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2009-04-11 03:28:17 AM
stiletto_the_wise: Here come all the squawkers who won the birth lottery and want to keep everyone else out..

Here's hoping you're a troll.

I'm so sick of all the farking illegal immigrant bullshiat - and sick of the government paying for it. Leaving aside the fact they shouldn't be here in the first place, no illegal should have access to government programs that were intended to help U.S. citizens - no welfare, no food stamps, none of that shiat. The damn illegals are one of the major forces driving my state's budget into the gd ground, and legal citizens are going to be the ones to suffer for it. Better yet, my idiot state is trying to take part of the cost of funding this insanity out of the education funds and Department of Developmental Disabilities' budget. That's great. Let's take it from those who can't fight back.

And don't think I blame just the illegals on this one - I blame the government for ignoring the problem in the first place, and I blame the employers for hiring them in the first place.

The ambien's sinking in, so I'll conclude my drugged rant with this. If you take the time and effort to become an actual American citizen...well, welcome to America, I'll be the first to give you a hug. Nothing against legal immigrants whatsoever. The vast majority of Americans have immigrants in their backgrounds somewhere. We'd be hypocritical and/or just plain stupid to howl about keeping everyone out. As I recall, we tried that once, and it didn't really work so well.

But to all you illegal tards that think you can just walk over here and expect the same rights as a US Citizen...

G T F O
 
2009-04-11 03:47:26 AM
I cant wait till we're a third world country so that the mooches will go away.
 
2009-04-11 04:10:33 AM
Dude stole an identity. That means, without question, that he should be shot over the border from a farking cannon.


Birth lottery? you can go with him.

/GTFO
 
2009-04-11 04:19:41 AM
Remove all Republicans: Immigrants are immigrants. Instead of worrying about minor distinctions, we should be banding together and trying to figure out new government programs to solve this problem.

We have one, deportation. Maybe we should try actually using it.

href="http://www.fark.com/cgi/comments.pl?IDLink=4321796&IDComment=50199656#c50 1 99656">SonikTooth: none of you ever break this country's laws. none of you have ever driven faster than the speed limit. none of you have ever donated a bag of clothes worth $5 to charity and written $250 off of your taxes. none of you have ever smoked pot. none of you have ever jumped a subway stall. none of you have ever vandalized another person's property with eggs. none of you have lied about their income on a mortgage application. none of you have lied on your car insurance form and claim to have covered parking, lojack, and a 2 mile commute to work. none of you ever drank alcohol before the age of 21.

laws cover all of the above and anyone who has ever done anything contrary to them has done something ... oooooh, ooooh, ooooh, here comes your favoritest word ever .... ILLEGAL. seriously folks, think about it. you've likely all done something illegal!

everyone thinks certain laws are ridiculous and nearly everyone breaks some they don't see as overly important to their life. crossing an f'in imaginary line to work as a roofer is not the evil you all make it out to be. especially considering this man had ABSOLUTELY zero chance of being able to cross it for employment legally. zero chance.

/NONE of you are assholes
//and i am never sarcastic
///am really embarrassed to call you all my fellow countrymen


The difference is that when we are caught breaking those rules, we pay the consequences. Given the nature of your post, you should be embarrassed. Strangely enough, this man had a 100% chance of finding legal employment in his own country. 100%. Maybe instead of somewhere between 12 and 30 million illegal alien Mexicans living in the US because they want a better life, if they'd stay in Mexico and WORK THERE they could turn their country into a place where they could have the better life.
 
2009-04-11 04:38:05 AM
It is not the employer's fault. He had a fake ID and a fake SSN. Employer's are not allowed to decide whether or not identifaction is real. It is very frustrating when you know you have someone with a fake ID and you have to hire them anyway. It would be different if the person didn't have the proper identification.
 
2009-04-11 04:42:08 AM
If he has learnt how to sue, he has learnt how to be American.
 
