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2009-04-12 07:02:59 PM  
Maybe this is a silly idea, but can't they make smaller boats, something in the 60-80 foot range, that are well armed and armored with a minimal crew and have the ships that go through that dangerous area tow these smaller boats along for safety? If pirates come along, the smaller boat cuts loose and goes on the attack. I would guess that there are roughly equal numbers of ships going each way through the suez so the attack boats could keep going back and forth under tow. A large container ship probably wouldn't see any meaningful reduction in fuel economy by towing a much smaller vessel. This would mean that the cargo ships wouldn't have to have firearms on board so no worries about what to do with them later on.
 
2009-04-12 07:03:30 PM  
boybunny: lurkster: boybunny: So how hard would it have been to have surrounded the lifeboat and to have aided them to shore... and then given the option of a continued standoff, or for them to leave the hostage at the boat and to leave on foot? Giving them a fighting chance of survival would not have backed them into a corner. If you promise only death or lifetime in jail, with no chance of getting out alive otherwise, then people WILL fight to the death. Your inability to understand the basic animal and human reaction to fight to the death when cornered speaks volumes... though I can give you credit for at least asking for another option.

Get onshore, and then what? It's a standoff either way. If you're not mentally prepared to die for your cause, then why even do it? Why take a hostage in the first place when you know that eventually one of the crew, or possibly your hostage themselves, would fight back and possibly kill you?

There's no way countries could keep paying millions of dollars in ransom to thieves. It's like a child who misbehaves - if you give them what they want when they do it, it becomes learned behavior and they keep doing it to get what they want.

Again. You are so lacking in mental abilities that you can not understand the natural "fight or Flight" reaction to danger. USA does not need to pay a ransom to four terrified pirates, only needs to offer FREEDOM if they leave their hostage. Oh, USA would need to keep it's word. It may be able to kill four pirates in retaliation, but it means that no hostages would ever survive from that point onward because no one would trust the word of another American.

It is VERY doubtful that any pirate would be keen to get himself into the same situation again. Few Americans know what real terror is... damn you pussies get Post Traumatic Stress Disorder in Iraq whewn you are the ones in armored tanks, wearing body Armour, with all the biggest bombs, guns and with planes with bombs only minutes away to help you... while the people who oppose you have a bomb they need to put on the side of the road and a couple of AK47s... farking pussy American soldiers. If Americans knew what terror was, like havig your hands literally in the hands of people with all the bombs in the world, and knowing that you only survive through their good grace, you are seriously going to rethink your lifestyle.

If yo are stupid enough to get into that situation and do not rethink your lifestyle... then you are never going to kill a hostage in fear of having your legs blown off and slowly bleeding to death as you sink below the waves.

But Americans are all pussies that have inferiority complexes, so call themselves brave as they hide behind the largest stockpile of ranged weapons in history. No need to understand human behavior if you can claim that are tough as nails while siting on a warm padded seat. Oh, and before talking about seals... no one outside America believes the Seals are tough. OK, my mentally deficient brother does, but he believes that Ninjas can fly just like in the American movies as well.


So, what would you think was going on in the last 2 days? We just sat there looking at them, with them looking at us? Do you think there has been no conversation before the shootings happened? Jesus Farking Christ, we had one of their guys on board our ship. Clearly negotiations didn't work with these people.

And I love the fact that you say this: "If Americans knew what terror was, like havig your hands literally in the hands of people with all the bombs in the world, and knowing that you only survive through their good grace, you are seriously going to rethink your lifestyle.

If yo are stupid enough to get into that situation and do not rethink your lifestyle... then you are never going to kill a hostage in fear of having your legs blown off and slowly bleeding to death as you sink below the waves."

Isn't this exactly what you're preaching against? It's good enough for "chest thumping Americans", but not good enough for Somali thieves who are extorting money from anyone and everyone possible?

I have no idea where you're from, nor do I care. I can however see that you're by no means living in the real world.

I'm tired of feeding the trolls. I'm going to go make fun of people in TFD.
 
