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(SacBee)   If you're going to steal a van, don't take one used by a judo team. Hilarity ensues   ( divider line
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2003-02-07 09:36:44 AM  
The club's instructor, Nestor Bustillo, said the students punched Hogan, then held him "like a pretzel on the ground" until police arrived.

"Like a pretzel on the ground".

I wonder if that's anything like "a candle in the wind"?
2003-02-07 09:37:23 AM  
I sewar it wasn't anyone I know!
2003-02-07 09:37:45 AM  
Follow up?

Hell, I thought this was an urban legend.
2003-02-07 09:38:07 AM  
Er, um, I'll swear on it, too!
2003-02-07 09:38:13 AM  
old news again
2003-02-07 09:42:27 AM  
Judo Rocks.

I used to train under this guy:
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PHIL TAKAHASHI (doing his trademark tai-otoshiathrow -- That's a french guy about to surrender)
2003-02-07 09:46:24 AM  

Yes, because he's dead.

Why do all the martial arts morons feel the urge to tell everyone their belt and who they trained under? As if anyone really knows their teacher, and it matters that they are a black belt...they'll still get their ass handed to them in a street brawl.
2003-02-07 09:50:26 AM  
Black belts are handed out to whomever can pay for them. 10 year old suburban kids who get winded running around the block have them.

The martial arts have been soccer mommed.
2003-02-07 09:55:11 AM  
2003-02-07 09:56:18 AM  
Black belts are handed out to whomever can pay for them. 10 year old suburban kids who get winded running around the block have them.

Not in Judo. (at least not any clubs I've seen)

You cannot get a black-belt before your 16. and they have two criteria over and above a formal grading, months/years of training between belts (at the Dan level, it is years) or points acheived in tournament.

Black belt grading in Judo is done in front of a panel of "elders" and is usually only done once a year. you have to travel to what-ever club is hosting the commitee, and it usually includes a training "boot-camp".
2003-02-07 10:02:04 AM  

I attended KungFu U and trained under the great WonHungLo.
2003-02-07 10:09:41 AM  
Canuckguy - Same with my karate club - I trained for about 12 years until I was allowed to grade for my black belt, and no one under 16 can grade at my club either. In fact, apart from the tournament criteria (our club doesn't put heavy emphasis on tournaments), it's pretty much the same thing for us. Training boot camp usually runs about 5 nights a week, for 3 hours, maybe... plus any special events that happen at the club, and being a teaching assistant in classes and such.
2003-02-07 10:10:24 AM  
I wish you were right CanuckGuy.

Truth is, you can go into any number of mini malls and get a black belt in Judo in about a year, at 10 years old.

I have these little fat bastards in my neighborhood who think they are Bruce Lee now because they've taken this path. Their parents are so proud too.

Sad but true.

Getting a black belt has become like getting your tv repair degree at home in your spare time.
2003-02-07 10:14:36 AM  

I attended Eat M'Kak Culinary Institute--combining Tiger Style, Dawg Style and American Fusion cooking.

MY instructor can beat up/outcook YOUR instructor any day.
2003-02-07 10:17:26 AM  
Scarneck - I put it to you then that any of those kids are not 'real' black belts then. To quote an old movie:
"Karate here, *gestures to head*, karate here *gestures to heart*, karate never here *gesturing to belt*"
2003-02-07 10:18:42 AM  
I have a similar story that happened to my instructor. He and four of his classmates were headed to a pretty big regional tournament in a van, and some guys on the road started messing with them, trying to piss em off. Eventually they did this move that forced the van off the road. Needless to say the karate guys were pretty pissed. Then these two plicks decided to pull over, jump out of their car and try to start something. The first one there grabbed my instructor and recieved the ever popular kick to the groin/punch in the throat combo that dropped him like a stone. The other guy ran around to the other side of the van only to find one of the other guys hopping out with a big ass katana yelling "YAAAA!" After wetting himself, the guy, ran back, grabbed his buddy, and they tore back to their car and ran for it.
Sad thing is there are a lot of American karate studios out there, most of which (not all) suck, and hand out blackbelts for $100. However, once in a while, the blackbelt really can hand out a whuppin'. And it's always funny when someone tries something with them.
2003-02-07 10:19:49 AM  
etting a black belt has become like getting your tv repair degree at home in your spare time.

