almafuerte: muck4doo: almafuerte: I think it's fair, it is your land and you have the right to kick that people out of your land. Send those Mexicans back to Mexico.

Oh, off course, first you should get all your people out of Texas, New Mexico, California, and all the other land the USA stole from Mexico.

I'm betting you are a white libtard college student who thinks he is enlightened enough to speak for the Hispanic people...

Let me give you a clue...They don't want to move to another Mexico or El Salvador. Get that through your thick farking skull. You're just like the rest of the white douchebag libtards who always assume you will speak for people who you have no farking clue about. You dickheads are the most racist douchebags on the planet.



And, yes, here's for vodak lovers



Also, all US companies should be banned from producing cheap products through worker exploitation in sweatshops in Mexico. USA citizens should need a VISA to enter Mexico just as Mexicans need a visa to go to the USA. Unfair import/export laws between USA and Mexico should be re-evaluated.

What is fair, is fair.


/Disclaimer: I am not Mexican, and I don't live in the USA.
//I am against Illegal immigration, and I believe that USA citizens have the right to protect their territory.
///Just as anyone else have that same right, including Mexico. You should restore that right before asking for yours.

Elvis_Bogart: That's cool...just mail him a fake check.


Wrong ...

I Live in Buenos Aires, Argentina. I was born here, and I will won't ever leave my country. I have ancestors in this land dating 400 years back.

I am not a "libtard". You consider "liberals" to be left wing. In the rest of the world, including Europe and Latin America, "Liberals" are considered right/center-wing. I define myself politically as a Marxist that recognizes that communism is OUTDATED, it was a good solution for rural countries in the 20th century, and no longer a valid answer. I Belive in Direct Democracy, that is, democracy where the power is in the hands of the people and not in the hands of corrupt politicans.

Regarding how representative of my people thoughts is what I just said, I live here, and I have traveled throughout all Latin America. I can tell you most people is really patriotic, most believe in a unified Latin America like Jose de San Martin, Simon Bolivar and Benito Juarez did, and are fiercely patriotic, they wouldn't ever leave their countries.
Yes, many illiterate Mexicans don't give a shiat and go to the USA, but the majority of Latin Americans wouldn't ever leave their countries.

Stop seeing the world through CNN, it doesn't work that way.

Ah, I see it did go through! Now how did I miss that?

/Goes to fridge for another beer.

almafuerte: muck4doo: almafuerte: I think it's fair, it is your land and you have the right to kick that people out of your land. Send those Mexicans back to Mexico.

Oh, off course, first you should get all your people out of Texas, New Mexico, California, and all the other land the USA stole from Mexico.

I'm betting you are a white libtard college student who thinks he is enlightened enough to speak for the Hispanic people...

Let me give you a clue...They don't want to move to another Mexico or El Salvador. Get that through your thick farking skull. You're just like the rest of the white douchebag libtards who always assume you will speak for people who you have no farking clue about. You dickheads are the most racist douchebags on the planet.



And, yes, here's for vodak lovers



Also, all US companies should be banned from producing cheap products through worker exploitation in sweatshops in Mexico. USA citizens should need a VISA to enter Mexico just as Mexicans need a visa to go to the USA. Unfair import/export laws between USA and Mexico should be re-evaluated.

What is fair, is fair.


/Disclaimer: I am not Mexican, and I don't live in the USA.
//I am against Illegal immigration, and I believe that USA citizens have the right to protect their territory.
///Just as anyone else have that same right, including Mexico. You should restore that right before asking for yours.

Elvis_Bogart: That's cool...just mail him a fake check.


Wrong ...

I Live in Buenos Aires, Argentina. I was born here, and I will won't ever leave my country. I have ancestors in this land dating 400 years back.

I am not a "libtard". You consider "liberals" to be left wing. In the rest of the world, including Europe and Latin America, "Liberals" are considered right/center-wing. I define myself politically as a Marxist that recognizes that communism is OUTDATED, it was a good solution for rural countries in the 20th century, and no longer a valid answer. I Belive in Direct Democracy, that is, democracy where the power is in the hands of the people and not in the hands of corrupt politicans.