2009-04-12 07:03:37 PM  
I'm curious as to the rescued Captain's politics. If he's an Obama supporter, Fox will drop this story like a rock.
 
2009-04-12 07:04:57 PM  
Befuddled, who would pay for the design, development and production? A specific country, an individual company?

Sure, there are answers to how to protect one's ships from this, yet there are legal and financial reasons they aren't done.
 
2009-04-12 07:04:59 PM  
johnny_vegas: You weep for the pirates and you curse the Seals. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that the pirate's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And the Seals existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives...You don't want the truth. Because deep down, in places you don't talk about at parties, you want the Seals on that sea. You need the Seals on that sea.

bp1.blogger.com
 
2009-04-12 07:05:06 PM  
SirFark: SEALs could shoot skeet while treading water in 20' swells.
SEALs know more ways to kill you than you know how to die.
SEALs bloody OWN the oceans. SEALs OWN the night.
Make no mistake - they... make things happen.
Rock on, Teams.


I don't disagree with your post but tell me something. You were fapping with your other hand while you typed that weren't you? We both know you were.
 
2009-04-12 07:05:44 PM  
Freepers need to explain how this action gels with their Obama narrative. Wouldn't an appeaser have paid the ransom? Redistribute the wealth - pirates only need money because their families are hungry...

Wouldn't a spineless hack have refused to allow the military do their job? Wouldn't an arrogant but inexperienced, ignorant politician have gone out last week and announced at least part of the plan ahead of the action in order to silence critics and take credit? The fact of the matter is the pirates had no idea military action was on the table because Obama refused to give hints. They thought this would be a simple negotiation.

Seems to me that Obama - even if his *only* role was to authorize what the military recommended - he did it against his deepest ideology (as portrayed by the GOP.) He completely ignored the bedwetting, pussy route - even though it was always an option. He wouldn't have been the first president to tell the military to hold off.

Perhaps Obama is not the person he has been accused of being. I mean, why not just pay the ransom - a few million dollars is nothing to a guy who writes checks in the trillions, amiright? Face it Freepers, you were caught off guard. Obama did the exact opposite of what your characterization of him would have done.
 
2009-04-12 07:06:16 PM  
Befuddled: Maybe this is a silly idea, but can't they make smaller boats, something in the 60-80 foot range, that are well armed and armored with a minimal crew and have the ships that go through that dangerous area tow these smaller boats along for safety? If pirates come along, the smaller boat cuts loose and goes on the attack. I would guess that there are roughly equal numbers of ships going each way through the suez so the attack boats could keep going back and forth under tow. A large container ship probably wouldn't see any meaningful reduction in fuel economy by towing a much smaller vessel. This would mean that the cargo ships wouldn't have to have firearms on board so no worries about what to do with them later on.

It's too expensive to escort every ship. Part of the solution is to make ships harder to take with slick surfaces, barbed wire, etc.
 
2009-04-12 07:06:26 PM  
Rear Admiral commanding CTF 151

upload.wikimedia.org

I'm sure she's a fine officer and leader.
 
2009-04-12 07:07:14 PM  
i287.photobucket.com

boybunny

I sense a disturbance in the Fark. One that I have not felt in a long time, a very long time......CZARANGELUS
 
2009-04-12 07:07:20 PM  
JOEKC 2009-04-12 06:56:16 PM
Smeggy Smurf: It took Obamessiah long enough to quit being such a candy ass. This shiat should have been done inside of 24 hours not days.

And was the outcome not to your liking? Americans voted out the "shoot first and ask questions later" mentality in November 2008. Perhaps you hadn't heard? Brains are back in style. Go buy one.


Great job Seals and hats off to the President for making the call. The Captain of the Alabama (no, not Gene Hackman) is a hero as are the seals who rescued him.
 
2009-04-12 07:07:29 PM  
Obscene_CNN: NEWS FLASH!!!

Navy had to ask Obama TWICE for the authority to do something.

Why did Obama delay the action?


If you RTFA he had previously ok'ed the first order, and had to ok a second order the following day. Let me ask you why he had to be asked twice?

News flash! Some freeper troll doesn't comprehend English!
 
