series, although the one next to it's labeled as T-105. Maybe T-100 is just shortened to T-1 and the 105 is just a series upgrade, like the T-850 was for the T-800. They aren't too great on model canon. Although most of the directors, games, etc. agree on Ahnold's version.

And I agree, The SCC are an abortion of The Terminator series and sci-fi in general. Horrible, horrible show that does nothing but capitalize on the name.

I believe that's supposed to be T-1, number 05. At one point they show a whole row of them numbered T101, T102, T103, etc in sequence. They just ran the numbers together for no reason.

Maybe it's the fact that THE STATE HE'S IN CHARGE OF IS A FREAKING SHAMBLES SO HE NEEDS TO BE DOING HIS JOB.

Oh, wait, that can't be it, he doesn't do jack shiat anyway.

In the T2 commentary, Cameron states that the Model 101s all look like Schwarzenegger, with a 102 looking like someone else, leading to speculation that the 101 refers to the physical appearance while the 800 refers to the endoskeleton common to many models. A scene deleted from the theatrical cut, but restored in the Terminator 2 Special Edition, lends the most credence to this explanation. In this scene, John and Sarah shut down The Terminator for modification according to his instructions. When he reboots, the upper-left of his HUD reads "Cyberdyne Systems Series 800 Model 101 Version 2.4". Additionally, the original Terminator 2 teaser trailer further verifies this on a display monitor during cyborg tissue generation, referencing the Series 800 Model 101.

eventually a bunch of people are going to get all butt hurt over te SCC hate.

/and i could care less

they jacked the time lines up between t1 and t2 but that can be forgiven since Cameron was still the man back then. 3 jacks the time line up even more.
Then ther is the show, well the show is the show and should stand alone in it's own universe and stop farking with my favorite childhood movies. But wouldn't ther be some kind of time paradox where Jon from T3 and Jon for the show would be coesisting in the same time period but with one like 12 years younger. dont you think they would try to team up with him, if for no other reason to have another gun, or send the kid way into the future and let grown up jon handle the shiat in the tv show?

I'm sorta curious about when it is exactly he stops being a wuss and becomes teh bad ass that Bale will portray him as.

/no i didn't proof read this

penguins have rocket launchers: they jacked the time lines up between t1 and t2 but that can be forgiven since Cameron was still the man back then. 3 jacks the time line up even more.

What does that mean?

Terminator was in 84 which means jon would have been sometime in the late 84/85 time line. T2 is in like 91 but i think they set it in 94. i could be wrong there. but that means he is about 10 when him and bobby budnick and cruising around ripping off atm machines and hittin on chicks at the mall arcade. that's assuming it is 1994 that the movie takes place, if it was 91 which is when it came out he would be 7. on a dirt bike. fighting robots.

Headline: Someone or something is keeping Ah-nold from being in Terminator.

Me: Maybe he just has his hands full farking up Cali-fornia.

/just a thought

Wow. There is a lot of hate in here for Sarah Connor Chronicles that I simply don't understand. It was a little slow midway through this season to be sure, but on the whole I thought it was a great show that really added a lot to the mythology and character depth of the franchise - the kind of stuff that couldn't possibly be fit into a 2 hour movie. Plus the relationship between John and Cameron had just the right amount of subtle creepiness. I thought it did an excellent job of staying true to its predecessors while carving out its own (excellent) niche in the franchise.

At the very least it was certainly better than T3.

rcain:
I just hope to god that the Sarah Conner Chronicles doesn't set any canon *shudder*

Well, Bale plays an adult John Connor and the show's season/series? finale ends with teenage John Connor going into the future after Judgment Day. That doesn't sound canon to me.

Fark It: Christian Bale agreed to do the movie only after an extensive re-write of the script and got Jonathan Nolan on board to help re-write (He co-wrote The Dark Knight and Memento with the more famous Nolan).


You don't have to tell me who Nolan is, I have all that guy's movies on DVD, special edition box sets that I paid actual cash for. You should check out "Following", a really good piece of film noir he did as an indy flick some years ago. However, I don't see Nolan listed in the writing credits^, of course that proves nothing, but it does seem strange.