Sadly, this is true in many US "dojos" -- especially in Tae Kwon Do. It's saddening to see an activity that espouses discipline and a strong work ethic ruined by such institutions. Were I a black belt, I would be insulted by such programs.
2003-02-07 10:21:58 AM  
Since Karate means "empty hand", was he saying, "Never put an empty hand down by your belt or kittens die."?
2003-02-07 10:25:01 AM  
If you don't end up learning respect, discipline, integrity and a strong work ethic, then it's not the type of martial arts school you want to go to... I too can't stand those fly-by-night 'dojos' that give away belts like candy.
2003-02-07 10:29:55 AM  
Belts get handed out? Not where i train, it's just that alot of yanky schools are mass production money earners, I do the original style of Tang soo do, so not the american adaption, and we work farking hard for our belts and it takes a minimum of 5.5 years to get black.

On another not I used to do Judo and was a blue belt after 8 years. Judo upgrading takes a hell of a lot longer. As I am now a Blue belt Tang soo do after 3 years.
2003-02-07 10:30:11 AM  
Scarneck Well, I guess it pays to actually find out who you're training under. Judo Canada is very strict about their member clubs. Those mini-mall clubs are doing everybody a dis-service.

OBB The tournament thing is that Judo, almost from its inseption, has been a sport as much as it has an art.
The thinking behind that extended from a belief that simply learning Kata techniques wasn't going to make you a fighter. Randori, or "free practice" was a way of testing your real-life skills against an opponent. That extended out to tournaments. Not all judo techniques are allowed (standing or flying arm-locks, strikes) as the point of tournament fighting is not to beat the snot out of your opponent, but to best him with skill.
2003-02-07 10:30:53 AM  
Ouch... is it just me or does 11 years in prison seem more than a bit harsh? Some murderers get off wth less...
2003-02-07 10:31:11 AM  
Definitely don't use the FLORIDA tag for this, O my no. That just wouldn't do.
2003-02-07 10:38:48 AM  
I wonder if they shaved his balls after holding him down.

Sorry.. hadda do it.

Read my old MA faq at:

Might prove funny for the MA enthusiasts in here.
2003-02-07 10:40:19 AM  
Black belts are handed out to whomever can pay for them. 10 year old suburban kids who get winded running around the block have them.

Unfortunatly, there's been a large number of Tae Kwon Do McDojo's popping up, letting kids as young as 4 in classes. It makes me sick, I've been training in Judo 4 years and I'm only a brown belt.
2003-02-07 10:46:03 AM  
Kyoki's (aka Ghostwheel) Top Ten Signs you're in a McDojo

10. You instructor has a Grandmasters Certificate. In Crayon.

9. The Senior Assistant Instructor is a 4 year old black belt.

8. The sign in the window says the school trains in more than 10 martial arts.

7. Its a Korean art. {g}

6. Your instructor tries to sell you Amway products.

5. While examining the schools tournament trophies, you find 3 for spelling bees.

4. Reading the contract for the school is considered a kata (and a long one at that).

3. No one sweats.

2. While at a tournament, your opponent finds out who your teacher is and high-fives his teacher.

1. When paying for your belt examinations, the instructor asks: "Do you want fries with that?"
2003-02-07 10:54:36 AM  
Karate.... hmmmm not flowing to stiff. Albiet someone trained in it for several years will have an upper hand. But a lot of the moves are impractical and a was of energy. I study Wing Chun and have sparred with several Karate practitioners of higher belts than me, and it seems that there is always, you do this move then this move then this and then this. You'd be suprised when you throw something they are'nt prepared for. Unfortunately in a real street fight the opponent is not going to willfully do this then this and then do this so you can do this that and that other thing.