2009-04-12 07:07:50 PM  
Oh great, after all his campaign promises and speeches, Obama goes out and not only doesn't decrease global warming, he increases it!

Good one!

/hehe
//not sure if it's been mentioned already.
 
2009-04-12 07:08:42 PM  
At the risk of sounding like a troll, I'm waiting for someone to sincerely claim that God intervened for Easter. You know it's coming.
 
2009-04-12 07:08:44 PM  
Sheesh.. Mentat
I meant that Mr. president \ "Skippy" / proll'y did'nt have much to do with the  
finer points of the Op.

Commander in Chief of the United States
 
2009-04-12 07:09:13 PM  
CarkinNormal: boybunny: CthulhuCalling: boybunny:

Good luck with your belief that the pirates will not take American ships. Even if they are terrified with American guns and bombs, they can not easily tell which ship is American while on the water. American ships will be taken. And American crews will just be killed. Well it is Darwinism in action, so it can't be all bad.

This is one instance where I can forgive our military's short sightedness. Imagine being a member of Captain Phillip's family and having this told to you: "Hey there, we didn't rescue your father/husband/son after he seflessly sacrificed himself for the rest of his crew because in the long term, we believe it would hurt our diplomatic standing with Somali fisherman. He is probably rotting in some rusty cage somewhere, starving to death and shiatting his pants with dysentery. Have a nice day!"

The Navy will deal with these people on a case by case basis. They have proved themselves totally capable of this thus far.


They did fail. They failed to understand that there were other options. You fail to accept that there are other options as well. Who the fark wold try to drag an unwilling hostage up a beach with a line of snipers ready to kill them all when they had been promised free passage into a jungle if they leave the hostage behind?

Well no one now... The American military almost certainly used the promise of aid or money to distract the pirates while seals got onto the boat from the other side. Your word has value... if you value it. Unfortunately USA only values it if they promise to kill and destroy. Repeating the lesson to the world does not make anyone more likely to believe you next time if you promise anything other than death and destruction.

His family is inconsequential. The American propaganda machine has learned to make a big deal out of the family of anyone in danger... even if it is the Americans being the aggressors. The reality is that pirates, freedom fighters (terrorists to simpleton Americans), and others do not car a crap about American families... sometimes because American bombs have already killed their own children... hard to feel for the Americans family when you have had to bury your three year old daughter who was killed by friends of the American you hold. In fact I believe that most freedom fighters and resistance fighters show great restraint and god will by just killing American soldiers. I can understand why partisans in WWII would excite their captured enemies sexually only to whip their dicks off and feed them their own balls... few got away with just being executed.

All I can say is that the Iraqi freedom fighters and the Afghan freedom fighters are better people than I am... if Americans ever invaded my home, I would not be so kind.

So with possibly a tiny piece of understanding, why should ANYONE care a flying fark about an Americans family?
 
2009-04-12 07:09:35 PM  
BuckTurgidson: This is the problem with the various forms of violent response advocated by Internet ToughGuys: escalation.

The situation was already escalating. With the gangs bringing in millions in ransom, they were able to buy more and better weapons and ships that allowed them to sail out further and attack more lucrative quarry. Because the rest of the world wasn't doing much to stop them, the risk was fairly minimal. At some point, the world has to draw a line in the water, so to speak. I would rather it be the US that takes the lead. This isn't about nationalist dick-waving, it's a simple acknowledgment that sometimes, force is the best option.
 
2009-04-12 07:09:39 PM  
You know, it may only seem coincidental, but maybe God intervened for Easter...

/just saying
//props to WFern
 
2009-04-12 07:09:48 PM  
IsThisOneTaken: OK, legitimate question...

The AP news story states that snipers shot the three pirates. The news had previously claimed that snipers couldn't get clear shots because they were inside an enclosed lifeboat.

So, which is it?


Scatter food and water all around the enclosed lifeboat.
Pick off pirates as they try to retrieve them.
Simple.
 
2009-04-12 07:11:15 PM  
Thank you President Obama, for concluding this crisis with the calmness and resolve that has become your hallmark.