2009-04-11 04:50:24 AM
Wraithbane: We have one, deportation. Maybe we should try actually using it.

This country was built on immigrants. Deporting them all now would go against our entire history.

rzawie24: It is not the employer's fault. He had a fake ID and a fake SSN. Employer's are not allowed to decide whether or not identifaction is real. It is very frustrating when you know you have someone with a fake ID and you have to hire them anyway. It would be different if the person didn't have the proper identification.

No, it's their fault for denying him the benefits he deserved. What's the difference between him and all the other employees who get what's coming to them?
 
2009-04-11 04:51:19 AM
Here's an idea. Set up a program to give the workers some sort of, oh I don't know, ID, that way they don't have to steal it.

Legalize, regulate, and tax 'em.

/just like marijuana!
 
2009-04-11 05:18:59 AM
rzawie24: It is not the employer's fault. He had a fake ID and a fake SSN. Employer's are not allowed to decide whether or not identifaction is real. It is very frustrating when you know you have someone with a fake ID and you have to hire them anyway. It would be different if the person didn't have the proper identification.

Gee. That's so frustrating. If only there were a federal agency you could go to for help on this matter. If only there were a way to verify an ID.

/INS, IRS, FBI
 
2009-04-11 05:26:26 AM
SonikTooth: none of you ever break this country's laws. none of you have ever driven faster than the speed limit.

Dear Douchebaggy Bag Bag,

I have never stolen anything from anyone except the time I stole a whistlepop from the 7-11 when I was 6. AND I apologized to the store manager. While I do flagrantly break NONCRIMINAL TRAFFIC LAWS on a daily basis, I have also, ahem, paid my dues for those offenses.

I think STEALING SOMEONE'S IDENTITY is somewhat more serious, don't you, Baggy Bag Bag?
 
2009-04-11 05:29:53 AM
Three Crooked Squirrels: That, and the fact that he paid his taxes

And you know this how? Oh. Right. His lawyer said so. Even more laughable: His lawyer claims Joey Crawlsinaditch paid higher taxes than HE did. Sure.

Way to go on the reading comprehension, skippy.
 
2009-04-11 06:03:10 AM
rewind2846: Hello... mexicans WERE Native americans (Incas, Aztecs, Mayans, etc) only they were a little farther south than the Sioux, Iroqois, Pechanga etc. They had their own languages, cultiure, gods, the whole bit before the spanish came... EUROPEANS, I might add...

Well by that logic the EUROPEANS were just native earthlings too, just a little further east......
 
2009-04-11 06:04:47 AM
Cerebral Ballsy: rzawie24: It is not the employer's fault. He had a fake ID and a fake SSN. Employer's are not allowed to decide whether or not identifaction is real. It is very frustrating when you know you have someone with a fake ID and you have to hire them anyway. It would be different if the person didn't have the proper identification.

Gee. That's so frustrating. If only there were a federal agency you could go to for help on this matter. If only there were a way to verify an ID.

/INS, IRS, FBI


NSA, CIA, and maybe a bit more of the alphabet soup in there too.

What about Jamestown, in all of it's 1607 goodness?
 
2009-04-11 07:16:03 AM
Have the roofing company pay off the hospital bill, give the guy something paltry, like $10,000 and then deport him. Ta da! Problem solved.
 
2009-04-11 07:24:26 AM
Benni K Rok: Cerebral Ballsy: rzawie24: It is not the employer's fault. He had a fake ID and a fake SSN. Employer's are not allowed to decide whether or not identifaction is real. It is very frustrating when you know you have someone with a fake ID and you have to hire them anyway. It would be different if the person didn't have the proper identification.

Gee. That's so frustrating. If only there were a federal agency you could go to for help on this matter. If only there were a way to verify an ID.

/INS, IRS, FBI

NSA, CIA, and maybe a bit more of the alphabet soup in there too.

What about Jamestown, in all of it's 1607 goodness?