Bale might just be the one to make sure that this movie doesn't suck.
However, he's not listed as a producer for the movie, but it might be in his contract provisions to get say on the script and filming. I could see him taking this production seriously, since he does have that reputation, but so far see nothing to really back up anything beyond him playing the lead role.

ROFLWAFFLE: Well, Bale plays an adult John Connor and the show's season/series? finale ends with teenage John Connor going into the future after Judgment Day. That doesn't sound canon to me.

OMFWTFBBQ!! They really farked it up that bad?
I knew it was bad from the half an episode I tried to watch, but my god...
they actually went full-tilt rapey?

I hope that show is off the air.
It's plug... PULL IT!

The TV show (and the movies) established that the timeline is changeable. Judgment Day is inevitable, but everything else is up for grabs.

But as the song goes...

Repeat to yourself ",It's just a show. I should really just relax."

IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: In the T2 commentary, Cameron states that the Model 101s all look like Schwarzenegger, with a 102 looking like someone else, leading to speculation that the 101 refers to the physical appearance while the 800 refers to the endoskeleton common to many models. A scene deleted from the theatrical cut, but restored in the Terminator 2 Special Edition, lends the most credence to this explanation. In this scene, John and Sarah shut down The Terminator for modification according to his instructions. When he reboots, the upper-left of his HUD reads "Cyberdyne Systems Series 800 Model 101 Version 2.4". Additionally, the original Terminator 2 teaser trailer further verifies this on a display monitor during cyborg tissue generation, referencing the Series 800 Model 101.

I'm not sure why we need to 'lend credence' to an explanation that comes straight from the horses proverbial mouth.

James Cameron wrote, directed...invented the Terminator universe. If he says that's why a 101 looks like Arnold and a 102 looks like Franco, well, that's why.

It only makes sense anyway, if they all look like Arnold they're easy to spot, and the design premise of that unit was infiltration (explained in the first film by Reese).

fusillade762: Where you can see "CSM-101" reflected in the sunglasses.

Which stands for Cyberdyne Systems Model - 101. He's a series 800, model 101. Hence T-800 Model 101.

IMHO needs to be in future Terminator movies

A younger Kyle Reese is in the new movie, but played by Anton Yelchin this time.

DreadnaughtZeta: A younger Kyle Reese is in the new movie, but played by Anton Yelchin this time.


Do not want.

fusillade762: Then there's the original Terminator movie poster (that graced my wall all through high school):

I had a huge Italian poster of that, but it had a face like this one, which is the ultimate, if you ask me:

It's not your father's Terminator.

GungFu: fusillade762: Then there's the original Terminator movie poster (that graced my wall all through high school):

I had a huge Italian poster of that, but it had a face like this one, which is the ultimate, if you ask me:

that is super awesome.

i think Arnold is in this one. They will CGI his face on the body of a younger body builder terminator guy.

McG is smart. He's saving us a surprise, unlike JJ Abrams who bragged about Nimoy being in the new Star Trek.

I'm not a money/ get rich kinda guy, but damn, if I had the bucks...

Man, I love T1 and T2. T3 was pretty fun, but not worth all my geek love.

T.rex: McG is smart. He's saving us a surprise, unlike JJ Abrams who bragged about Nimoy being in the new Star Trek.

Yea that kind of bugged me. Every secret about that film was already all over the internet like 6 months ago.

They have a real-life Arnold clone, an Austrian Mr. Universe Roland Kickinger, playing the T-800 Model 101. He's so Arnold-like everybody would know that's who he's supposed to be even if they don't get Arnold to do anything.

Mugato: McG is smart.

Yeah, directing two Charle's Angels movies and calling himself "McG" certainly demonstrates that.

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T:SSC was a better show than Terminator 3 was a movie; but I thought T4 was treating neither as strictly in canon. With the way the tv show established how time travel worked, though, both could be canon at the same time, but have been different iterations of various time loops.