Regarding how representative of my people thoughts is what I just said, I live here, and I have traveled throughout all Latin America. I can tell you most people is really patriotic, most believe in a unified Latin America like Jose de San Martin, Simon Bolivar and Benito Juarez did, and are fiercely patriotic, they wouldn't ever leave their countries.
Yes, many illiterate Mexicans don't give a shiat and go to the USA, but the majority of Latin Americans wouldn't ever leave their countries.

Stop seeing the world through CNN, it doesn't work that way.

Out of curiousity, do you get a lot of illegal immigrants from Brazil and surrounding countries?

Dirty Hot Linker: 1)Wall (we know how well this works).

We know how well this works because THERE IS NO WALL.



Dirty Hot Linker: Now, here's one that will more than likely work:
Out-mode it by making it undesirable. Penalize the shiat out of companies
that hire them cutting off the demand for their labor.

I'm all for it. But first you have to BUILD A WALL to stop the flood
of illegal aliens that companies are hiring, otherwise we're taking two
steps back for every one we move forward.

I say we pay the worker's claim, in pennies, attached to some C4 and shoved up his a**.
/and then detonated, of course

why doesn't the US just deport him and save us all the headaches?

almafuerte
If you will remember, the USA buys out corrupt politicians to get whatever they want out of other countries.
/If you get anything out of another country through bribes, and specially from the military, without approval from a democratically elected congress, it's illegal and not legit.

Whooops, then someone needs to get his arse out of Argentina and back to Spain because sure as shiat there wasn't a democratically elected congress in Spain when its military started conquering the people of South America.

Hope and Change and Amnesty. When they can vote I get four more.

muck4doo: almafuerte: muck4doo: almafuerte: I think it's fair, it is your land and you have the right to kick that people out of your land. Send those Mexicans back to Mexico.

Oh, off course, first you should get all your people out of Texas, New Mexico, California, and all the other land the USA stole from Mexico.

I'm betting you are a white libtard college student who thinks he is enlightened enough to speak for the Hispanic people...

Let me give you a clue...They don't want to move to another Mexico or El Salvador. Get that through your thick farking skull. You're just like the rest of the white douchebag libtards who always assume you will speak for people who you have no farking clue about. You dickheads are the most racist douchebags on the planet.



And, yes, here's for vodak lovers



Also, all US companies should be banned from producing cheap products through worker exploitation in sweatshops in Mexico. USA citizens should need a VISA to enter Mexico just as Mexicans need a visa to go to the USA. Unfair import/export laws between USA and Mexico should be re-evaluated.

What is fair, is fair.


/Disclaimer: I am not Mexican, and I don't live in the USA.
//I am against Illegal immigration, and I believe that USA citizens have the right to protect their territory.
///Just as anyone else have that same right, including Mexico. You should restore that right before asking for yours.

Elvis_Bogart: That's cool...just mail him a fake check.


Wrong ...

I Live in Buenos Aires, Argentina. I was born here, and I will won't ever leave my country. I have ancestors in this land dating 400 years back.

I am not a "libtard". You consider "liberals" to be left wing. In the rest of the world, including Europe and Latin America, "Liberals" are considered right/center-wing. I define myself politically as a Marxist that recognizes that communism is OUTDATED, it was a good solution for rural countries in the 20th century, and no longer a valid answer. I Belive in Direct Democracy, that is, democracy where the power is in the hands of the people and not in the hands of corrupt politicans.

Regarding how representative of my people thoughts is what I just said, I live here, and I have traveled throughout all Latin America. I can tell you most people is really patriotic, most believe in a unified Latin America like Jose de San Martin, Simon Bolivar and Benito Juarez did, and are fiercely patriotic, they wouldn't ever leave their countries.
Yes, many illiterate Mexicans don't give a shiat and go to the USA, but the majority of Latin Americans wouldn't ever leave their countries.

Stop seeing the world through CNN, it doesn't work that way.

Out of curiousity, do you get a lot of illegal immigrants from Brazil and surrounding countries?

Yes, yes we do.

Ever since the late 19th century Argentina got a lot of immigration.farking half of Europe came here during and after WWII.