What would the NSA and CIA do if they weren't terrorists?
 
2009-04-11 07:25:10 AM
vabeard: Drugged up ILLEGAL gets hurt on job.

/pity
//LEGAL Americans will absorb the bill.


The mantra of the Democratic party at its finest.
 
2009-04-11 07:31:02 AM
Benni K Rok: What about Jamestown, in all of it's 1607 goodness?

Are you suggesting the Mexicans are invading the US in the same manner that the English did to North America? I agree. We should do as the natives and declare war.
 
2009-04-11 07:53:50 AM
The problem is the hordes of unskilled labor,called attorneys or lawyers.
A third of our phone book is filled with shyster lawyers.
Congress is overrun with long-nosed,corrupt do-nothing lawyers.
Our judges are no better.
Time for a roundup of these leeches to reeducate them and teach them the basics of right and wrong!
 
2009-04-11 08:44:19 AM
Cerebral Ballsy: And you know this how? Oh. Right. His lawyer said so. Even more laughable: His lawyer claims Joey Crawlsinaditch paid higher taxes than HE did. Sure.

Way to go on the reading comprehension, skippy.


You don't "choose" to pay taxes, dickface. Haven't you ever worked an actual job?
 
2009-04-11 08:44:40 AM
aba: Try coming to the country legally?

My wife came to this country legally. She stood in line for years, paid about $10,000 in fees while working for peanuts for a bastard company that sponsored visa workers. These motherfarkers who come here illegally know they are breaking laws. There is in place process for entering the country legally and getting work legally. I am a native-born citizen and if I had illegal drugs in my system when I got hurt I wouldn't be entitled to workers comp. fark this guy.
 
2009-04-11 08:53:29 AM
personally i would wheel his ass off the hospital.

but thats not productive roll him across the border and see what kind of rights he has in mexico..i'll wait

/exactly
//thinks they are being way to nice
 
2009-04-11 08:56:35 AM
Easy Mac: personally i would wheel his ass off the hospital roof.

but thats not productive roll him across the border and see what kind of rights he has in mexico..i'll wait

/exactly
//thinks they are being way to nice
 
2009-04-11 09:55:58 AM
Fake ID? Fake SSN? fark him. I spent a lot of money on an immigration attorney, not to mention nearly 2 years of waiting, to get my wife her visa so she can be here LEGALLY.
 
2009-04-11 11:06:13 AM
Why do some of you leftist morons believe there is a right to come to the U.S.?

It is a privilege.

Deport this criminal and move on.
 
2009-04-11 11:25:14 AM
Limited background in this, but this is my understanding:

Fake or stolen SS#: All new hires are supposed, by law, to have their SS# checked. That is the company's responsibility.

Worker's Comp: Another thing companies are required to have just to do business in their city, county, state, etc. Some employers have this insurance through an insurance company, others go through a state agency. The company's premium is based on payroll dollars for each class of employees (reduced by the premium portion of overtime). So, yes, the less you pay your employees, the lower your premiums are. It is not collected through a tax, it is a premium paid based on that month's payroll dollars (at least in the Midwest, can't speak for every state).

WC Insurance Carrier: If the employer has paid the premium for that employee to the insurance carrier, the insurance carrier is the responsible party for medical bills and rehabilitation and/or settlement for disability. The insurance carrier can and will fight any claims where the injured employee had illicit drugs or alcohol in their system. They will also fight any claim arising from an illegal activity that caused the injury. The claimant's just being in the country IS illegal, but what he was doing at the time of the workplace injury was technically not illegal.

OSHA Regs & Safety on the Job Site: These are all the responsiblity of the employer. Some WC carriers do spot checks of their customers to make sure they follow the regs and have appropriate safety equipment. Many do not. When you hire the cheapest contractor or sub, you pretty well know that they are scrimping somewhere. And more often than not, it's on safety and quality employees.