Oh, and for not invading Zimbabwe.
 
2009-04-12 07:11:47 PM  
Mentat: The pirates should be thankful that it was the US and not the Chinese Navy that got them. Otherwise, they might have had to swim home.

Maybe the Chinese should consider buying some boats for their Navy.

Wait, what?
 
2009-04-12 07:12:42 PM  
I wonder how the operation was carried out, what a sight it must have been from the viewpoint of the captured captain. Noticing three small flashes, and immediatly thereafter seeing your captors bleed from between their eyes and keel over backwards into the deep blue like cinder blocks. (I guess it were snipers.)

Not to mention how farked the 4th pirate must have felt when they brought him the good news.

/doesn't know how it happened
//doesn't make it less kick-ass though
 
2009-04-12 07:13:04 PM  
boybunny: CthulhuCalling: boybunny:

Good luck with your belief that the pirates will not take American ships. Even if they are terrified with American guns and bombs, they can not easily tell which ship is American while on the water. American ships will be taken. And American crews will just be killed. Well it is Darwinism in action, so it can't be all bad.


I wonder what they call those large pieces of cloth they hang off the back of ships?

Either way, if they can't figure out which ships are no American, the game suddenly takes on an interesting angle for them. Maybe they'll think twice before trying.

Damn yo do not know much. Ships that are owned by one country, often fly flags of another country for tax/insurance/access reasons. These ships also have crews that are often multinational.

You also do not know anything about history. Flying a false flag in dangerous waters is something that was invented hundreds if not thousands of years ago.


Learning that being drunk, stupid, and a pirate is no way to go through life is a good lesson.

boybunny: lurkster: boybunny: So how hard would it have been to have surrounded the lifeboat and to have aided them to shore... and then given the option of a continued standoff, or for them to leave the hostage at the boat and to leave on foot? Giving them a fighting chance of survival would not have backed them into a corner. If you promise only death or lifetime in jail, with no chance of getting out alive otherwise, then people WILL fight to the death. Your inability to understand the basic animal and human reaction to fight to the death when cornered speaks volumes... though I can give you credit for at least asking for another option.

Get onshore, and then what? It's a standoff either way. If you're not mentally prepared to die for your cause, then why even do it? Why take a hostage in the first place when you know that eventually one of the crew, or possibly your hostage themselves, would fight back and possibly kill you?

There's no way countries could keep paying millions of dollars in ransom to thieves. It's like a child who misbehaves - if you give them what they want when they do it, it becomes learned behavior and they keep doing it to get what they want.

Again. You are so lacking in mental abilities that you can not understand the natural "fight or Flight" reaction to danger. USA does not need to pay a ransom to four terrified pirates, only needs to offer FREEDOM if they leave their hostage. Oh, USA would need to keep it's word. It may be able to kill four pirates in retaliation, but it means that no hostages would ever survive from that point onward because no one would trust the word of another American.

It is VERY doubtful that any pirate would be keen to get himself into the same situation again. Few Americans know what real terror is... damn you pussies get Post Traumatic Stress Disorder in Iraq whewn you are the ones in armored tanks, wearing body Armour, with all the biggest bombs, guns and with planes with bombs only minutes away to help you... while the people who oppose you have a bomb they need to put on the side of the road and a couple of AK47s... farking pussy American soldiers. If Americans knew what terror was, like havig your hands literally in the hands of people with all the bombs in the world, and knowing that you only survive through their good grace, you are seriously going to rethink your lifestyle.

If yo are stupid enough to get into that situation and do not rethink your lifestyle... then you are never going to kill a hostage in fear of having your legs blown off and slowly bleeding to death as you sink below the waves.

But Americans are all pussies that have inferiority complexes, so call themselves brave as they hide behind the largest stockpile of ranged weapons in history. No need to understand human behavior if you can claim that are tough as nails while siting on a warm padded seat. Oh, and before talking about seals... no one outside America believes the Seals are tough. OK, my mentally deficient brother does, but he believes that Ninjas can fly just like in the American movies as well.


You are verbose, but goddamned stupid as a troll. No more responses to your crazy talk.
 