Chinese and Korean immigration is HUGE too.

About surrounding countries, immigration from Paraguay, Brasil, Peru and Paraguay has been huge for the past 50 years. Specially during the 90's. They are all given Argentinian citizenship. They have the same rights that natives have. Even for those that don't get their citizenship (out of laziness, since they CAN get one), the law applies like it does for anyone else, and they share the same rights.

We also have a lot of temporal immigration, that is, students coming here. Argentina has both Social Health and Education, and our public Universities are among the best in the world. Many people from all over Latin America come to study in our Universities. They can study for free, and they get a degree that has international recognition. They also get good health care while they stay here. After they graduate, Many go back to their countries, many find a job form a family and stay here.

Burn the beaner! He's a witch! He weighs more than a duck!

Scorched Colon: almafuerte
If you will remember, the USA buys out corrupt politicians to get whatever they want out of other countries.
/If you get anything out of another country through bribes, and specially from the military, without approval from a democratically elected congress, it's illegal and not legit.

Whooops, then someone needs to get his arse out of Argentina and back to Spain because sure as shiat there wasn't a democratically elected congress in Spain when its military started conquering the people of South America.

Most of Latin Americans are direct descendants of Native Americans. The only almost total eradication happened in North America.
Latin American blood can be tracked 10.000 years back in this land.

Regardless of that fact, you are comparing something that happened 5 centuries ago with something the US did very recently.

a) He would'nt be homeless if he had stayed in his own country.
b) I know in Canada, he will would win and put the rest of us to shame.
c) MAKE ME A TACO!

Good job. Thanks for that.

/have busted my ass for everything I have....running my own business..fark you freeloader.

This is the end people...there's no turning back from here.

almafuerte: muck4doo: almafuerte: muck4doo: almafuerte: I think it's fair, it is your land and you have the right to kick that people out of your land. Send those Mexicans back to Mexico.

Oh, off course, first you should get all your people out of Texas, New Mexico, California, and all the other land the USA stole from Mexico.

I'm betting you are a white libtard college student who thinks he is enlightened enough to speak for the Hispanic people...

Let me give you a clue...They don't want to move to another Mexico or El Salvador. Get that through your thick farking skull. You're just like the rest of the white douchebag libtards who always assume you will speak for people who you have no farking clue about. You dickheads are the most racist douchebags on the planet.



And, yes, here's for vodak lovers



Also, all US companies should be banned from producing cheap products through worker exploitation in sweatshops in Mexico. USA citizens should need a VISA to enter Mexico just as Mexicans need a visa to go to the USA. Unfair import/export laws between USA and Mexico should be re-evaluated.

What is fair, is fair.


/Disclaimer: I am not Mexican, and I don't live in the USA.
//I am against Illegal immigration, and I believe that USA citizens have the right to protect their territory.
///Just as anyone else have that same right, including Mexico. You should restore that right before asking for yours.

Elvis_Bogart: That's cool...just mail him a fake check.


Wrong ...

I Live in Buenos Aires, Argentina. I was born here, and I will won't ever leave my country. I have ancestors in this land dating 400 years back.

I am not a "libtard". You consider "liberals" to be left wing. In the rest of the world, including Europe and Latin America, "Liberals" are considered right/center-wing. I define myself politically as a Marxist that recognizes that communism is OUTDATED, it was a good solution for rural countries in the 20th century, and no longer a valid answer. I Belive in Direct Democracy, that is, democracy where the power is in the hands of the people and not in the hands of corrupt politicans.

Regarding how representative of my people thoughts is what I just said, I live here, and I have traveled throughout all Latin America. I can tell you most people is really patriotic, most believe in a unified Latin America like Jose de San Martin, Simon Bolivar and Benito Juarez did, and are fiercely patriotic, they wouldn't ever leave their countries.
Yes, many illiterate Mexicans don't give a shiat and go to the USA, but the majority of Latin Americans wouldn't ever leave their countries.

Stop seeing the world through CNN, it doesn't work that way.

Out of curiousity, do you get a lot of illegal immigrants from Brazil and surrounding countries?

Yes, yes we do.