So, if the WC carrier won't pay the hospital bill, taxpayers will end up covering it. (Unless they can somehow find a way to subrogate the bill to the insurance carrier of the property owner.) The employer legally has no responsibility for any of the bills, since they paid for coverage of those bills through their WC carrier. They don't really have a dog in that fight. If OSHA investigates and fines the company that hired the employee, they will probably just close their doors and move on. Of course, taxpayers once again will foot the bill for the investigation and prosecution, since it is a federal agency. See how this all kinda makes a circle back to you?
 
2009-04-11 11:31:40 AM
This is a pretty basic Insurance 101 type of thing. Typically, these policies have provisions and exclusions. Just leave aside the illegal/legal question and focus on the first part:

Illegal Occupations, Intoxicants and Narcotics: The insurance company will exclude coverage for any loss sustained while the insured is under the influence of any intoxicant or narcotic, unless administered on the advice of a physician. In addition, there is no coverage for any loss in which a contributing cause was the insured's commission of a felony or engagement in any illegal occupation.
 
2009-04-11 12:04:01 PM
almafuerte:

Just to clear the record if it hasn't been cleared before, you have to take texas off that little list of yours. The US didn't steal mexico. We had a little revolution, kicked there asses out and made our own country. we chilled for a little and then we joined the US.

So if you want to give cali back, Texas will re assume its lost territory and be quite happy about it.
 
2009-04-11 01:03:41 PM
spin359: almafuerte:

Just to clear the record if it hasn't been cleared before, you have to take texas off that little list of yours. The US didn't steal mexico. We had a little revolution, kicked there asses out and made our own country. we chilled for a little and then we joined the US.

So if you want to give cali back, Texas will re assume its lost territory and be quite happy about it.


Who gives a fark about Texas?

There are no human beings in Texas, only gun owners and christians.
 
2009-04-11 01:20:51 PM
I was going to make a comment about how idiotic those calling to "get rid of all the illegalzzz!!" are, but honestly, fark that shiat.

Its the same old story. This happened in the 70's, the 50's, the 40's, 30's, 20's, the natives, African slaves, and holy shiat! It will always happen! Complaining that "teh illegulz" are hurting the economy is retarded. Blaming them for the costs of healthcare is retarded. Clamoring for their deportation is retarded. Are illegals at fault, really? I mean, they must be since we're obviously going through an economic hiccup, and the people feeling the pinch are the middle class (finally). Nevermind the uber-wealthy who have found loopholes to make themselves that rich at the expense of others, an ridiculously expensive war with Iraq that by the way is still going on, ridiculous defense spending, and people biatching about whether we should be teaching creationist "theory" in our schools?...
But carry on. Illegals are to blame. Right.

Fark all of you. The real problems are out there, and you're biatching about the brownies.
 
2009-04-11 02:08:04 PM
Remove all Republicans: This country was built on LEGAL immigrants. Deporting them all now would go against our entire history.

Fixed that for you. Strange how you neglected that little fact.
 
2009-04-11 02:12:46 PM
almafuerte: Oh, off course, first you should get all your people out of Texas, New Mexico, California, and all the other land the USA stole from Mexico.

You mean, the land that Mexico stole from the natives? This is absolutely the lamest argument out there, only made by idiots who can't even tell you how long it belonged to Mexico, much less have any actually idea of the history of the areas in discussion. But to argue that it rightly belongs to Mexico is simply proof of idiocy.
 
2009-04-11 02:17:35 PM
TheMiddleFinger: rewind2846: TheMiddleFinger:
apples and oranges.
Illegals are hurting the economy and changing the culture. Please feel free to leave the country, if we embarrass you so much.(psssst take some illegals with you)

Hurting the economy? No more than any other group of poor, uneducated people would to a wealthy and relatively well-educated populace.

Changing the culture? Good. I happen to like change. Whitebread is so last week.

You will be dealt with.


And Internet Tough Guys are so last year.
 