2009-04-12 07:13:11 PM  
Had to check out freeperville.

Link (new window)

Link (new window)

Egads, the stupid is overpowering there.



/Obama pushed a "George W. Bush"?? WTF???!?!?!?
 
2009-04-12 07:13:20 PM  
Phew! For a minute there, I thought the Obama Administration was going to fail!
 
2009-04-12 07:13:48 PM  
TheYeti: boybunny: Again. You are so lacking in mental abilities that you can not understand the natural "fight or Flight" reaction to danger. USA does not need to pay a ransom to four terrified pirates, only needs to offer FREEDOM if they leave their hostage. Oh, USA would need to keep it's word. It may be able to kill four pirates in retaliation, but it means that no hostages would ever survive from that point onward because no one would trust the word of another American.

It is VERY doubtful that any pirate would be keen to get himself into the same situation again. Few Americans know what real terror is... damn you pussies get Post Traumatic Stress Disorder in Iraq whewn you are the ones in armored tanks, wearing body Armour, with all the biggest bombs, guns and with planes with bombs only minutes away to help you... while the people who oppose you have a bomb they need to put on the side of the road and a couple of AK47s... farking pussy American soldiers. If Americans knew what terror was, like havig your hands literally in the hands of people with all the bombs in the world, and knowing that you only survive through their good grace, you are seriously going to rethink your lifestyle.

If yo are stupid enough to get into that situation and do not rethink your lifestyle... then you are never going to kill a hostage in fear of having your legs blown off and slowly bleeding to death as you sink below the waves.

But Americans are all pussies that have inferiority complexes, so call themselves brave as they hide behind the largest stockpile of ranged weapons in history. No need to understand human behavior if you can claim that are tough as nails while siting on a warm padded seat. Oh, and before talking about seals... no one outside America believes the Seals are tough. OK, my mentally deficient brother does, but he believes that Ninjas can fly just like in the American movies as well.

I'll give you a 6 of 10 for sticking around and defending your specious reasoning in multiple posts.


I give you no points for coming up with well considered responses. You only use one of the sad and tired insult arguments that you have copied from other Americans who use mob mentality online to try to win any argument in the face of reasoned debate. It may surprise you, but bending to the will of the mob is only an American trait. Other people are not so intellectually corrupt.
 
2009-04-12 07:14:01 PM  
Red Shirt Blues: boybunny

I sense a disturbance in the Fark. One that I have not felt in a long time, a very long time......CZARANGELUS


Oh my god.... you may be right, quick alert Tatsuma and grab the popcorn.
 
2009-04-12 07:15:54 PM  
Antonio_Talibanderas: Freepers need to explain how this action gels with their Obama narrative. Wouldn't an appeaser have paid the ransom? Redistribute the wealth - pirates only need money because their families are hungry...

Wouldn't a spineless hack have refused to allow the military do their job? Wouldn't an arrogant but inexperienced, ignorant politician have gone out last week and announced at least part of the plan ahead of the action in order to silence critics and take credit? The fact of the matter is the pirates had no idea military action was on the table because Obama refused to give hints. They thought this would be a simple negotiation.

Seems to me that Obama - even if his *only* role was to authorize what the military recommended - he did it against his deepest ideology (as portrayed by the GOP.) He completely ignored the bedwetting, pussy route - even though it was always an option. He wouldn't have been the first president to tell the military to hold off.

Perhaps Obama is not the person he has been accused of being. I mean, why not just pay the ransom - a few million dollars is nothing to a guy who writes checks in the trillions, amiright? Face it Freepers, you were caught off guard. Obama did the exact opposite of what your characterization of him would have done.


Yes, he did. And I bet he will catch hell from a lot of libs for allowing the execution of poor Somali fishermen who were trying to feed their starving families. These were criminals who deserved a fair trial. The captain was not in mortal danger. They have proved this time and again by releasing hostages after receiving the ransom.
 
2009-04-12 07:16:41 PM  
90supraT: boybunny: And the funny thing is, that Americans are too stupid to generally to understand what this means.

Americans really do not have the ability to work through the logical steps.