Ever since the late 19th century Argentina got a lot of immigration.farking half of Europe came here during and after WWII.

Chinese and Korean immigration is HUGE too.

About surrounding countries, immigration from Paraguay, Brasil, Peru and Paraguay has been huge for the past 50 years. Specially during the 90's. They are all given Argentinian citizenship. They have the same rights that natives have. Even for those that don't get their citizenship (out of laziness, since they CAN get one), the law applies like it does for anyone else, and they share the same rights.

We also have a lot of temporal immigration, that is, students coming here. Argentina has both Social Health and Education, and our public Universities are among the best in the world. Many people from all over Latin America come to study in our Universities. They can study for free, and they get a degree that has international recognition. They also get good health care while they stay here. After they graduate, Many go back to their countries, many find a job form a family and stay here.

How is this all paid for?

There are laws in place to keep people from hiring illegal immigrants. Note the unemployment rates in America right now. SO-you give this guy workers comp after commiting a FELONY---A FELONY you guess he was using someone elses ID number. YOU do understand that you only get one SSN even if it get's stolen. They do not reissue SSN's. It says when you get the card that this is a felony. Having someone else use your SSN. So you know what. THE GUY knew. He knew he was breaking the law and he knew the consequences. WHY is it even up for debate?

Protecting illegal workers removes the incentive for hiring them.

almafuerte: What is fair, is fair.

/Disclaimer: I am not Mexican, and I don't live in the USA.
//I am against Illegal immigration, and I believe that USA citizens have the right to protect their territory.
///Just as anyone else have that same right, including Mexico. You should restore that right before asking for yours.

I agree that what's fair is fair. In that vein I presume that your would agree that Argentina should renounce its claims to Antarctica, the Southern Patagonia Ice Fields, the Falklands and other South Atlantic Islands...right?

hardinparamedic: "Seriously, you need to start your trolls a little better. Try using key words like Wop or Greaseballs."

farkin_Gary: almafuerte: muck4doo: almafuerte: muck4doo: almafuerte: I think it's fair, it is your land and you have the right to kick that people out of your land. Send those Mexicans back to Mexico.

Oh, off course, first you should get all your people out of Texas, New Mexico, California, and all the other land the USA stole from Mexico.

I'm betting you are a white libtard college student who thinks he is enlightened enough to speak for the Hispanic people...

Let me give you a clue...They don't want to move to another Mexico or El Salvador. Get that through your thick farking skull. You're just like the rest of the white douchebag libtards who always assume you will speak for people who you have no farking clue about. You dickheads are the most racist douchebags on the planet.



And, yes, here's for vodak lovers



Also, all US companies should be banned from producing cheap products through worker exploitation in sweatshops in Mexico. USA citizens should need a VISA to enter Mexico just as Mexicans need a visa to go to the USA. Unfair import/export laws between USA and Mexico should be re-evaluated.

What is fair, is fair.


/Disclaimer: I am not Mexican, and I don't live in the USA.
//I am against Illegal immigration, and I believe that USA citizens have the right to protect their territory.
///Just as anyone else have that same right, including Mexico. You should restore that right before asking for yours.

Elvis_Bogart: That's cool...just mail him a fake check.


Wrong ...

I Live in Buenos Aires, Argentina. I was born here, and I will won't ever leave my country. I have ancestors in this land dating 400 years back.

I am not a "libtard". You consider "liberals" to be left wing. In the rest of the world, including Europe and Latin America, "Liberals" are considered right/center-wing. I define myself politically as a Marxist that recognizes that communism is OUTDATED, it was a good solution for rural countries in the 20th century, and no longer a valid answer. I Belive in Direct Democracy, that is, democracy where the power is in the hands of the people and not in the hands of corrupt politicans.

Regarding how representative of my people thoughts is what I just said, I live here, and I have traveled throughout all Latin America. I can tell you most people is really patriotic, most believe in a unified Latin America like Jose de San Martin, Simon Bolivar and Benito Juarez did, and are fiercely patriotic, they wouldn't ever leave their countries.
Yes, many illiterate Mexicans don't give a shiat and go to the USA, but the majority of Latin Americans wouldn't ever leave their countries.