2009-04-11 02:40:27 PM
patrick767: DRTFA, but that's not inherently wrong. The alternative is saying that if a business hires illegals, they don't have to worry about workplace safety. Fark it! Let 'em die! Woohoo!

Actually I wonder. They probably pay for work comp insurance. That means he should be suing the insurer. Not only that but most work comp claims become vastly more difficult if you show up for work high on coke and pot. That's probably the real trouble here. Illegal or not, the drugs in his system are probably what made the work comp insurer go:

Exclusion #38924 - "if you're on drugs at the time of the incident we don't have to pay for sh*t"

Wraithbane: Remove all Republicans: This country was built on LEGAL immigrants. Deporting them all now would go against our entire history.

Fixed that for you. Strange how you neglected that little fact.


Yeah, so many people forget that laws change over the years. When my dad's great-great-grandfather came here, you could walk over the border and register in town. When my mother's great-grandfather came here, he had to jump through a lot more hoops.
 
2009-04-11 03:14:50 PM
That guy has moxie!

/execute him and send the remains home
 
2009-04-11 03:47:38 PM
All the Mexicans are coming to the US. Mexico's government is dangerously close to failing. Why don't we make Mexico a US state? It will be tough and messy at first, but it may be a good idea in the long run. Just a thought.
 
2009-04-11 04:42:57 PM
LoonieCobber: What part of illegal do you supporters not understand?

Most of us have no problem with people immigrating to this county. But do like us and/or our parents.... do it legally.

I'm willing to bet that a good number of the "oh give him a beak" folks are the same ones who cry "It doesn't matter, downloading is illegal" in the RIAA threads.

/Can't stand double-standards


That's not a double standard. They are different legal and philosophical issues. Might as well be comparing people who say "downloading is illegal" to those who say "cigarettes are a health hazard to children", as if there's a logical connection.
 
2009-04-11 05:02:38 PM
F.S. 440.101 (2):

If an employer implements a drug-free workplace program in accordance with s. 440.102 which includes notice, education, and procedural requirements for testing for drugs and alcohol pursuant to law or to rules developed by the Agency for Health Care Administration, the employer may require the employee to submit to a test for the presence of drugs or alcohol and, if a drug or alcohol is found to be present in the employee's system at a level prescribed by rule adopted pursuant to this act, the employee may be terminated and forfeits his or her eligibility for medical and indemnity benefits.

Fark illegal alien...that is a ploy the insurer won't win on. The definition of "employee" explicitly included illegals. But the marijuana and cocaine metabolites in his blood? Yeah, he's fooked.

I did Florida WC claims adjusting for 10+ years and if his employer has a state-approved drug free workplace set up (and being as it was a construction firm/contractor that's almost a certainty) then the controlling rule is case law and that's been long established. Pretty much any drugs, alcohol or drug metabolites in his system means he's SOL. What's more, he CAN'T go after the employer directly because having WC insurance coverage means the employer gets immunity from civil prosecution.

All the rest of the article is bunk and fluff designed to make the soft-headed in our midst go "awwwww". Fark that. The entire issue is whether on not he tested positive for drugs. He's admitted that he did drugs so his claim is dead. His lawyer is simply pimping this case for some high profile publicity and a nuisance settlement. Personally, I'd like to see the illegal deported and screw his feelings. He was glad enough to work here enough so that he could afford to buy pot to smoke in his spare time...so he enjoyed himself while he was here. Too bad his roll of the dice went against him but those are the chances you take when you decide to operate outside the law.

On an unrelated note however, if the employer knowingly assisted him in his illegal endeavors then they should have the book thrown at them as well. If the employers were too afraid of real consequences to hire illegals then the jobs would dry up and the illegal immigration right along with them.
 
2009-04-11 05:03:06 PM
removeallrepublicans
Too bad. At least our president realizes we are just one nation on this world. We should start with his global poverty initiative. Is just 1.5% of GDP so much to ask, to help out immigrants like Victor Leon?