This just means that American hostages are now worthless. If Pirates know that death is the result of taking an American hostage, and now possibly English hostages (considering where USA goes, so goes England) then it is actually safer to kill the American because the hostage is just going to slow you down.

But why listen to sense... please continue your American chest beating session.

I would think it would mean "that ship is flying an American flag, fark, better find another cause I dont feel like dying today."


And how well does that work in USA? If someone wants to rob a convenience store, the belief that the convenience store attendant may have a gun behind the counter does not seem to deter them at all... they just change their attack plan and secure the counter at speed before doing anything else. They get a free gun out of it for their troubles.

So if the fear of retaliation works so well in USA, why is America still the laughing stock of the world when it comes to gun related crimes?
 
2009-04-12 07:17:58 PM  
I generally don't run around waving flags and telling people to love it or leave it, but fark yeah.

You don't fark with our citizens, you don't die. Too bad we don't apply this policy to lesser-known crimes against our citizens. Seriously, if this were not all over the news, would the outcome have been the same? Probably not. But at least a message was sent.
 
2009-04-12 07:18:05 PM  
D-O-single_G: johnny_vegas: You weep for the pirates and you curse the Seals. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that the pirate's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And the Seals existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives...You don't want the truth. Because deep down, in places you don't talk about at parties, you want the Seals on that sea. You need the Seals on that sea.

HAHAHAH, nice catch..

/YOU G_DAMN RIGHT OBAMA ORDERED THE CODE RED
 
2009-04-12 07:18:15 PM  
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2227696/posts


I stand corrected.....
 
2009-04-12 07:18:37 PM  
boybunny:

But Americans are all pussies that have inferiority complexes, so call themselves brave as they hide behind the largest stockpile of ranged weapons in history. No need to understand human behavior if you can claim that are tough as nails while siting on a warm padded seat. Oh, and before talking about seals... no one outside America believes the Seals are tough. OK, my mentally deficient brother does, but he believes that Ninjas can fly just like in the American movies as well.



You were doing so well before, but now you're just trying too hard.
 
2009-04-12 07:18:41 PM  
Your Faith is Creepy: Oh, and for not invading Zimbabwe.

It would be the best thing to happen to Rhodesia for decades. Frakking Mugabe.
 
2009-04-12 07:18:44 PM  
This thread was kind of banal until the euro-dipstick brigade showed up and derailed the entire thread. One defending armed aggressive criminal acts and some confused nationalism.

Thanks guys, I rarely see Europe faceplant like that.
 
2009-04-12 07:18:47 PM  
It's kind of disgusting to turn it into a pro or anti Obama thread. He passed his first test on the use of force with flying colors. No US casualties, 3 dead enemy and 1 prisoner. Now, if the prisoner gets asylum or 3 free meals a day in a US prison we have something to complain about.
 
2009-04-12 07:18:52 PM  
boybunny:

But Americans are all pussies that have inferiority complexes, so call themselves brave as they hide behind the largest stockpile of ranged weapons in history. No need to understand human behavior if you can claim that are tough as nails while siting on a warm padded seat. Oh, and before talking about seals... no one outside America believes the Seals are tough. OK, my mentally deficient brother does, but he believes that Ninjas can fly just like in the American movies as well.


Alright cockbag. Let's lay this out. Where are you from? What do you do for a living? What gives you the right to spout this specious crap? What has your country contributed to this world? Come on mr. internet douchebag. List out the reasons that make you so sure of your superiority.

Otherwise, stop your loud ass clapping as it is disturbing and it honestly makes you look like an idiotic troll. To say that American soldiers and most notably SEAL's aren't tough or deserving of praise shows how mentally deficient you really are. Talk to ANYONE in the farking world who knows ANYTHING about the military, and they will tell you how Sierra Hotel SEAL's are. You wouldn't last one day going through SEAL training. NOT. ONE. DAY.

But go ahead, continue to think how horrible American's are, how bad our military is. I hope more of your "countrymen" wherever the fark you are think the same thing. Honestly, I hope the whole farking world thinks that way. I have no problem with other people thinking the way you do. Because what shiat hits the fan, and people get all stabby, I know that my country's military is by far the best in the world. We can go anywhere, anytime, and fark shiat up. That's comforting.