Stop seeing the world through CNN, it doesn't work that way.

Out of curiousity, do you get a lot of illegal immigrants from Brazil and surrounding countries?

Yes, yes we do.

Ever since the late 19th century Argentina got a lot of immigration.farking half of Europe came here during and after WWII.

Chinese and Korean immigration is HUGE too.

About surrounding countries, immigration from Paraguay, Brasil, Peru and Paraguay has been huge for the past 50 years. Specially during the 90's. They are all given Argentinian citizenship. They have the same rights that natives have. Even for those that don't get their citizenship (out of laziness, since they CAN get one), the law applies like it does for anyone else, and they share the same rights.

We also have a lot of temporal immigration, that is, students coming here. Argentina has both Social Health and Education, and our public Universities are among the best in the world. Many people from all over Latin America come to study in our Universities. They can study for free, and they get a degree that has international recognition. They also get good health care while they stay here. After they graduate, Many go back to their countries, many find a job form a family and stay here.

How is this all paid for?

When you are not at war with half of the world, you are not spending billions on bailing out huge corporations, not maintaining a huge army, foreign military basis, etc., You can actually spend people's tax money in things for the people.

Anyway, our health system is not what it was back in the 50's (THAT was amazing) But it's still fairly good.

Also, there is not much different between social health care and private health care. We have both, social health care is free for all. There are no requisites, not even an ID to get attention. Just show up, and they will take care of you. Most people access private health care through what we call "Obras Sociales" or through prepaid medicine. Both are similar, only "Obras Sociales" are mandatory. They are basically health insurance, but done right: It is mandatory to have health insurance, and it's divided into many organizations that handle specific sectors, for example, for construction workers, for state workers, education, police, etc. They are usually managed by the worker's unions. You pay a very low fee, that is actually deducted automatically from your salary (An average fee is less than 50U$S a month). That covers most needs for the worker and his family, and gives him access to cheap medicines too (usually half price). You can choose your own doctors from any private clinic, then they get paid through an agreement. Sometimes you pay additional fees for some procedures, but usually small too (For example, cosmetic procedures, some dental procedures, etc.) That small fee covers 100% insurance on expensive procedures like organ transplants).
If you want even better coverage (For example, expensive dental plans, cosmetic procedures, bigger medicine discounts, 24/7 private ambulatory attention, etc) You can pay for a private plan. A standard family with 2 kids pays on average U$S 200 for that kind of special insurance for the whole family.

In Europe it's MUCH, MUCH better than here. The USA could have an even better situation given the wealth of your country, if you weren't so afraid of socialism, and stopped spending millions on killing people.

I want the employer to pay. Maybe if companies knew they could be on the hook for cost intensive injuries, instead of passing them over to workers comp, they would be less likely to hire illegals.

almafuerte: Oh, off course, first you should get all your people out of Texas, New Mexico, California, and all the other land the USA stole from Mexico.

You're funny.

why should it matter? The purpose of worker's comp is to help injured workers. Whether the guy had fake info doesn't bear on whether he was injured on the job. Preventing him from suing would give employers an incentive to hire illegals and then cut corners on safety.

StoneColdAtheist: almafuerte: What is fair, is fair.

/Disclaimer: I am not Mexican, and I don't live in the USA.
//I am against Illegal immigration, and I believe that USA citizens have the right to protect their territory.
///Just as anyone else have that same right, including Mexico. You should restore that right before asking for yours.

I agree that what's fair is fair. In that vein I presume that your would agree that Argentina should renounce its claims to Antarctica, the Southern Patagonia Ice Fields, the Falklands and other South Atlantic Islands...right?

What?

The Patagonia, the Islas Malvinas (Falklands) and our claims of part of Antarctica are legit. All of them are part of our territory, and all Islands claimed are geologically part of our territory.

We were the first ones to live in those territories.

Regarding Malvinas (Falklands), we had a permanent population in there, that was kicked out when the UK invaded the Islands in 1833.