The banks are failing and yer annointed one has raised the Nat'l debt by trillions in the last how many days?

$3.87 billion per day since September 28, 2007!

I can't tell if yer a troll or an idiot.
 
2009-04-11 05:59:17 PM
natas6.0: I can't tell if yer a troll or an idiot.

Who says it has to be one or the other?
 
2009-04-11 07:07:00 PM
shoot the sorrt as* mexican and throw his carcass over the border into mexico and leave it at that. its either that or give all the g^d d^mn wetbacks ten million each for no good reason. i have heard that pelosi wants to give them all social security benefits too! say it ain't so joe
 
2009-04-11 07:22:20 PM
Smackledorfer: Azlefty: vile as Necrophiliac Pedophiles

Wouldn't that be the BEST kind of pedophile, due to the state of the victim? In fact, if we could solve pedophilia by tossing a corpse at every pedophile I'd vote in favor of that.

/doesn't give a shiat about corpses
//cares about living children


banjo.macrochan.org

/continue with your high brow discussion about immigration reform
 
2009-04-11 07:22:50 PM
I want to live in an America that has become a shiatey lawless lifeboat commie hippie commune. Yeah.
 
2009-04-11 07:33:57 PM
Wraithbane
Who says it has to be one or the other?

Excellent point. I belive the criteria for both has been met.

I deserve a swift kick fer trying to argue it.
 
2009-04-11 08:52:57 PM
Remove all Republicans: you_idiot: Simple...if you pay taxes, your a farking citizen.

They pay sales taxes, so I think it's clear.

phunkey_monkey: I have no sympathy for him or any illegal alien in the same situation.



Immigrants are immigrants. Instead of worrying about minor distinctions, we should be banding together and trying to figure out new government programs to solve this problem.


You have used this exact same line to troll this topic before. You got me last time, never again.
 
2009-04-11 08:53:32 PM
natas6.0: removeallrepublicans
Too bad. At least our president realizes we are just one nation on this world. We should start with his global poverty initiative. Is just 1.5% of GDP so much to ask, to help out immigrants like Victor Leon?

The banks are failing and yer annointed one has raised the Nat'l debt by trillions in the last how many days?

$3.87 billion per day since September 28, 2007!

I can't tell if yer a troll or an idiot.


You underestimate him. He is both.
 
2009-04-11 10:58:14 PM
illegal immigrant win = obama's own bed shiat.
didn't obama vote for bush's immigration legislation?
they're both farking fark-trads.
 
2009-04-11 11:00:27 PM
Remove all Republicans: Immigrants are immigrants. Instead of worrying about minor distinctions, we should be banding together and trying to figure out new government programs to solve this problem.

In other words, how much more in taxes do I need to pay to support your dumb arse and not reivest in my business that employs US citizens?

Fark Bush. Fark Obama. Fark anyone that doesn't enforce the existing immigrations laws. Fark all our legislators.
 
2009-04-11 11:04:22 PM
bubbaprog: Cerebral Ballsy: And you know this how? Oh. Right. His lawyer said so. Even more laughable: His lawyer claims Joey Crawlsinaditch paid higher taxes than HE did. Sure.

Way to go on the reading comprehension, skippy.

You don't "choose" to pay taxes, dickface. Haven't you ever worked an actual job?


Here, retard. Remember filling this out??



Hint: if you fill it out in a certain way, dickface, your withholding will be very low. Then, dickface, at the end of the year, you will owe a lot of money. But if you're a Mexican who stole someone else's ID, it would be hard for the IRS to come after the right person, wouldn't it?

The really sad part about it is you failed to read the thread to begin with and what you couldn't figure out for yourself has already been discussed. You could have avoided all this looking like an idiot and me rubbing your dickface in it.
 
2009-04-11 11:12:16 PM
www.unclefed.com
 
2009-04-11 11:12:51 PM
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