Your argument about sitting on a "stockpile" of long-range weapons is completely stupid. We don't need to use that stuff. Not when the American fighting man is the most efficient killing machine this world has ever seen. But go ahead with your bravado and mental fellatio.

Just remember though, when it comes down to fight or flight, you know what American's will do. And that makes me imminently happy.

/oh, and go fark yourself.
 
2009-04-12 07:19:49 PM  
Red Shirt Blues: I sense a disturbance in the Fark. One that I have not felt in a long time, a very long time......CZARANGELUS

Bravo!
 
2009-04-12 07:19:53 PM  
boybunny:

All I can say is that the Iraqi freedom fighters and the Afghan freedom fighters are better people than I am... if Americans ever invaded my home, I would not be so kind.

So with possibly a tiny piece of understanding, why should ANYONE care a flying fark about an Americans family?



Anyone have that Internet Tough Guy pic?
 
2009-04-12 07:20:32 PM  
too bad one lived.
 
2009-04-12 07:21:06 PM  
nuclear_asshat: Great ad.

Bricks were shat.
 
2009-04-12 07:21:49 PM  
badhatharry:
Yes, he did. And I bet he will catch hell from a lot of libs for allowing the execution of poor Somali fishermen who were trying to feed their starving families. These were criminals who deserved a fair trial. The captain was not in mortal danger. They have proved this time and again by releasing hostages after receiving the ransom.


I hope he does catch hell from the fringe. Nothing bad can come of distancing yourself from that element. Republicans, take note.
 
2009-04-12 07:21:57 PM  
boybunny is a troll, outed and thoroughly humiliated in a "debate" about the origins of the web. Not that it was a debate, just him spewing ridiculous statements and ignoring the facts being thrown at him. In short he's an idiot, best put him on ignore now and save time.
 
2009-04-12 07:21:58 PM  
epoc_tnac: johnny_vegas: You weep for the pirates and you curse the Seals. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that the pirate's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And the Seals existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives...You don't want the truth. Because deep down, in places you don't talk about at parties, you want the Seals on that sea. You need the Seals on that sea.

So the pirates who didn't kill anybody (as far as we know) had to be killed to prevent blood from being shed. And the seals, who just killed 3 people are lifesavers.

American logic FTW!

The truth is that the pirates would have let the hostage go if a ransom had been paid. That's why they hijack ships in the first place. So the seals aren't so much lifesavers, as they are moneysavers.

But I guess that doesn't fit into your USA USA USA!!!!! train of thought.


Gay, 0/10.
 
2009-04-12 07:22:58 PM  
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2009-04-12 07:23:10 PM  
lurkster: boybunny: lurkster: boybunny: So how hard would it have been to have surrounded the lifeboat and to have aided them to shore... and then given the option of a continued standoff, or for them to leave the hostage at the boat and to leave on foot? Giving them a fighting chance of survival would not have backed them into a corner. If you promise only death or lifetime in jail, with no chance of getting out alive otherwise, then people WILL fight to the death. Your inability to understand the basic animal and human reaction to fight to the death when cornered speaks volumes... though I can give you credit for at least asking for another option.

Get onshore, and then what? It's a standoff either way. If you're not mentally prepared to die for your cause, then why even do it? Why take a hostage in the first place when you know that eventually one of the crew, or possibly your hostage themselves, would fight back and possibly kill you?

There's no way countries could keep paying millions of dollars in ransom to thieves. It's like a child who misbehaves - if you give them what they want when they do it, it becomes learned behavior and they keep doing it to get what they want.

Again. You are so lacking in mental abilities that you can not understand the natural "fight or Flight" reaction to danger. USA does not need to pay a ransom to four terrified pirates, only needs to offer FREEDOM if they leave their hostage. Oh, USA would need to keep it's word. It may be able to kill four pirates in retaliation, but it means that no hostages would ever survive from that point onward because no one would trust the word of another American.