But then again I'm wasting my time on Fark telling you all this... I'm not saying my style is better or worse than another. Just my point of view. I've take Karate for a little while and was most unimpressed. The whole breaking boards thing... lame.

And all this non-sense about belts. You could be a black belt for all I care, and still suck at a Martial Art. It is your skill as an artist, not your belt that determines everything. I've seen Karate Blackbelts being taken down by orange belts!!! Bah, arguing on the internet is like.......
2003-02-07 10:56:24 AM  
Just to be clear. I mean no disrespect to those who have worked hard and trained for years to earn their status in martial arts.

One of the biggest failures in our society is the "everybody wins" philosophy that rewards participants, instead of achievers.

It's similar to my BS degree in Business Administration being seen as equal to the 18 month Bus Ad degree offered at a "school" in a strip mall.
2003-02-07 11:00:45 AM  
I agree Scarneck, upon reading my post I sound like I'm slamming Karate. I wasn't trying to. Mostly trying to get my point that Karate is a very stiff and ridged style, which can easly be used against that person.

But if it centers you and you enjoy it then by all means continue on. But don't just stop there, unless your bound by laws of tradition. You must flow with your enemy, be one as there is no I.....

oh what were we talking about OHHHH thats right Judo team kickin some arse. Lol long live FARK.
2003-02-07 11:06:54 AM  
karate can be a stiff and rigid style, but there's more than one style of karate, and there are even styles of karate that are softer and more flowing then some taiji styles. There's always an exception to the rule.
2003-02-07 11:15:37 AM  
What type of belt do you have?

Brown belt. J.C. Penny, 3.98.
2003-02-07 11:16:08 AM  
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2003-02-07 11:18:35 AM  
I have been training in various martial arts styles about my whole life, starting when my father (who was a black belt and former marine recon veteran) had me practicing how to fall properly to avoid injury. I went through judo, karate, kickboxing, tae kwon do and jui jitsu before settling into wing tsun kung fu and escrima about ten years ago.

My take on the martial arts is that it provides great discipline both mentally and physically, teaches a person humility (always a bigger, badder fish in the sea), and lastly a means not to become a victim. Unfortunately, more times than not martial arts are taught by morons who are out to make a buck and to make a name for themselves. Assembly line approaches to teaching students usually leads to false confidence and results in making them more dangerous to themselves rather than their opponents. Also, most tournament-based schools teach bad habits such as pulling punches, not following through with various strikes and finishing moves. Very dangerous from a self defense standpoint.

Personally, I think it is great for kids to train for the tournaments and such. But I have found that as I have gotten older I am most interested in what is going to work in a self defense situation while under extreme stress and with the least amount of thought/effort/wasted motion. I advocate training the same way you will have to fight/defend yourself to properly understand and deal with the dynamics of self defense. This can be the difference between being able to walk out of a dangerouos situation and becoming a victim.

If you have a minute this is a good read:

Martial arts are like clothes: some fit you just right and some just don't fit you at all. And in martial arts, just like Bruce Lee said, less is more.

Sorry for babbling.
2003-02-07 11:20:51 AM  
2003-02-07 11:34:24 AM  
At least it wasn't... Ninjas
2003-02-07 11:39:01 AM  
Bobneilous: Good point. Although I want to state again I wasn't knocking Karate, as this does work for some people. More over you hit it on the dot when you said it teaches humility and basically everything else you said.

*reminds himself hes at work and rushes back to do um.. work.
2003-02-07 11:40:31 AM  
Sorry, couple more things:

Being a black belt means nothing more than having learned the basics. In Okinawa where my father trained everyone got a white belt, but after many years through training and sweat it would finally turn black. To be a master may take a lifetime of diligent practice. My Sifu is probably the most dangerous man I have ever faced in my life and has trained at this particular style and other martial arts his whole life, but he will also be the first to tell you that he has not mastered everything. And he'll drink a beer with you too. Hell of a great guy!