Regarding our claims over part of Antarctica, the peninsula claimed is geologically and geographically part of the Argentinian Andes, most of the rescue missions in Antarctica for people of all nations are done by Argentina, we control the oldest base on Antarctica, and we have had PERMANENT POPULATION there for OVER A CENTURY. We constructed most of Antarctica's lighthouses and the first AIRPORT in Antarctica in '69. Argentines form more of Antarctica's peninsula's population than nationals of any other country. The first baby ever born in Antarctica is Argentinian Emilio Palma, born in our Esperanza Base. We have sent MORE PEOPLE to Antarctica than ALL THE OTHER COUNTRIES TOGETHER.

Have you taken a look at a map?



That IS OUR LAND.

hardinparamedic:
Do you really believe the bullshiat your spouting from your keyboard? Do you honestly believe that immigrants do jobs Americans wont do? Have you ever seen the miserable failures their walkouts do?

I know several total-blooded Americans and Immigrants who came here LEGALLY who would kill to scrub toilets or do farm work right now to have SOME source of income to feed their families. Don't give me this crap.

And the difference is that the people who came through Ellis Island came through here legally. They didnt jump a fence and exploit the system while breaking our laws.

Look I know we are in Fark and all, but in all seriousness, I didn't mean to draw or give insult at all. You can disagree with me, but to say what you just said... Rarely do insults hurt me here, but considering that it comes from a fellow EMT... in this case it kinda does.

Anyways, the main difference is that there is that Ellis Island isn't open for the job you mean to say. Also, although there are plenty of european immigrants who can still immigrate legaly just by showing up and doing paperwork, Mexicans cannot do so. Again, for Mexicans, the route to legally be allowed in the U.S. is almost non-existant. Although I do agree that each country has their right to rid themselves of illegal aliens and to punish those who do get int illegally, i wholeheartedly spit on people who say that Mexicans "break" this immigration law for selfish, unethical reasons - like to give your kids drugs, make you speak spanish and make Carlos Mencia popular.

No, Illegal aliens don't deserve to be shot like dogs. That is the overall tone of what people want to express here in Fark, and to be honest, it is scary. To begin to think that your immigration status makes you 'sub-human' - that tone is 00BER SCARY.

Illegal aliens are mainly people who are trying to get a piece of the american dream. In this case... its just that they cannot legally get that piece, so legal or no legal route, most do the best that they can to lead the best life possible. Illegal - yes. Should they be deported - most of the times.

ARE THEY SUBHUMAN SCUM WHO SHOULD BE PUT IN A CONCENTRATION CAMP - Never!

My connundrum here is that it is very easy to mix up racism and prejudice with justice (and i dont blame anyone, the line is very blurry).

And #2, Right now and there is this big financial crisis. This means that although you might see people begging to scrub toilets right now, this wouldnt have happened a year ago. Henceforth, americans pretty much want the unwanted jobs the mexicans had in the past. Whatever. Everyone is a victim of the financial situation, not so much the immigration situation.

Plus, be careful with your choice of words. "Total-blooded-american" sounds wayyyyy too hitlery.

Does anyone in Mexico think about instituting a progressive tax code? I hear Carlos Slim has a lot of money....

/Disparity of wealth is getting bad in the US too..

Economic terrorists invading our country need to be dealt with deadly force. It will happen. Soon. Should I be on a list? Or am I just worried about the invasion upon our country? Obama has made HIS decision. He wants the votes. F the rest of you.

TheMiddleFinger:
apples and oranges.
Illegals are hurting the economy and changing the culture. Please feel free to leave the country, if we embarrass you so much.(psssst take some illegals with you)

Hurting the economy? No more than any other group of poor, uneducated people would to a wealthy and relatively well-educated populace.

Changing the culture? Good. I happen to like change. Whitebread is so last week.

wozzeck: Gen. Apathy: Seeing as you seem to have some knowledge on this subject, I was wondering if they could use his positive test for drugs as a basis for denial of claims?

Legal proceedings usually involve a little concept called causation. In order to be relevant, X must cause Y, or being one of the factors causing Y.

What exactly does a positive test for drugs have to do with roofing? Absent any signs of inebriation, nothing. The testing itself is therefore irrelevant. If the guy was running around on the roof stone wasted, flapping his arms, and saying "Watch me fly like a birdy back to Mexico" that would be different matter--the testing would be relevant as evidence of inebriation.