It is VERY doubtful that any pirate would be keen to get himself into the same situation again. Few Americans know what real terror is... damn you pussies get Post Traumatic Stress Disorder in Iraq whewn you are the ones in armored tanks, wearing body Armour, with all the biggest bombs, guns and with planes with bombs only minutes away to help you... while the people who oppose you have a bomb they need to put on the side of the road and a couple of AK47s... farking pussy American soldiers. If Americans knew what terror was, like havig your hands literally in the hands of people with all the bombs in the world, and knowing that you only survive through their good grace, you are seriously going to rethink your lifestyle.

If yo are stupid enough to get into that situation and do not rethink your lifestyle... then you are never going to kill a hostage in fear of having your legs blown off and slowly bleeding to death as you sink below the waves.

But Americans are all pussies that have inferiority complexes, so call themselves brave as they hide behind the largest stockpile of ranged weapons in history. No need to understand human behavior if you can claim that are tough as nails while siting on a warm padded seat. Oh, and before talking about seals... no one outside America believes the Seals are tough. OK, my mentally deficient brother does, but he believes that Ninjas can fly just like in the American movies as well.

So, what would you think was going on in the last 2 days? We just sat there looking at them, with them looking at us? Do you think there has been no conversation before the shootings happened? Jesus Farking Christ, we had one of their guys on board our ship. Clearly negotiations didn't work with these people.

And I love the fact that you say this: "If Americans knew what terror was, like havig your hands literally in the hands of people with all the bombs in the world, and knowing that you only survive through their good grace, you are seriously going to rethink your lifestyle.

If yo are stupid enough to get into that situation and do not rethink your lifestyle... then you are never going to kill a hostage in fear of having your legs blown off and slowly bleeding to death as you sink below the waves."

Isn't this exactly what you're preaching against? It's good enough for "chest thumping Americans", but not good enough for Somali thieves who are extorting money from anyone and everyone ...


You do not have anything to say at all. The Americans have never said that they offered free passage to freedom. It obviously did not even occur t them to add it to their propaganda to further demonize the pirates.

You do not understand that I gave you an example of why they would almost certainly never kill a hostage if they were stupid enough to try it again, after barely getting out with their lives the first time.

And then you use the cowardly insult of the mentally retarded... "Troll". This speaks more of your ability to form any cohesive argument than it does insult me. In fact, it is the call cry for the mentally slow in the mob. Because it is a monosyllabic accusation that can be thrown without anyone being able to single you out later as the first to scream "witch!". Just cowardly.
 
2009-04-12 07:23:30 PM  
fusillade762: Serious question here for anyone with knowledge on the subject:

If they were shot by snipers from the Bainbridge (as some reports are saying), how does a sniper compensate for ocean swells?


Bullet traveling 3500 fps does not take long to traverse 40-50 meters. The boat at the bottom of the swell, aim high, let the target rise up with the next swell. They have better ballistic calulators than mine and my target scope only cost $1000 so I bet they hit exactly where they wanted, but not where they were aiming.
 
2009-04-12 07:23:31 PM  
RichieLaw: Just remember though, when it comes down to fight or flight, you know what American's will do. And that makes me imminently happy.

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2009-04-12 07:23:34 PM  
boybunny:

And how well does that work in USA? If someone wants to rob a convenience store, the belief that the convenience store attendant may have a gun behind the counter does not seem to deter them at all... they just change their attack plan and secure the counter at speed before doing anything else. They get a free gun out of it for their troubles.


People who rob convenience stores aren't exactly the sharpest knives in the drawer. You give them far too much credit. The only planning most of those idjits do: is enter store, point gun, take cash. Their criminal careers don't tend to last very long.

/out of troll treats
 
2009-04-12 07:24:04 PM  
Erik_Emune: Smeggy Smurf: It took Obamessiah long enough to quit being such a candy ass. This shiat should have been done inside of 24 hours not days.

That armchair comfortable, general?


Why yes it is. Still doesn't change the fact that the teleprompter is a candyass that took forever to make a decision that any man with an ounce of manhood could have made in under 10 seconds.
 
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