Secondly, you can learn all the techniques and moves you want but if you master none they will never work. Whereas if you know one or two you are in much better shape. One of the first things I learned in wing tsun was simple chain punches. Very simple. But if you do 1000 to 5000 a day you have a very effective way of defending yourself against 80-90% of any street encounter. Especially if you are in panic mode (not bragging but it has helped me in quite a few bar brawls, full contact fighting, etc...) Less is more.

Rambling again, I know. But just sharing a thought or two.
2003-02-07 11:41:44 AM  
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2003-02-07 11:50:46 AM  
Again Bob you hit it on the mark.

You study Wing Chun, as do I. What part of the world do you reside? LA, California here.
2003-02-07 11:51:16 AM  
Bobneilious: funny thing about techniques I've experienced is that I love to learn new ones, but if I'm in a testing situation, or my instructor just suddenly attacks, one technique happens all by itself. While I technically know like 10 different wrist grab defences, the one I like best always comes out immediately. I love learning more about every kind of defense, because it's fascinating to me, but the technique I I liked, or trained the most, always comes out when I need it.
2003-02-07 11:51:39 AM  
NM i just found out, lol dang link....
2003-02-07 12:02:36 PM  
Chi Sau rules .... hehehehe
2003-02-07 12:09:20 PM  

Montrose, CO. Lived up in Alaska for 14 years or so. That is where I picked up on this. Still haven't figured out why I moved here but it's all good. I have to drive 130 miles three days a week to Grand Junction and back just to train. My partner runs classes there (I help teach and helped open a couple of schools in Anchorage area but I'd rather just learn/spar).

Ethyachk: There you go! I love to learn new things in my particular system also, and please don't get me wrong about my previous posts. I have found through my particular experiences that it is the things that you practice day in and out will happen reflexively without forethought. It really takes discipline to do the seemingly boring technique day in/day out, and not a lot of people can handle that monotony, but the result is that it becomes a part of you.

10x repetitions=learning
100x repetitions=knowing
10000x repetitions=mastering

/um, must work...must work...must work..
2003-02-07 12:11:42 PM  
The best weapon against a carjacker is your CAR. Just roll over the Farker.
2003-02-07 12:22:35 PM  
Well, I agree that Tae Kwon Do gives out black belts too easily. One of my friends got one in a year. However, most other martial arts still take years of practice. Another friend studies Shaolin 5 animal style, and it takes at least 6 years to become a black belt. There's a Karate school around here that tells you it takes at least 15 years to reach black belt.

I did Hap Kido for about 3 years, and it's a good system. Not so good for fighting, but for defense. Teaches you how to fall without injuring yourself, how to get out of many grips, defense, even some weapons. Now I study Tai Chi, no belts there but I feel great.

Now, most "traditional" martial arts are almost useless in street fighting when you compare them to the new, street oriented martial arts, like Krav Maga, or some Kenpo styles...
2003-02-07 12:27:52 PM  
I agree continued practice takes a lot of discipline. And sparring/ learning is where I am at. Although someday I do wish to teach, but to teach effectively I need to study and practice everyday. Unfortunately everyone in my school with the exception of one-two people wish to practice on a daily basis. I've still got a while till I can work on the Mook but I can't wait as have no one to practice with other than school is a little frustrating.
2003-02-07 12:36:37 PM  

Reminds me of an episode of the old cop show Hill Street Blues. The cops were hanging out drinking in their favorite bar (full of off-duty officers), when these two thugs come crashing in with guns drawn announcing a robbery in progress.

What they got in response was the sound of 100 hammers being cocked on 100 pistols.

2003-02-07 12:40:47 PM  
2003-02-07 12:49:48 PM  
I think that good old amatuer wrestling (real wrestling) can be just as effective as martial arts too.
2003-02-07 12:57:34 PM  
Scarneck I agree, only when your on the ground. Once your on the ground, it becomes force against force, thats a whole different ball game. You should be able to avoid this (thats the ultimate goal). I've sparred against some grappelers and boy are they tough, trick is not letting them get a hold of any limbs... with quality comes speed... not speed before quality.
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