If he was wasted, would him being wasted get the company out of paying worker's compensation? Again, it depends on whether being inebriated helped cause the injury. Florida's comp law provides:

(3) Compensation is not payable if the injury was occasioned primarily by the intoxication of the employee; by the influence of any drugs, barbiturates, or other stimulants not prescribed by a physician; or by the willful intention of the employee to injure or kill himself, herself, or another.

The article just says he tested positive, it doesn't say anything about his faculties being effected at all, and you can bet the company would have been shouting from the rooftops (bad joke there) if there were signs he was loaded, as opposed to just testing positive. So absent evidence that then-present intoxication was a primary cause of the injury the company would be stuck paying, and if the company had that evidence they would be stating so, rather than relying simply on test results.

I know causation is pretty weird concept for fark, but it gets used a lot in courts.

Thanks for the answer. I was really curious.

So, the employer would have to prove that the worker was intoxicated. And of course both sides could claim that such and such study shows intoxication long after consumption, and another could claim that it does not exist at all, yadda yadda. I see how it could get messy.

Although, given the fact that the company probably can afford good counsel and the immigrant probably cannot, I would think it an uphill climb for the injured man.

Errk: almafuerte: I think it's fair, it is your land and you have the right to kick that people out of your land. Send those Mexicans back to Mexico.

Oh, off course, first you should get all your people out of Texas, New Mexico, California, and all the other land the USA stole from Mexico.


But of course the Mexicans stole that same land from the Native Americans....

Hello... mexicans WERE Native americans (Incas, Aztecs, Mayans, etc) only they were a little farther south than the Sioux, Iroqois, Pechanga etc. They had their own languages, cultiure, gods, the whole bit before the spanish came... EUROPEANS, I might add...

almafuerte

Hey, Criollo, how many natives did you kill to get Southern Argentina? I think the Mapuches may have some interesting comments about illegal immigrants too.

See? I can play the game to. Since you stole some territory more than a hundred and fifty hears ago, all your arguments are automatically null and void, and you have no right to criticise others or enforce necessary border controls!

Get the Spanish out of Patagonia!

Long live the independence of the Mapuche Peoples Republic!

SonikTooth: mynameist:
Nobody's saying that all illegals are worthless and are better off dead or whatever. The fact of the matter is that when you operate outside the limits of the law, you must be responsible for the consequences of your actions. This applies to working under a false history or identity and working under the influence of drugs. This man was doing both.

actually, there are quite a few posts in this thread suggesting he either be shot dead or left for dead with no medical care

and you folks talking about the guy being drugged up on the job. sheesh. how many people have gone to work after hitting a joint the evening before ...

/instead of leaving the country like some have suggested i think i'll simply try and use my voice and vote to make the country better

Never did drugs before work, ever.

DIAF

almafuerte: StoneColdAtheist: I agree that what's fair is fair. In that vein I presume that your would agree that Argentina should renounce its claims to Antarctica, the Southern Patagonia Ice Fields, the Falklands and other South Atlantic Islands...right?

What?

The Patagonia, the Islas Malvinas (Falklands) and our claims of part of Antarctica are legit. All of them are part of our territory, and all Islands claimed are geologically part of our territory.

We were the first ones to live in those territories.

Okay, now that I have your attention, let's have a civil discussion...shall we?

You say the the USA "stole" the entire southwest from Mexico, so let's look at the facts. By 1830 Mexico had a mere 3500 citizens in the entire colony of Texas, while there were more than 40,000 "Anglos" (English speaking Texans). Mexico ruled Texas under "taxation without representation", which led to those people declaring their independence in 1836, and Texas was a independent Republic for 9 years before joining the USA. Therefore, modern Mexican claims that the USA "stole" Texas are just bullshiat.

Likewise with California. By 1850 there were less than 15,000 Mexicans and Spaniards in California, and more than 90,000 Anglos (plus Indigenos). Mexico could not and would not establish rule of law in the territory and the population took matters into their own hands by declaring independence. Like Texas, California was also an independent Republic until joining the USA.

Now, let's talk about the Falklands...

almafuerte
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If you will remember, the USA buys out corrupt politicians to get whatever they want out of other countries.
/If you get anything out of another country through bribes, and specially from the military, without approval from a democratically elected congress, it's illegal and not legit.

Whooops, then someone needs to get his arse out of Argentina and back to Spain because sure as shiat there wasn't a democratically elected congress in Spain when its military started conquering the people of South America.

Most of Latin Americans are direct descendants of Native Americans. The only almost total eradication happened in North America.
Latin American blood can be tracked 10.000 years back in this land.

I wasn't talking about total eradication. Your lame argument was that if the actions were "not approved by a democratically elected congress than they were illegal and not legit". Your words. So that makes the country of Argentina, as well as every other country in South America, illegal and not legit since there was no democratically elected congress when Spain started land grabbing in South America.


Regardless of that fact, you are comparing something that happened 5 centuries ago with something the US did very recently.

And the US-Mexican War was 162 years ago. Hardly "very recently". The US won land, Mexico lost land, shiat happens.

Scorched Colon: And the US-Mexican War was 162 years ago. Hardly "very recently". The US won land, Mexico lost land, shiat happens.

Within the course of the history of the universe, just an instant of time. Memories do not fade and they continue in our blood.

natas6.0: If mexico knew what to do with it's people and land, I don't think we would mind the migration as much.

But when our hospitals are shutting down, gangs are murdering indiscriminately, welfare fraud, rampant tuberculosis, schools are being packed with people who refuse to learn the language, the drug trade is absolutely out of control, border towns are a battle front....

yea, my sympathy lies elsewhere.

Too bad. At least our president realizes we are just one nation on this world. We should start with his global poverty initiative. Is just 1.5% of GDP so much to ask, to help out immigrants like Victor Leon?

Also, what about the people on whose roof he fell from? They have a responsibility not to hire companies that won't take care of their employees. They should suffer from hiring someone who refuses to do what's right and not just what's profitable.

rewind2846: TheMiddleFinger:
apples and oranges.
Illegals are hurting the economy and changing the culture. Please feel free to leave the country, if we embarrass you so much.(psssst take some illegals with you)

Hurting the economy? No more than any other group of poor, uneducated people would to a wealthy and relatively well-educated populace.

Changing the culture? Good. I happen to like change. Whitebread is so last week.

You will be dealt with.

As a work comp attorney I can tell you his being illegal would be no obstacle to his getting any benefits, at least in my state.

/system is farked up
//if you knew the amount of fraud in the comp system you would be outraged

Remove all Republicans: Also, what about the people on whose roof he fell from? They have a responsibility not to hire companies that won't take care of their employees. They should suffer from hiring someone who refuses to do what's right and not just what's profitable.

How the hell did would the homeowner know? Dial a number, get a quote, hire the one who doesn't look like they'll screw you over. Are you implying they should do a background check?

stiletto_the_wise: Here come all the squawkers who won the birth lottery and want to keep everyone else out..

How did you get off my ignore list? Oh well, I'll fix that right now...

Sword and Shield: Remove all Republicans: Also, what about the people on whose roof he fell from? They have a responsibility not to hire companies that won't take care of their employees. They should suffer from hiring someone who refuses to do what's right and not just what's profitable.

How the hell did would the homeowner know? Dial a number, get a quote, hire the one who doesn't look like they'll screw you over. Are you implying they should do a background check?

Why not? Someone needs to be responsible and today, the government can't afford it.

Looks like you illegal alien huggers are way out numbered on this one!

He is a drug addict and he has used fraudulent I.D. to gain employment illegally.

He, and his brother should be deported immediately.

I have no sympathy for him or any illegal alien in the same situation.

/Viva La Migra

Simple...if you pay taxes, your a farking citizen.

you_idiot: Simple...if you pay taxes, your a farking citizen.

They pay sales taxes, so I think it's clear.

phunkey_monkey: I have no sympathy for him or any illegal alien in the same situation.



Immigrants are immigrants. Instead of worrying about minor distinctions, we should be banding together and trying to figure out new government programs to solve this problem.